@@priyavraman no? Also I never said they did. Dude the one who brought up the cooking skills, yet they are not used in smash(I think) thus is somewhat irrelevant.
Tbh I find Pyra way better to start, easy 30% in two hits, if they can't avoid the pressure, could be an easy 60, switch to Mythra for juggles, back to Pyra and win.
It's not surprising that Leo would use Pyra. He is very capable with Powerful but Slow Sword characters. He made Ike look OP when Ultimate first came out
Spargo wasn't running away and charging limit so there was no need to switch to mythra. Eventually Spargo will be up close in Pyra face whether it be Leo go up to cloud or cloud coming to Pyra so it didn't seem like the run speed mattered in that sense, Leo just boxes better up close so naturally Pyra is the smarter option
@@Unbeweaveable Ah stop making fun of the j/y error, that's a super common English language learner mistake (depending on what language you're coming from)
Great match Leo already adept with Pyra/Mythra despite them only releasing a couple of weeks ago especially being able to send a player like Sparg0 to losers.
@@red_uzu Yeahh I think in one of his first Tournament runs online last year he played w joker and got absolutely bodied and didn’t enter tournaments w joker at all and tried switching from Greninja, Wolf, Lucina, His new wifi main byleth, and his new new wifi main, Pyra/Mythra. I’m gonna miss the Byleth, but his Pyra is so fun to watch
I’m no smash theorist or anything, but my guess is that we saw more Pyrha than Mythra mostly because Cloud is a slow enough character for her to stay out without being punished for it. Seems like how often either form is used should depend on the matchup, and not be a static strategy.
@@Nyangorou1 It's almost like her split-second switch to her partner makes up for that. Mythra combos and gets you off stage and now you shit yourself wondering what option you should take to get back because like the first guy said just about everything Pyra throws out will murder you and your future prospects.
@@xavierlynch1088 dude literally figured that out the moment the characters came out lmao. He just understands those fundamentals and is so quick to figure out what’s most optimal and ideal. He doesn’t need guides or anything, he just understands 😂
A: It’s Leo trying B: Pyra/Mythra are probably super top-tier, while simultaneously seemingly being pretty simple to pilot to a competent level. They’re almost certainly a better character than Cloud for example Honestly what’s really scary is that he’s dropping a lot of combos, this character is a problem lol(but they’re pretty aggressive so I don’t mind)
@@Amaling That's the way Cloud plays, neutral is his game but the way it plays is very similar in most matchups and MKLeo was really aware and experienced with this playstyle.
Well to be fair, it's also because Pyra/Mythra are so new that the matchup hasn't been fully explored yet. I mean, how many top level Pyra players you see out there?
I agree, Leo is straight cracked man. Even though Pythra is pretty insane as a character I don't think anyone outside of him could have punked Sparg0 like this with such a new character
Everyone else: I will take me weeks -maybe months- to discover all Pyra and Mythra´s potential and use it for a tournament, I guess... MkLeo: *Hey, look, I'm on grands already*
they nerfed Cloud's Nair, Limit and Uair..... for what? they knew they gonna include pyra/mythra in the future. i never saw so many Up-B's in one fight, when i was playing online.......
Actually accurate though, Pyra's range enabled Leo to play a super solid spacing game against Spargo's Cloud. Though it looked like he wasn't comfortable with Mythra in this match, Leo might be able to make a case that Pyra's neutral game is not as bad as people make it out to be.
@@tha-fresherson Mythra's speed invalidates Pyra's range advantage because of how quickly she's able to get in and out; It effectively works like having more range. When offline tournaments come back and Pyra's moves become more reactable you'll see far more Mythra use.
@@tha-fresherson I think Pyra will only get worse once we can play offline and people learn the matchup. The same story can be said of Ike early on, where once people learned how to fight him, he got worse overall. Slow characters with strong hits always gradually get worse with the meta. Now if you combine Mythra and Pyra and switch between them, then that mitigates the weakness of Pyra. Use Mythra to hit them into disadvantage and then Pyra to get the kill.
@@MAJJASTAK Joker nerf doesn't really exists for skilled players and hurts alot for those unskilled people who spam Eiha and counter with Arsene. Knowing how good Leo is with Joker, the nerfs barely matters
@@R.Sinnia i mean certainely, but some situations are still hindered by this, for exemple when Leo edgegards with Joker he sometimes eiha into other moves, which is not (or less ) possible anymore for exemple. But yeah Joker is still a very good character lmao, it's not like it is some *cough* Bowser Jr. *cough* bottomest tier character being *cough* little Mac *cough weeze* barely touched or buffed... Damn i should take some medecines XD
4:02 I love how Cloud's tilt has a green trail behind it and Mythra's tilt leaves a similar trail and both of their swords clashed. It looks cool and now I want it as my background.
They’re entertaining but they don’t add analysis. The extent of their relevant commentary is who is ahead lmao but either way they always have fun chemistry
They do add analysis.. do you not know who these guys are? They have been commentating in the community for a loooong time and are better then everyone at it tbh
@@rauruuuu I disgree. The best analysis you get from them is like "that was a good back air" after it hits. I've been listening to them for forever. I like them for sure and I don't mind when they commentate but they are definitely just for entertainment value
@@rauruuuu eh, i disagree. VirumSD is much better than TK and EE analytically but they have much more chemistry and ability to talk over the game imo than Virum
I love how MKLeo is using Pyra/Mythra. I bet the haters will start screaming "HIGH TIER CHARACTER" now lol. I like the playstyles. Hopefully I get as good as these professionals someday (as a Hero and Shulk main).
@@sticky2803 Well ok. I don't understand the people who were toxic about another anime character in Smash, but obviously they think the character is high tier and they are magically positive now :/ Haters gonna hate, dudes. Smh.
people wil start to adapt though , it was close and spargo doesn't know the match up. dropping shield on mythra side special and not punishing her bad recovery from far out twice in a row , example 11:23 it doesn't even spike so unlike chrome or ike u can be careless when punishing it even if Leo's pyra/mythra dont improve significantly (which it probably will) people will start winning vs his. LUL i called Leo joker , edit.
I can deal with the stupid fast Mythra that combos me to hell.. But the things Pyra does is just way too far into the "why did that fuck me over?" category. While I think a lot of Pyra's aerial attacks are wayyy to strong - I actually think her giant flaming sword projectile is the most OP thing in the game. It goes so fricken far, does tons of damage as a kill move, has a massive hit box, comes out fast. It invalidates the approach options of 60% of the cast, not to mention ledge guarding. Why does Pythra get to have almost every single attack, any direction you point the controller, be better than most of the cast? She was the same price as the rest of the DLC lol.
@@theexaltedlt8222 I really believe this is the one time where everyone is correct in saying a character is OP. Pythras are still learning too. They will only find more ways to confirm. Other than Pythras recovery everything about her makes it so her recovery isn't even a downside. Especially since one of them is a great kill move. Edit: I also think, just based on the patterns of previous DLC, she will end up getting a nerf at some point.
@@dent5672 yea they still have downsides. Pyra's moves are very telegraphed and slow and you can play around them. Mythra will overextend meaning you can punish them. Photon Edge gets shut down by projectiles. Both their recoveries send them into free fall meaning they have to either up b or side b which don't go that high. Both characters aren't great with escaping juggle pressure.
@@theexaltedlt8222 I see your point, but look. Bayo Smash 4 had downsides. In Brawl, I mained Meta Knight and even he had downsides. They were both still OP!
@@dent5672 difference is bayo could literally negate her flaws and cancel her endlag but grabbing ledge. She was also was kind of light but that doesn't matter when you can kill people at zero. Metaknight was also lightweight but his pros were so good it didn't matter. Pyra/Mythra can not negate their flaws. They don't gain a lot but camping like bayo and meta knight. They can't kill at zero, and they don't have ladder combos that kill you at any percent.
@@lokks2130 He said "that works too." As in, BOTH OPTIONS WORK! Learn what "too" means and use your brain. You're talking about people arguing when nobody started arguing until YOU made your ridiculous half-brained comment 💀☠. Have you thought of that? If the comment didn't apply to me, why reply to EVERYONE? Why not just reply to Sneakman? You can individually reply to me, but not Sneakman? Huh, seems to me that you're just trying to dodge your mistakes instead of owning up to them. Do better.
no way he said that? esam is known for bad takes, but that’s simply god awful. there’s no way anyone is taking the throne from leo offline even at first imo
Que raro no? Es decir, lo normal es empezar con Mythra y ir bajando daño con sus combos aprovechándose de su velocidad y luego pasar a Pyra para matar, pero Mkleo inicia con Pyra, y usa mas bien poco a Mythra, de hecho en algunas ocasiones hace daño con pyra y cambia a Mythra para matar en la primera ronda, que es lo opuesto a lo que se hace normalmente, no termino de entender como juega su pyra-Mythra pero lo cierto es que funcionan muy bien, se nota que controla muy bien a pyra y a pesar de su lentitud mete la suficiente presión para mantener a cloud a raya, quien sabe si hubiese usado mas a Mythra de haberse encontrado con un oponente mas rapido como pikachu, me deja con ganas de ver mas combates asi, por algo este tipo es el mejor del mundo
Where are the folks saying these 2 aren't broken? We have Mr. Number 1 himself who's also a sword specialist pulling the potential out of this character and showing how good Pyra actually is, not just Mythra and her privileged frame data. Allow me to reiterate that their switch takes the same amount of frames as a spot dodge to finish. Build damage with Mythra and finish the job with Pyra, a simple concept and effective as hell. We've got a new Sm4sh Cloud and how ironic that that's who got beaten in this set.
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Mkleo makes any character look fantastic because he's fantastic at this game. But are we really gonna act like this Pyra/Mythra character doesn't nearly auto pilot all the victories herself? She risk almost nothing for any given situation outside of hanging deep off the ledge. Her physicals hit HUGE, and are either hard (pyra) or fast (myth) and trade in her favor against almost everything. Not to mention she never has to choose sides because almost everything she does hits a full 180 degrees. -Her time slowdown is busted -Her fire pillar slam is crazy fast and covers nearly the entire stage vertically And the list goes on and on, lol. She is so obviously not balanced and receives FAR to much advantages without any real disadvantages. The only other character that has felt this busted is Joker himself, lol. She reaps so many rewards for so minimal effort its crazy, lol.
Thank you ! I totally agree with you, see really needs to be nerfed because everything she does, she risks anything with that frame data and can kill you anytime with pyra... even you are behind her she will touch you. Mythra Side B you can’t see her prepare that mole Sephiroth and the foresight is too much with all advantages she has .. everybody online think they are too good just because they play Pyra/Mythra...
MK Leo fight style is run run run hit.... Boooooooooring, Sparg0 is the kind of players I like to fight, always trying to face each other without running around like bitches.
The thing about Pyra is she’s more prone to zoning and damage, Mythra is prone to combos and openings, he mains Joker and knows how to play Marth and Ike... hmmm
"Mythra doesn't have enough kill options". Like a fast F smash, Lightning Buster (which I find unusually busted) and some of the best ledge guarding in the game depending on the character fought? I like to start pyra for ez 30+ because her best combos are at low percent, swap to Mythra while still pressuring till 90%, then it's off with their heads.
Mk leo like ariel kill options Mythra has a decent kill confirm but it's all from grounded set ups. Not to mention that mythra is only ever going to really kill at the ledge.
Xenoblade developers were horny while making her and Mythra. They’re both actually thiccer and with slightly more revealing outfits in their respective games.
That's also not PYRA'S recovery, but I guess using down b counts at her recovery option lol. I have seen people get hit out of it, and Mythra's recovery overall is better cause she won't b line it for the blast zone after reaching the top, but the initial consensus so far I've seen is both characters have pretty poor recoveries since side b doesn't insta-snap the ledge and the up b's are fairly telegraphed and not that far. And half of those side b's I thought there would be too much end lag but nope, maybe she has a higher jump than I thought, but he made some recoveries I thought for sure he was dead even after I saw him make it several times already
ok tell me if i'm wrong : mkleo won't stop using the best character and will never learn playin low tier character ? by that i mean, you remove joker , mythra, steve ... just leave him some shit like little mac or piranha, and he'll lose to 75% players around the world ? so f*cking sad .... :'( the skill is dead .
So am I the only one who think the new character is too OP. Spargo gets destroyed with a new character (2 weeks experience) and whats most scary... I didnt even think mkleo was pushing it really hard. I think he could even make it a lot harder using more mythra
To be fair, the character being new is also a disadvantage for spargo. No matchup experience, whereas Leo has played spargo's cloud a million times. Pyra/Mythra are extremely good, but not quite on the same level as S4 Bayo or Brawl Meta Knight.
I think he didn’t want to overexpose the pyra/mythra. Probably hoping they don’t get nerfed. But also he already qualified he didn’t really care about 1st for the online event
He says all the time that he just really likes playing Byleth, and loves the character in general. He says he really wants to push the character and prove that the character is good.
