If the final season hadn’t made a mockery of all this, I agree. I think the explanation would be that he was originally imprisoned as Jaqen, wore the face of Syrio Forel, and then returned to his place as a prisoner as Jaqen again. Ned would have hired him as Syrio, and in that role he became invested in Arya’s well being.
Sigh. I have come back to this video with sad tidings. The actor who played Syrio did an interview about a week ago. He confirmed that Syrio is dead and is not Jaqen. And he confirmed that D&D tied the faceless men to Bravos on purpose to drive fans wild with this theory.
@@Michael-zt9ik I still haven’t watched the show, too expensive and it’ll obviously be a let down. I’ve decided that it if do watch it that I need to just consider it to a totally different story
We all know Eddard Stark is Arya's Father and as the sentence started by refering to Arya it would follow one would only need to refer to her Farther by parental title alone.
The only thing I hope we see in s8 is a person randomly walking up to arya to remove his face and end up being Syrio. Like a 20 sec scene that doesn't take away time from the big story.
Has anyone noticed that when she was running away from Syrio, you clearly hear a sword/metal fall to the ground and immediately after that, painful groans coming from that same direction, and then you start to hear the fighting above ... those sounds grow stronger while the sounds from the Trant fight grow weaker. Syrio didn't have a sword, he had wood. Someone dropped their sword, so, he's alive, no guessing about that. Rewatch it and you can tell...
@@JellP-x5bI mean, they pretty much ruined the show starting at Season 6 so it doesn’t surprise me that they abandoned yet another plot line, of course if this theory is true
@@micfail2 I saw the whole thing apart from e6,I don't see how though, I started watching like a month ago so I'm not really deep into the off-screen story.
I’m paraphrasing here but Syrio says “You need to see, truly see” and when Arya gets to Bravos he takes away her sight... coincidence? No way!! Great video!!
Yes Syrio is a face less man. They never showed him dying because he didn't die. Reminds me of hound when we thought he was dead and later we seen him alive. Just great writing. Thank you.
The death of syrio was the most unconvincing one for me. The way that guy danced with sword, he could have take on atleast 15-20 armed guys. I was wondering this same thing since then.
@@hectorvr_pr1105 Exactly. What was his purpose even? His appearance and willingness to teach Arya is so incredibly random that he has to be related to Arya or the Starks in some way. Him being Syrio makes the most sense.
I like how this character had like 8 minutes of screen time in the entire show, yet there are already theories and controversy about his possible identity/story or what not. Just shows how likeable the character is.
I've always been completely ok with this theory and it makes too much sense, I've never thought Syrio died, there's just too many coincidences, but I'm curious... What loyalty/intrest does Syrio/Jaqen have for/to Arya ? That's always been the bigger question for me. Did Ned really hire a " Dancing Master " for his daughter or did he always know that it wasn't too safe in Kings Landing ?
It's Rhaegar, protecting the niece of his true love. Arya is in every way the spitting image of Lyanna. Rhaegar's body was never identified after the battle. He was known to be a great swordsman two decades before the story begins.
If you turn the sound up all the way, none of the voices shouting in pain as Arya runs away sound like Syrio. I'd think Trant were knocked out, the others killed, and then "Syrio" became Jaqen. I noticed this immediately after buying and watching the first three seasons on DVD.
I found myself contemplating that towards the end of watching this video. I can't help but wonder if Syrio/Jaqen was planning to make Arya into what she became, much like her brother Bran becoming the 3 eyed raven.
@@dragonof10jc63 "And here we are" The faceless man said this to Arya when they first met after she "rescued" him, "What do we say to the god of death ? Not today" , Syrio said this to Arya more than once, they were the last words he spoke to her.
@@gregorysabbagh3746 I only ever recall Syrio saying that line. Currently reading the books also. But they do both believe and have mentioned that the only God is the God of death. Can confirm that much. Never heard Jaqen say the 'not today''line. If he had, I feel like this would be a closed debate for everyone that they are the same person.
Arya’s fighting style (in particular her first training encounter against Brienne of Tarth -S07 EP04) which becomes noticeably better after training at the house of white and black, replicates Syrio’s “water dancing” fighting technique - that we initially see in the early stages of the series by his character - to which I believe is further evidence that Syrio is Jaqen H’ghar as their teachings can be a sign of truly the same person
The poor girl who is asked to protect everyone in the Tombs while getting her soup . She had big chubby cheeks but nothing ever happened with her the next episode so probably not
Syrio was the first sword of Braavos, but he was killed by the faceless men long before. It's the face speaking to Arya, he didn't die, he only staged his death. The whole thing was a test.
makes a lot sense, with a title of first sword of bravos, a lot of people would have wanted him to be killed, maybe he presented himself to Ned Stark so she can train Arya because he knew she's the one would kill the nigh king? I dunno but the theories go on and on
I always and still do believe Syrio and Jaqen are one in the same and also technically neither. With the faceless men, who knows who's face is truly their own when they become no one?
I believe there are not faceless men assassins, only one faceless man who wears many faces. At the temple, there were servants, students and priests, but did she ever meet another assassin?
@@Magenta61364 Isn't the point of the assassin to remain anonymous? - That's how they blend in after all... What's to say that the priests, servants, and students, aren't actually all assassins, just hidden in plain sight? After all, one of them goes after Arya, chasing her through Bravos, trying to kill her, but Arya outsmarted her in the end.... she was only a student, but her killing or even fighting prowess was immense... as is Arya's now also.
@@ChaoticLegion01 I don't believe they all were assassins. They blend in but only to a certain extent. A lion can fade into the background in the bush, but no one would ever miss a lion standing in a herd of sheep.
@@Magenta61364 Its not like Assassins have a big flashing sign saying "Im an Assassin"... The point is that they can and do, blend in. Your example is totally out of context.
This is the one theory to rule them all! I'll never forget watching your original video of this and subscribing when you had 300+ subs... over 300k now!?! Oh, happy day! Keep it up, friend!!!
I think you left one of the biggest clues supporting that Syrio is alive. It's an clip that was even included in this video, but you didn"t mention it. At 3:10 , while Arya is running away, and you can hear a sword in the distance hitting the ground. But from the sound, it is a metal sword, while Syrio was using a wooden one.
There is definitely a lot of metal on metal sword sounds going on. Which is why i think his claim that Syrio gets a sword from a knocked out guard on the ground is accurate. Could have easily knocked out Merryn Trant then fled. No deaths required.
I think the "assassin's guild" or "faceless men" had their eyes on destabilizing kings landing for a long time and when Ned Stark was chosen as hand of the king they sent Jaqen there to oversee and infiltrate the region/town. Jaqen used Syrio as a cover to maintain his surveilance over the situation and gather intel. Once the coupe occurred upon Roberts death Jaqen had to act fast and probably had grown fond of Arya so he decided to save her from being murdered. Jaqen tracked Arya down and followed her knowing that she could have the potential to become a faceless assassin and finally finish the assassin's guilds goal of destabilizing King's Landing by obtaining retribution for Ned's execution.
My theory is that this was the intended purpose, Syrio is Jaqen. BUT the TV show has left the idea behind. It was the intention in the books and why in the early series it all adds up. But then as the TV over took the books the TV writers have left the idea behind, intentionally or even unintentionally.
In Season 7, when Arya meets Brienne and they fight, Brienne is asking Arya who taught her to fight. And Arya answers „no one”. So i think at this point she already knows that Syrio Forel is Jaquen H’agar, otherwise she would has answered “Syrio Forel” instead of “no one”. We also watched their style to fight ( Syrio & Jaquen) and those are matching.
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Rd242000 the night kings plans were revealed. He wanted to turn Bran so the night king would have an immortal white walker so they could take over the whole kingdom and turn everyone
@@atomicj-man4196 yes we know that, it was the basic knowledge we got from them. But they didn't say the reason why the night king wanted to turn everyone into white walkers.
That makes actually *SO MUCH* sense for example when Jaqen said: why do you wear Aryas clothes and why do you have her sword?? How does he know if he’s not Syrio???!😳🤯😱😱😱
In one of the previous scenes of Aryia and Syrio training, Ned Stark is there observing them. Every time one of the wood training swords they are using makes contact it makes a distinctive sound. Ned, while listening to this, starts to reflect on one of his previous battles from his past and you can start to here the sound of metal on metal from the real swords in his day dream. The reason I bring this up is because I believe the show runners are trying to use these sounds as foreshadowing for a future event. The one where Syrio is protecting Aryia from the Lannister soldiers and Ser Meryn Trant. The beginning of the scene you can here the sound of Syrio's wood sword everytime he strikes a sword or one of the Lannister soldiers bodies and we also here the sound of the soldiers swords as they hit Syrio's wooden sword. After he incapacitates the Lannister Soldiers he squares off with Ser Maryn. In this scene we see Ser Meryn cut Syrios wooden practice sword in half. Syrio then tells Aryia what do we say to the god of death? She replies not today and Syrio instructs her to go. Aryia flees to an adjacent hallway where she can here soldiers fighting in a different area but we also here the distinctive sound of a wooden sword making contact with a body and the sound of a metal sword hitting the ground. I believe Syrio was able to incapacitate Ser Meryn with half a sword and it was Ser Meryn's sword we here dropping. This is why the show runners have Aryia stuff a rag in Ser Meryns mouth when she tells him why he was the first on her list. So he cant answer and give away that Syrio didn't die. I absolutely whole heartedly know that Syrio did not die in that scene. The only thing I wonder now is who hired the Faceless men to protect Aryia and Quite possibly Ned Stark may still be alive. I have a couple of theories on this. Did Bran Stark figure out that the ink really isn't dry or is Varys behind it.
"The only thing I wonder now is who hired the Faceless men to protect Aryia ..." (sic). That is the question that needs to be asked. Ned hired Syrio to train Arya. He probably had other business in King's Landing and being a trainer provided a good cover along with access to the Red Keep. I doubt Ned realized Syrio might be a Faceless Man, especially if the Faceless Man was using Syrio's identity and reputation as a cover. I think Syrio/Jaqen identified Arya as a potential assassin and was trying to recruit her after her previous life had been destroyed. Why else give the coin but to attempt get her to voluntarily go to the House of Black and White? We _still_ don't know what Jaqen's/Syrio's mission was in King's Landing. Recruiting Arya was just a bonus.
I think Nedd made a deal with the faceless men to train and watch over Arya. There always has to be a Stark in Winterfell. Maybe Nedd figured she was the only 'real' Stark. He knew that Jon was a Targaryen and Jon's at the wall. Bran is a Stark but can't fight. Sansa is contemplating happy good time with Joffrey. That guy that jumps off the boat is not a Stark. And Robb is still alive but likely to seek life in the great unknown. That leaves her.
I really think it’s the same person. Because when Arya was asked about who taught her the sword skills, she answered “No one”. It might mean that she does not wanted to tell the name of the man or she really already told it, when she answered “No one” hence Syrio is NO ONE.
@@kellyelasky9163 I can easily see him being captured. But I can't imagine he'd stick around for long, after that. Hell, how many people did he EASILY murder for Arya, to allow her to escape? He was in a position to leave, whenever he felt like it.
Isn't he saying at 6:28 that a dancing master can't be a faceless man, but a faceless man can be a dancing master. He says it in a different way, but that could be an interpretation.
I think it's more like, a faceless man is on another level, a higher level that a regular dancing master can't/won't achieve. So a faceless man can still pretend to be a dancing master.
Completely agree. In the book A Clash of Kings, when Arya first meets Jaqen, the two of them talk an awful lot about Syrio. I would love to see him resurface in season 8.
Syrio or Jaqen probably wont ever be mentioned or anything lol like alooot of characters, they've rushed to the end so them and many others will no doubt never be mentioned or shown again... :L
Facts tho, hsate that Lady Stoneheart wasn't in the show. Same with the Kettlebacks, they have a nice plot in the books. And also Young Griff, tho his story is not yet complete cause mf G. martin doesn't bother with the books now.
Don't forget just about everything going on in Dorne. But ya, I'm saying this after S8E3 but even before E1 it's pretty tough to fit something like this in with 6 episodes to go. I mean how many fans will even remember or care who Syrio Forel is?
But it was the waif's face in the hall of faces, not Arya's....so we know it was the waif that was killed. The one that dies ends up in the hall of faces.
Nah i doubt it, otherwise for every point of view of each character there will be no ending to game of thrones. So as season 8 is the last season, the main focus will be battling the white walkers and the rest of your questions will be in the books.
It is something they could easily resolve in 10-15 mins of good, well-written scenes. Look how quickly the question of Jon's legitimacy was resolved in the penultimate scene of the last episode of S7.
"Merryn Trant?! The greatest swordsman who ever lived killed by Merryn F****n Trant" I remember another greatest swordsman who ever lived called Ser Arthur Dayne. I bet people would have been surprised to hear that Eddard Stark bested him. But wait. He had help. Maybe Syrio was killed the same way. We did see Eddard get bested by Ser Jaime Lannister the exact same way earlier and didn't Arya have a scene with Syrio where he was watching her training and it was like that too?
The problem is that Syrio was NOT the greatest swordsman who ever lived.. that was just Arya's opinion, I don't know why everyone is clinging to this line like Arya was an authority on swordsman.
@@kendonato1887 He beat 5 of the King's guard with a wooden sword and no help. Bron and Jamie Lannister (pre-maiming) would probably struggle to do that so you could argue he's at least a better swordsman than any other character in the show.
@@quilliamattari2772 Also, in the books Ned Stark was not hit by spear from behind. If I remember correctly, they were fighting on horses, Ned's horse slipped and it fell breaking Ned's leg.
Imagine getting Arya Stark's character in season 1 as a young actress to find out 8 years later you are literally the heroine of the entire series xD. Legend.
God damn if Arya isn't the most badass character yet. I wish Syrio Forel would return though, there's still hope. EDIT: Well seems he did come back briefly, sadly no water dancing
Don’t know if somebody else think the same or made a video about a theory I have, Tyrion is not son of Twyin but of the dead king Aerys, the Mad King, most probably she was rapped . I was even more sure about this when Tyrion enter to free the dragons and they didn’t eat him but also he express to the dragons his love and admiration since he was a kid. The hate of Twyin is not only for charging him the dead of his wife but also for his doubt about he could not even be his real father. Your thought?
Exactly. He laughed. The hound out of all people said the greatest swordman the world has ever seen. When have you ever heard the hound give respect to anyone?
Perhaps Syrio isn't a sword master, but a bodyguard. And what better bodyguard than an assassin who can change appearance so he is never 'made' by potential threats. He remains in the shadows, but within reach.
Excellent theory and well put together. I've thought this for a while too because you never really see what happens to Syrio. Now I need to go back a few seasons and watch all episodes with the House In Black And White and see if Syrio's face is up on any of the walls...
Of course this is true. Immediately after 1 Bravosi mentor exits Arya's life, another takes his place 5 minutes later. As for the whole 1st Sword of Bravos thing.... that could have been a lie. I see some discount the theory because they think this is a fact, but Faceless Men are all liars. Maybe Syrio WAS a 1st Sword of Bravos.... a long time ago, before he died, and before he gave his face to the Many Faced God! The 1st Sword of Barvos never runs. Unless of course he is really a Faceless Man in disguise and he is not supposed to kill Trant or any the of the guards because it is not their time to die. Especially Trant, he still had a part to play. It doesn't matter if they show this to be true or not, it will be left open as a possibility.
This is a smart theory and interesting, however, I think Syrio being from Bravos was just a first introduction to fighting and Bravos lore so that later when she meets Jaq'uen she is already interested in the mysticism of Bravos and prone to trust because she had such a good experience with Syrio. I think maybe fans are sometimes smarter than the show but this is a cool theory for sure!
I didn't take this theory seriously until I was reminded of the Hound's words. I have to admit, his incredulous reaction to hearing of the greatest swordsman who ever lived being killed by Trant, was convincing enough to at least open my mind.
Much like a lot of the characters they all seem to answer a calling that puts them on a path towards gaining knowledge or skills that would aid in fighting the white walkers. Perhaps Jaqen H'ghar was just answering that need in Arya.
Wow, thank you!!! I have been saying this since season 1!!!! Ever since he changed his face in front of her when he gave her the coin!!! Then it all came together.
Maybe the many faced god assigned Jaqen H'ghar to protect her and make her who she is, since he knew she was going to be a very skilled and cold blooded assassin, probably one of the best.
Of course Syrio and Jaqen are the same person. Arya's path has been chosen for her by some force that began interfering in her life from the first moment that she met her dancing master. Syrio put Arya on the path to becoming a Faceless man, and Arya said that the death{?} of Syrio caused her to create her list of people to kill. Syrio taught her to fight, and his fake death made her want to be a killer. Jaqen showed her a way to become an ultimate killer, and because of his input she ended up in Bravos. Jaqen turned up on the caravan to the Wall because he WANTED to connect with Arya there. There is NO way that Jaqen could have been captured and kept in that wagon unless he wanted to be there. By demonstrating the abilities of the Faceless Men to Arya, he motivated her to travel to Bravos to be trained as one. After she killed the Waif, Jaqen LET her leave when he could have easily killed her, BUT HE DIDNT. Arya has some BIG purpose in the story, and I don't think that she will survive the finale. She will make perhaps the most important kill of the final battle, perhaps even Cersei herself, or the Night King. I think The Hound will end up putting her out of her misery {as she was not able to do for him} after she completes her secretly ordained mission. She is too much the killing machine to ever go back to a normal life, and her eventual interaction with the Hound may well be his redemption for his past crimes.
Agree she has a big part to play in the story, but my money is on her and Gendry hooking up and reviving the Stark/Baratheon connection. I don't know, it feels like it's been hinted at for a long time.
@@Asthmatattack in light of the trailer, I agree with your first sentence. Her killing Littlefinger in the finale of season 7 also shows that her character is upping the pace. Can't wait to see what she does.
I've had Syrio's "only-one-god"-quote as the wallpaper on my desktop of my laptop. Seeing the video title gave me instant goose bumps. I love this theory!!!!!
Just the fact that the writers of the show take great and perverse pleasure in slaughtering both beloved and reviled characters on screen in the most graphic ways possible Indicates that "Syrio" probably lives. No on screen kill, body, or head on a spike? = probably not actually dead
was just watching season 7 best moments on youtube, when Arya is dueling Brienne of Tarth, Brienne asks who taught her how to do that and Arya responds with "Noone".
Also we never saw Tywin Lannister and the Night King in the same room. Hmmm. Not to mention that we actually never saw the Night King in any room at all. Claustrophobia?
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