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T90 HE vs M1 ABRAMS | OVERPRESSURE SIMULATION | 125mm High Explosive Armour Penetration 

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Simulating the effects of a 125mm high explosive pressure wave on the Abrams' hull roof and fighting compartment. The model investigates how the blast wave propagates through the tank and determines how lethal it is by measuring the overpressure inside the vehicle.
The 3OF26 HE projectile has over 3kg of RDX and can penetrate around 45mm of steel; in this simulation the projectile detonates above the hull roof, which is often stated to be 1.5" thick (38.1mm) [5]. The shrapnel from the HE round is ignored for simplicity and to purely focus on the pressure effects.
To Note:
The 3OF26 projectile has been simplified, with the filler material being purely RDX instead of a mixture of other materials. This is due to material properties not being available for the complex mixture.
The armour values and geometry of the Abrams is approximated based on whats available publicly, as the true design is classified.
The small regions of pressure which develop around the rigid body, or in some cases where the pressure penetrates the rigid bodies are due to the air elements being on both sides of the rigid body at once -this is because the elements aren't small enough. These larger elements also cause instability in the model which caused it to crash, hence why some of the simulations are cut short. This could not be improved as I had already reached the node limit of the software I was using.
Material properties, armour, and projectile geometries were all taken from literature:
[1] RHA: core.ac.uk/download/pdf/28829...
[2] Air: osf.io/f8awq/download/?versio...
[3] RDX: www.researchgate.net/publicat...
[4] 3OF26: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/125_mm_...
[5] Abrams Armour: aw.my.games/sites/aw.my.com/f...
This real-world overpressure effect has recently been implemented into the video game Warthunder...but not very accurately.
Abaqus FEA was used with a Coupled Eulerian-Lagrangian model, with Johnson-Cook material properties for steel, ideal gas for air, and JWL for RDX.

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@SYsimulations
@SYsimulations 3 года назад
While its not as effective as APFSDS it would definitely render the vehicle in-operable if it penetrated the hull roof...
@grendizergo4193
@grendizergo4193 3 года назад
I was wondering in case of non penetration frontal hit with HE, wouldn't the tanks fire systems like gun and gunsights be rendered in-operable too?
@SYsimulations
@SYsimulations 3 года назад
@@grendizergo4193 potentially, yes, but I wouldn't want to speculate without testing it
@grendizergo4193
@grendizergo4193 3 года назад
@@SYsimulations would be interesting to see the simulation, but the details would be too complex to simulate I guess. anyway, thanks for answer. great fan of your videos tho ^_^
@primozcekada8116
@primozcekada8116 3 года назад
On question, in the case of HE round exploding inside the Abrams, isn't the Abrams seperated into two main compartments (driver - gun crew). Did your test simulate that. If no is it enought to protect the gun crew from the HE exploding and killing them.
@codexjerry1156
@codexjerry1156 3 года назад
well im just a war thunder scrub but is it possible to test the roof of m1 abrams against the same shell? This video demonstrates how inaccurate the overpressure mechanics in war thunder is and that it could be improved(which it wont because of server issues).
@pedrojuan8050
@pedrojuan8050 3 года назад
Turret crews : "Yay, we're safe!" The driver underneath : "ahdiajrgaiwkdbsi?"
@scheewheed8285
@scheewheed8285 3 года назад
The driver: *proceeds to enter the void
@AlexandroneF
@AlexandroneF 3 года назад
They aren’t really safe, because the pressure change would certainly pop their eardrums and some fragments could hurt them.
@MistahFox
@MistahFox 3 года назад
@@AlexandroneF True, but they'd live. Assuming whatever shot them doesn't have another round...
@Sha.ll0w
@Sha.ll0w 3 года назад
@@AlexandroneF The internal plate for the turret crew doesn't get damaged to shrapnel and it would be rare to damage the crews hearing, as they use sound dampening headsets
@AlexandroneF
@AlexandroneF 3 года назад
The problem here isn’t sound, it’s the pressure. A sudden dramatic change of pressure will definitely damage their hearing as long as their headsets aren’t airtight (which I highly doubt). Also, the pressure and vibration could theoretically cause some of the internal elements to break and shrapnel. So they will have a serious concussion, a permanent or long term hearing damage and possibly several broken bones if they’ll be thrown at something hard by the pressure wave.
@cliffordhallam3270
@cliffordhallam3270 3 года назад
One of the first things you learn as a tank driver is the two grab handles on the back of your seat are to drop the seat flat so the turret crew can drag your mangled corpse out of the drivers seat and dump it on the turret floor and the loader can take your place.
@kirishima638
@kirishima638 2 года назад
And if your agility is high, it’s even easier to drag out your corpse for…reasons.
@kanamisprs4330
@kanamisprs4330 2 года назад
I've always thought that dragging said remains of your recently deceased friend and taking over his position, which would highly likely look like a butchers floor and just carry on with your new job was wishful thinking. Abandon vehicle would be more like it.
@kirishima638
@kirishima638 2 года назад
@@kanamisprs4330 LOL yes. In reality, tank crews would bail out at the first penetrating hit. They weren't suicidal meat bags like in WT! WT also hugely overstates the result of penetrations. In reality, the chances of survival were good unless the ammo cooked off or you took a direct hit - there's lot of equipment inside a tank that can absorb/deflect the round.
@cliffordhallam3270
@cliffordhallam3270 2 года назад
@@kanamisprs4330 That’s what you’d LIKE to do. However, a stationary tank is a dead tank. When I drove a Chieftain in the 70’s it was thought being immobile for half a minute in a tank engagement was pretty much a guarantee of death. This was before laser ranging which has speeded up tank gunnery a bit. I’d lower the estimate to 15 seconds. Getting out and hiding/running. . . Well, that’s what the machine gun on the top of the turret is there for. You have to remember if you kill a crew, even one or two of the , that’s either one tank less in the next fight or a tank with a reduced efficiency.
@kanamisprs4330
@kanamisprs4330 2 года назад
@@cliffordhallam3270 Was it something you actualy trained for or was it simply implied. I've read historical examples of tanks being hit and its just confusion they write about. The power knocked out, darkness and disorientation. Who's hit and or where. Wounded, panicy crewmembers trying to open jammed hatches. Where are the enemy. Stunned, thrown to the floor by the violence of the hit, etc. Grab a sten/mp40 and join the infantry seems to be the default reaction.
@politicallyinaccuratetoast4757
@politicallyinaccuratetoast4757 2 года назад
"Hey! Where's the driver?" "Well he's pretty much everywhere"
@rhetoricjester934
@rhetoricjester934 2 года назад
Did you get that line from a squire video lol
@murilovsilva
@murilovsilva 2 года назад
We had obnoxious drivers before, but this one is all over the place
@tachyon8317
@tachyon8317 5 месяцев назад
"He's right there. And there... and there... and here..."
@Paethgoat
@Paethgoat 3 года назад
Survivable or not, I can't imagine those pressure waves doing wonders for your eardrums.
@AllisterCaine
@AllisterCaine 3 года назад
Wonders in a way you don't have to bother with obnoxious peoples tattle anymore.
@inout798
@inout798 3 года назад
We are wearing caskets in tanks Maybe it’s prevents that ?
@BasedMilitarist6624
@BasedMilitarist6624 3 года назад
@@inout798 Not really brother. They are not sealed and most crews dont even tighten the casket so most of them is either deaf or dead
@bafflestrike2358
@bafflestrike2358 3 года назад
Modern cvc headsets would protect the crewmen's ears quite well.
@user-yc1xe1pd1f
@user-yc1xe1pd1f 3 года назад
Remember „The Hurt Locker?“. Explosion squeezed brains and eyes of the Engineer, although he was in his suit and relatively far from the bomb. I think the crew will also receive injuries of their other internal organs.
@volvo245
@volvo245 3 года назад
"Old painless" for the driver... Less so for his crew mates.
@konstantinriumin2657
@konstantinriumin2657 2 года назад
Crewmates? Is there an impostor among them?
@colbyuetake130
@colbyuetake130 2 года назад
@@konstantinriumin2657 yes but he already got overpressured
@josephmontanaro2350
@josephmontanaro2350 Год назад
Don't worry they only suffer a few moments of panic before the next round hits fuel/ammo/the crew themselves and puts them out of their misery
@sciathoir
@sciathoir Год назад
@@josephmontanaro2350 The council has allotted this but one, singular, Yike.
@sproge2142
@sproge2142 3 года назад
A hit to the components on the roof would be very interesting to see, if a HE shell hitting the machinegun or optics on the roof would do any damage to the crew when buttoned up
@PAcifisti
@PAcifisti 3 года назад
Probably would wreck the whole lot. Not that long ago pictures of an Abrams tank being accidently hit in the roof with a practice round circled around the internet. The commander was wounded and pretty much the entire roof was wrecked. And that was a dummy round without any massive explosion.
@sagichnichtsowiesonicht7326
@sagichnichtsowiesonicht7326 3 года назад
@@PAcifisti do you have a link to these pics ?
@williewilson2250
@williewilson2250 3 года назад
Likely the same thing here, 38mm on the roof as well so that would be bad
@AmericanIdiot7659
@AmericanIdiot7659 3 года назад
@@PAcifisti source? You: trust me bro
@PAcifisti
@PAcifisti 3 года назад
@@AmericanIdiot7659 At least your name is relevant to the level of google-fu you can do. "Abrams Training accident" or even just "Abrams accident" both point out to the 2020 incident from which those pictures are from. Though I presumed that people had heard of the incident since it made the rounds around the Internet only a year ago. But my bad, I shouldn't assume that people can remember or google.
@andregabrieltimcang8182
@andregabrieltimcang8182 3 года назад
So what ive concluded is eveytime an abrams gets hit the driver will have the most chances of dying
@ggurwlcom420
@ggurwlcom420 3 года назад
Yes. To make it worse there's nothing they can do about it. They can put digital control in the driver place and let it's driver occupy loader position in the turret operating them but they have no autoloader. An IED or mine blast underneath it's front will kill the driver even if they did not necessarily disabled the tank.
@marcusborderlands6177
@marcusborderlands6177 3 года назад
@@drinkyourwater1039 lol. Loader is the guy who has to get out to poke the dead dog on the road with a stick to see if it's an ied
@cherrypoptart2001
@cherrypoptart2001 3 года назад
@@drinkyourwater1039 loader has way more to do than just loading shells during combat and outside combat. Check redeffect's interview with the abrams operator. The guy was once a loader then a abrams gunner
@kireta21
@kireta21 2 года назад
During Desert Storm, US M1A1 was hit from behind by another M1 that mistook it for flanking Iraqi tank. Round penetrated side armor at great angle, pierced hull rack, and fuel tank, spraying inside of a tank with shrapnel, pieces of burning Uranium, and JP8 that quickly ingited as well. Guess who was the only fatality?
@mrquark9078
@mrquark9078 2 года назад
Так то во всех танках, у водителя больше всего шанс умереть. Такова судьба водителя :(
@sealpiercing8476
@sealpiercing8476 3 года назад
I definitely want hearing protection for any of those scenarios.
@Daniel-wy2kx
@Daniel-wy2kx 3 года назад
I don’t even think it’d help
@sealpiercing8476
@sealpiercing8476 3 года назад
@@Daniel-wy2kx In the penetrating hit and even the non-penetrating hits I see 50 kPa overpressures, and I would like to avoid hearing damage if practical. I imagine it would improve my effectiveness to be able to talk to my surviving crewmates even after taking a hit, if I were a tanker.
@Roderik95
@Roderik95 3 года назад
@@sealpiercing8476 Tankers usually wear helmets with ear protection and internal radio for communication do they not? As far as I know that has been the norm for a long time, correct me if I am wrong.
@sealpiercing8476
@sealpiercing8476 3 года назад
@@Roderik95 I thought that was the case also, and this is certainly illustrative as to one of the reasons for it.
@Patrick-zr8tv
@Patrick-zr8tv 2 года назад
@@Roderik95 I mean, a tank would be pretty useless if all you had to do was blast it with a non penetrating HE shell to deafen the crew, so I reckon hearing protection would be absolutely necessary. I'd imagine just firing the gun would be loud enough to do permanent damage.
@Russinh0
@Russinh0 2 года назад
"They Kill the Driver, we trying to cover for him" "The Driver is dead, we can Barely move"
@2020Twenty
@2020Twenty 3 года назад
Now I feel cheated whenever my HE shell does tiny damage to MBTs in tank games
@goosegg4653
@goosegg4653 3 года назад
Well, this HE has as much explosive mass as some 155 Arty shells, despite being a 125mm
@lorenzocampolucci4464
@lorenzocampolucci4464 3 года назад
@@goosegg4653 German 150mm arty should be almost the same as the sturmpanzer 1, with an 8.4kg equivalent in tnt, I don't know the tnt equivalent of this shell though
@halo64654
@halo64654 3 года назад
Wait untill you play warthunder... They actually have uverpressure in game.
@lorenzocampolucci4464
@lorenzocampolucci4464 3 года назад
@@halo64654 actually, I play with 7.3 German tanks, just about to buy the jagdtiger (is it? The one with the 128mm kwk44, same that should've been on the maus
@icannon6611
@icannon6611 2 года назад
This is part of why old tanks carried so much HE, it absolutely could knock out a tank fron overdressed alone.
@thevetdude19k
@thevetdude19k 3 года назад
As a prior m1 driver...yeah..I knew I was fubar........either from under hull IED or something hitting my hatch directly
@docnele
@docnele 3 года назад
I know T-72 driver that survived a hit by RPG-he just got into the tank and he got ejected through the hatch (quite far away). He was bruised but unharmed. His two buddies, however, were hurt, but the carousel ammo didn't detonate and he was able to get back in, start the tank and get them to safety. He said that they survived because they were completely unbuttoned as they just got in.
@rong1924
@rong1924 2 года назад
I worked on the NLOSC (Non Line of Sight Cannon) for the Future Combat Systems. I was told that the hatch sealing surfaces for the drivers hatches were "Critical Features" because if the hatch seal failed when the cannon was fired the overpressure would kill the crew.
@Buzwell40k
@Buzwell40k 3 года назад
Really like the title format now! Awesome content as a whole :)
@strangerinastrangeland8026
@strangerinastrangeland8026 2 года назад
It would be interesting to see the effects of 125mm the thermobaric rounds impacting on the armor while hatches are open (hatches being open happens a lot) - since thermobaric rounds are designed to kill the enemy behind cover (bunkers etc.) with the shockwave that they create - this would be really interesting to see simulated.
@faultline3936
@faultline3936 2 года назад
Pretty sure they don't open their hatches in battle... Lol
@williammontpirg4080
@williammontpirg4080 Год назад
Battle doesn’t always happen when both parties intend for it to happen lol
@tiagodagostini
@tiagodagostini Год назад
No need to simulate. a hit with hatches open from a thermobaric weapon is a dead crew.
@moleratstew
@moleratstew Год назад
Coming soon, to another European nation near you!
@waylonk2453
@waylonk2453 Год назад
@@moleratstew Haha, no kidding. You know things have gone sideways when there are Abrams tanks deployed in Europe
@gargean1671
@gargean1671 3 года назад
IRL it uses A-IX-2, which is tad bit stronger than just RDX. Sad that it can't be modelled(
@XaHyMaH
@XaHyMaH 2 года назад
Да мехводу па-любому крышка ))
@Native_love
@Native_love 3 года назад
The angle is a perfect scenario of a ricochet into that gap or if the Abrams' nose was pointing upwards. A true "shot trap". The design of the armor makes a direct hit unlikely at a distance as the arc of path of the projectile will hit the top armor first or hit the armor onto of the driver killing him instantly. Great simulation.
@Native_love
@Native_love 3 года назад
On top of the driver. Not onto.
@leighrate
@leighrate 3 года назад
Or open sights at close range or FIBUA.
@john_smithchiropractor3931
@john_smithchiropractor3931 2 года назад
@@Native_love I was just going to say the exact thing but you beat metoit.
@fouzaialaa7962
@fouzaialaa7962 2 года назад
military history visualized mentioned in one of his videos that in WW2 the number of hits on copulas and driver hatches and week spots in general was astronomically high compared to the expectations ..... it was proof that ppl aimed for week spots in tanks ...thats why panzer 4's and panthers had many copulas and hatches revisions ... becoz soviets aimed for them an often hit them .... ppl will aim for the famous abrams shot trap when they get the chance !!!
@daverobinson3499
@daverobinson3499 Год назад
@@fouzaialaa7962 in ww2 engagements where extremely close range, good luck hitting a weak spot at 1200m plus on a target moving cross country, it just doesn't happen
@FuikaMusic
@FuikaMusic 3 года назад
Another great work!
@forsakenplant
@forsakenplant 3 года назад
I love these so much
@Fwostylicious
@Fwostylicious 3 года назад
Can you please do Swedish Spgr/M95 for the T-90 Frontal turret hit
@elusive6119
@elusive6119 3 года назад
Т-90? (Т-72УБ) Т-90А? (Т-90С) Т-90М? (Т-90АМ)
@Fwostylicious
@Fwostylicious 3 года назад
@@elusive6119 Any is fine
@Danuxsy
@Danuxsy 2 года назад
Imagine if there was some AI that would instantly generate this content whenever a comment like this came up, hmm... Demis Hassabis are you listening?
@lin837pr2
@lin837pr2 3 года назад
Here we have representation of HE russian bias of war thunder. Now try it with leo2a6 pls :)
@tomrabe8037
@tomrabe8037 Год назад
Da kannst du dir die Bilder von Kursk 1944 anschauen.
@Nick-rg8oz
@Nick-rg8oz 2 года назад
This is an extremely well done representation
@richardpage5281
@richardpage5281 9 месяцев назад
I hate when these videos end, they're so good!
@user-yp9ps5cr3r
@user-yp9ps5cr3r 2 года назад
В любом случае прямое попадание это гарантированная контузия или типа того. Первые секунд 10 экипаж будет отуплять.
@user-tn1ls2tc1k
@user-tn1ls2tc1k 2 года назад
Минус 100к мораль сразу) Это как минимум.
@user-et2mn9ui4q
@user-et2mn9ui4q 2 года назад
Они ещё не проверили попадание в крышу башни. Тест неполный, слабый, больше похоже на пропаганду
@DrDog-gc6be
@DrDog-gc6be 2 года назад
@@user-et2mn9ui4q шизик, успокойся. Никакая это не пропаганда.
@user-qv5ch3uv7g
@user-qv5ch3uv7g 2 года назад
@@DrDog-gc6be конечно нет горят хорошо.. проверено и у саудитов и в ираке.
@andreasmeyer3593
@andreasmeyer3593 3 года назад
thanks for the simulation Sam, great stuff. I was always wondering what would happen if a HE would hit the shot trap of the Abrams. Also interesting is be what would be the effects if a HESH would hit the same place on the Abrams.
@5RndsFFE
@5RndsFFE 2 года назад
Due to the way fuzes and rounds function, HESH should be more lethal should it not ricochet entirely. Seeing that with the round deforming prior to functioning that would focus the energy more, where as regular HE shells primarily use shrapnel for incapacitation and the pressure wave as a secondary effect.
@daverobinson3499
@daverobinson3499 Год назад
@@5RndsFFE hesh wouldn't work as the fuse on it wouldnt active properly, and tbh hesh is completely useless on 3rd generation mbts unless you hit the rear of the tank or drop it on the roof at a 90° angle
@P3chcic
@P3chcic 3 года назад
Dang! This is so entertaining to watch!
@deathdragon2283
@deathdragon2283 2 года назад
The internal detonation made me wonder about the overpressure effect of WWII APHE shells detonating inside of a tank after penetration. Simulating both the armor penetration and the following blast effect would probably be tricky, but you could just do what you did in this scenario and lace the projectile inside the vehicle and set it off. Maybe put a hole the diameter of the projectile into the hull just behind it, as that might affect the overpressure ever so slightly by allowing air to escape.
@stealth7545
@stealth7545 Год назад
from what i remember the shells didnt work like that 100%, although games tend to portray them that way it was more the filler helped to create and disperse shrapnel moreso than actually damage crew from overpressure or the explosion itself since having a tank shell break through steel plating would do similar things on its own without an HE filler
@BareSphereMass
@BareSphereMass 3 года назад
How long does it take to compute these? How long would it take to compute several calculations all in one animation? Also what type of computer are you using?
@famalam943
@famalam943 2 года назад
Even if a HE didn’t penetrate, I’m guessing it’s still gonna phase the crew pretty hard. Like an intense flash bang. Kinda like having a trash can on your head and someone smacks it with a bat
@iambeloved496
@iambeloved496 2 года назад
Lol
@robert122079
@robert122079 2 года назад
Let's put it this way, a 55 gallon drum of homemade explosives directly under the tank will knock you out. From my personal experience.
@Ahmed_Hasan_
@Ahmed_Hasan_ 3 года назад
What about turret roof impact
@SYsimulations
@SYsimulations 3 года назад
Maybe in the future...
@vincea1830
@vincea1830 Год назад
Now that's what I call a significant emotional event for the driver
@cursedcliff7562
@cursedcliff7562 3 года назад
There was a case during the yugoslav wars in the 90s that a T-72 was rendered inoperable by an AP shell from a 122mm howitzer, with the whole UFP bent, so any hope for high caliber AP simulations vs composite armour?
@edichkalimonoff878
@edichkalimonoff878 2 года назад
Короче, бить можно в район погона башни любым боеприпасом - даже с промахом в поллаптя как минимум водиле кранты.
@user-tt1ie4ss5b
@user-tt1ie4ss5b 2 года назад
@Moraceae Когда служил в армии, был гратометчиком (стрелком РПГ, для тех кто переводить будет) был не долгое время, после КМБ. Был на стрельбах пару раз, в этой должности. Команда при стрельбе была: Гранатометчику! Коммулитивным..Под башню... Огонь.
@vernite_nickname
@vernite_nickname 2 года назад
@@user-tt1ie4ss5b Кумулятивным, гранатомётчик, бля.
@gadykin175
@gadykin175 2 года назад
@@vernite_nickname он тебе бля команду прапорщика написал от первоисточника))
@quintongill9685
@quintongill9685 Год назад
Would love to see the results for an APHE round where the majority of energy wouldn't be lost to the outside environment
@jozseftoth9368
@jozseftoth9368 2 года назад
About the hypothetical one, even i was pretty sure, if a 125 mm tank round blows up inside the tank, it would be game over
@idiotidiot4522
@idiotidiot4522 3 года назад
3OF26 HE filler has higher detonation velocity than pure RDX
@SYsimulations
@SYsimulations 3 года назад
Unfortunately there are more material properties needed than just the detonation velocity
@heksogen4788
@heksogen4788 3 года назад
@@SYsimulations Yes, you are right. For example in trauzl test nitroglicerin score higher than HMX, despite HMX having higher detonation velocity. One could conclude that nitroglicerin create higher deformation in-situ, which is important when facing armor plate, than hmx.
@demonslayer1287
@demonslayer1287 3 года назад
@@SYsimulations For A-IX-2 the lead column expansion test value is 530cm³, which is better than 280cm³ of cast TNT or 480cm³ of pure RDX.
@demonslayer1287
@demonslayer1287 3 года назад
The superiority of aluminum explosives is its Strength, Workability, not its detonation speed.
@konstantinatanassov4353
@konstantinatanassov4353 3 года назад
I doubt that the detonator would engage under such an angle - I assume, that the engineers had this in mind when considering this gap. It is a dangerous scenario for the tank though.
@Thisious
@Thisious 3 года назад
look at where the shell is hitting on impact point 2, no question of detonator engagement and the effect is almost the same
@konstantinatanassov4353
@konstantinatanassov4353 3 года назад
@@Thisious yes, in the later scenarios it is true. I wrote about hitting the gap itself. But a bit further away from the upper hull armor results in no penetration. Dangerous it is anyways. The weak spot is the hatch. But I think the upper hull armor is not 38mm but 60mm or 70mm in thickness.
@abbc5156
@abbc5156 3 года назад
there is programmable HE that can do explosion just before reaching the target
@konstantinatanassov4353
@konstantinatanassov4353 3 года назад
@@abbc5156 yes, you mean probably Time fuzes. Still, there is an small error in determining the exact flight time, so the explosion would happen just somewhere around, but not close enough. I would rather check, what an APFSDS can do when hitting the gap.
@taskfroce80th95
@taskfroce80th95 2 года назад
1:44 “Yes! A hit!”
@Malaveldt
@Malaveldt 3 года назад
Makes me think of the death of Ortelli and the fate of 66 in Team Yankee. Very interesting simulation!
@ikill-98
@ikill-98 3 года назад
The commander : oooww my ears hey driver are you okay
@AnkunShin
@AnkunShin 3 года назад
Driver:Not Good My Head Got Explosion And I am Dead
@Hruljina
@Hruljina 3 года назад
Could you do battleship sized projectiles and ship armor? Things like 16 inch shells etc?
@lililililililili8667
@lililililililili8667 2 года назад
Battleship cannon vs one of those new tanks with the fancy reactive armor because why not.
@tcg1_qc
@tcg1_qc 2 года назад
@@lililililililili8667 reactive armor won't do shit against that. Just the shell itself without explosive would destroy the tank
@mrsquidly6395
@mrsquidly6395 3 года назад
Man these must take some time to render considering all the physics at play.
@Suvorov_Alexander
@Suvorov_Alexander 4 месяца назад
lancet: "hold my beer"
@TornadoADV
@TornadoADV 2 года назад
If I recall correctly, they've been replacing the 38mm-ish RHa plate with 50mm composite plate to protect against self forging submuntions from cluster bombs and artillery shells, would this move the needle any on direct hit HE survivability?
@Aes880
@Aes880 2 года назад
it just another plate welded on top of the old 38mm one no fancy composite armour
@krzysztofbroda5376
@krzysztofbroda5376 2 года назад
A ww2 PTAB or any kind of HEAT bomblet would go through this
@arhelimhorn2610
@arhelimhorn2610 4 месяца назад
Дроны 15-го ОМБ передают привет абрамсам
@yourlocalboaty
@yourlocalboaty 3 месяца назад
They probably use HE shells too and that at a slower rate so the damage should be smaller.
@doombringer3498
@doombringer3498 2 года назад
can you simulate probable blast-and-pressure damaging effects from 120-mm MPAT and 125-mm HEAT shells? both probably won't penetrate MBT front, but what kind of damage is to be expected?
@ogedaykhan9909
@ogedaykhan9909 2 года назад
this is beautiful
@yuxihuang6852
@yuxihuang6852 3 года назад
Gaijin be like: Driver dead = all crew dead
@eledragon
@eledragon 3 года назад
non lethal for turret crew, but for sure they are stunned and deaf. gaijin should add a incapacitated timer for the crew that survived to become battle effective again.
@demianpanassol8813
@demianpanassol8813 3 года назад
How do you do this kind simulation? What kind software does that?
@SYsimulations
@SYsimulations 3 года назад
Its called a coupled eulerian-lagrangian model where you basically have solids and liquids interacting (gasses count as liquids). Most engineering finite-element software can do this, but this one specifically is Abaqus
@demianpanassol8813
@demianpanassol8813 3 года назад
@@SYsimulations thanks man!
@ADRIAAN1007
@ADRIAAN1007 3 года назад
can you use the model after it has been hit once and simulate what would happen if a follow up he shot was made with the hole in the drivers roof
@redfruit1993z
@redfruit1993z 3 года назад
Very cool simulation! We want more! You should try FAB 5000!
@Max_Da_G
@Max_Da_G 2 года назад
There wouldn't be much left of whatever tank is unfortunate enough to receive a direct hit ANYWHERE.
@samivwow
@samivwow 3 года назад
What about a hit on the roof ? Long range plunging shot ?
@SYsimulations
@SYsimulations 3 года назад
Maybe in the future...
@AmericanIdiot7659
@AmericanIdiot7659 3 года назад
Nice pfp
@joesmittington1207
@joesmittington1207 2 года назад
I think the problem with that is theres not much return on investment as far as setting up the simulation. I mean is there really any question there? A long range plunging shot from top of the line HE shells is gonna completely fuck the entire tank. Things like this are interesting because they are nuanced.
@srenjensen3817
@srenjensen3817 2 года назад
Could you do a Schwere Gustav vs M1 ABRAMS? Some people claim that a "slow moving" 31.5inch shell can´t penetrate a modern tank.
@azureprophet
@azureprophet 2 года назад
It would flip it into the air and the crew would die.
@off6848
@off6848 Год назад
It would crush it like a tuna can
@timharnans
@timharnans 4 месяца назад
Difference in penning and bending to the point of breaking
@bryanshoemaker6120
@bryanshoemaker6120 Год назад
That's something I've never actually thought about. Pressure and Noise, even if it's just a cannonball. The sound level of a metal ball hitting that armor. That has to be painful.
@Pretzel-j3s
@Pretzel-j3s 11 месяцев назад
Safe to say the driver definitely had a mind blowing experience
@qc_ploum-zoum2
@qc_ploum-zoum2 3 года назад
Can you simulate the nose cone + the actual turret of the leo2A5 to see how it affects apfsds and make the turret almost immune to it.
@LeGrandSarrazin
@LeGrandSarrazin 3 года назад
To be clear, that was only designed to defeat Cold-War era Soviet short rod APFSDS. Western or Modern Russian long-rod APFSDS is largely unaffected by the arrowhead spaced armor. At least, not to the degree short rod is effected. There is a reason Germany is the only nation in the world to adopt it.
@qc_ploum-zoum2
@qc_ploum-zoum2 3 года назад
@@LeGrandSarrazin I know that apfsds of a certain length would not be affected much, but I thought only the newest apfsds were long enough.
@SYsimulations
@SYsimulations 3 года назад
I will be investigating this once I make a more accurate APFSDS model
@ratlingzombie8705
@ratlingzombie8705 3 года назад
Apfsds rods must be longer than 1000mm to be uneffected. I don't know how many shells reach that
@timharnans
@timharnans 4 месяца назад
@@LeGrandSarraziniirc Argentina used it on a Marder-based scout/light tank - the T.A.M.
@mikemclaughlin1268
@mikemclaughlin1268 3 года назад
Would be a hell of a shot to pull off but again amazing work simulating and rendering this :)
@destroyertashkent5713
@destroyertashkent5713 2 года назад
its actually on of the easiest spot unless the tank is hulldown
@nicolaithelen6567
@nicolaithelen6567 2 года назад
@@destroyertashkent5713 and even if it's in "hull down" position the driver's hatch can still be hit, since kinetic projectiles tend to have a ballistic arc due to their nature of being... ballistic projectiles
@drewinda810
@drewinda810 Год назад
Not sure how these tests can even be accurate given that the reactive Armour characteristics of the Abrams are classified.
@bumponalog7164
@bumponalog7164 Год назад
There is no reactive armor in that location.
@saint_alucardwarthunder759
@saint_alucardwarthunder759 2 года назад
Interesting, what if 152mm HEAT's had shrapnel, would it penetrate hull roof/UFP if it hits the turret?
@SamaelVR
@SamaelVR 3 года назад
Nice of all these dudes with high level educations to just appear on YT out of nowhere and post these accurate simulations.
@nopenope8418
@nopenope8418 3 года назад
If this impact location with an HE shell can penetrate the frontal armor of any modern tank, this means there is a major design failure there. 38.1mm is helluva thin for any part of any tank exposed to the forward quadrant, considering how the Abrams is known as a good MBT, i am surprised such a stupid mistake got through quality control.
@lsq7833
@lsq7833 3 года назад
ALL mbt's armor is optimized for LOS thickness. It's just impossible to have a homogenous protection. Those 38mm are not exposed to frontal kinetic shots.
@arczer2519
@arczer2519 3 года назад
you can't armor tank against everything, also Large caliber HE could cause mission kill anyway by destroying suspension, optics or main gun. also by using HE you sacrifice first hit probability, due to lower velocity and stepper trajectory
@Daniel-wy2kx
@Daniel-wy2kx 3 года назад
I wonder if you could put the gun barrel on, just to see if it would still be working
@genericbot7379
@genericbot7379 3 года назад
Can you do a sim of HE vs. Riveted armor, or is that to complicated to simulate?
@oculusangelicus8978
@oculusangelicus8978 2 года назад
What I would like to know is what value is being given to the strength of the Armor, Since Chobham Armor is a classified material, how has the simulation data been acquired? And Since I know the design of the Driver's hatch Armor plate I can already see that this simulation is incorrect, The Armor Plate that is the driver's hatch is thicker than what is being represented here in this simulation. The hatch for the driver is oversized and thicker that what is shown here, go look at the driver's hatch in photos that are available online. The driver's hatch is at least as thick as the Hull around it and sits higher up, so this simulation is not an accurate depiction of what might actually happen in reality.
@saulshennan6825
@saulshennan6825 2 года назад
The glacis of the Abrams is 1.5" of RHA at 7 degrees from horizontal. It is not compound armor. The driver's hatch is a little thicker in places but there are several voids for the driver's optics.
@vasily4748
@vasily4748 2 года назад
Враньё! 125 мм пробивает Абрамс под башню.
@crimvaell701
@crimvaell701 2 года назад
Когда у всех всё хорошо, страдает только один водитель Абрамса.
@mikhail-yug-9581
@mikhail-yug-9581 2 года назад
To all the people saying: "but its actual thickness is classified" or "muh my Chobham armour" This isn't that complicated, you don't have to crew one of these to know the thickness of the UFP, it's actually one of the easiest information to acquire about this tank. Even if you look at pictures of people sitting in the driver's position, you can see the simple, yet insanely angled 38-40 mm plate. And that's the point, there is no composite armour there, since it's quite unlikely that the tank is going to be hit there.
@bigb018
@bigb018 3 года назад
Man I sure hate it when my tank gets injected with hypervelocity gasses.
@cubanpete3444
@cubanpete3444 2 года назад
Russian tanks will not see where Abrams is firing at them. Commander I see a flash, boom ...
@K_GHOST225
@K_GHOST225 3 года назад
I'd like to make a point that the specific area it hit on the first simulation is MORE armored due to the drivers hatch than the model would show but likely doesn't change the results.
@WinstonBuford
@WinstonBuford 2 года назад
who's to say it would have landed on that side? its at least a 50/50 so your being pedantic. are you offended?
@Doomsday499
@Doomsday499 2 года назад
@@WinstonBuford Who's to say they give a shit about your comment? It's at least a 50/50 so you're being pedantic, are you malding?
@syahareensharani6869
@syahareensharani6869 2 года назад
"They've killed our driver, We're covering his position but not very well" -WoT Commander
@USViper
@USViper Год назад
From what we have seen in Ukraine, the Abrams would have destroyed the cheap T90 and sent its turret flying in the Ukrainian sky.
@shipovnik89
@shipovnik89 Год назад
So you're thinking tank operators like an idiot jump on your Abrams head-on? First learn tank tactics somewhere other than War Thunder. By the way, we are waiting, we have already announced good money for Leopards, for Abrams bounty will be much more.
@USViper
@USViper Год назад
@@shipovnik89 Kind of like the idiot russian prisoners they released into the military? 😂🤣😂
@Cleon851
@Cleon851 Год назад
@@shipovnik89 I’ve seen videos of crispy Russian tankers being pissed on lmfao
@nemisous83
@nemisous83 2 года назад
Also keep in mind a 125mm HE shell would absolutely destroy the main gun and turret drives so the tank would be rendered combat ineffective.
@jaffacalling53
@jaffacalling53 2 года назад
Makes you wonder why tanks even bother with APFSDS when enough high explosive will disable the tank anyway, along with killing the driver because lol 30mm hull armor.
@nemisous83
@nemisous83 2 года назад
@@jaffacalling53 largely because of ballistic drop the gun has to be elevated to pretty much 30 degrees just to hit a target 2km out.
@nemisous83
@nemisous83 2 года назад
@@sceptillion6847 how so ? The laser range finder auto adjusts the reticle to the correct elevation the only way it would be off is if the tank is moved ng which in that case the round would hit higher which increases the chance of damaging the main gun and gun cradle
@nemisous83
@nemisous83 2 года назад
@@sceptillion6847 yes but you are assuming both tanks fire at exactly the same time. If the T-72 fires first the Abrams won't be able to fire it's main gun and eve if it could the accuracy would be thrown away off.
@AntonBoymer
@AntonBoymer 3 года назад
Please, make a 3bm42 test against the lower frontal part of the m1a1 and m1a2 housing
@grahammutter8655
@grahammutter8655 Год назад
I'm glad they put a bit to show that a 125mm detonating inside the tank would in fact kill the crew. I wasn't sure.
@Polish-Bread
@Polish-Bread 2 года назад
Awesome simulation. Thankfully, there is no way that T-90 would have enough fuel to get to the battlefield.
@emperorofwarusthundus
@emperorofwarusthundus Год назад
I love how americans say we hav ethe best tank Russia:you really think?
@fredliperson9171
@fredliperson9171 2 года назад
This is why many main battle tanks now use layered composites in their armor lay ups ..... Disipates pent up energy better..
@Hazztech
@Hazztech 2 года назад
The abrams seems to have a heck of a shot trap
@TheMichaelBeck
@TheMichaelBeck Год назад
I was an M1A1 gunner during Desert Storm in 4th Battalion 70th Armor the battalion that destroyed an entire Iraqi Republican Guards division in less than two hours during the battle named "Madina Ridge". Our tank showed a few small caliber impacts. Other than that we weren't touched. We were way outside the range of the Iraqi tanks and their brief artillery fell nowhere near us. The M1A1 & M1A2s are incredibly well designed. I hope the Ukrainians get some tanks soon. Slava Ukraini!
@user-zl1gc4rr4x
@user-zl1gc4rr4x Год назад
Воевать с русскими не тоже самое что с иракцами
@name12361
@name12361 Год назад
You rlly think anyone can defeat russia?😂
@user-zl1gc4rr4x
@user-zl1gc4rr4x Год назад
@@name12361 And what did I write?
@Hunter_Bidens_Crackpipe_
@Hunter_Bidens_Crackpipe_ Год назад
T90 superior as always
@Leo-eh8hm
@Leo-eh8hm Год назад
t-90 lie with torn off towers in eastern ukraine
@shipovnik89
@shipovnik89 Год назад
@@Leo-eh8hm your fake ass lie torn off all over internets
@lmao.3661
@lmao.3661 Год назад
😂😂😂
@rajaydon1893
@rajaydon1893 Год назад
the same sh*t might happen to t90
@pepsi2024
@pepsi2024 3 года назад
Amazing!!!
@Beefbucket_
@Beefbucket_ 3 года назад
what do you use to simulate these
@Tiniuc
@Tiniuc 3 года назад
These are all really cool, but are you able to do something like a weaponized laser simulation too? I'd like to see that, personally!
@danielsteger8456
@danielsteger8456 3 года назад
its just heating metal until it evaporates...
@blaineburgess
@blaineburgess 2 года назад
remember, this only taking into account the armor that you’re told about.
@jakubukleja2553
@jakubukleja2553 2 года назад
Is it reasonable to think that a shot from an ISU-152 (or similar) landing in the gap between the hull and the turret and detonating would rip off the turret completely, regardless of how well armoured the tank might be? Modern composite armor being equal to 100cm of steel is all well and good, but surely the pressure generated by what is essentially a kilogram of tnt would completely destroy the bearings holding the turret in place?
@stephenjackson6022
@stephenjackson6022 2 года назад
what software do you use for this simulation?
@obj.071
@obj.071 3 года назад
now im wandering what effect would have 152/155 mm he on t-72/90... there is a descent reason for artillery regiments practice direct fire with 152mm howitzers, right?
@mambapopenhoffer8706
@mambapopenhoffer8706 Месяц назад
Ripley: How many drops is this for you, Lieutenant? Gorman: Thirty eight... simulated. Vasquez: How many *combat* drops? Gorman: Uh, two. Including this one.
@Rubberduckzillas
@Rubberduckzillas 3 года назад
Any simulation vs the turret roof/cupola?
@Altair885
@Altair885 2 года назад
Doesn't really matter where you penetrate the hull, the pressure from the blast will effect the whole of the crew compartment, don't forget it's basically just a big sealed box with people inside. Even if they aren't in direct line of the incoming debris etc they will all suffer from the same injuries as a result of the sudden pressurisation of the compartment, which could quite easily be fatal! And if it's not fatal it will almost certainly prevent them from being able to carry on operating the vehicle, in which case they are defenceless against further attack, they'd be toast basically.
@user-et2mn9ui4q
@user-et2mn9ui4q 2 года назад
You must test turret roof penetration case
@ArcticWipeout
@ArcticWipeout 2 года назад
Even though it's not lethal that has to do some damage to the crew and make the tank inoperable for a while.
@mr.contentdeleted9660
@mr.contentdeleted9660 2 года назад
What happens if a hesh shell hits wood i need to know what would happen cause wood is softer then metal would is absorb the blast or get completely demolished ?
@meki___6881
@meki___6881 3 года назад
Could you please do a hesh vs he comparison because I have a felling hesh should perform atlest simular to he even more so because hesh contains more explosive than a similar sized he
@RadarLeon
@RadarLeon 2 года назад
Kinda why i would like a redesign with an off center driver compartment on the right with cameras and engine in the front also 2 interlocking drum mags and a non crewed turret
@whywhy5058
@whywhy5058 2 года назад
What simulation thing are you using?
@_R-R
@_R-R 2 года назад
Translation: A tank driver has a similar combat survivability chance as a WW2 ball turret gunner.
@velvetthundr
@velvetthundr 2 года назад
Could you do the same test except the HE round hitting the roof of the turret? That’s how you can get an overpressure kill in War Thunder.
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