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Taiping Rebel Saber- Chinese Swords and Swordsmanship 

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Taiping Rebel Saber take a close look as Chinese Oxtail Carried during the Taiping Rebellion. Scott M. Rodell discusses the development of the Chinese Oxtail Dao (Saber), its role in combat, and how it was wielded.
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@GavsFishRoom
@GavsFishRoom Год назад
I really enjoyed this. Particularly the difference in how the ox tail is wielded compared with the willow leaf. My practice is predominantly willow leaf and I've always found the ox tail "pulls more". This vid explains why!
@scottm.rodellgrtc2969
@scottm.rodellgrtc2969 Год назад
The Oxtail Dao definitely do pull more in a cut. Which can make them interesting to train with as one has to learn better control. I recommend that in the long term, practitioners train with 4 types of dao, Willow Leaf, Goose Quill, the Oxtail, and a short duandao.
@scottm.rodellgrtc2969
@scottm.rodellgrtc2969 Год назад
@mrx085 x I've always recommended that practitioners train with weapons are are historically accurate in weight, balance, and length. So many "experts" and "masters" these days train with swords that literally have almost nothing in common with weapons of the Qing or Ming periods. Which, in all fairness, in my mind means that they have yet to begin sword training. Having said that, you do not need to commence your training with a full weight weapon. Give you wrist and elbow time to loosen up and build strength. A dao of 26" (66 cm), with a weight of 1.b lbs (700 g) is fine. Overall, I prefer a willow leaf or goose quill type as they afford better control proving for accurate cuts. All the best in your training...
@Feilu888
@Feilu888 Год назад
So very interesting to see an Oxtail Dao with Taiping markings, thanks.
@vermouthstone9446
@vermouthstone9446 Год назад
Folks prefer oxtail dao because they are more intimidating than waist dao,When you're not very good at fighting, you're in a turbulent environment and it's hard to get a gun, so you bring a weapon that looks scary
@scottm.rodellgrtc2969
@scottm.rodellgrtc2969 Год назад
I think that in a close quarters situation that perhaps any sword would be quite scary when pointed at you.
@bolverker_aka_ye
@bolverker_aka_ye Год назад
@@scottm.rodellgrtc2969 And yet, niuwei is pretty brutal. I think it’s one of the factors of its attractiveness for some modern users.) Gives an impression of power.
@scottm.rodellgrtc2969
@scottm.rodellgrtc2969 Год назад
@@bolverker_aka_ye It certainly is.
@adenyang4398
@adenyang4398 Год назад
What is your view on the standpoint on willow leaf sabres actually being more heavier than oxtail daos? Other views the oxtail being very thin, specialized for unarmored and lightly armored environments of the 19th century - while willow leaf sabres were designed with armored combat in mind, with their thick spines.
@scottm.rodellgrtc2969
@scottm.rodellgrtc2969 Год назад
If we are talking late, 19th century Oxtail Dao, then yes, many of them are noticeably lighter than standard military Willow Leaf Dao. But do keep in mind, as discussed in this video, that Oxtail Dao were a 100% non-pattern weapon. As such there are all sorts of variants. This included examples that are quite heavy.
@hamasmillitant1
@hamasmillitant1 11 месяцев назад
as someone who has used a cuped hilt for reenactment(less cuped than that) i also made it originally for strength, but i found even with a small lip of 1/2 cm i can catch spear heads and sword thrusts in it and gain control of tip & direct weapon away from me with it btw that dao is really quite advanced in its construction ive barely ever seen ppl use a intermitent fuller although it would be stronger than a full fuller with almost the same weight saving & with that swept broad tip it would cut so deep, looked to be about 17*/magic cutting angle curve you could just draw it and draw it, all the way down if you did it right the angle of curve would just keep it biting deeper & deeper by time you drew it to tip youd be 6 inches deep
@ambulocetusnatans
@ambulocetusnatans Год назад
Speaking of learning to fight in a short time, I think a good topic for a future video would be the famous Da Dao of World War 2.
@allenng2471
@allenng2471 Год назад
Yes, the WW2 dadao would be a great topic to cover. This weapon have been somewhat misalign in many modern treatise and videos. Especially by your typical westerner who suddenly became an expert of the Dadao by pronouciating it as the Day Dao, lol.
@scottm.rodellgrtc2969
@scottm.rodellgrtc2969 Год назад
@@allenng2471 Day Dao, that's amusing, guess you weren't allowed to train with it at night.
@scottm.rodellgrtc2969
@scottm.rodellgrtc2969 Год назад
Great idea, there are plenty of historical images and even vintage film of Dadao that could be worked in. Only problem is, I don't have a period example. If you know anyone who has one that would be willing to loan it, please let me know...
@ambulocetusnatans
@ambulocetusnatans Год назад
@@scottm.rodellgrtc2969 No, I don't know anyone with an antique, but I just got a reproduction from L K Chen that seems pretty accurate.
@ambulocetusnatans
@ambulocetusnatans Год назад
@@allenng2471 I knew a guy who got a fake Japanese sword, and he called it a Ninja too.
@charlesghannoumlb2959
@charlesghannoumlb2959 Год назад
Im in love with oxtale chinese saber, and when i train with it my body flows better, i think its a psychological effect but nevertheless i like it so much even if my intial martial art is kenjutsu, resoect sifu
@smrsevenstarstradingco.241
@smrsevenstarstradingco.241 Год назад
The sword arts can give so much to our lives. Thanks for your support brother.
@-Zevin-
@-Zevin- Год назад
Great video! It's always a joy when I see you have posted new content. Matt Easton over at ScholaGladiatoria had a interesting hypothesis about another function of the lip on the disk guard of these type of dao, that part of their function may have been a rain guard when inserted into a scabbard, do you find this idea plausible?
@smrsevenstarstradingco.241
@smrsevenstarstradingco.241 Год назад
Honestly, no.
@-Zevin-
@-Zevin- Год назад
@@smrsevenstarstradingco.241 What rational do you have for saying no? Rain protection on swords or sword scabbards is a incredibly common feature found around the world in numerous cultures. Getting water on a carbon steel blade is bad, and we are talking about people who carried their weapons, rain or shine, in rough backcountry every single day in many cases. Are you saying the Chinese for some reason were not concerned about protecting their sword blades when most other cultures did? Feel free to elaborate..
@smrsevenstarstradingco.241
@smrsevenstarstradingco.241 Год назад
@@-Zevin- It’s an error to make a leap that because a feature on one sword type, from a culture on the one side of the world is similar to one on the other side to assume that they were developed for the same reason. Note that Japanese swords are highly prized in their culture. Katana have disk guards. Yet they never developed a flanged disk guard. It is generally believed that the disk guard was widely adopted onto Chinese swords in the early Ming when large numbers of Japanese swords and blank guards were imported to China. These early guards were iron. Unlike Japan, China had a national army of sorts, not local feudal forces. This meant that the state had to bear the cost of making very large numbers of weapons. Costs were reduced by marking the guards thinner and strengthening them with a flange. This is not a significant savings if one is producing a few swords. But is if you are making tens of thousands. Short answer, the flanged guard was developed to save material while not sacrificing strength. Note that after the Conquest Period, flanged guards were commonly constructed of brass and not iron, a cheaper material.
@robertmccann5838
@robertmccann5838 Год назад
Very cool video. Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
@mugenGRTC
@mugenGRTC Год назад
Thanks, more coming...
@dlatrexswords
@dlatrexswords Год назад
Love the review of the sword in it's context in history! Great unusual example of nieweidao. Given its large blade size, do you feel that it's grip length is there strictly for balance (off setting the weight), or would you anticipate some "hand and a half" daofa?
@scottm.rodellgrtc2969
@scottm.rodellgrtc2969 Год назад
I don't think there is any question that the grip length is to counter-balance the sword. Having said that, at the end of a long battle, arms total worn out, sure, there's room for a two-handed grip. We just have to keep in mind the difference between genuine, proper long two-handed Chinese sabers, like the Dandao and Changdao, and single handed dao that have a longer grip.
@raphlvlogs271
@raphlvlogs271 2 месяца назад
some of them probably had European made sabre blades because during the early modern era blades manufactured in Germany were exported and can sold to various parts of the globe where they were hilted locally
@KF1
@KF1 Год назад
Interesting stuff
@smrsevenstarstradingco.241
@smrsevenstarstradingco.241 Год назад
Thanks my friend.
@darth8freak
@darth8freak Месяц назад
Is the back edge every sharpened towards/at the tip section, or is it just simply thinner for weight/smithing reason?
@manderin9806
@manderin9806 Год назад
Great vid thank you kindly 🙇 Strikes me as pirate saber 😁got a cutles look to it, maybe some Spanish influence 🤔
@charlesghannoumlb2959
@charlesghannoumlb2959 Год назад
Sifu, i would like to take some swordmanship classes next year if you dont mind, specially miodao, ill be in canada next year in summer so i guess it would be easier
@mugenGRTC
@mugenGRTC Год назад
You can jump into training anytime Online at the Academy, it will help you get the Basic Cuts& Footwork Down, making In-Person Seminars a lot more effective for you- www.chineseswordacademy.com/membershipsandcourses
@charlesghannoumlb2959
@charlesghannoumlb2959 Год назад
@@mugenGRTC thank you very much for the reply, ill consider joining of course
@eliskaliska1792
@eliskaliska1792 Год назад
hello, I've been interested in the shapes of handguards on chinese swords and their relationship to specific fighting styles - such as the note about this particular sabers one. I've heard for another example that the classic taichi jian handguard helps to control the dual edge sword movements back and forth, maybe it can help with edge alignment... however there are also plenty of other designs that seemingly doesn't make much sense to me and there was also the argument that when you use the sword also as you shield the handguard could be tiny etc... makes me wonder 🤔
@scottm.rodellgrtc2969
@scottm.rodellgrtc2969 Год назад
There are some modern myths about "taiji" swords. Historically speaking, the number of taijiquan practitioners was extremely small given the size of the population and clustered in a few small areas. There was never a large enough group practicing in these lineages to create a market for a different weapon. More to the point, there isn't anything that a practitioner of swordsmanship from a taijiquan lineage needs in a sword that isn't exactly the same as what every other practitioner needs from his or her sword. A simple way of saying this is, when you need a hammer, you to hardware store and purchase one. You don't sit down and start trying to design a new type of hammer that might work better, might not. You gotta do the same job as everyone else with your hammer, that the tool for that job was figured out long ago.
@eliskaliska1792
@eliskaliska1792 Год назад
@@scottm.rodellgrtc2969 thank you, that surely is correct. I´m not designing my own piece differently by the way, I´m building a personal one for my training and I´m the "why" person sometimes with hyperfocus. Thank you for sharing the knowledge
@scottm.rodellgrtc2969
@scottm.rodellgrtc2969 Год назад
@@eliskaliska1792, my pleasure, best of luck.
@wirawanasril4463
@wirawanasril4463 Год назад
👍
@smrsevenstarstradingco.241
@smrsevenstarstradingco.241 Год назад
Thanks!
@wirawanasril4463
@wirawanasril4463 Год назад
You are welcome
@elshebactm6769
@elshebactm6769 Год назад
🤠👍🏿
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