Taking On The BEST MISSILES In War Thunder | F-14B v MiG-29G 

Too bad the plane is crap in WT due to radar missiles being completely useless when people are near the deck (in reality, that radar + the ER having a good seeker would easily allow it to hit even low targets much of the time). Then in the merge, it's so heavy and shit at turning it loses to phantoms from the vietnam era.

​@mavor101 This is not true, R27ER was recommended to be only used above 4k ft IRL

@@mavor101Actually in reality, the R-27’s seekerhead was pretty terrible. Yes, sparrows for the most part sucked but by the time the aim7M came around and it’s future variants it was mostly fixed (I say mostly because the sparrow was still failing sometimes in desert storm). Meanwhile the R-27R didn’t really do well in any war it’s been used in

Same with the yak 141, since both have the zhuk radar but the yak being at 12.0 it’s op in that 11.3 downtier since nowadays 12.7 is the max br

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Dude I honestly screamed a little bit when I saw that. That was absolutely bonkers.

especially r73, it should have better irccm then aim9m

@@spacemane_official Even still tho its waaaaaay better than the 9m like its not even close. pair that with the ET which is effectively a R73 with the speed of an Er1 its just insane. Meanwhile altho the f16 dances over the mig29 flight performance wise, it gets the 9m which is decent but other than that it gets an aim7m which id argue with how games are nowadays its effectively useless, making it better to just take all 9ms

@@atlasrowe864I would argue the aim9m is more well rounded than the r73 which is quite specialized. The 9m is especially amazing in GRB.

@@lazer2238 K but its air rb nobody gives a shit about ground rb. Plus the f16c is just the best cas plane in game rn with smokeless agms and the lanter pod. So of course its good in GB. But in terms of air RB the r73 wins every time, like it becomes straight up op especially in head ons if you launch it under 2km, if they aren’t pre flaring its a guaranteed kill. Rear aspect they are both great, but mig advantage is the r73 can get that side or rear aspect shot without even looking at the plane with HMD. Whereas yes the f16C also has HMD however you still have to loft the missile a bit with the nose of the craft.

​@@atlasrowe864 9m is also strong in air sim, the smokeless burner lets it sneak up on migs because there is no diamond to point out that it has been launched

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Average r-73 kill

Seeing the R-73 do crazy pulls and avoid flares to guarantee a kill is one of the funs of using it

@@MangoNOW the tomcat’s very hot engines make it even more possible

This makes me remember back when the Sraams where cracked. Pain in the ass when you don’t have flares

Huge if, rarely ever happens in an actual match

not the old fm of the block 10, theres no way he could beat a pilot thats know what hes doing in the blk 10 pre buff, its flaps were too op in rate fights

i duel better than defyn in dogfights, theres a lot of pilots that fly better than defyn in 1v1s, not air rb tho. smigol time is the best at air rb

@@toyotawitha20mm35 Sure bud

​@@toyotawitha20mm35smigol got destroyed by defyn...

Sounds like a solid tactic until your missiles don't connect and you get out-rated

@@specc_s1452 ya, but that is the mig 29's only real trick in a dogfight. Once you get down to a certin speed the mig 29 can dump its speed faster tha most other planes.

Yeah, it works when they’re not fully 90 degrees, the chaff filter of the missile can still hit the target. But if they’re 90 degrees, which they will be considering you’re not holding a PD lock anymore and have the necessity to switch to SRC in the first place, the missile is easily chaffed.

you're first congrats

F14D which will surely, 1000% come sooner or later, might have AMRAAMs, AIM9X and, maybe, HMD. Though, with that kind of armament that will be not so soon.

@@vavord5181 F-14D will not get 9X, it will not get HMD because it never had it

I hope that F-14A gets 9L and 12,0 and F-14B 9M and 12,3

Stop spreading misinformation. My grandpa works for Gaijin and he told me the F-14D is getting 9X's.@@theKEY.-

patience my friend

“Shake My Head” my head?

Doesnt matter when it arrives gaijin will give it the same missles and the same loadout as the F14B minus ground pounding

​@@davidvillarreal4889Well no. It certainly won't have Aim-54's. It will get AMRAAMs but maybe not on launch.

But being able to pull more aoa just doesn't mean that it'll be bleeding more energy?

​@@francoarca2122 High AoA is only achievable at lower speeds otherwise it would disintegrate your aircraft. But at speeds lower than 500kmh yes it would bleed speed faster but you would complete the circle much faster as well gaining you a valuable position for Fox-2s or guns. Generally for 1 circle fights you need that low speed / small radius with high AoA to win the fights which the 29 can do really well against the F14/16 , but not in WT unfortunately. A US pilot that got to fly the MiG29 said it's like a Hornet in steroids.

R73 gets harder to flare the longer it is on the feild. In a 1v1 you only have one target to look out for so all you have to do is flare once and its gone, in 16v16 you might only see the r73 when its already half way there when its irccm shrinks its fov and its much harder to doge

@@KingMen1Force the F-18 pulls much better AOA and pulls it more consistently than the mig 29, without g limiters the F-18 is also better in a rate fight. the f-18 would beat the mig 29 in both circles in a dogfight if flown right without limiters. i think you mean the SU-27, which is basically the best gen 4 to take into a dogfight

@@toyotawitha20mm35 Chill we ain't talking about DCS. The F18 in DCS out rates easily the F16 which should not be the case IRL. Even the Tomcat was pulling 26 degrees STR until they "fixed" It. The 29 can keep up with the Hornet for a bit in the 1 circle as long as it utilizes it's T/W advantage by using the vertical in a scissors type maneuvers, and should be able to beat it in a 2 circle. The Su27 is great in 1 circle but will struggle in a 2 circle against a Fulcrum. The MiG29 is like a F16 but with the ability to fight in the 1 circle as well, while the F16 struggles there( in the 2 circle F16 beats it by around 1 deg/sec) The F18 beats 29 in the 1 circle but loses in a 2 circle, same for Su27. The F15 is pretty similar to the MiG29 in BFM as in they can do well in both 1 and 2 circle fight. The F15 should have a slight advantage on 1 circle while the MiG29 a slight on 2 circle. Generally all 4th gen are pretty equal to each other, it just comes down making the other guy playing your fight.

First map I removed. Having a map bigger than Moldava for 8v8 props was so annoying.

@@bradenhagen7977 undoubtedly annoying with Props especially if you didnt capture the island airfield. Probably more interesting with Jets.

Let’s hope gaijin doesn’t fix that until they add the aim-120

cant cuz lock + launch warning

@@goliath3413 breaking lock imedietly when shooting doesnt give them the launch warning. holding them on tws doesnt give a lock warning. relocking with tws once missle is close doesnt give them the incoming missle warning. its cheese.

@@carlosdanger788 im so sure it does give warning. You get warning when f14 launches in tws and when spaa launches without lock.

@@goliath3413if an F14 launches in TWS, the warning you’re getting it from the radar of the AIM-54, since TWS is not a “lock/track” radar sig, RWRs in game can’t see when someone launches on you in TWS, unless they physically lock you with their tracking radar afterwards.

@@LittleBill5463 a warning is a warning.

it’s definitely possible, i’ve done it on accident a few times but i’ve never thought about using it on purpose. i’ll try it out and get back to you

9X is too much....but M block II would be a good idea right now

The Phoenix was basically a flying telephone pole meant to hit LARGE targets. It can hit smaller ones, but don't expect it to. Also I have no idea why people think the C variant is some kind of divine upgrade or something when it was just a swap of analog electronics to digital.

​@@TheByQQDepends what you make of Iran's reports of their air war against Iraq. They claim a hundred phoenix kills against fighters.

The real heart of the complaint against AIM-54 performance in game is not really kinematic it's guidance. The thing just doesn't pick up on targets reliably without continuous guidance from the launcher.

@@TheByQQ yes the aim54 was designed to hit large targets but it also was good at hitting small targets because of the speeds it would reach, when a missile is moving several times the speed of sound it isn't thrown off as easily by a maneuvering target, this is because the targets change in direction is so insignificant compared to the missiles closing distance, i would compare this to trying to doge a head on in a biplane vs a f16, it doesn't work because your change in direction is so insignificant. IRL the difference between the aim54a and the aim54c is that the A variant will go stupid if the lock is lost unless it has gotten close enough to the target to go pitbull on the target, this means that is capable of completing the last leg of the journey without the f14 locking the target so long as it was close enough for it to use its own guidance system. the aim54c was upgraded with a new seeker head allowing it to track the target on its own even if it has not gone pitbull, of course it doesn't have as good of a chance at hitting the target but if the target does not turn cold it will destoy it, irl a f14 would be unrivaled in bvr if all its competition lacked missiles that could guide themselves if the lock was broken because the enemy target would be pushed further and further out until it was destroyed

@@appa609 ya, thats realistic for the A variant but not the C

The only reason the MiG-29 is any good in BVR is that the R27ER is a much more modern SARH missile than anything else in game. It didn't enter service until the '90s. If the MiG was limited to just R27Rs, the F-14 would walk all over it.

@@empiricalmadman3260 he isn't talking about bvr tho

@francoarca2122 Yes. I didn't read the thing.

the mig 29 is indeed under preforming

@@empiricalmadman3260 agreed. And yeah, I was talking about the flight performance, as close in dogfighting is more fun imo than simply looking at someone and then they die.

Which is why rate of climb is useful

I think he was actually trying to get closer so he could fire a sparrow. The phoenix is easy to defeat in war thunder, you can actually kinematically defeat it without hugging the deck. You probably need to be at lower altitude than where they were fighting, but you can actually dodge them. And tws in war thunder is weird, it likes to switch targets kind of randomly. In this video there's only one target so it's fine, but in an actual game you can see it do that

@@poopstick924can you defeat it without breaking lock on your bad guy?

@maximumvibe9355 yeah I think so. I'm pretty sure you can straight up dodge it as it comes at you, just have to roll and crank and shit. Definitely have to be at lower altitude though, probably below 3k meters

@@poopstick924 makes sense. but one of the advantages of skating like that is that whoever is hot first doesnt really matter because they're out of parameters for a shot anyway if theyre so low.

@maximumvibe9355 yeah that's true. But it's easy to notch the phoenix, even the aim54c. Also really easy to notch the f14. Like I said, I think he was just trying to get closer to be able to fire sparrows

You see that’s interesting because the C has objectively worse flight performance than the ADF and A F16s…

@@SeekerHead Yeah, which I thought was a bit odd too. I think that by the time players have grinded through the ADF and A variants they are very comfortable with the aircraft's general performance characteristics and strengths and so are more difficult to fight. Though I did recently have match where the take-off flaps on the Mig-29G let me stay on the 6 of very good ADF pilot. Almost ran each other out of fuel.

You’re just not fighting good players, which is typical of air rb. The MiG29 simply loses to any and all F16s

Nah you are right. Shooting high G’s missiles at less than a 1.5 km ( except the R60 and other missiles that are very easy to flare) is literally almost impossible to flare

@@OzzyTheWild Eh could be reduced by better positioning but it is annoying to have someone spotted 2km or less of your 6 and have them kill you purely because you couldn't defend.

That's the 4th gen meta. If you get to a merge you have to turn because you can not get enough straight line separation in his turn time to beat his missile. That's why pilots talk the merge when they mean an acm fight.

@@appa609 its not though? It's 16 vs 16. There is too many people to keep track of if you turn with the first person you merge with. You will die.

@@spray916 yeah exactly

AIm-54C is not underperforming, the radar of F-14A and B is missing some features especially the F14B radar, to get the full potential of Aim-54Cs

@@theKEY.- so in other words, it’s underperforming. Sounds like your argument is with the cause (which man never asserted), rather than the effect

the missile itself is not underperforming, its the radar of F-14B missing some fearture (features that affect gameplay but not the performance of the missile @@thatcarguydom266

it's not underperforming, it's the radars. You instantly lose lock/can't see if someone is notching, chaff is too strong vs search mode and too weak vs pd. People can over G their aircraft and not suffer any consequence thus making much easier to defeat missiles. On top of the hugging the ground exploit which is too forgiving

@@natsugaludao2340 see previous comment

Usually Norway

@@SeekerHeadthank you also I tried this format on another map and it’s surprisingly fun. My friends think the F-14 is the best bvr fighter so you can imagine the surprise they felt when the ER came rolling in at Mach Jesus while I had them on the gimbal of 90 degrees fun times

Bro phly was an original war thunder youtuber, he derseved the 1 mil. Seek also deserves 1 mil

@@jurassicjack2937 Phyl barely posts he hasn't in 2 months

@@EricThyKaiser he's got a life to live bro let him do his own thing

I'm pretty sure Seek wouldn't want you to compare him with Phly as you can just enjoy both of them. Sure Phly haven't posted in a long time but bro got 2 kids and a wife. So cut em some slacks

@@arbitercs It's his job.

I think it would be clearly advantageous, but AIM120 v R27ER is less of a gap than R27ER v Sparrow

@@SeekerHead thanks

No its a waste of time

that's what I thought, seems sad that so many wt creators will sell out so hard@@lynx-alpha2073

Good thing that’s not in war thunder and your comment doesn’t relate to my video in any capacity 👍

@@SeekerHead wrong u said f16 can beat MiG-29 in dogfight Then i said ^ And why is it a good thing it's not in warthunder yet? R u usa biased?

As with all of my videos, and what I would’ve thought is common sense to most people, my statements are relating to war thunder (what is on your screen) unless I specifically mention otherwise. Why would I start talking about real life performance of planes, when I’m making a video about war thunder? Better question is why would you assume i am? “Good thing” is sarcasm, referencing the fact that since im talking only about war thunder, that your comment is completely irrelevant and entirely out of left field to the point of the video

this fight can go differently in sim controls but yeah a mig 29 losing to a f14 in WVR/BFM is just like comically wrong lmao

radar missiles don't care about flares

ive been noticing this seeker uploads videos like hes a pro but then does shit like this like thats basics of falring

@@haxaclappaoh my bad, didn’t realize it was an ER, thought it was a r-73.

@@mistermaster38 you fool, it was a radar guided missile and it never even lost lock in the first place

@martras2237 proves my point even better then You dont flare for radar missles This clips isnt the only example either lol

But not in sim

Pl-8 is bad

Do you care to 1v1? So you can demonstrate these tactics of course

@@SeekerHead I’ll respectfully decline. However if you want to know my technique so you can try it yourself, it’s just pulling a vertical right away no afterburners (or use afterburners if you need to fly higher), and pull in around 1000kph-800kph (use flaps if needed). You’ll turn like a spitfire and still have relatively good speed 400kph-600kph and you’ll gain more speed if your opponent is underneath you. It also normally puts you in a good spot for an r73 since most of the time you’ll be looking at the top of their aircraft.

Your technique doesn’t mean anything to me if you won’t actually prove it. All talk.

@@SeekerHead I don’t need to prove anything to you bud. I told you what to do so you can see for yourself, but if you’re going to be so willfully ignorant and petty about it because I said your friend sucks at flying the mig29g, so be it.

Or perhaps you’re just wrong and too scared to prove you’re right. It’s not that deep man, just preventing misinformation in the comments of my videos.

thats just how the mig 29 goes

@martras2237 not when i play it I can actually move mine Usually about on par with the flat turn fighting they did half way thru Also some clips it looks like joob just let him get the kill

You can be the MiG29 in the next video

nah the mig29 is actually shit in game. was at a meh spot earlier then gaijin just nerfed it out of nowhere n now gave it a small buff , its still shit tho.

Care to show the class how the 29 wins?

Do it, put your money where your mouth is. I just KNOW he will put you on the show

Dude I've literally beat 2 mig29Gs in the F-14A lol, it's actually not hard at all. One turn and that mig29 I'd outa energy.

You can kill anything in anything on very specific occasions but if the enemy pilot is just ass there’s no point

i can guarantee you that against 2 evenly skilled players, that dogfight will almost always favor the f14 just because its better in keeping its energy up

Right, I’m sure you’ll do better 💪🏻

@@martras2237 no , it looses energy fast , but is better in slow turnfights

This is simply misinformation

@@spacemane_official it has a high aoa at high speeds, but once its slow it will brick up and lose all of the turning capability it had. The f14 with the wings fully unswept will be able to keep turning and turning even at low speeds which allows it to out rate most russian planes, even more modern ones.