oh yea he was clearly the catalyst for pink floyd, he just went a little too far and became lost his way back.. too bad too cuz can you imagine what a pink floyd would have been if he had made it back and kept with the band? slightly high but totally functional? pretty sure there wouldn't have been the tussles as they would have worked it all out... OK, all 3 of us write and collaborate just like the beatles so forth.. instead of having the eagles, CCR, pink floyd type power struggles and break ups
@@deandee8082 Yup - Likewise, it’s pretty hard to fault Peter Green for chucking it all when you look at the train wreck that FM became in terms of personal dynamics brought on by mega stardom 5 or 6 years later. I’m always torn between the impulse to sing my praises of his genius to the oblivious latter day fans, and the understanding that his fragile soul was probably spared a more terrible fate the day he walked away. RIP Greeny and Syd.
@@elliottg.1954 If I'd no other reference points and someone said that's a picture of Mr. Nick Mason in the present day, then I could be fooled... except that I've seen the DVD of 'Nick Mason's Saucerful Of Secrets', and I know that he no longer has a moustache.
They need to do a Motion Picture about him. Think about it almost all of the big time Rock N Roll Movie Biopics end in the same way. This story is unique in all sorts of ways. Very few bands have made it thru 2 lead singers and be different in popularity. Pink Floyd had 3 Phases of popularity with different styles. Roger Waters and David Gilmore may seem the same until you take Rogers political and ideology out of the songs and you have none of that in Gilmore's just like Syd Barrels pop music was not Waters and Gilmours. You can have 3 different major actors to play these roles with all 3 interchanging and connecting one with the other.
1 off the band went to uni .... others rather average working class families ( smart lads ) , at that time money was in very short supply in uk..... england took 20+years to emerge from WW2..... 100% NOT POSH STUDENTS 🇬🇧
Yes, I was very impressed with the character of the band members that they would have supported him through all of the difficulty involved in dealing with his behavior.
@@nunyafunyuns they made sure he got his royalties for his contributions on the second album and they even produced some songs on his solo album. One thing for sure is that they loved syd but that schizophrenia rumor roger started is way off. Syd got better not too long after but just stopped making music because he didnt feel special as his sister said. In the end he lived somewhat of a peaceful normal life.
I recently saw Roger Waters on his tour. He had a story in text on the screens while they played Wish You Were Here, about how he and Syd decided to start a band. It was very touching.
It's a distorted sort of ending chant to me. Like the rolling credits sort of thing. The on you go now but it sounds like an unhappy journey is to be onset. Eerie
Those memorable early sounds of Floyd were definitely attributable to the unique influence of Syd .Whereas there has for some time been a mystique ( together with many stories ) surrounding him , this remains his true and cherished legacy .R.I.P.
There were several musicians in the 1960’s who dropped out of the scene rather than trying to make it big. They preferred artistry over stardom. Peter Green and Jeremy Spencer of Fleetwood Mac and Stu Sutcliffe of the Beatles also come to mind.
Truth be told Stu died before Beatles reached fame. Your point remains, the scene itself was such that more sensitive, introspective and less "go-getter" attitude people actually reached wider audiences. Really a crazy time now that you think about it, especially comparing it to what's happenning today
No wonder he went mad with Producers like that to work with. Norman; "I hear a brass band on this", Syd, "Oh yeh? Cool, how about a Salvation Army Band", Norman; "OOh very difficult to get hold of for a session but I'll see what I can do". A few days later. Norman; "So I got the Salvation Army Band, what do you want them to play?". Syd, "I dunno, anything really". Norman "Well they can't do that Syd, they've got to have some ideas". Back and forth. Syd leaves. Producer puts the brass on the track and even he is embarrassed by the results and still many years later can't listen to it. You have to have really thick skin to deal with fkn idiots like this, that call themselves producers and time and again turn the creative process into a maze of lunacy. It's enough to drive one right up the wall and over the edge. I almost went mad (as you can tell) just listening to Norman recount the story. Poor Syd. rip - Let me say it for you Syd; "I don't fkn know, it was your idea to put some brass on it, now just put some fkn brass on it if that's what you want to do, my 2 cents is just make it a Salvation Army Band, now get to work, chop fkn chop".
I think that Sys Barrett was a seed that, although it fell on the ground, GAVE US MANY FRUITS THAT WE ENJOY TODAY, apart from ANY JUDGMENT OR SPECULATION. !
Norman Smith (famous as a producer) is also known as a one-hit-wonder -- had a good novelty hit record (#1 in USA - Cashbox) in the '60s "Oh Babe, What Would You Say?" He also produced the band Barclay James Harvest -- who still record & perform today but mostly in Europe. First real rock opera -- S.F. Sorrow by The Pretty Things (this was before The Who's "Tommy"). Smith also was the engineer on many early Beatles songs until 1965.
The style of the band at this point was heavily indebted to the first Pink Floyd album, The Piper at the Gates of Dawn, but filtered through their own color spectrum. The Pink Floyd connection went beyond mere sonic hat tipping, since Alice Cooper played host to Pink Floyd on the British band's first U.S. tour. “We were the house band at the Cheetah for a period of time in ’67,” Smith recalls. “One of the perks was we could go see any of the bands playing there. Pink Floyd were there one week. I remember the first or second song they played, Syd went up to sing and boom! A spark came from the microphone and hit his lip. He just put his arms down to his sides, backed about a foot away from the stand and just stood there like a statue for the rest of the night. After the show, they came back to our house and partied with us all night long. Syd walked in like a zombie. He didn’t talk to anybody, he just stood there. He seemed a bit psychotic, and the mass quantities of LSD certainly didn’t help.” Read More: Alice Cooper Drummer Neal Smith Recalls the Early Days | ultimateclassicrock.com/alice-cooper-neal-smith-interview-2018/? Those bastards didn't even take him to the hospital even after he was electrocuted on stage.
"Those bastards" is a bit unfair I think. Syd went down in a hole and band was worried but didn't realise how far it would lead. I don't think you go to hospital if you don't get physically hurt by electricity.
The only reason they made the wall was to separate them from the audience. seems they all where a bit crazy. I personally think syds music was hard for me to enjoy all though I love Pink Floyd .
+Conlaoch Cattan It was Waters who wanted to be isolated from the audience. His inability to deal with them led to almost pathological hatred (he once spat at them apparently) The only way he would tour the album was if he could find a way not to be near or isolated from the audience. Hence the building of an actual wall instead of say just playing the music as per normal.
Ah yes I love that one. The way the lyrics blend in with the music have always reminded me of Bike. Each of them perfectly encapsulates that unique and somewhat off-beat British psychedelic romanticism.
"His relatively small musical legacy" I disagree. Yes, Syd was musically active for just a few short years but his impact on music should never be overlooked or underestimated. He lay the foundations for what Pink Floyd would become. Plus the fact that David Bowie, Marc Bolan, Paul Weller and Damon Albarn have all cited Syd as one of their main influences speaks volumes.
Small/short in time duration, huge in legacy. Perhaps that's all he was meant to do, but it was certainly enough. Media likes to focus on what didn't happen as those it is a tragedy instead of what did happen as a celebration.
When writer sculpt a book or film , they naturally try to make it sexy in order to make money ..... the image of syd in a darkened room is BOLLOX . People who lived close to him know this .... the books are one sided and insulting
At 2:21.. Probably the only time I've ever thought this but man does Syd ever look like Paul McCartney here. Perhaps it's his expression but it's uncanny.
Try not to compare him to the latter pink floyd. You have to investigate the time that he was making music in, and in the time it was credible. Incredible critically.
Here is what I think "went wrong" with Jugband Blues. Firstly, it was Norman's idea to have a brass band. Not Syd's. Hence Syd probably agreed just for the sake of it and "suggested" a Salvation Army Band. However, this idea and the recording of the track was many months *after* Sgt Pepper's. So Norman's "idea" was not really "original". In fact, on the face of it, Norman's idea was merely "coat tailing" Beatles, who Norman had worked with up to 1965. It would be rather difficult to believe Syd was not aware of Sgt. Pepper's in late 1967. But I am sure he was, hence his disinterest and no show. Just my opinion.
You’re exactly right. Normans sitting there acting like SYDS crazy for not having an idea when it was Norman’s terrible idea in the first place. Instead of getting the hint that Syd was disinterested, they chalked it up to “he’s crazy”. I can not believe more people can’t see the truth.
Never understood why any human would need to take that much acid. It's a self fulfilling prophecy, take a peek and return but the closer you get, the further it gets..
Syd's role in the founding the group can't be minimized. That being said, most bands that have made it to success and notoriety experienced line up changes and shake ups in the early stages of their development. Barret made one and part of another of Pink Floyd albums. In most cases these changes are rarely more than foot notes in the bands history. His renown comes on two things, one was how important he was as a friend to Waters, and Wright and Mason and how his mental breakdown effected them (and Gilmour too) which continued to influence many of the themes that they explored in their music, and the fact that it was so explored. It is impossible to really surmise what level of ingenious or lack there off that may or may not have developed in him as musician through time. His story is tragic and profound. Pink Floyd would not have developed to be what they became without him in the beginning, or with him in as time evolved. That is the paradox behind the whole Pink Floyd Dynamic. As Mason stated, there would never have been a Dark Side of the moon had it not been for Syd. But if they had not of gone on with out him, as difficult as it was to come to terms with for them, there would not have been a Dark side of the moon.
Pink floyd for sure wouldve been shockingly big with syd. Syd was coming up with ideas and they called him crazy or laughed at him yet later on roger would steal those same ideas and get called a genius for it yet the songs would get big. Not to mention syd even created punk rock (vegetable man) yet they didnt release it because he was deemed as crazy and thats why so many 80 punks were so hooked on syd and even wanted him to produce music for them. Maybe pink floyd wouldnt have been as big if he stayed but I doubt it because look at all the legendary things syd accomplished just off that 1 album. Jimmy page compared syd to jimi hendrix, hendrix was a fan of syds and even performed with him, David bowie was heavily influenced by syd, the beatles the whos and even more great groups loved pink floyd when syd was around. Yall can keep coming up with this narrative for as long as you please but truth be told syd was the soul of that group before and after. Roger was an amazing writer yes but none of them come close to syds small catalog of lyricism.
I heard Syd wanted the bell ringer from the Salvation Army collection pots only, not the whole band, so he left in a huff. A young Mike Oldfield knew the story, and built his epic 'Tubular Bells' cycle around this theme.
According to Alan Parsons, David Gilmore did the entire Dark Side of the Moon completely stoned ... watch the Live at Pompeii. You have your answer! Just LOOK a Davids eyes when he say's "...We're not a drug band..."
His songs are quite different than the famous later songs . But the band became about interpreting his inner experience - which was a huge guess , because that boy was GONE . " You missed the starting gun . " " Threatened by shadows . " " Hey you . " Letters to the missing Syd .
What was "Ealy"? A street they lived on? Their old manager's name? A popular pub they frequented? Not sure why this is called "The Ealy Days Of Pink Floyd."
I swear to you, truly love the marching band Salvation Army circus in the song, maybe I’ll never be a fancy smug English producer but I think it works for the song very much
@@fungus2116 It's pretty well documented that Sid overdid it with acid one fatal weekend (either voluntarily or otherwise) and never got his marbles back.
That is just speculation. Some talented people hate being social. And just because people look/act different, the public slaps a label on people. Fuck everyone.
@@aquariousenigma70 He was predisposed to schizophrenia, and after being removed from the band surrounded himself (possibly involuntarily) with individuals who would peddle him various pyscodelics. Not sure there's much speculation at all about the consequences. The man was a loon towards the tail end.
@@pottingsoil I think that is unfair to the band. There was a time when the rest of the band was worried about how Syd grew a very sinister view of the world and his life, and it was very hard to get to him before he was incapacitated mentally. If anyone really had known what was about to happen they sure would have stepped in harder earlier. Roger Waters said recently in the Rogan podcast that Syd's family was in denial or at least communicated it like that during that falling phase, that afterwards most say, almost certainly was catalysed by LSD.
@ThePostmarxist I agree. Can someone loop it so it goes on for like 90 minutes or so. "Elder in a sweater, who may or may not have just stuck an appendage in a light socket, talks about tracking down the Salvation Army Band."
Roger is the only one who has kept the faith with the 60s head and freak revolutionary vibe. Syd wasn’t the commercial end of Floyd. His songs reflect Cambridge folk tradition after all Cambridge Folk festival is still a leader.
They sure did put a positive spin on it. The truth is that Syd went crazy, and after he left the band he lived with his mother for the rest of his life. Time was not kind to him---it wasn't long before he was fat and balding, so much so that the other members of Pink didn't even recognize him
ok the Salvation Army band is the best thing about Jugband Blues, so I don't know what the hell Smith's complaining about, sounds like The Incredible String Band stumbled into Dylan's session for Rainy Day Women #13 and 35. I just read that Smith was a recording engineer on Rubber Soul, I think that's one or the most beautiful sounding records ever.
a Beatles fan by far....So as sorry as I am to hear of his death..I know his was outstanding...and will in my heart be great...but...he did use a lot of LSD..and that from what i hear cased him to separate from the world and pass away..RIP SYD..
The house at 183 Hill Road did have a basement. That's the house his mother had and where he lived in the early 1970s before the Hilton in London then the Chelsea Cloisters apartment. When he left London and came back to Cambridge at the end of the 1970s, his mother had sold that house and moved to 6 St Margarets Square. it was that latter house where Syd/Roger lived until his death in 2006. it didn't have a basement. How do I know this? I wondered about the basement issue as well, and found that the 183 Hill Road house was later sold in the 1990s and had a diagram of all the rooms including the basement.
First of all..dont anyone take this the wrong way...but of all the interviews Ive heard about SYD...seems like the other members of Pink Floyd did not really like the way he was...meaning under the influence of LSD...so..his (lyrics) was mostly written under that influence..and again dont take me the wrong way..I love PF...BUT ...you have to admit that all the people that liked this music..was more than likely under that influence..and that's not wrong...but if you listened to PF..u were not
We like, some even love (the thought of) Syd/Roger, because losing one's sanity and therefore whole life is deeply tragic and especially when the individual showed so much potential and was warm, kind-hearted, charismatic, and attractive to both Women and "some'' Men.. lf the God's - the forces outside of our perception that 'move' life as a whole - had been kinder to him he may have been another David Bowie..
I AM the WALRUS tremble before the CALAMITY of the PENULTIMATE CORNHOLE strikes upon your feeble hearts and leaves a sputtering stain upon your FEEBLE FACES you will at once shudder before the UNBRIDLED MAGNANIMITY of the UNSHEATHED PORK SWORD as it slashes DONGINGLY across your surprised countenance
They were known first as The Tee Set then Sigma 6 before settling of The Pink Floyd Sound named after two Bluesmen Syd liked Pink Anderson and Floyd Council. Eventually they dropped The and Sound from their moniker.
People imagine that someone who doesn't go about in gangs or are loud in the pub or just quiet in nature are loners. There a difference between an Independent guy than a loner....Syd Barrett was an Independent guy and he had excuses for being such.
I am the Syd Barrett... of Tiny Houses among other things. I agreed to eat their pills, because I needed someone to talk to. It backfired, for 17 years.
What became of Syd Barrett from the 1970's to 2006? I know he lived with his mother, so I guess he didn't need to be in a hospital? Did he know about "Dark Side of the Moon" or "The Wall"? Did he continue to paint or was he still able to express his artistic nature in other ways after his breakdown?
David Dennis he did. He showed up in the studio when they were recording Dark Side of The Moon. I realized it was during The Wall Album that was when Syd had shown up. That was after I posted my reply above. I remember Richard saying that David cried.
@Jan Hoyle Actually, that famous unexpected studio walk-in by Syd was during the recording of "Wish You Were Here", particularly when they were doing the final recording of "Shine On You Crazy Diamond", which was rather ominous and apparently made both Roger and David weep, because what they used to know as Syd Barrett, as David described him, "a slender, elegant, figure" now stood before him as a bloated, eyebrow-less, hair-less man. That sight of him after all those years, was what made David realize, according to him, that Syd was never going to have that return that David especially had hoped he would have. Richard is talked about/rumored to've said that Syd asked to be shown where he needed to plug in his guitar to do his part, to which he had to be sadly told, "sorry Syd, all the guitar parts are done." And if this part of it really happened, that's pretty sad. It's as if Syd thought he was still a member of the band after being gone from the group (with no one knowing anything of him) for 4-5 years.
So right he retired the genius of his music especially mad cap and Barrett live on I wish the likes of gary Barlow and robbie Williams would retire even though they are not fit to share the same sentence as syd let alone breathe. Madcap is my number 1 album of all time and piper and Barrett are in my top 10 pop pickers lol xxxx
I think, according to many interviews around Syd Barrett, David gilmour took his place on the band, but on the other hand, saved the band carrer. His a great guitar player and the band needed him at that time. I think so, but right me if I'm wrong.
Matheus Zugaib from what I have read and heard I don't think that was the initial purpose of Gilmour joining the band, but Syd deteriorated so quickly that it appeared that way. I am sure they would have continued as a 5 piece but it just couldn't be done. i cannot even Imagine what might have happened had Gilmour not joined the band. I cannot imagine a world without Pink Floyd; they arguably did more to shape rock an roll than anyone except for maybe Elvis Presley. Dark Side of the Moon = greatest album of all time.
Mr. Gilmour helped the band to become so much more professional. Watch a 1967 vs. a 1969 performance, it is a revelation. Mr. Gilmour also brought the musical feel to the band which they really needed. He did not write as many songs as Mr. Waters did but overall the stamp he put onto Pink Floyd is so much bigger than the plain number of songs he wrote. Their best moments where not when Syd Barrett was there but when Mr. Waters lyrics and edgy ideas combined with Mr. Gilmour's melodic feel. Pink Floyd would not have survived the next 3 years with Mr. Barrett. Not only because of his "sickness", but also because artistically he never developed further from the things he wrote '65 - '66. Overrated.
Syd correlated the band, and they put out some really weird stuff, but I found it interesting, David Gilmore, took the weirdness, and made it work, both brilliant artists.
I think Gilmour was a great replacement for Barrett, I think he fit perfect and Syd Barrett was steadily going down deeper into depression and mental illness, it would have ruined tne band. Having Gilmour step in afforded Pink Floyd the opportunity to continue on and become one of the best, if not the best ( best in my opinion ) psychedelic bands of all time. Gilmour is a legend !!
sadly it was a combination of things that led to Syd becoming mentally unstable. But it was also those same things that made Him great as a song writer in the beginning of Pink Floyd.
@@hippydippy Norman 'Hurricane' Smith was the engineer on all of the EMI studio recordings by the Beatles until the autumn of 1965 when EMI promoted him from engineer to producer. The last Beatles album he recorded was Rubber Soul and Smith engineered the sound for almost 100 Beatles songs in total. Had a hit himself ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-wJdkCs5RdQg.html
