Tai Chi That Works? Sanda Coach Explains Taijiquan

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We have sanda, boxing, and kickboxing coach and former champion Zhang Yun Xiang explain some of his applications of Tai Chi and Xingyi to boxing and kickboxing. The whole debate related to Traditional Chinese Martial Arts (TCMA) and its efficacy gets a very interesting lens in this featurette. Let's watch, analyze, learn, and think about Chinese Kungfu and Chinese martial arts. Do you agree with Coach Zhang (张云翔) and his thoughts on how these three Tai Chi moves can work in combat sports or in other situations? Leave your comments and let us know what you saw and if you think the demonstrations were correct.
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0:00 Introduction
0:20 Technique 1
2:09 Students practice
2:59 Technique 2
6:27 Technique 2 continued
10:30 Coach's qualifications
13:10 Final thoughts
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@FightCommentary 3 года назад

Thanks to all the viewers that send me cool stuff like this. More translations to come! If you want to see our existing videos on Chinese Martial Arts: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6m816g8Cpj8.html Fight Commentary Chats for interviews with different martial artists: ru-vid.com/show-UCPLNOnmT8MtZJzIMCElyHMg The video in question that I analyzed: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-PJQs7IirK2o.html The original is somewhere on YouKu, but I couldn't find the source, so I'm attributing the place on RU-vid where it sits.

@FightCommentary 3 года назад

@@joeaverage8564 Do you have any other ones that you want some translation/analysis? I'll take a look.

@charlesbetancourt7337 3 года назад

The stories are to help you remember the techniques. Whether true or not is irrelevant. The back up and punch move was used by Maywearher,Emanuel Augustus, and Roy Jones Jr. Some resulting in knockput.

@arshiadehghan2187 3 года назад

React to Lenny sly plz

@Yerbluesful 3 года назад

@@FightCommentary you asked if trapping can be used with gloves...lomachenko

@nixter8739 3 года назад

Repulse monkey love that move. We use it to block incoming punches until a foot is freed up to take out a knee cap or give a nice groin kick. Also can be used to get into a nice grab, although this master had his feet moved thru that position too quickly to see. There is so much to add to the coiling and trapping and root distruction that is taiji, not visible in this sparing and as you mentioned the angles. His hits also looked very hit like tiger, more so than just a punch, so more round than straight. But there is more when you play with that incoming energy, stay inside, stay outside, cross it, turn it, add to it and return that energy. I liked also how you said take the art and have them make it his or hers. I have been telling students that for many years. Everyone is built alittle different, make it work for you.

@FFFTonyo 3 года назад

Ramsey Dewey mentioned an example of the single tough Tai Chi dude he met. What it boils down to was that the tough Tai Chi dude understood the intricacies of grappling (likely on stand up).

@FightCommentary 3 года назад

Yeah, I remember seeing that video!

@aznkane87 3 года назад

If you look at Taijiquan Tui Shou(Push Hands) competitions, especially "moving step", you can see that it's a very upper-body oriented grappling style a lot like greco-roman or sumo. See this video ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Px_KPhucYqA.html for example.

@Arcana437 3 года назад

@@guangarmy9246 i dont think xiaodong would fight him... he respects legit and take revenge on the frauds. Though that would be really entertaining to watch

@user-np3li4pl3i 3 года назад

@@Arcana437 Ye all these frauds are giving real chinese martial arts a bad name. We pity them.

@onenoc 3 года назад

@@aznkane87 you can tell it's legit grappling because the guy in the black shirt taped his hands.

@madpatriot7464 3 года назад

Dude is fast as quicksilver. Looks like the punches would actually hurt. Unlike 99.9% of the bullshido clan. Lmao!

@FightCommentary 3 года назад

AT first I thought you said "Silverback" as in Gorilla. Then I reread and saw Quicksilver!

@madpatriot7464 3 года назад

@@FightCommentary 🤣

@liukang4520 3 года назад

@@FightCommentary Do you know what a Silverback is? Keyword is: "pink"...another keyword is "silverback"...another keyword is "rocket"

@joseph9n6 3 года назад

And he is a big guy..,.

@NGrandk9 3 года назад

This guy must have been Pernell Whittakers secret trainer back in the day

@RobWatt 3 года назад

Jerry here are some timecodes that you forgot: Technique 1 (Gou Rou Shou): 0:20 Technique 2 (Reversing Monkey): 2:58 Technique 3 (no name): 8:22 Coach Zhang's qualifications: 10:24

@wonderpope 3 года назад

Technique 3 is just simply "roll off/back"=Lu

@murilocaruy 3 года назад

Press down and uppercut seems like Zhou di kan chui (fist under elbow)

@hasanagic96 3 года назад

Jerry talking with his mouthguard on 😂

@FightCommentary 3 года назад

I thought I could do it the whole time, then I realized I was barely coherent, so I had to take it out 😜😜 you can order those in the description.

@hasanagic96 3 года назад

@@FightCommentary i must admit they have some cool designs

@kevinfok4124 3 года назад

@@FightCommentary I thought you were wearing dentures at first lol.

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@BWater-yq3jx 3 года назад

Coach looks sharp! It seems that what he's doing here is taking some of Tai Chi's grappling-based moves and applying them in a striking context. Much harder, due to the speed required.

@jerry171460 3 года назад

The yang style master he mentioned was 6'4". This Sanda Coach was a real deal. He took part in matches, so what he said was believable. He was in the ring before

@samalford8923 3 года назад

Hey Jerry, I really love this kind of video because it 1. delves into how to make TMA effective in combat sports, 2. explores the current Chinese martial arts climate, 3. contains a lot of Chinese language, 4. and even sheds some light on modern Chinese history. I would love to keep seeing this kind of video because it exactly matches all of my interests. I also think using this video for your Jerry Teaches Chinese channel would attract intermediate to advanced Chinese language learners like me. Thanks again for the amazing content. Keep it up!

@martialartslifelonglearner6461 3 года назад

You want to give Jerry more work?

@youngmf6052 3 года назад

Jerry you’re correct about the feints causing you to open up your face, and if you stand still this is a big problem. You’re supposed to combine footwork along with these hand techniques so you move off centerline. At least in bagua, where working toward the outside of the opponents guard is a main priority. Basically combining slipping to the outside. Also that covering in motion, the first covering in motions he’s showing, if I throw a straight it can become a covering in if needed. Straight in or hooking in both can easily change to cover or slap inward/downward. But with the smaller movements it does not contain the strike as well. So the strike contains the covering in movement, the idea here is use large movements to start and learn, refining over time into smaller movements. Large contains the small changes but small does not contain the large. Combining things saves time training when there is so much material to train whatever art you choose to train.

@hankwatt 3 года назад

There's always a narrative - great breakdown Jerry!

@hysterical5408 2 года назад

Gotta love how whenever anyone tries to make stuff like Tai Chi work, people still try their hardest to denounce it. Like Jesus, if you don't think it'd work as it is, try it yourself and make it work for you. It's not that hard.

@davidgiles5503 3 года назад

Thank you for the video and the analysis, you brought up some interesting points like expansive parries leaving you open and it being easier to parry someone wearing boxing gloves, when your hands are free. From limited experience I would say that it is easier to parry a gloved attack because you see it much sooner. Fast bare knuckle attacks you don’t always see to be able to react to. I have been taught that Tai Chi Chuan is mainly a counterattacking style incorporating strikes and grappling. The first technique shown by the coach is very similar to a technique (Gyrating Arms)in the system that I practice

@martialartslifelonglearner6461 3 года назад

Gyrating arms sounds so funny!

@MikeNewWest 3 года назад

I comb the internet looking for any authentic applications/practice of "internal martial arts"-- this guy's video is in my top 3 so far, because it completely demystifies tai chi/xing yi, etc and at least put it into some kind of recognizable fighting context. Glad you found it and reviewed it.

@solagratia1600 3 года назад

thanks for sharing this. In defence of the coaches two points, first on your critic on what about feinting. I think he is teaching in the context of incoming aggressive combos (no pulling punches ) which often do happen. In this context the more contact circular parries will most likely work as diversions. Of course you have to train in combination to counter snappy punches too. You wouldn't use this kind of parry if that is the case. As for the second critic regarding letting the student adapting the technique to his own suitability, yes eventually. But he / she has to understand the original concept of the technique first. Here in the example the coach was explain you need to make space by retreating to get out of the entanglement to counter, otherwise you can't punch. This makes a lot of sense in context.

@EYEZAYZEL 3 года назад

The parrying reminds me of the bare knuckle chopping blocks (similar defensive movement is used in karate aswell)

@gregorysmith6697 Год назад

I’m a tai chi fighter and I really enjoyed your breakdown.

@FightCommentary Год назад

Send me footage some time! I would love to see!

@hankwatt 3 года назад

Great point about the different gloves!

@furyano1251 3 года назад

It is very good and useful. Boxing definitely. MMA I’m not so sure. Leaves your rib cage open for attack from either side. That being said I am gonna add this technique I’m my combo drills, especially good for backing up. This technique can apply for a few takedowns as well. Thanks for sharing this video. 🙏

@drifter2341 3 года назад

Liked the noise you made at the end 😊

@canaldesugestoesa6651 3 года назад

this video shows that there is and always has been, Kung Fu masters who, knowing their deficiency in combat efficiency, tried to train other styles to improve the style in which they were taught. however they were seen as "traitors" for adding non-Chinese techniques, since they did not like foreigners, the sanda arose because a group of Kung Fu fighters seeing the deficiency in combat, sought to train other different styles, and mixing with those who work in several Chinese styles, this channel, besides bringing videos of challenges, shows how the best RU-vid channel evolved.

@FightCommentary 3 года назад

Yeah, that first Sanda Coach interview I translated was so cool. I might do another translation soon too! There are other coaches who were interviewed too, from the comments on that analysis.

@canaldesugestoesa6651 3 года назад

@Michael Terrell II yes this truebut before there were masters who, knowing of its inefficiency, started to look for new mechanisms to improve the Chinese style, and yes the Chinese communist government was looking for an effective martial art method to combat what you mentioned is right, it was even a my hypothesis, which became true in a video from this channel, just look for what you think in which one of the creators of sanda mentioned this story.

@canaldesugestoesa6651 3 года назад

@Michael Terrell II yep. Exaclty.

@peterwang5660 3 года назад

@@canaldesugestoesa6651 Dude what do you mean always have been? You mean since 200 years ago right? Which is as far back as any known kung fu styles can be traced.

@Joselockington 3 года назад

@@peterwang5660 well Qixingquan Kung fu can be traced back to the 17th century witch is 400 years ago

@prastagus3 3 года назад

Very useful practical application of Tai Chi

@Purwapada 3 года назад

. oh thanx jerry. I think I asked if you could have a look at this video quite a while ago. Thanks for the breakdown :)

@FightCommentary 3 года назад

You have an epic username, btw!

@Purwapada 3 года назад

. @@FightCommentary thank you!!!

@FightCommentary 3 года назад

@@Purwapada What's the symbols supposed to mean, btw?

@Purwapada 3 года назад

. @@FightCommentary oh it says 'purwapada' and is from a script called hanacaraka which was used in java before the Latin alphabet was inteoduced. Maybe I'll learn to read it one day haha. It its kind if complicated. Glad you like it 😁

@FightCommentary 3 года назад

@@Purwapada That's freaking awesome!!

@ck552 3 года назад

LOL, anyone who could knock out a gorilla would be superhuman. Prime Mike Tyson couldn't KO a gorilla, all he'd accomplish is creating a really pissed off gorilla, followed by Tyson getting mutilated.

@FightCommentary 3 года назад

Yeah, I forgot to mention this in my analysis, but Gorillas also have much more upper body strength. Basically, there's another ratio called the dimorphism index (i'm purposefully avoiding the other word for obvious reasons), and Gorillas (and even Chimps) are much higher in that. What that means is the the males and females look very different when it comes to body strength. So a gorilla not only had more reach but also WAY MORE power in his strikes. Even Chimps can beat humans and chimps are smaller than humans.

@ck552 3 года назад

@@FightCommentary That, and they bite viciously. Once you see pics of chimp attack victims, you never forget them.

@FightCommentary 3 года назад

@@ck552 yeah, there could always be the chance that the palace that Yang Lu Chan guarded might have pulled out the Gorilla's biggest teeth or something, but still, the bite is no joke. There's probably another jaw measurement index of how powerful it clamps. Now I want to search all of this ;)

@ck552 3 года назад

@@FightCommentary And of course they also have thicker skulls, smaller brains, with a short and very thick, very strong neck. I think one would need a baseball bat to KO a full grown adult male chimp or gorilla. And the primate in question would have to be polite enough to hold perfectly still for you to take your best swing.

@FightCommentary 3 года назад

@@ck552 So here is something I thought about the more I talked to other viewers. Basically, I decided to look it up even more after a post by the viewer Dave. One thing I didn't realize until watching some gorillas running around is that Gorillas are not bipedal like humans, so even though they have much more reach because of long arms and strength because of bigger frame, their heads are much more forward when they strike or grapple because their upper body is kind of at a 45 degree angle since they walk with their hands touching the ground. Guess that makes it possible, if Yang Lu Chan's story is true, for him to actually connect with a punch as a smaller person moving backwards from the Gorilla's attack. My reference for Gorilla behavior: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-wJy2B6lefVc.html So if it were a smaller gorilla (maybe a teenager or younger) who also was lost and not trying to eat everyone in the palace, then maybe Yang Lu Chan has a chance.

@lioravni7245 Год назад

I like this video. Authentic instruction.

@heavymeddle28 3 года назад

My favourite fighting channel 😉.. I'm getting more and more curious how you can have such good knowledge about martial arts?!. All of them. Hell... I've done taekwondo for 19 years, judo for many many years, karate for some 3-5 years and I'm not unfamiliar with muay thai since I live in Thailand. I'm 49 and competed a lot but I haven't even got 10% of your knowledge. Hats of to that 😊❤️from Thailand 🇹🇭

@FightCommentary 3 года назад

I don't think I have any particular more knowledge than anyone else. I just like to watch, learn and think. I also surround myself with very skilled people who can destroy me in two seconds. That's all. Thanks for watching the channel. Appreciate your support! I'm going to introduce channel memberships soon, so that will be another way to share more with people like you!

@heavymeddle28 3 года назад

@@FightCommentary thank you for your interesting videos. I was just curious. Thanks for your reply. Really love your videos 😊

@FightCommentary 3 года назад

@@heavymeddle28 BTW, there's another viewer in Thailand that also trains. You guys should meet up! He's a Muay Thai guy. I need to find his account! Really appreciate your support!

@Between2Riverz 3 года назад

That counter strike is clean, I’d practice that.

@kayakboy6748 3 года назад

Nice video. I noticed the gloves right away but what I didn’t see mentioned was the height difference. I’m taller, like the coach. Most trap and strike comes from overhand. I wonder how well he would do hitting from below

@dfpguitar 3 года назад

he's doing sticky hands like in wing chun. It is well known that parrying in sports like boxing / muay Thai is supposed to be with the smallest hands movements possible, for efficiency and maintaining guard etc. I'm not a kung Fu person but I can see that with the sticky hands method , the aim is to maintain control of the opponent's arms. And to do so in a manner that doesn't require vision (wing chun people do this drill blindfolded a lot a high speed). Many of the very highest level of pro boxers like Roberto Duran or Vasily lomachenko used this as a fundamental technique too. They don't even wait for a strike but actually pry opponents guard open and then pull opponents hand down , holding onto it in whatever whey they can manage.

@poiseman 3 года назад

great mixte of (Martial art)sticky hand and boxing from the Sanda Coach, it's one of the exemple of real sticky hand. great question and analyse from you, for the faint and glove

@JulianoB 3 года назад

Very great analysis

@ryanliu6694 3 года назад

Demetrious Johnson sized Sanda guy here (also train some BJJ). That gorilla story is bull.

@SandBorrito 3 года назад

I think it still works good as an explanation, since gorillas kind of fight like that

@FightCommentary 3 года назад

@@SandBorrito I decided to look it up even more! One thing I didn't realize until watching some gorillas running around is that Gorillas are not bipedal like humans, so even though they have much more reach because of long arms, their heads are much more forward when they strike or grapple because their upper body is kind of at a 45 degree angle since they walk with their hands touching the ground. Guess that makes it possible if Yang Lu Chan's story is true for him to actually connect with a punch as a smaller person moving backwards from the Gorilla's attack. My reference for Gorilla behavior: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-wJy2B6lefVc.html

@yanyanzhang5813 3 года назад

@@FightCommentary wasn’t he telling the story to illustrate how the name came to be? Kinda like how people are named Jason after the Jason that went and killed a dragon and stole some Golden Fleece for the gods and shit? Those stories are usually embellished right? Also yeah, gorillas usually walk on four legs, however if a gorilla was charging, it would actually do big leaps forward, so even if the master was lucky and hit the gorilla, the pure weight and force would’ve knocked the master down.

@gorocksnow 3 года назад

His version mention hei xingxing which is a chimpanzee. They are significantly smaller than da xingxing which means gorilla. Still wouldn't mess with a chimp tho they are crazy strong

@yanyanzhang5813 3 года назад

@@gorocksnow did he?

@danielhounshell2526 3 года назад

It's not just kickboxing or MMA that teaches to parry that way and to do small movements. One of the first things my Kung Fu instructor corrected was that he taught me to do smaller motions with my blocks and to keep them in tight. Also, while trapping is easier with big gloves, you can still definitely do it without them. It's just a bit more difficult because you have to be a bit more precise. It's definitely possible though, and we occasionally see handfighting that is somewhat similar to trapping in MMA, it's usually used to move a person's guard in that context.

@Llucius1 3 года назад

Motions big or small doesn't matter , it's the same. If someone trains properly , he should be able to do the same movement in all kinds of possible length. The way you train is not the same as how you fight , to train how to fight , you need to fight.

@tinonguyendinh5551 3 года назад

Wow it almost looks like he was dancing salsa at 4:27 🤣 Thanks for elaborating the tricks. I operate on slight edges so this CHI is quite helpful

@FightCommentary 3 года назад

Salsa ;) It's interesting because Bruce Lee's JKD apparently has some cha cha and Lomachenko and Shevchenko did dance for many years. So dancing can only help the fighting if it makes you more coordinated and flexible.

@wolfmaster555 3 года назад

The idea of angled movement vs linear movement is interesting. In sport karate we see alot of Blitzing forward, like in sport fencing. You control the range and then power forward and then pull back and reset. We see men like the Iceman retreat backwards and throw counters down the middle. Same with the dragon. Distance and timing play a huge part in this, and also does movement, but I also wonder if breaking the rules of angular fighting has an affect on the opponent? Someone trained like in Muay Thai, who is use to see angeled patterns. Now he sees something completely different. I wonder how much levels of training and conditioning play a factor in making any tactics work.

@shujiling213 3 года назад

Awesome thank you, excellent explain to Yang, Xing yi Quán

@rylie8989 3 года назад

You touched on this at the end about gloves, but I was definitely wondering with that move at the start, was larger than boxing parries because of gloves. Wouldn't using a smaller ungloved hand to parry a smaller ungloved fist potentially require more movement than vs bulky gloved hands?

@FightCommentary 3 года назад

Good point!

@A.Tag90 3 года назад

All Chuck Norris stories are actually toned down to make them seem more realistic.

@FightCommentary 3 года назад

He bites the frost, bro! Also, instead of sleeping, he just waits.

@martialartslifelonglearner6461 3 года назад

@@FightCommentary the boogieman checks his closet for chuck norris.

@clementtsang5825 3 года назад

So why can't Chinese have the similar tall tales? Double standard much?

@FightCommentary 3 года назад

@@clementtsang5825 because we all know Chuck Norris jokes are JOKES. Not meant to be taken seriously. Unless there is a clear distinction made by these coaches and masters that these are tall tales, they need to be called out. Take your nationalism elsewhere.

@martialartslifelonglearner6461 3 года назад

@@FightCommentary Jerry, unlike what this Clement dummy thinks, I say you're a kungfu apologist. You're always trying to make kungfu look good when it is mostly ineffective. I think that's what you need to examine. Stop even trying to appease people like Clement. He's obviously never trained.

@TheJadekungfu 3 года назад

This is a good video and explanation. Give non TCMA practitioner a good show that the forms are just forms only for motor skill drills, the variation in application from form are how you use it. The gloves used in sanda are not so blocky and are more rounded in shape at least during my time, so it's somewhat easier to trap. But frankly after training long enough, you can trap with any gloves on. Its like getting a seasoned judoka and glove him, he still can throw. His techniques are definitely effective, but recent scoring prefer trippings as the points are easier to award if you fell your opponent. If you punch the person and his head does not recoil enough visually, the corner judge may not award the point. .

@canaldesugestoesa6651 3 года назад

This good moviments punch for many styles chinese martial arts.

@sz42781 3 года назад

The more it resembles boxing, the better it seems to work.

@aznkane87 3 года назад

I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Kung fu used to be called Chinese boxing in the west. A lot of the traditional Chinese martial arts seems to have a lot of parallels with western boxing, especially in its earlier bare knuckle era and the open hand strikes and other unusual strikes and trapping makes a lot more sense without gloves. The difference in effectiveness comes down more to the fact that Chinese martial arts went down the path of focusing on forms and pretty movements while boxing continued as a sport where boxers had to fight each other and develop their skills in live competition. Techniques aren’t what makes martial arts effective but how they’re trained and tested.

@Schwartzbruder1 3 года назад

often with trapping and parrying the structure you're are using is from the hands to the elbows. using boxing gloves might hinder your hands a little but it doesnt throw your trapping out the window.

@Schwartzbruder1 3 года назад

@@GuitarsRockForever that's right my bad. My train of thought was elsewhere

@adfeatherstone 3 года назад

The sanda coach says his coach was Ren Zhongxing just wondering if this should be Ren Zhongxin 任忠信?

@neildrew4067 3 года назад

You are not seeing his parrying correctly. He is not using the hands but the wrist joint and forearm. Which gives greater leverage to turn your opponent than hands and fingers. I take your point about gloves though.

@danilocatania5700 3 года назад

Trapping and copping works in sanda/ kickboxing but only if you use footwork and head movement, when you cup a jab with, lets say, your lead left hand, going left to right, your head should slip to the left, bringing your shoulders up to protect the chin, learned this in sanda, seen it in muay thai and any other kickboxing form

@rabiesbiter5681 Год назад

I remember leaving a comment on a Ramsey Dewey video about Jack Dempsey's striking methodology and I mentioned that I learned a lot of those body mechanics from Taijiquan. Ramsey, in his infinite Mormon wisdom, replied and told me that Taijiquan is grappling, not striking. I later found out that he learned this from having basically tussled a bit with an elderly Taijiquan practitioner. But the thing is, if all you do is pushing hands, you're going to analyze the 108 form and think it's all somehow there to teach you pushing hands. If you do Sanda, you're going to look at the 108 form and see punches, kicks, blocks, parries and maybe even some hand trapping. But prior to the Republican era, Taijiquan was a martial art insofar as that it was for the military, including the palace guard. The 108 form is an invention of the early Republican era, and it's a distillation of fundamental unarmed movements of the art, using broad and exaggerated movements. I think if you want to get close to the origins, you have to think in terms of bare knuckles. Think in terms of wanting to get a motherfucker off of you long enough to get to your side arm, without breaking your hand on the bastard's face so you can't wield it. Maybe "repulse monkey" is just grabbing someone by the collar, stepping back to pull his head down and forward and then ramming your palm hard into his nose. No, not in pushing hands and not in Sanda, but maybe those aren't the end all or the be all of Taijiquan, just a way to sharpen your reflexes a bit. Maybe it would take a lifetime to figure out everything and anything you can do with just the movements in the 108 form, let alone the weapons forms. Maybe Taijijian is the real art and everything else is just a warmup. I honestly don't know, but it could be that. Military personnel always prioritized their weapons, even the bodyguards.

@1sunstyle 3 года назад

I started training Silat and Escrima in 1993. I began Tai Chi and Bagua in 2008.

@wallacedias5397 3 года назад

Taijiquan: + body mechanics, - Sparring + Grapple (chin na fa or shuai jiao), - Strike + Circle, - Linear.

@nikolayordanov3115 Год назад

The idea of tai chi imo is to controll the weight of your opponent and follow and redirect when you have to. But in order to do so the upper body must not be so tense, and here comes the problem when wanting to combine some tai chi tactics with styles like boxing, muay thai etc...

@CatMountainKing 3 года назад

The parry doesn't work quite the way you describe, it is more like covering/drawing the opponent's hand than slapping it out of the way. It works with gloves on, because you aren't using your fingers or palm to cover - your wrists and elbows are not bending, the power comes from the waist. Some more examples (with boxing gloves on): ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-qNeHKGdoG3U.html

@Jon-ov4nc 2 года назад

Was going to say the same thing. Hes not making big movements with his arms, the elbows arent actually moving much at all... it's the waist/dantian that's controlling the movement. It's much easier and safer when you isolate the elbows and CONTROL the arms by MOVING the waist... big waist movement does not equal big arm movement (even though it appears that way)

@LunaticReason 3 года назад

@0::50 WTF! That's what my Sifu does to me, I still have trouble pulling it off myself. He's actually doing more than the parry there is a circular motion that he's doing that lets him slip in the punches on both sides, one clockwise, the other counter clockwise. When you do it right its hard for the opponent's brain to process the movement.

@burgersquid 3 года назад

the guy has stories but I mean, I've known boxing and kickboxing trainers that gave quality instruction but weren't above dubious anecdotes and tall tales. I think it adds to the experience of learning from them! Hard to comment on the merit of the man's techniques, since idk anything about sanda or it's rule sets. Looks like variations of pretty standard techniques tho, like you said.

@landoftheninja Год назад

About the story around 5 minutes in. So before the printing press was around and writing shit down was a more tedious task, there was a memory technique that was employed. In this technique, you would attach the most crazy thing you could think of around the thing you wanted to remember. So I think that's how we get a lot of these *WILD* stories through history.

@ziggydog5091 3 года назад

You attack the guard and move it away and strike off the trap that occurs, much move effective then simply parrying punches, their counter strike is not a threat because you manipulate and control the hand and arm, very effective

@tomattomli 3 года назад

8:49 I guess since they are in a really close range ie next to clinching, the coach can use his wrists to control the students punches and perry them. Maybe something to do with tai chi pushing hand concept? Also sine they are a really close range mma gloves and boxing gloves might not make much differences?

@FightCommentary 3 года назад

Yeah, could be a push hands concept. But we all know that in the current "zeitgeist" of combat sports, most people would grab to throw, angle off, or clinch in that situation. They wouldn't have their hands placed at someone's chest level and go directly into the other person.

@FightCommentary 3 года назад

That makes sense so much!!

@md_f_dnn 3 года назад

At about 8:07 I do agree that you should let the art fit the student, but the guy was trying to demonstrate the reversing technique where you step backwards, but the student did a completely different technique, it's like if you're mma coach asked you to demonstrate a double leg and instead you did a single leg, or if he asked for a jab but you did a cross, it might have been a great single leg or a great cross, but it's not what you're supposed to be practicing at that moment y'know what I mean?

@SamSung-kl7pq 3 года назад

The ancient martial arts are designed to face life and death situation not for sport tournament with rules or regulations. If you can't destroy your opponent, run away if you can.

@Llucius1 3 года назад

Yup , this is what people don't understand.

@subfreq3339 2 года назад

Taiji movements are big because contact is maintained to control limbs then balance. If control is lost then you flow into a different movement cutting the first short. And you move at 45°angles.

@bongkem2723 2 года назад

Taichi is 90% wrestling and joints locks (that's why it's considered "soft style" which doesn't "hurt" the opponent, Taichi mostly takedown and lock), it's not for striking like many people believe !!!

@Marcusjnmc 3 года назад

a lot of TCMA are best implemented alongside training as a counterstriker in boxing imo, it's where the ingrained forms are most applicable, TCMA create loads of small openings in the opponent's guard when applied effectively, but usually does nothing effective with those small windows of opportunity, boxing's counterpunching fills in the gaps really well.

@MaorFarnesi 6 месяцев назад

Most of more traditional Yang TaiJiquan striking is counterstriking so we normally don't repeat it so often. It is in the principle he attacks first but I hit first. In the retreat monkey there is also a throw hidden into it and eventually a heel back-kick as well but this just in the way he shows the form alone toward the beginning of that movement and as I learnt it in the first repetition of my long form. Normally the foot do in Yang style a different thing and the core of the movement becomes the hands.

@S_Cer013 3 года назад

I think there are a place for some of these moves, but I think they require a bit of setup for them to work. there are gifted fighters who do have such an unorthodox style that just works for them and replicating them isn't really possible

@jsl8461 3 года назад

Thanks Jerry! Aiya, I was hoping he would have something that's a more explicitly Taiji in flavor. But nothing here is uniquely from Taijiquan (most traditional martial arts use punches to the head sparingly, as they were intended to be done without the protection of gloves and wraps). You pointed out that while parrying is a core defense against punches, the way he executes them here is too exaggerated. I noticed that too! A good fighter will easily be able to exploit that. (To be fair to Mr. Zhang, his demonstration here might not necessarily be how he did it when he competed)

@FightCommentary 3 года назад

Maybe we should look at more Jake Mace Taichi applications ;) Jake did a lot of explicitly taichi flavors. I'll also look for more from Coach Zhang. Also, I found more cool Sanda videos, so I might translate more of those.

@kevinho2746 3 года назад

This is asking the impossible, no? The more "explicitly Taichi" a move is, the more exaggerated it will be, especially when most people's knowledge of Taichi comes from forms, so "explicitly Taichi" means mimicking the forms.

@permadsen1479 3 года назад

@@kevinho2746 Any Tai Chi Chuan teacher who tells you that you can learn to fight from the forms is moron and should never teach Tai Chi Chuan. As someone else in this comment section said, in Tai Chi Chuan you start out with large frame (large movements) and then move into small frame (subtle movements). Honestly the prime reason for most people thinking Tai Chi Chuan is useless is because they see the forms and think that is the application of Tai Chi Chuan and then don't dig deeper, then again you really can't blame people for that when a lot of teachers really don't know better either.

@kevinho2746 3 года назад

@@permadsen1479 That, ironically, was me.

@danwyry5661 3 года назад

Thanks for the subtitling man, although the stuff is pretty obvious by itself, it's nice to actually understand what he says. I've been reviewing this video last year and adapted some of the shown techniques to our wing chun classes. We've practiced them bare hands and in speed. It's doable, and after a little practice they turn out quite useful, of course we are not professional boxers, but for the average fighting hobbyist they work out well.

@hendogwestcoast 3 года назад

I need to train man I wish I could go to a gym Muay Thai or something I here Los Angeles County may go on a lockdown soon again

@FightCommentary 3 года назад

Dude, come train with my coach. Message me on IG. We train in Santa Monica. You’re always invited. Just no zelenoffing of course:

@myowngenesis 3 года назад

Share it in Muai Thai form lol, gotta love this guy

@FightCommentary 3 года назад

I bet if we look deep enough, Yang Lu Chan also beat Muay Thai guys, eh?

@myowngenesis 3 года назад

@@FightCommentary hey, nothing is impossible!

@kenf333 3 года назад

I dunno but i personally think that a lot of TMA trapping/deflections come from the use of (sounds bad i know) chi to direct a certain amount of force onto a very minimal surface contact point in which case the efficacy of the block/deflection will be increased. This is just my personal reflection/reasoning for the way some of these implementations might've been used in the past. Sounds far-fetched i know, but at least it makes sense mechanically speaking (considering you believe energy to be a mechanical source of the universe in the first place).

@hankwatt 3 года назад

Yes‼️ Jerry's crush made it on the outro!

@FightCommentary 3 года назад

HAHAH :) You noticed ;) I wonder if Isabelle ever visits RU-vid ;)

@tokorojj 3 года назад

Do you train MMA or Kickboxing? Interesting video. Somehow, the segments with the Taichi master have a retro aura,like the environment, the students and the master himself belongs to the 80's or 70's...anyway, interesting video.

@FightCommentary 3 года назад

Yeah. I do kickboxing and Muay Thai. Can’t call myself mma anymore because I haven’t done any grappling in months. But I‘ll be back in the swing of things. Just really wanted to work on my striking for 2020.

@jamesandjoanthomas3914 3 года назад

The style looks similar to Chi Sau and Pak Sau , Wing Chun to me .

@Docthewrench 3 года назад

One thing you see and it's here this video students fear their instructor. It's natural, but it really hammers one to go full out. My Wing Chun Do instructor from my first day I probed his wing Chun.. It is different than others. Using what I already know to mess around with Sigung... No fear of getting get... Just respect. There is issues in wing Chun. He uses me as. Never give ground or a kicker like Len will take advantage of the space.

@FightCommentary 3 года назад

Yep.

@christopherjamescam 3 года назад

This guy is a beast!

@martialartslifelonglearner6461 3 года назад

He's punching with his chin all high. I don't see the beast part. Unless you're talking about Jerry. Jerry looks like the guy that girls call when they're feeling down. So he's no beast either.

@ultraparadoxical7610 3 года назад

This is badass

@lineagemartialarts7910 3 года назад

interesting！

@georgemckenzie2525 Год назад

Retreat and repulse the monkey can be used to counter attack the clinch. The lower hand catches the leg as the opponent strikes with knee, though the back leg looks to be retreating, in application, it is counter balancing the weight, and causes the body to spin 180 while the clinchers leg is pulled up to your waist the strike is used to break their grip and cause damage as they are thrown to the floor. No-one ever tried the clinch twice after receiving this throw when I was sparring with teachers of other styles.

@zenpig6605 3 года назад

pulling punches in training is ok , as long as one spends some time on the heavy bag every week. the heavy bag is for full power work, and without it, we might not be able to really connect in a fight. just my two cents. cheers

@idurisu930 3 года назад

More surprised at that guy's control, fast but still soft punches. He would be a great sparring partner

@saderrick15 11 месяцев назад

Wish they taught sanda where I’m from down south west Georgia

@LuggageChestHead 3 года назад

I don’t think the “teacher” had any formal traditional neijia training (no wai san he, no rooting etc). Nevertheless he can kick ass for sure pretty well, inspite of having some minor lacks in covering and technique in terms of western boxing.

@martialartslifelonglearner6461 3 года назад

What's Neijia?

@LuggageChestHead 3 года назад

Internal Chinese martial arts, in opposite to weijia, the external ones.

@ashuramuhammad1610 3 года назад

I think one proof of Taichi that works is Nick Osipczak and I think Ramsey Dewey ever sparred with a legit Taichi. Perhaps you can make a commentary on that sometime, thankyou.

@FightCommentary 3 года назад

Good suggestions!

@cresspoobear1904 3 года назад

Nick got good before he “found” tai chi. His first (only) fight after getting into TTC he tried to stand up with a great striker (well done Kyle Redfern) and had his orbital bone broken, so had to go to the ground. I have met and sparred with Nick, he is extremely good, one of the best athletes I ever met, but his TCC was poor at best.

@FightCommentary 3 года назад

@@cresspoobear1904 interesting! I'll have to check that out!

@kevinho2746 3 года назад

Your point about his movements being too large and leaving gaps for exploitation is covered in what we know of Taichi teaching material. Students start with the "large frame" forms with much arm waving and exaggerated stepping to learn the movements and principles. They then (should) graduate to the "small frame" forms where the principles are applied in smaller movements. How much further it goes than that I cannot say, of course.

@FightCommentary 3 года назад

You're the one who messaged me on IG! I'm making the connection now. Good to see you here!

@guillermoletsworkitout3522 3 года назад

Well as long as you know to grab the hand or wrist but some do not do that

@TheTommy9898 3 года назад

Old stories/folktales change greatly over time, just like the telephone game. In reality it was probably just some really hairy dude lol.

@ziggydog5091 3 года назад

It is possible with large gloves on I did it but you have to practice

@metalandpunksuck 3 года назад

Paring with boxing gloves works for me easily. But I only pare when the other person is throwing a kick. if I pare with the inside of the glove I can easily trap the other persons leg and pull. When I pare with the outside of the glove I can spin the other guy to their side exposing their ribs. I don't like paring punches I would most likely just move to the side.

@NickJoeBeg 3 года назад

Ive done mma and tai chi, idk what the deal is with tai chi... (Ive read... lots of things) theres no real pressure testing for any of the moves ive ever practiced, when i practiced at home or off the side with a mma buddy or teacher (lol) they never work. The most ive found use for it is ive felt like doing tai chi has actually helped me understand how to move my body for mt/bjj more naturally. It helped me understand how to use the necessary body parts and get the slightest things in unison in way that im not sure would have happened the same or how long it would have taken to click had i not done tai chi. Especially with jj i feel it has helped me understand how to have a flow with bjj moves and forms, and made me apply my balance and weight properly and more smoothly. But everytime in tai chi when the instuctor remembers its supposed to be a martial art, its just bad, and i mean idk i just cant be sympathetic to anyone doing tai chi thinking they can fight, its still kinda fucked up but at the same time i honestly believe all ma are selling the same bullshido lie including mma, so i think everything is guilty of it. Alot of people do mma think theyre hot and get their ass kicked. I think the difference is mma can decrease the ass whooping recieved and does offer the potential for an individual to put in the effort to transform themselves. All i can say for tma, it may have good things, honestly im interested in most of them even tho im on the mma side when it comes down to it, i still am interested in every ma, tkd might build bad habits but i do believe it has kicks which can be used in real situations and has something to teach and improve ones kicking overall. Tma may have useful things for fighters but not necessarily things for a fight. But they do not appear to offer any advantage in a fight imo to anyone that does mma and tma... (Except maybe tkd).

@Joel-xt5yz Год назад

I think the only difference between Gou Rou and normal parrying is that Gou Rou is actively closing the distance between you and opponent. Similarly there are other tai chi parrying that pushing opponent away while blocking the attack. Many traditional martial art are deliberately controlling the distance with attack and defence rather than pure footwork and pure dodge because they cannot predict if the opponent would pull out any weapon. Therefore it is smarter to hit and run at same time. I think what the coach is trying to say is Yang was not just blocking the ape, Yang is moving out of the way of the ape while stumbled it, the moral of the story is don't go against the opponent in front if they are much stronger than you. maybe the coach has a strong accent which makes his words hard to understand

@WoodMartialArts 3 года назад

Kickboxing & mma since 04, Tai chi since 2013. Tai chi absolutely has principles to offer to improve fighting. It takes a ton of sparring to make it functional tho.

@htrland 3 года назад

10:31 I like the choice of music. This is "Alte Kameraden", one of the most famous German military marches. It was composed in the 19th century, but of course used a lot in Nazi Germany as well.

@FightCommentary 3 года назад

I’ll have to look up the song!

@htrland 3 года назад

@@FightCommentary On RU-vid, I believe there are two main versions: vocal and instrumental. Both sound awesome. The one playing in this video is the instrumental version.

@FightCommentary 3 года назад

So interesting. I bet the person who made this Tai Chi video just looked in his archive and picked a song, not knowing it’s history.

@htrland 3 года назад

@@FightCommentary That may be. But I also think a lot of Chinese (mainly guys) are genuinely interested in German culture, and their military performance in WWII.

@FightCommentary 3 года назад

Yep. Before the mid 90s Chinese people still loved Germany more than America. I credit the Backstreet Boys for turning many Chinese to Team America.

@runakobannister3316 3 года назад

This reminds me of how Aikido is just part of Jujitsu but gets peddled as a separate martial art

@FightCommentary 3 года назад

That’s a claim that’s debatable. I’ll bring on an aikido guy soon to talk more about this.

@dosidicusgigas1376 3 года назад

Wasn't Aikido implemented primarily to defend against an armed opponent? I'd read it was basically developed for battlefield use vs swordsmen

@Nabil4031 3 года назад

Many Chinese or Taiwanese American martial artists who emigrated from the mainland, such as William Chen of New York city ( a Tai chi disciple of the famed Cheng Man Ching), have long known that the standard of Tai chi in Both China and Hong Kong has been deteriorating since the cultural revolution in China! Bob Klein was a student of William Chen(who won the Taiwanese boxing tournaments in the sixties). His functional Tai chi is extremely different from the one demonstrated here, in that there is little blocking .Instead of retreating, he will attempt to spin behind an opponent or weave fluidly between the punches.Bob operates a You Tube channel called Zookinesis and is founder of the Long Island School of Tai chi Chuan. It would be good if you would investigate him or William Chen (also on Facebook) in order to find out what actually characterizes true Tai chi . Maybe , William has footage of the Taiwanese tournaments which he won. This may help to clear up a lot of Kung -Fusion !

@snakeeagle6930 3 года назад

This guy looks legit 💪👺👍

@aquiredskill 3 года назад

If you say you can’t move your hands low it wil mean there s not mutch kung fu compared to mauy thai boxing and kickboxing . I believe that anything could work if the sifu would use more range . But that wil change a lot to and becomes something else. If the parry fails it’s stil possible to evade the punches.

@johnnytrejo911 3 года назад

I believe his Tai Chi would work if he intercepted his attack with his offense attack with the vertical fist like in Wing Chun , and JKD and the Non Classical Gung Fu. Putting pressure in moving forward, but also using footwork. I believe Tai Chi can work, if the Sifu is proficient in the combative style of Tai Chi like the Chen Style , which in the forms is a hidden combat form for a lot of throws , takedowns, and using standing joint locks from Chin’Na and the grappling aspect of Shaui Jaio. With him in the beginning he says he was doing trapping , it’s only trapping if you’re immobilizing his attack . Which he wasn’t he was parrying the punches. But I give him this at least he’s sparring ! And that’s the 1st step in Traditional Martial Arts 👍🏼

@teddy2979 3 года назад

It's not a bad demo, but it lacks the internal structure and mechanics that make it special. A good tai chi practitioner would not just deflect and strike at the same time, there's advanced body mechanics involved that involves sticking to your partner wherein it also neutralize his power and de-stabilize his centre. It's a bit hard to explain in text, and even with this skill, it's not a guarantee you will win against a superior opponent regardless of your martial art.

@n0simpathy304 3 года назад

Many things can work. All I do is practice tai chi non stop, but I also box, wrestle, and do bjj. Nothing is perfect on its own in mma or street fight. All arts have a flaw. He is also using the cloud hands blocking or parry that you see. On a high level, if they feint your punch your suppose to still stick to them and close the distance. The block is supposed to be an attack as well. People forget tai chi is kind of like a stand up grappling martial art like judo. Its not a full striking martial art. Tai chi should be used to wear down attacks, close distance, and then engage in a judo type clinch situation to get takedowns, defend take downs, or wear them down and prepare for submitting ppl. Also people ALWAYS FORGET about Nick Osipczak or super nova Nick. He was in UFC for some decent fights, has his own youtube channel on how he shows tai chi being useful for clinch situations, and other grappling scenarios. But he's used it in the cage already in combination with bjj. It's not bad really. Do research on your fighters that were already successful please. He does yang Style tai chi as well. Like a 24 step form. Chen style tai chi has more aggressive attacks in it. Check out some Chen style applications or self defense stuff.

@FightCommentary 3 года назад

Cloud hands is the coolest name ever!

@saderrick15 Год назад

Shoulda added 52 blocks into sanda to improve boxing and give it more rhythm

@holdenmuganda97 3 года назад

Check out Chen Ziqiang I think his name is. He spars against people using tai chi. No one high level but he’s throwing people around using. The people in the comments think it’s completely staged but I just think he’s going up against noobs. (I’ve trained btw so I have a good eye for someone using real techniques) But either way it’s interesting and deserves a breakdown.

@FightCommentary 3 года назад

Cool. I'll check it out!

@holdenmuganda97 3 года назад

@@FightCommentary keep up the good content though!

@FightCommentary 3 года назад

And if I forget to look, Just remind me again. Sometimes so much gets sent by viewers, so I forget or have it too far down in the cue.

@moseslarios650 3 года назад

Some of these moves reminds me of Jeet Kune Do sticky hands.👊👹

@Zz7722zZ 3 года назад

It's fine to apply techniques from the tai chi forms but the crux of tai chi really isn't about the techniques themselves. FOr example the 1st application he shows should have involved 'capturing' the balance of the attacker so as to have more control over the interaction before he strikes, it is the ability to manipulate on touch that is much more important. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-gdoiWYdwjK4.html

@FightCommentary 3 года назад

I just checked out the video ;) Nice little home sparring. I love the setup!

@Zz7722zZ 3 года назад

Fight Commentary Breakdowns if you’re interested, this guy ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-StzFn70abvw.html gives a good explanation of how this works (he’s a BJJ instructor too). In my opinion, only those who are able to do this at will can be considered tai chi fighters, very few are able to, certainly not Lei Lei or Ma Baoguo.

@taekwondomaster4609 3 года назад

TBH, in a real life fight (ON THE STREETS), you will not have much chances to do ANY parrying or counterattacks because it will last less than a minute on average. This is a FACT!!!

@Llucius1 3 года назад

Yup , people don't understand , without gloves , most people would break their hand throwing a punch like that. If someone how a really tough jaws , good luck on the punch.