This is great timing, after being stuck as one of the most popular AUR packages for months, only being beat by AUR helpers it seems Hyprland has finally been elevated into the community repo
I've been keeping wayland sort of in my peripheral vision, looking forward to ditching xorg at some point when it isn't painful to do so, definitely will consider Hyprland.
Do you know if it works on Nvidia gpu's, I've been using KDE with Wayland, it works great especially for gaming except for artefacts left behind for about 700ms after mouse cursor movement. I do prefer dynamic tiling Window managers though.
Your issue with numpad and global hotkeys might actually be a more widespread problem than either hyperland or OBS. Ive had a problem when running KDE under wayland and there is this obnoxious issue while using khotkeys. When trying to register keys the numpad ALWAYS shows up as regular number keys. Ive tried changing keyboard layout, numpad legacy codes, etc and nothing manages to distinguish the numpad keys from regular numbers. This is NOT an issue under kwin running xorg as I had numpad stuff bound for years. I have a feeling that this is an issue that is rooted a bit deeper than just an individual compositor or program
@@livb4139 absolutely. There have been quite a few config options that got changed or deprecated over time, and I have a couple scripts that rely on counting lines from hyprctl output which break anytime vaxry adds a new entry. Thankfully that has gotten less common as the project matures.
Seems like Hyprland has made some big progress! I've been using i3-wm on my main system for a while now and configured it perfectly to my liking. However, just the sane configuration/scripting alone of Hyprland makes me want to give it a try. It will probably take some time until I will actually take the time to "rewrite" my i3 config to Hyprland as I'm lazy and my current setup fits my needs fine. But If I'm ever in the mood for a change or if I really need wayland on my main system, Hyprland is probably going to be my choice. Thanks for bringing it to my attention again!
You probably already know this but brave can run native Wayland. You just have to change the ozone setting either by using a flag or going into the brave options and changing it to Wayland. Also, I've been using hyprland for more than a month now and it works great.
If you use auto as the flag instead of Wayland, it will automatically choose the correct one, so if you decide to go back into xorg for something, it won't have issues.
When you talked about switching from AwesomeWM in the april fools video, this or Sway was exactly what I was expecting. Welcome to the gang, this is the way(land).
I've been running Hyprland full-time for about the past month and I love it. I switched from GNOME and haven't looked back. I've tried other X tiling window managers and wayland compositors, but the eye-candy and animations make anything else way less fun to use. And I know Wayfire has even more animations and effects, but I like Hyprland's subtle effects, not Wayfire's compiz-like effects.
Convenient timing for a video. I just installed hyprland 2 days ago but haven't had much of a chance to mess around with it yet. Looking forward to ricing it.
I also started using HL/Waybar about 2 weeks ago. Coming from awesomewm. I am pretty impressed. There are a lot of things I like about it over awesome and so far, I haven't run into any issues that interrupt my workflow. Currently it is running at home on my regular use dell laptop, and at work on an older HP laptop. Both are doing well so I'm thinking this weekend I will take the plunge and put it on my main home desktop where I do my power work. Gotta say, for a project so young, I am especially impressed with the simplicity of the configuration as well as the HL wiki (documentation). It takes me a minimal amount of time to learn what needs to be done to get it to do what I need it to do. It seems this project as a bright future.
I've been daily driving hyprland since version 0.13 iirc and other than some minor quirks with xwayland and the -git version it has been really stable and nice to use. Glad to see it getting enough praise to be recommended over sway.
@@Semperverus0 show me smooth 3-finger desktop dragging, then we'll talk. (but also, I've usually found kde to break in annoying ways, particularly with Wayland and tiling)
Hyprland is based as hell. I love it and it was the main reason that I switched from Void to Fedora because I couldn't get Hyprland working on Void. So I switched. Hyprland is beautiful and I enjoy it thoroughly. Great video. Cheers!
Dang! This week I'm preparing to finally move from Manjaro i3 to Arch+Sway, and was giddy about having the same setup as Brodie. And here he is moving to Hyperland! I'm gonna try Sway first, as I'm extremely familiar with i3 and don't really need animations, rounded corners, etc. Still, I'm excited to see how Brodie's experiment progresses!
here a suggestion, try a fork of sway called swayfx, its in a fast development and its making sway more confortable and prettier, its as stable as sway and no headaches it doesnt have animations yet but it will be in development soon
@@luizansounds thanks for the tip, will be looking at that. I just finished ricing up for the first time from vanilla arch my sway setup (coming from Manjaro and archcraft with i3) and after seeing this video I really want to do the same with hyprland but man it took me almost a whole week to install and rice vanilla arch with sway that I don't really wanna ditch it for just cool animations haha
I daily drive Wayland with KDE for maybe a year now and 99% of the things I need are working. There are occasional bugs with menus and launchers acting weird, and the screenshot tool can get buggy if you want to copy and paste only screen areas, but for the most part I like the daily experience of using it and I am only one logoff away to going into X11.
Dragging files from Dolphin into Thunderbird on Plasma Wayland works fine for me. I tested with other XWayland apps and there is no problem with dragging.
@@angelsegarra Yeah, but since it was mentioned that this is Wayland issue and present also on KDE, I wanted to say that if it was a problem, it is not anymore. With the newest releases, it works as it should.
I tried out Hyprland this past weekend, but I couldn't stick with it. There was two issues for me, although to be fair, I don't think the problems were unique to Hyprland, I think it was just a Wayland issue. The first is I get "ghosts". Basically when I close a window it'll still be on the screen until something prompts a redraw. Basically think I open a terminal and neofetch runs, I close the terminal and I can still see a hazy (think the background blur from a semi-transparent window) image of what was in the terminal until I move my cursor over it a bit and the screen redraws. There is also a bit of an issue with context menus, at least in browse, will just be a black square till I mouse over them. That isn't too bad, and not my other main issue. The other main issue is I can't set my screens to their refresh rate. I have 3 monitors, and if I try to set them to their highest support refresh rate (120Hz), Hyprland just gives me a blank screen. I can hear sound, so its running, but there is no output. The thing is the same thing happens on Plasma under Wayland, except worse because Plasma ends up locking up my entire system and I have to hard power down my PC to recover. After some experimenting, I learned that I could set my main monitor, my higher end one, to 98 Hz and it works just fine (under both Hyprland and Plasma in Wayland). Unforutnately my two side monitors don't support that refresh rate, they just jump from 60 Hz to 120 Hz. Now I'm almost certain I know this issue. 98 Hz is the highest refresh rate that DisplayPort 1.3 supports 10-bit color. Under Windows going above that refresh rate gets you 8bit with dithering to approximate 10-bit color. The thing is I wasn't specifying 10 bit color depth in Hyprland, and Plasma will try to use it, but once I found that out I explicitly disabled it, but it still wouldn't work. If I had to guess these are Nvidia issues (yes, yes, boo, hiss, but frankly I like my RTX 4090, I want power), I'm just not sure how to solve them, if they even can be by me. The ghosting issue wasn't really that bad. I could of used the system just fine like that, but the refresh rate issue is just not acceptable.
*Small goof on the Patreon part at the end. Your taking up Hyprland really piques my interest in it. I have mostly been using KDE with a little Cinnamon and have been tempted by all the available tiling window managers so I think Hyprland is next on my plate to try out. 👍
I've been using Hyprland for about 2 weeks now. I came from KDE (I wanted to check if I can still live in an Desktop Environment after daily driving Awesome for so long) and have to admit... Hyprland is exactly what I wanted. You have been saying that Awesome is too comfy of an Window Manager - I say the same thing about Hyprland. I still have Awesome installed just in case, but I rarely use it. Heck, I haven't even set it up since reinstalling Arch. xD
I left Xorg because Wayland was less yanky from day to day. Had a failure of character somewhere around the end of last summer where I went back and faffed about with spectrwm because picom version 9 had dropped oh man it was a reminder on stuff like keyboard layouts being ass on X. Good to hear your issues have mostly been resolved :)
Been daily driving Hyprland since February & been loving it, though the small inconveniences like the file manager not working with drag & drop is annoying. Its one of the tradeoffs I guess
2 things I still do with Xorg. I use x11vnc to see the same screen as my kids do from my phone. Last I tried with wayland it didn't work so well with VNC. I could give VNC with wayland a new try but I could not get it working at all in the wayland login (gdm,lightdm,kdm). I want it at the login screen and at the desktop. Even with it enabled in Gnome it seemed sluggish compared to x11vnc. I use x2go and can have a desktop on my remote machine to myself even with another user logged in. So about the only things holding me back is VNC (to the same desktop) and multiuser desktops remotely with x2go or xrdp or something similar haven't heard of something like these for wayland yet. Let me know if you use anything like that or have seen anything like that.
one of the most annoying problems i got on wayland is the lack of an option to redock panels on qt apps, some include a workaround like libreoffice which has an option to redock panels with ctrl+shift+f10 and gnu octave gui, but others like qgis do not have such option.
I can't be the only one who's brain shoots to Alien whenever someone talks about Wayland, I know it's Weyland in the series. There has to be some kind of Yutani project to go with it by now.
Nice to see a fellow ff14 player I myself haven't ran into this issue on KDE Wayland when playing but then again I use a controller so perhaps the bug is something to do with input? Just a thought overall sadly I do still have to switch back to xorg occasionally because I use KDE connect to pipe through the Voice keyboard from my phone to the computer so I can type quickly can't do this on Wayland as of the posting of this video been trying to get it reported and dealt with but I keep getting bounced around the bug tracker anyone here in the comment section willing to help would have my thanks for solving a huge pain point in terms of accessibility enjoy your experiment Broddie hopefully this piece of information is helpful in some way
On the wiki it has a page on some extra steps to do to setup for Nvidia. I have been using it on Nvidia myself and have found no issues so far. Though it's only been 2 days.
@@lucas7061 Is this with Nouveau of Proprietary NVIDIA? On KDE + Wayland + NVIDIA proprietary driver I'm having a lot of graphical glitches on various applications and it appears to be related to that xwayland Glamor bug which seems to be fixed by a proper implementation of explicit sync which seems to be forever away. I'd like to know about your environment!
Whats holding me back from Hyprland is the fact that I really like my swaybar with i3status-rust. I havent found an alternative for a bar that supports the i3status protocol.
I haven't tried Wayland, I know that it is supposed to be better for local use (I don't need XDCP, etc.). Can I fire up a wayland session from GDM? i.e. have Xorg and Wayland installed at the same time? (Distro = Arch Linux)
Flashing? just saw your flashing loighting (the white wall :D I am glad also you found a wayland DE/WM which may be for your Future use. Mabe now "only" something like XCFE ist Lacking in the wayland space (for the kind of complete start.)
When you came to the point where you talked about the terminal having focus and then pressed the OBS hotkey RU-vid immediately threw an ad for lingerie in my face.... So I guess it works ok-ish?😂
So how is this set up working for you in terms of gaming - there's still big incompatibility issues between Wayland and nVidia, correct? Or are you an AMD user?
I have been playing with hyprland too. I am waiting for a machine to arrive but will likely really be giving it a further shot and making a video then.
Nice to find another FF14 player in the wild. I guess I cannot say I've had the same Camera issue as you, but I also was on Wayland until the 7900XTX stack (Kernel + LLVM + Mesa) matured to go back to X11. I have seen random game crashes on both Wayland + X11 and I prefer the way X11 handles a WINE crash: It simply restarts the DE on a clean slate. Wayland I have to forcibly reboot which is annoying.
My AMD GPU ('s hdmi output) broke for a while and I'm forced to use windows for a while I miss using Hyprland, I still press my binds in windows every now and then hoping they'll work, muscle memory is giving me hell.
I was struggling with getting my numpad to work awhile back as well, and could not find anything documented. I eventually stumbled on the solution though! Here's my config for changing workspaces using the numpad: bind = SUPER, KP_End, workspace, 1 bind = SUPER, KP_Down, workspace, 2 bind = SUPER, KP_Next, workspace, 3 bind = SUPER, KP_Left, workspace, 4 bind = SUPER, KP_Begin, workspace, 5 bind = SUPER, KP_Right, workspace, 6 bind = SUPER, KP_Home, workspace, 7 bind = SUPER, KP_Up, workspace, 8 bind = SUPER, KP_Prior, workspace, 9 bind = SUPER, KP_Insert, workspace, 10 This works regardless of if NumLock is on or off.
In regards to that camera issue in FF14... I had that issue as well for a long time, which was the biggest reason I didn't want to switch to Wayland just yet. The only information I could find in regards to that issue was something mentioning that something in XWayland was (indirectly) causing it. So a few days after I heard the news that Wine had native Wayland support, I tried out Sway, to see if that actually fixed it. The issue was no longer present for me, but in hindsight, I'm not sure why. After all, I'm using XIVLauncher with its own managed version of Wine, which hasn't been updated in a couple of months, as far as I can see. For added information, during the time where I noticed this issue in Wayland I had only tried Hyprland and Plasma, but not Sway. And now I've only used Sway (so far). *Maybe* something to look at. Also, using gamescope wasn't really viable for me. I remember it having some issues of its own, that I just found annoying. Most prominently sound playing in background, even with background audio turned off in Final Fantasy.
I just switched my main from Fedora + SwayWM/AwesomeWM to Arch + Hyprland. It’s so good but does still have a couple issues, still very usable though. I absolutely love it and much easier to configure than AwesomeWM
I would love to use Wayland daily, but I use jetbrains IDE's and they are very buggy on Wayland. So I have to stick with Xorg. I think it's something with jdk implementation (I think jetbrains IDE's are build in Java), but I'm not really sure.
i daily drive a fork of sway called swayfx because it can mimic picom shadow on xorg. i've used hyprland but i found sway much much easier to setup + swaybar and i3status are much easier to setup than other statusbars, although i still quite liked hyprland
I don't understand why you find automatic tiling wm more productive than manual ones, most of the time I personally don't want to follow a pre established layout, sometimes I may just want 2 horizontal windows but most of the time it's on the go depending on the tasks. sometimes 4 windows but divided in 2 groups of 2 tabs with one of them stacked, sometime 2 browser + 2 devtools + 1 editor in a non standard manner etc
Hi ! I also test hyprland but i have a problem with lf file manager preview -> it doesnt work ! Do you also test lf with hyprland and have a solution for that ?
On KDE, Steam ignores the lat selection, regardless of whether you allow it to remember it next time. Can be an issue with old configs, dunno. But it happens to me. Just wanted to vent that. It doesn't even work right after you select the screen on Polaris. Output is all corrupted. Oh well, growing pains. Still love this.
15:17 It seems that something is missing.... I've been using hyprland to work as a dev on nixos, it is alright by far since I mostly use terminal emulators. Using xwayland ease my programs usage too!
I tried it some time ago and it worked well for such an actively developed compositor. Could get used to it if I was forced to stop using sxhkd and bspwm at gunpoint.
I'm forced to run X11 (XOrg) because I have an NVIDIA card running the proprietary drivers. I know I could run open source Nouveau for Wayland, but a lot of the apps I run require the proprietary drivers. I run i3WM and I've bee quite happy with it for several years.
I'm on Alpine LTS and can't compile it yet. But looks nice. I have no problems with sway at all and understand its configuration well, but I don't do streaming. I have now installed a frame buffer greeter that lets me switch the desktop and when Hyprland works I can switch there to test it. I use waybar as sway bar but eww look nice as replacement and it can do widgets? It works but it's to early to replace waybar yet, because there is no application tray and it's missing a 'prevent screen locking' button.
I'm using Wayland on my new ThinkPad with KDE Plasma. It's mostly working fine. But, shut downs that aren't done from the login screen have a stop job that SystemD needs to kill after 1m30s. Also, for some reason the font size in Alacritty is very big when logging in with X11 instead of Wayland.
I've used Sway in the past, but tbh until these sorts of issues in Wayland are fixed I'm gonna stay on Xorg / i3. I play PvP on GW2, I can't afford for my camera to be doing wonky shit, although you mentioned workarounds, I just don't feel like it's feature complete enough for me to move over. I look forward to the day it is though.
If you are using Arch Linux, the AUR has a Hyprland package patched to work with NVIDIA. If you are using something else, you should still be able to clone the repo, patch the sources with the patch used in the AUR package and manually compile it.
@@zekrinealfa1113 Oh well, gonna try it, on the vanilla hyprland without patches tjere is 2 problems(GTX 1050 ti): 1. When i open a window, the cursor disappear 2. When the screen changes fast, ex: Typing on a terminal, the screen flickers, these problems happen on all wlroots compositors
@@brunothedev On the hyprland wiki there is a section dedicated to using it on Nvidia. One of the things mentioned there is how to solve the flicker issue. You just have to set some environment variables on the config file.
Wayland still acting weird on Kubuntu 22.10 with Plasma 5.27.3. Taskbar sometimes disappears and icons on it too. Or minimize and maximized high lighted when I click on Konsole or Dolphin. Maybe 5.27.4 fixed it. I don't know, I don't use WM's.
Using Gnome under Wayland personally. I really want to try Hyprland, but since I'm on Fedora and using a more outlandish hardware combo (6600xt for everything it can do, 2070s for nvenc) prevents me from trying
@@BrodieRobertson really happy in river (I love tags over workspaces, and river feels incredibly snappy), but the blur is really tempting... maybe I still have a hyprland config somewhere
I've been using hyprland for about 2 months and I really like it. Specially because some games now run smooth compared to xorg wms. The only problem now is that I can't really play Osu!Taiko on wayland since "every frame needs to be perfect" and it adds a very noticeable amount of input lag, so rhythm games are a no.
@@speedytruck vsync kind of inherently has more latency than without vsync, yes there is screen tearing but you get the graphics immediately rather than waiting for the next frame to display it. It makes a difference especially once you get better at whatever game you are playing and switch from one to the other
@@speedytruck maybe you are better to adapt to input lag, but may I ask you what diff you used to play? On taiko I play at 6-7 star, and it's common to have around 13 keystrokes or more per second, and input lag is very noticeable specially with high OD maps.
The thing that Sway is really really missing for me is the ability to magnify (and then also unmagnify) the screen (a la s-S-= on windoze). I've been dailydriving Sway for over a year now, but I really miss being able to zoom in and out, and that alone has been making me look into moving to a different WM (there's a 3.5 year old issue about it, but there's been no activity in it in the past 6 months, and I can't impl it myself currently)
I find sway to be a bit simpler to use and understand but it seems like hyprland is more featureful, so there's a bit of a tradeoff. I will most likely switch to hyorland when I have some free time to read through the docs and understand how it is configured.
Honestly what I run is a mess.... I run gnome on Wayland, KDE on xorg on my desktop and on my laptop I run KDE on Wayland... Both of my systems run arch, they both have Nvidia GPU'S but my laptop also has an Intel IGPU. My desktop had a overkill Ryzen processor. And yes "kde-wayland-session" is installed but doesn't show up in my login manager (gdm (since I don't like sddm like at all))
Been using it for 4~5 months now, unfortunately I still go back to KDE for gaming and drawing, I mainly play fighting and rhythm games, the latency on KDE wayland is still the best exactly like my exp in windows. Also hyprland has a strange bug with drawing tablet where strokes drawn with stabilizers on are always not smooth
i use hyprland and it is great, i do get random freeze of the screens and the sound go on and i try any thing on the web site and google, and it also freezes if i switch to a tty, don't know why but else it is perfect.
