Tainted Grail Rundown 

Unfortunately, it was funded in 1 minute. ;)

very good. i didn't have to exclude the theme and setting to say that, either. i have no problem with the gritty world, and the immature chainmail bikinis are just minor annoyances. it's a very strong design (though i haven't seen how the save system works, which could make or break it)

@@rahdo Thanks!

i think they're very comparable. TG i think has a better design for co-op, 7C was always a solo game with multiplayer sort of taked on. I'd say they have comparable amount of content in the main box. the world changes more in 7C than TG, but you have to do a lot more filing and busywork keeping track of all the cards as a result. TG has a much stronger narrative woven throughout. it's also, of course, much darker and grimmer...

@@rahdo Thank you for the reply. That helps a lot.

I'd say this is not suitable for children at all. There is death, suicide, desperation, disease, violence, nihilism. This may be ok for teenagers but not children in any way.

crabbok is wrong i'm afraid!

here's the rules if you want to check for yourself: static.gamefound.com/taintedgrail/rulebook_web.pdf :)

@@rahdo thanks for the clarification :)

i'd have to compare them with the runebound co-op expansion, since by default ruenbound isn't (and it's a much weaker experience, IMO, when played competitively). so comparing them as solo/co-op, they're comparable in terms of production quality (both very high). they've both got very cleverl combat systems, with TG being a bit more thinkey and puzzzley and RB being more lighthearted and quick. TG requires a MUCH higher level of time commitment than RB, which is good or bad depending on your preferences. Overall RB is a faster moving game and I think has more long term replayability, but its narrative element is much weaker. Of course, TG is much darker and gritty, while RB is more easy going standard fantasy fare.

Thanks for the reply @@rahdo, from what I have seen and heard, more from your video than others, is that this is more of a story with a game element, than a game with a story element. I initially did not want to back this, as I am after speed and replayability. But I think what you said will make me see it in a different light, thanks

the super grim nature doesn't feel gratuitous to me. i only called it out because i've seen so many folks say they can't wait to play this with their kids, and the hobbit this is not! this is basically game of thrones during the apocalypse

@@rahdo Very cool, thanks for that :) Awesome rundown per usual :)

well of course i've only seen a small portion of what the game will have, but there were certainly other dark passages in there. a lot stuff about players grave robbing that was just sort of icky feeling, for instance. or really sad bits dealing with suicide because of desperate situations. stuff like that. it's all thematically appropriate for a total end of the world apocalypse, but it's often very heavy...

@@rahdo I always appreciate your quick responses and not beating around the bush about things. Thank you!

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there are plenty of occasions where you have to puzzle out the best way to proceed, mostly having to do with splitting up and getting back together at the right time because different characters have different strengths, but dealing with barriers or timed events that get in the way of ideal proceedure. plus, the puzzle of combat/diplomacy. sometimes the showdowns are pretty simple, but they can get fairly complex (especially when you start adding more advanced cards to your decks).

rahdo thank you Richard. I tend to think the story line and thematic experience is the take away which is fine if that is your thing. I appreciate what you are saying but it still feels very “non-thinks”. Thanks for your reply

well of course i've only seen a small portion of what the game will have, but there were certainly other dark passages in there. a lot stuff about players grave robbing that was just sort of icky feeling, for instance. or really sad bits dealing with suicide because of desperate situations. stuff like that. it's all thematically appropriate for a total end of the world apocalypse, but it's often very heavy...

@@rahdo I really like how heavy and dark this is. A very mature setting. I am primarily a pen-and-paper and video game player, and my favorite titles include stuff like Vampire the Masquerade and Dark Souls, so this is right up my alley. I never play tabletop, but this is a unique mix of pen-and-paper storytelling, tabletop mechanics and grimdark videogame visuals, and I highly, highly recommend it

Too early to say for sure.

@@chriswinston1223 i wouldn't necessarily agree, based on what i've seen. you earn experience *very* slowly in this game, and things get progressively more expensive they higher you level (like an MMO). some of the card upgrades that you swap into your deck can be pretty costly.

it's a term for a specific type of gameplay, that focuses more heavily on storytelling and lots of dramatic swings of luck, with less strategy overall. it was originally created as a putdown of this sort of "trashy" gameplay, but fans of the genre adopted it as a point of pride and changed the trash to mean that you spend a lot of time "trashing" your opponents stuff in dice based combat :)

shouldn't be a problem. the game comes with a lot of those pages, and you can always download more if you need them, or laminate ones they sent

you can add it to requests.rahdo.com :)

i didn't advocate for anything, i was just letting people know about the experience the game offers so they can make an informed decision.

@@rahdo I was just playing around, haha, it's a solid system that could work with a lighter theme! I always appreciate your reviews and as someone who also enjoys playing games with my spouse, I appreciate your outlook from a 2-player standpoint

@@horoshiHT hehe, no problem, thanks for clarifying. i've gotten so much "rahdo is full of SJW bullsh*t" blowback on this video i'm just assuming the worst if there's no smiley :)

@@rahdo Not me by a mile! I'm honestly still trying to decide between Coimbra and Terraforming Mars for Christmas, but I think I'm leaning more towards Terraforming Mars because I love engine-building so much. But this one I'm probably going to back :)

Well, there actually are similarities between Tainted Grail and the 2017 My Little Pony movie...just sayin'

after you've put 2 cubes in an attribute, you start adding powers to attributes, so instead of a 3rd cube, you add a unique power. instead of a 4th cube, you add a 2nd unique power. etc.

well, this game is particuarily dark :)

yes, the sexual assault and murder of the three women by an angry mob as a result of your actions is clearly stated, totally unambiguous, but the actual rape is merely strongly implied. the writing is tastefully handled. as i said elsewhere, it's not gratuitous or out of place at all.

@@rahdo, the theme of this game with the mature and violent content wouldn't hinder me from playing it but I can totally see how it would turn off others, especially Jen. I really love and respect her choices in boardgaming, actually, I love all the games you two play. My husband and I have very similar tastes and we also do not like games where we're required to get nasty with each other. There's so many great games that don't involve this. We love us a medium weight Euro with happy themes! .. 💕 😊

they even posted the actual content if you do not mind the spoiler - go on bgg and check: boardgamegeek.com/thread/2108552/theme-very-violentcan-he-be-played-family-ok-it-no?fbclid=IwAR2ATVm0RsSUJnsUzH5KcF6GIrW8j9gNExhusRJuimwuFLGg5s7e7sgoYnc Rahdo thanks for a nice rundown :)

I don't see what's the issue with rape. Like.... this is a mature setting. It's 14+. I think it's ridiculous that violence and death are ok, but assault is not. People need to be able to face darker topics, and this game is built on them.

you might not have heard this before, but different people like different things, and there's nothing wrong with that

@@rahdoExactly my point. A "con" in my understanding is a disadvantage the game has when compared to a certain standard. Being "Dark and gritty" is a characteristic relative to the theme in this case. That s the equivalent to criticising a game for being a dungeon crawler or a puzzle, etc. So your self righteous reply doesnt make sense. Leave the schooling to your children and acolytes. Next time i wont comment as if you were intelligent.

​@RogueNinja wow, you seem to be a thoroughly unpleasant and immature person. how unfortunate, i didn't think that was the case from your previous posts on the channel...

@@rahdo yes of course, says the guy who insults other people s intelligence with arrogant remarks. Get over yourself. Yes I m unpleasant but honest and there s nothing wrong with that ;)

@@rogueninja185 actually, knowingly and purposefully being unpleasant to others... there is something wrong with that.

I can agree with you, but I also cannot miss the fact that one of the very first things you notice when looking at the Kickstarter preview of this game is a pin-up picture of a nearly nude woman who looks as if she is posing for a Playboy magazine and not preparing to leave on a grim adventure. It's really not a reason for a slew of negativity, but it does kinda communicate that the game is aimed at prepubescent males who like oogling pretty fantasy chicks and not people who want deep, engaging gameplay experience.

Nobody was raging about the sexual content of this game. The negativity wasn't coming from the ones who were simply requesting for transparency and politely expressing their disappointment at their surprise. They weren't demanding things change to conform THEIR whims. NO ONE wanted censorship. Several said it's simply not the game for them and will move on. Others that it was not great, but they'll look past it. The negativity (then) was coming from some of the other side.

ah well. it's a shame that the 'firestorm' is all from the 'defenders' of the game being rude, dismissive and insulting, while those who have concerns they'd like to express are generally polite and civil. it's funny how it always seems to turn out this way... but that's just the internet, bringing out the worst in people i suppose. gotta take the bad with the good...

@@dianarivera4307 well said, and entirely spot on! :)

Really Rahdo? I find it odd that those with so many issues with the game are backing it nevertheless, yet pestering the designers/company to no end to make changes that the majority of backers are not asking for. If you don't like a game (for any reason!) then move on and back or buy one of the myriad of other games available to you. There are games for all tastes. I like games about tea. Outrageous, I know, but that's just me.

Atleast they are honest Horizon Zero Dawn pulled a fast one on the shipping going from a posted 15$ to 45$ during pledge manager for the BASE pledge.

No, if you pay 36$, you get the Core game in August 2019. For May 2020, you should only pay $23.

@@larrye but the complete fulfillment will be finished in MAI 2020... ;)

everyone has different lines, nothing wrong with that. i suspect you'd find a LOT of people besides jen share that discomfort.

which is why i mentioned it, because it's not something you often see in boardgames, and didn't want anyone to be unnecessarily surprised, especially folks who might plan to play the game with their kids.

different people are looking for different things in their entertainment, nothing wrong with that.

different people have different personal lines. They have a right to them and to know if a game crosses that threshold. I don't get the complaining about people politely expressing ONE dislike for a game.

Did you play the game?

Mmm. I disagree. But mostly because of taste. I prefer shocking and provocative, dark content. But I come from pen-and-paper and video gaming, so naturally tabletop would not have that.

The creators posted the actual text from the event in question; it's honestly nowhere near as bad as everyone is making out.....completly blown out of proportion

Agreed.

To each their own. Go play santorini.

I think it's amazing. It's really not for everyone.