Thanks to all the viewers that send me cool stuff like this. More translations to come! If you want to see our existing videos on Chinese Martial Arts: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6m816g8Cpj8.html Fight Commentary Chats for interviews with different martial artists: ru-vid.com/show-UCPLNOnmT8MtZJzIMCElyHMg The video in question that I analyzed: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-PJQs7IirK2o.html The original is somewhere on YouKu, but I couldn't find the source, so I'm attributing the place on RU-vid where it sits.
The stories are to help you remember the techniques. Whether true or not is irrelevant. The back up and punch move was used by Maywearher,Emanuel Augustus, and Roy Jones Jr. Some resulting in knockput.
Repulse monkey love that move. We use it to block incoming punches until a foot is freed up to take out a knee cap or give a nice groin kick. Also can be used to get into a nice grab, although this master had his feet moved thru that position too quickly to see. There is so much to add to the coiling and trapping and root distruction that is taiji, not visible in this sparing and as you mentioned the angles. His hits also looked very hit like tiger, more so than just a punch, so more round than straight. But there is more when you play with that incoming energy, stay inside, stay outside, cross it, turn it, add to it and return that energy. I liked also how you said take the art and have them make it his or hers. I have been telling students that for many years. Everyone is built alittle different, make it work for you.
Ramsey Dewey mentioned an example of the single tough Tai Chi dude he met. What it boils down to was that the tough Tai Chi dude understood the intricacies of grappling (likely on stand up).
If you look at Taijiquan Tui Shou(Push Hands) competitions, especially "moving step", you can see that it's a very upper-body oriented grappling style a lot like greco-roman or sumo. See this video ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Px_KPhucYqA.html for example.
@@guangarmy9246 i dont think xiaodong would fight him... he respects legit and take revenge on the frauds. Though that would be really entertaining to watch
Jerry here are some timecodes that you forgot: Technique 1 (Gou Rou Shou): 0:20 Technique 2 (Reversing Monkey): 2:58 Technique 3 (no name): 8:22 Coach Zhang's qualifications: 10:24
Coach looks sharp! It seems that what he's doing here is taking some of Tai Chi's grappling-based moves and applying them in a striking context. Much harder, due to the speed required.
The yang style master he mentioned was 6'4". This Sanda Coach was a real deal. He took part in matches, so what he said was believable. He was in the ring before
Gotta love how whenever anyone tries to make stuff like Tai Chi work, people still try their hardest to denounce it. Like Jesus, if you don't think it'd work as it is, try it yourself and make it work for you. It's not that hard.
Hey Jerry, I really love this kind of video because it 1. delves into how to make TMA effective in combat sports, 2. explores the current Chinese martial arts climate, 3. contains a lot of Chinese language, 4. and even sheds some light on modern Chinese history. I would love to keep seeing this kind of video because it exactly matches all of my interests. I also think using this video for your Jerry Teaches Chinese channel would attract intermediate to advanced Chinese language learners like me. Thanks again for the amazing content. Keep it up!
Jerry you’re correct about the feints causing you to open up your face, and if you stand still this is a big problem. You’re supposed to combine footwork along with these hand techniques so you move off centerline. At least in bagua, where working toward the outside of the opponents guard is a main priority. Basically combining slipping to the outside. Also that covering in motion, the first covering in motions he’s showing, if I throw a straight it can become a covering in if needed. Straight in or hooking in both can easily change to cover or slap inward/downward. But with the smaller movements it does not contain the strike as well. So the strike contains the covering in movement, the idea here is use large movements to start and learn, refining over time into smaller movements. Large contains the small changes but small does not contain the large. Combining things saves time training when there is so much material to train whatever art you choose to train.
this video shows that there is and always has been, Kung Fu masters who, knowing their deficiency in combat efficiency, tried to train other styles to improve the style in which they were taught. however they were seen as "traitors" for adding non-Chinese techniques, since they did not like foreigners, the sanda arose because a group of Kung Fu fighters seeing the deficiency in combat, sought to train other different styles, and mixing with those who work in several Chinese styles, this channel, besides bringing videos of challenges, shows how the best RU-vid channel evolved.
Yeah, that first Sanda Coach interview I translated was so cool. I might do another translation soon too! There are other coaches who were interviewed too, from the comments on that analysis.
@Michael Terrell II yes this truebut before there were masters who, knowing of its inefficiency, started to look for new mechanisms to improve the Chinese style, and yes the Chinese communist government was looking for an effective martial art method to combat what you mentioned is right, it was even a my hypothesis, which became true in a video from this channel, just look for what you think in which one of the creators of sanda mentioned this story.
@@canaldesugestoesa6651 Dude what do you mean always have been? You mean since 200 years ago right? Which is as far back as any known kung fu styles can be traced.
The ancient martial arts are designed to face life and death situation not for sport tournament with rules or regulations. If you can't destroy your opponent, run away if you can.
I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Kung fu used to be called Chinese boxing in the west. A lot of the traditional Chinese martial arts seems to have a lot of parallels with western boxing, especially in its earlier bare knuckle era and the open hand strikes and other unusual strikes and trapping makes a lot more sense without gloves. The difference in effectiveness comes down more to the fact that Chinese martial arts went down the path of focusing on forms and pretty movements while boxing continued as a sport where boxers had to fight each other and develop their skills in live competition. Techniques aren’t what makes martial arts effective but how they’re trained and tested.
It is very good and useful. Boxing definitely. MMA I’m not so sure. Leaves your rib cage open for attack from either side. That being said I am gonna add this technique I’m my combo drills, especially good for backing up. This technique can apply for a few takedowns as well. Thanks for sharing this video. 🙏
LOL, anyone who could knock out a gorilla would be superhuman. Prime Mike Tyson couldn't KO a gorilla, all he'd accomplish is creating a really pissed off gorilla, followed by Tyson getting mutilated.
Yeah, I forgot to mention this in my analysis, but Gorillas also have much more upper body strength. Basically, there's another ratio called the dimorphism index (i'm purposefully avoiding the other word for obvious reasons), and Gorillas (and even Chimps) are much higher in that. What that means is the the males and females look very different when it comes to body strength. So a gorilla not only had more reach but also WAY MORE power in his strikes. Even Chimps can beat humans and chimps are smaller than humans.
@@ck552 yeah, there could always be the chance that the palace that Yang Lu Chan guarded might have pulled out the Gorilla's biggest teeth or something, but still, the bite is no joke. There's probably another jaw measurement index of how powerful it clamps. Now I want to search all of this ;)
@@FightCommentary And of course they also have thicker skulls, smaller brains, with a short and very thick, very strong neck. I think one would need a baseball bat to KO a full grown adult male chimp or gorilla. And the primate in question would have to be polite enough to hold perfectly still for you to take your best swing.
@@ck552 So here is something I thought about the more I talked to other viewers. Basically, I decided to look it up even more after a post by the viewer Dave. One thing I didn't realize until watching some gorillas running around is that Gorillas are not bipedal like humans, so even though they have much more reach because of long arms and strength because of bigger frame, their heads are much more forward when they strike or grapple because their upper body is kind of at a 45 degree angle since they walk with their hands touching the ground. Guess that makes it possible, if Yang Lu Chan's story is true, for him to actually connect with a punch as a smaller person moving backwards from the Gorilla's attack. My reference for Gorilla behavior: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-wJy2B6lefVc.html So if it were a smaller gorilla (maybe a teenager or younger) who also was lost and not trying to eat everyone in the palace, then maybe Yang Lu Chan has a chance.
Thank you for the video and the analysis, you brought up some interesting points like expansive parries leaving you open and it being easier to parry someone wearing boxing gloves, when your hands are free. From limited experience I would say that it is easier to parry a gloved attack because you see it much sooner. Fast bare knuckle attacks you don’t always see to be able to react to. I have been taught that Tai Chi Chuan is mainly a counterattacking style incorporating strikes and grappling. The first technique shown by the coach is very similar to a technique (Gyrating Arms)in the system that I practice
I comb the internet looking for any authentic applications/practice of "internal martial arts"-- this guy's video is in my top 3 so far, because it completely demystifies tai chi/xing yi, etc and at least put it into some kind of recognizable fighting context. Glad you found it and reviewed it.
thanks for sharing this. In defence of the coaches two points, first on your critic on what about feinting. I think he is teaching in the context of incoming aggressive combos (no pulling punches ) which often do happen. In this context the more contact circular parries will most likely work as diversions. Of course you have to train in combination to counter snappy punches too. You wouldn't use this kind of parry if that is the case. As for the second critic regarding letting the student adapting the technique to his own suitability, yes eventually. But he / she has to understand the original concept of the technique first. Here in the example the coach was explain you need to make space by retreating to get out of the entanglement to counter, otherwise you can't punch. This makes a lot of sense in context.
he's doing sticky hands like in wing chun. It is well known that parrying in sports like boxing / muay Thai is supposed to be with the smallest hands movements possible, for efficiency and maintaining guard etc. I'm not a kung Fu person but I can see that with the sticky hands method , the aim is to maintain control of the opponent's arms. And to do so in a manner that doesn't require vision (wing chun people do this drill blindfolded a lot a high speed). Many of the very highest level of pro boxers like Roberto Duran or Vasily lomachenko used this as a fundamental technique too. They don't even wait for a strike but actually pry opponents guard open and then pull opponents hand down , holding onto it in whatever whey they can manage.
It's not just kickboxing or MMA that teaches to parry that way and to do small movements. One of the first things my Kung Fu instructor corrected was that he taught me to do smaller motions with my blocks and to keep them in tight. Also, while trapping is easier with big gloves, you can still definitely do it without them. It's just a bit more difficult because you have to be a bit more precise. It's definitely possible though, and we occasionally see handfighting that is somewhat similar to trapping in MMA, it's usually used to move a person's guard in that context.
Motions big or small doesn't matter , it's the same. If someone trains properly , he should be able to do the same movement in all kinds of possible length. The way you train is not the same as how you fight , to train how to fight , you need to fight.
You are not seeing his parrying correctly. He is not using the hands but the wrist joint and forearm. Which gives greater leverage to turn your opponent than hands and fingers. I take your point about gloves though.
a lot of TCMA are best implemented alongside training as a counterstriker in boxing imo, it's where the ingrained forms are most applicable, TCMA create loads of small openings in the opponent's guard when applied effectively, but usually does nothing effective with those small windows of opportunity, boxing's counterpunching fills in the gaps really well.
@@clementtsang5825 because we all know Chuck Norris jokes are JOKES. Not meant to be taken seriously. Unless there is a clear distinction made by these coaches and masters that these are tall tales, they need to be called out. Take your nationalism elsewhere.
@@FightCommentary Jerry, unlike what this Clement dummy thinks, I say you're a kungfu apologist. You're always trying to make kungfu look good when it is mostly ineffective. I think that's what you need to examine. Stop even trying to appease people like Clement. He's obviously never trained.
The parry doesn't work quite the way you describe, it is more like covering/drawing the opponent's hand than slapping it out of the way. It works with gloves on, because you aren't using your fingers or palm to cover - your wrists and elbows are not bending, the power comes from the waist. Some more examples (with boxing gloves on): ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-qNeHKGdoG3U.html
Was going to say the same thing. Hes not making big movements with his arms, the elbows arent actually moving much at all... it's the waist/dantian that's controlling the movement. It's much easier and safer when you isolate the elbows and CONTROL the arms by MOVING the waist... big waist movement does not equal big arm movement (even though it appears that way)
At about 8:07 I do agree that you should let the art fit the student, but the guy was trying to demonstrate the reversing technique where you step backwards, but the student did a completely different technique, it's like if you're mma coach asked you to demonstrate a double leg and instead you did a single leg, or if he asked for a jab but you did a cross, it might have been a great single leg or a great cross, but it's not what you're supposed to be practicing at that moment y'know what I mean?
About the story around 5 minutes in. So before the printing press was around and writing shit down was a more tedious task, there was a memory technique that was employed. In this technique, you would attach the most crazy thing you could think of around the thing you wanted to remember. So I think that's how we get a lot of these *WILD* stories through history.
I remember leaving a comment on a Ramsey Dewey video about Jack Dempsey's striking methodology and I mentioned that I learned a lot of those body mechanics from Taijiquan. Ramsey, in his infinite Mormon wisdom, replied and told me that Taijiquan is grappling, not striking. I later found out that he learned this from having basically tussled a bit with an elderly Taijiquan practitioner. But the thing is, if all you do is pushing hands, you're going to analyze the 108 form and think it's all somehow there to teach you pushing hands. If you do Sanda, you're going to look at the 108 form and see punches, kicks, blocks, parries and maybe even some hand trapping. But prior to the Republican era, Taijiquan was a martial art insofar as that it was for the military, including the palace guard. The 108 form is an invention of the early Republican era, and it's a distillation of fundamental unarmed movements of the art, using broad and exaggerated movements. I think if you want to get close to the origins, you have to think in terms of bare knuckles. Think in terms of wanting to get a motherfucker off of you long enough to get to your side arm, without breaking your hand on the bastard's face so you can't wield it. Maybe "repulse monkey" is just grabbing someone by the collar, stepping back to pull his head down and forward and then ramming your palm hard into his nose. No, not in pushing hands and not in Sanda, but maybe those aren't the end all or the be all of Taijiquan, just a way to sharpen your reflexes a bit. Maybe it would take a lifetime to figure out everything and anything you can do with just the movements in the 108 form, let alone the weapons forms. Maybe Taijijian is the real art and everything else is just a warmup. I honestly don't know, but it could be that. Military personnel always prioritized their weapons, even the bodyguards.
. @@FightCommentary oh it says 'purwapada' and is from a script called hanacaraka which was used in java before the Latin alphabet was inteoduced. Maybe I'll learn to read it one day haha. It its kind if complicated. Glad you like it 😁
You attack the guard and move it away and strike off the trap that occurs, much move effective then simply parrying punches, their counter strike is not a threat because you manipulate and control the hand and arm, very effective
Your point about his movements being too large and leaving gaps for exploitation is covered in what we know of Taichi teaching material. Students start with the "large frame" forms with much arm waving and exaggerated stepping to learn the movements and principles. They then (should) graduate to the "small frame" forms where the principles are applied in smaller movements. How much further it goes than that I cannot say, of course.
Taichi is 90% wrestling and joints locks (that's why it's considered "soft style" which doesn't "hurt" the opponent, Taichi mostly takedown and lock), it's not for striking like many people believe !!!
The idea of tai chi imo is to controll the weight of your opponent and follow and redirect when you have to. But in order to do so the upper body must not be so tense, and here comes the problem when wanting to combine some tai chi tactics with styles like boxing, muay thai etc...
great mixte of (Martial art)sticky hand and boxing from the Sanda Coach, it's one of the exemple of real sticky hand. great question and analyse from you, for the faint and glove
Trapping and copping works in sanda/ kickboxing but only if you use footwork and head movement, when you cup a jab with, lets say, your lead left hand, going left to right, your head should slip to the left, bringing your shoulders up to protect the chin, learned this in sanda, seen it in muay thai and any other kickboxing form
Most of more traditional Yang TaiJiquan striking is counterstriking so we normally don't repeat it so often. It is in the principle he attacks first but I hit first. In the retreat monkey there is also a throw hidden into it and eventually a heel back-kick as well but this just in the way he shows the form alone toward the beginning of that movement and as I learnt it in the first repetition of my long form. Normally the foot do in Yang style a different thing and the core of the movement becomes the hands.
Taiji movements are big because contact is maintained to control limbs then balance. If control is lost then you flow into a different movement cutting the first short. And you move at 45°angles.
Retreat and repulse the monkey can be used to counter attack the clinch. The lower hand catches the leg as the opponent strikes with knee, though the back leg looks to be retreating, in application, it is counter balancing the weight, and causes the body to spin 180 while the clinchers leg is pulled up to your waist the strike is used to break their grip and cause damage as they are thrown to the floor. No-one ever tried the clinch twice after receiving this throw when I was sparring with teachers of other styles.
This is a good video and explanation. Give non TCMA practitioner a good show that the forms are just forms only for motor skill drills, the variation in application from form are how you use it. The gloves used in sanda are not so blocky and are more rounded in shape at least during my time, so it's somewhat easier to trap. But frankly after training long enough, you can trap with any gloves on. Its like getting a seasoned judoka and glove him, he still can throw. His techniques are definitely effective, but recent scoring prefer trippings as the points are easier to award if you fell your opponent. If you punch the person and his head does not recoil enough visually, the corner judge may not award the point. .
The idea of angled movement vs linear movement is interesting. In sport karate we see alot of Blitzing forward, like in sport fencing. You control the range and then power forward and then pull back and reset. We see men like the Iceman retreat backwards and throw counters down the middle. Same with the dragon. Distance and timing play a huge part in this, and also does movement, but I also wonder if breaking the rules of angular fighting has an affect on the opponent? Someone trained like in Muay Thai, who is use to see angeled patterns. Now he sees something completely different. I wonder how much levels of training and conditioning play a factor in making any tactics work.
My favourite fighting channel 😉.. I'm getting more and more curious how you can have such good knowledge about martial arts?!. All of them. Hell... I've done taekwondo for 19 years, judo for many many years, karate for some 3-5 years and I'm not unfamiliar with muay thai since I live in Thailand. I'm 49 and competed a lot but I haven't even got 10% of your knowledge. Hats of to that 😊❤️from Thailand 🇹🇭
I don't think I have any particular more knowledge than anyone else. I just like to watch, learn and think. I also surround myself with very skilled people who can destroy me in two seconds. That's all. Thanks for watching the channel. Appreciate your support! I'm going to introduce channel memberships soon, so that will be another way to share more with people like you!
@@heavymeddle28 BTW, there's another viewer in Thailand that also trains. You guys should meet up! He's a Muay Thai guy. I need to find his account! Really appreciate your support!
@0::50 WTF! That's what my Sifu does to me, I still have trouble pulling it off myself. He's actually doing more than the parry there is a circular motion that he's doing that lets him slip in the punches on both sides, one clockwise, the other counter clockwise. When you do it right its hard for the opponent's brain to process the movement.
Nice video. I noticed the gloves right away but what I didn’t see mentioned was the height difference. I’m taller, like the coach. Most trap and strike comes from overhand. I wonder how well he would do hitting from below
I think the only difference between Gou Rou and normal parrying is that Gou Rou is actively closing the distance between you and opponent. Similarly there are other tai chi parrying that pushing opponent away while blocking the attack. Many traditional martial art are deliberately controlling the distance with attack and defence rather than pure footwork and pure dodge because they cannot predict if the opponent would pull out any weapon. Therefore it is smarter to hit and run at same time. I think what the coach is trying to say is Yang was not just blocking the ape, Yang is moving out of the way of the ape while stumbled it, the moral of the story is don't go against the opponent in front if they are much stronger than you. maybe the coach has a strong accent which makes his words hard to understand
pulling punches in training is ok , as long as one spends some time on the heavy bag every week. the heavy bag is for full power work, and without it, we might not be able to really connect in a fight. just my two cents. cheers
often with trapping and parrying the structure you're are using is from the hands to the elbows. using boxing gloves might hinder your hands a little but it doesnt throw your trapping out the window.
the guy has stories but I mean, I've known boxing and kickboxing trainers that gave quality instruction but weren't above dubious anecdotes and tall tales. I think it adds to the experience of learning from them! Hard to comment on the merit of the man's techniques, since idk anything about sanda or it's rule sets. Looks like variations of pretty standard techniques tho, like you said.
Salsa ;) It's interesting because Bruce Lee's JKD apparently has some cha cha and Lomachenko and Shevchenko did dance for many years. So dancing can only help the fighting if it makes you more coordinated and flexible.
I think one proof of Taichi that works is Nick Osipczak and I think Ramsey Dewey ever sparred with a legit Taichi. Perhaps you can make a commentary on that sometime, thankyou.
Nick got good before he “found” tai chi. His first (only) fight after getting into TTC he tried to stand up with a great striker (well done Kyle Redfern) and had his orbital bone broken, so had to go to the ground. I have met and sparred with Nick, he is extremely good, one of the best athletes I ever met, but his TCC was poor at best.
Many Chinese or Taiwanese American martial artists who emigrated from the mainland, such as William Chen of New York city ( a Tai chi disciple of the famed Cheng Man Ching), have long known that the standard of Tai chi in Both China and Hong Kong has been deteriorating since the cultural revolution in China! Bob Klein was a student of William Chen(who won the Taiwanese boxing tournaments in the sixties). His functional Tai chi is extremely different from the one demonstrated here, in that there is little blocking .Instead of retreating, he will attempt to spin behind an opponent or weave fluidly between the punches.Bob operates a You Tube channel called Zookinesis and is founder of the Long Island School of Tai chi Chuan. It would be good if you would investigate him or William Chen (also on Facebook) in order to find out what actually characterizes true Tai chi . Maybe , William has footage of the Taiwanese tournaments which he won. This may help to clear up a lot of Kung -Fusion !
He's punching with his chin all high. I don't see the beast part. Unless you're talking about Jerry. Jerry looks like the guy that girls call when they're feeling down. So he's no beast either.
Your line on "letting a tudent make the Martial Art his own" is such BS :-D First the student needs to learn and understand the martial art. And once they master the things that they are taught, only then they can start changing things to fit themselves.
It's not that simple. If the "martial art" just doesn't work, then he's just wasting his time trying to master it. But I get what you mean. Not saying you're wrong.
@@FightCommentary As an aikidoka, I have seem far too many examples of people who "made it their own" and when going to the classes, they don't cover some of the basic topics which make a difference between being able to use the Martial Art over simply just just learning an Art Form of Aikido. And then their students make That Aikido their own...... Like a bad copy of a broken record. Just to give you an example of basic subjects people almost nbever cover in Aikido training, I've made a video a some time ago, feel free to look it up: Aikido... Nobody strikes like that any more! Or do they?
Thanks for the subtitling man, although the stuff is pretty obvious by itself, it's nice to actually understand what he says. I've been reviewing this video last year and adapted some of the shown techniques to our wing chun classes. We've practiced them bare hands and in speed. It's doable, and after a little practice they turn out quite useful, of course we are not professional boxers, but for the average fighting hobbyist they work out well.
You touched on this at the end about gloves, but I was definitely wondering with that move at the start, was larger than boxing parries because of gloves. Wouldn't using a smaller ungloved hand to parry a smaller ungloved fist potentially require more movement than vs bulky gloved hands?
One thing you see and it's here this video students fear their instructor. It's natural, but it really hammers one to go full out. My Wing Chun Do instructor from my first day I probed his wing Chun.. It is different than others. Using what I already know to mess around with Sigung... No fear of getting get... Just respect. There is issues in wing Chun. He uses me as. Never give ground or a kicker like Len will take advantage of the space.
Many things can work. All I do is practice tai chi non stop, but I also box, wrestle, and do bjj. Nothing is perfect on its own in mma or street fight. All arts have a flaw. He is also using the cloud hands blocking or parry that you see. On a high level, if they feint your punch your suppose to still stick to them and close the distance. The block is supposed to be an attack as well. People forget tai chi is kind of like a stand up grappling martial art like judo. Its not a full striking martial art. Tai chi should be used to wear down attacks, close distance, and then engage in a judo type clinch situation to get takedowns, defend take downs, or wear them down and prepare for submitting ppl. Also people ALWAYS FORGET about Nick Osipczak or super nova Nick. He was in UFC for some decent fights, has his own youtube channel on how he shows tai chi being useful for clinch situations, and other grappling scenarios. But he's used it in the cage already in combination with bjj. It's not bad really. Do research on your fighters that were already successful please. He does yang Style tai chi as well. Like a 24 step form. Chen style tai chi has more aggressive attacks in it. Check out some Chen style applications or self defense stuff.
It's not a bad demo, but it lacks the internal structure and mechanics that make it special. A good tai chi practitioner would not just deflect and strike at the same time, there's advanced body mechanics involved that involves sticking to your partner wherein it also neutralize his power and de-stabilize his centre. It's a bit hard to explain in text, and even with this skill, it's not a guarantee you will win against a superior opponent regardless of your martial art.
I don’t think the “teacher” had any formal traditional neijia training (no wai san he, no rooting etc). Nevertheless he can kick ass for sure pretty well, inspite of having some minor lacks in covering and technique in terms of western boxing.
I think there are a place for some of these moves, but I think they require a bit of setup for them to work. there are gifted fighters who do have such an unorthodox style that just works for them and replicating them isn't really possible
The ultimate way to find out if these martial artists aren't full of crap is for them to fight in an MMA match. It looks really cool, but all his movements are based on his opponent doing the moves he wants him to do.
It wasn’t a gorilla! It was a monkey, called a “rock ape” which were used often like guard dogs. That is why it is called step back and repulse he MONKEY. Nobody is knocking out a monkey.
Ive done mma and tai chi, idk what the deal is with tai chi... (Ive read... lots of things) theres no real pressure testing for any of the moves ive ever practiced, when i practiced at home or off the side with a mma buddy or teacher (lol) they never work. The most ive found use for it is ive felt like doing tai chi has actually helped me understand how to move my body for mt/bjj more naturally. It helped me understand how to use the necessary body parts and get the slightest things in unison in way that im not sure would have happened the same or how long it would have taken to click had i not done tai chi. Especially with jj i feel it has helped me understand how to have a flow with bjj moves and forms, and made me apply my balance and weight properly and more smoothly. But everytime in tai chi when the instuctor remembers its supposed to be a martial art, its just bad, and i mean idk i just cant be sympathetic to anyone doing tai chi thinking they can fight, its still kinda fucked up but at the same time i honestly believe all ma are selling the same bullshido lie including mma, so i think everything is guilty of it. Alot of people do mma think theyre hot and get their ass kicked. I think the difference is mma can decrease the ass whooping recieved and does offer the potential for an individual to put in the effort to transform themselves. All i can say for tma, it may have good things, honestly im interested in most of them even tho im on the mma side when it comes down to it, i still am interested in every ma, tkd might build bad habits but i do believe it has kicks which can be used in real situations and has something to teach and improve ones kicking overall. Tma may have useful things for fighters but not necessarily things for a fight. But they do not appear to offer any advantage in a fight imo to anyone that does mma and tma... (Except maybe tkd).
I dunno but i personally think that a lot of TMA trapping/deflections come from the use of (sounds bad i know) chi to direct a certain amount of force onto a very minimal surface contact point in which case the efficacy of the block/deflection will be increased. This is just my personal reflection/reasoning for the way some of these implementations might've been used in the past. Sounds far-fetched i know, but at least it makes sense mechanically speaking (considering you believe energy to be a mechanical source of the universe in the first place).
TBH, in a real life fight (ON THE STREETS), you will not have much chances to do ANY parrying or counterattacks because it will last less than a minute on average. This is a FACT!!!
Yup , people don't understand , without gloves , most people would break their hand throwing a punch like that. If someone how a really tough jaws , good luck on the punch.
Kickboxing & mma since 04, Tai chi since 2013. Tai chi absolutely has principles to offer to improve fighting. It takes a ton of sparring to make it functional tho.
10:31 I like the choice of music. This is "Alte Kameraden", one of the most famous German military marches. It was composed in the 19th century, but of course used a lot in Nazi Germany as well.
@@FightCommentary On RU-vid, I believe there are two main versions: vocal and instrumental. Both sound awesome. The one playing in this video is the instrumental version.
@@FightCommentary That may be. But I also think a lot of Chinese (mainly guys) are genuinely interested in German culture, and their military performance in WWII.
@@SandBorrito I decided to look it up even more! One thing I didn't realize until watching some gorillas running around is that Gorillas are not bipedal like humans, so even though they have much more reach because of long arms, their heads are much more forward when they strike or grapple because their upper body is kind of at a 45 degree angle since they walk with their hands touching the ground. Guess that makes it possible if Yang Lu Chan's story is true for him to actually connect with a punch as a smaller person moving backwards from the Gorilla's attack. My reference for Gorilla behavior: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-wJy2B6lefVc.html
@@FightCommentary wasn’t he telling the story to illustrate how the name came to be? Kinda like how people are named Jason after the Jason that went and killed a dragon and stole some Golden Fleece for the gods and shit? Those stories are usually embellished right? Also yeah, gorillas usually walk on four legs, however if a gorilla was charging, it would actually do big leaps forward, so even if the master was lucky and hit the gorilla, the pure weight and force would’ve knocked the master down.
His version mention hei xingxing which is a chimpanzee. They are significantly smaller than da xingxing which means gorilla. Still wouldn't mess with a chimp tho they are crazy strong
Gorillas also weren’t in China then doc. Maybe they brought orangutans but a gibbon is more likely and those aren’t nearly as strong, in terms of absolute not relative strength.
It would make more sense if it were a Gibbon, but the coach said Gorilla. Now there were Africans in China at that point, so maybe someone gifted the Gorilla to the palace official as a gift. I love that we’re all trying to get to the bottom of this.
Fight Commentary Breakdowns the story about the ape/gibbon/gorilla is most definitely BS. It was probably cooked up to explain the name of the move ‘repulse monkey’ 倒攆猴 (daonianhou). However, that name was most certainly a corruption/misreading/phonetic approximation of the same move from the original Chen form called 倒巻肱 (daojuangong).
Honestly I’m not sure a person could beat a gibbon they move very quickly and are fairly strong. Probably the actual event was like the Newton apple story in that the person involved changed their mind just to be an epic troll.
If you say you can’t move your hands low it wil mean there s not mutch kung fu compared to mauy thai boxing and kickboxing . I believe that anything could work if the sifu would use more range . But that wil change a lot to and becomes something else. If the parry fails it’s stil possible to evade the punches.
8:49 I guess since they are in a really close range ie next to clinching, the coach can use his wrists to control the students punches and perry them. Maybe something to do with tai chi pushing hand concept? Also sine they are a really close range mma gloves and boxing gloves might not make much differences?
Yeah, could be a push hands concept. But we all know that in the current "zeitgeist" of combat sports, most people would grab to throw, angle off, or clinch in that situation. They wouldn't have their hands placed at someone's chest level and go directly into the other person.