Tallinn - Soviet Super Hipper 

you dont have to pronounce bagration like you do xD just spell what you read literally and it will be correct

There's a sound desync ma dude

LEGO camo is awful

Equipment setup ? Commander skills ?

wasnt it the video freezing?

Comrade Stalin does not like when you talk about desync.

@@mornbar1 Yeh i got Desync followed by a freeze which almost caught the audio up.

Sooo all we need to do is put Russian flags on ALL our ships lol

@@adszvolcano4007 Putin's agenda has been revealed. Taking over the world by convincing everyone of Russian superiority via WG.

Yup. Yet they still can't make a good car. That's communism for you.

May I have a Shimovkazov? Pretty please!

@@Stolens87 Just imagine a Stalimoto BB :D With Isoroko Kuznetsov cpt :D :D :D 910mm guns, shell speed 2392mps and fuse arming of 20mm, AP dmg per shell 21,000, 14km Flack range and 1200 mid/close range AA dpm, 208,000 HP, 46kts speed and 300m turning circle with 8s rudder shift but poor AA mouth HP of 900hp...

Yeah i think it's out of sync too

What the shit, how did that even happen. Voice is keeping up fine but in-game audio is a mess. That's messed up 😭

Flamu talking about desync in a desynced video. Classic 😀

@@Flamuu It's been happening in quite a few videos, not just yours.

@@Flamuu i think if you alt tab out to a second monitor when the replay is running it desync the audio. cuz at one point the audio was just gone. so i think thats why it gets like that

Well, WG has to save the dying RU server population somehow.

So people on the RU server only play russian ships?

Not defending WG because this ship is admittedly bullshit, but Hipper, Prinz Eugen, and Mainz all have the same icebreaker. Apart from plating and the 40mm turtleback slope the armor scheme is identical to Hipper's.

Historical buffs are only for stronk soviet ships komrad, other nations just pull designs out of ass.

@@SaltySaiyan98 I believe the russian players just like tanks more and go to WOT instead to WOWS and biased soviet ships wont get them back.

The dokuments are perfectly clear. There were no failures, flaws or losses. Just masterpieces that had the foresight to include features perfectly suited to this video game.

No problems with the RBMK builds were documented or accessible by the proletariat.

@ jamesngotts indeed, many young players will have this game as their first input of history and will believe it. I had it several times in our clan that guys at some time asked baffled: - "what, that ship didn´t actually exist? " :o - No, your beloved Moskva/Conq/Stalin did not exist :I

@@estoyaqui5386 There are two things that are endless, the universe and human stupidity. But I am not so sure about the universe. Albert Einstein

On the other hand, the massive flaws German DDs had (bad stability /top-heavy, cracks in the hull, malfunctioning torpedos in the early years of the war) don't matter in the game. But yeah, I get your point.

SOVIET POWER SUPREME!

Tallinn is Estonian

@@joannekapp7150 The ship, not the city, dear.

Don't forget the dispersion of a dental drill!

@@joannekapp7150 And Estonia was a soviet republic until the 1990's.

look like my zao with the legendary mod lol

it has improved dispersion curve on like rus bbs

Shhhhh, is balans comrad. No more of your shenanigans or *GULAG.*

Yeah my Zao does this too.

That's because the new cruisers have the Soviet BB dispersion pattern, which means they are more accurate than other cruisers at short to mid ranges and less accurate than other cruisers at long ranges. Which probably means they are more accurate than other cruisers at most ranges and less accurate than other cruisers at their ridiculously good maximum ranges.

cause russian bias

Blyat

Because Odin is german and needs to be balance which it isnt anymore after the HP nerf and the Soviet ships need to be balans.

Because you can get the Odin for 1/3 normal price... and it's German... so it has to be s***! That said short fuses are the most op on ships with rail guns (especially those with laser-accurate rail guns), on ships like the RN BBs, it's a curse because the slower shells can't make it far enough into the ship/under the water before they explode.

Damn biased balanz dude

It's because Germans do everything better than Russians....

Making it Russian removes the only flaw this ship has in WG's eyes, gud balans tovarish.

Because as we all know, German engineering is awful and their navy was terrible. Which is why the Tallin is better than anything the Germans ever made, because it was finished by the technically far superior and greatly experienced Russian navy and engineers...

@@Gorillazilla93 Who managed to build Destroyers that would quite literally shake themselves apart if they approached their maximum speed, and whose reload systems were so bad that several Battleships had a faster rate of fire.... You mean THAT navy?

@@alganhar1 Yeah that's the one, truly magnificent :)

Not to mention: Smaller guns + fractionally slower reload -> balanced with 50% more guns, laser like accuracy, rail gun velocity, no drag, massive penetration values, improved pen angles, lower fuse threshold and shorter fuse time. And HE that's just as good.

@@sergarlantyrell7847 Difference between 1930~ shells and 1950~60 shells. IRL at least, in game it should not be as it is.

@@DarkStar14n shells don't get magically exponentially better with time. She'll design isn't exactly very sophisticated, it's not like an aeroplane where they're complicated shapes that have to balance lift and drag around fitting in the structure and meeting the functional requirements. Supersonic wave drag is relatively trivial, by far the biggest consideration is how pointy the shells are, as well as the slenderness and relative density. There's a bit of optimizing that could be done but by the 30's people were already making 6crh shells which were a big improvement over the 4crh shells of ww1, but they didn't increase the point much if any beyond that.

@@sergarlantyrell7847 So better propellants and explosives do not matter? Harder materials allowing for faster impact speeds? Faster and more sturdier fuses? All that did not change?

@@DarkStar14n Certainly you can get better propellants (though you can also compensate for that with a larger charge) but that doesn't affect shell drag. The main concern about very high velocity guns is the barrel wear, a problem they only really addressed in the late 70's and 80's on both side of the iron curtain. While by the 80's Russian metalergy was some of the best in the world, back in the 50's was nothing to write home about... This is all a little bit pointless because the Tallin was a late 40's design, rather than 50's, let alone 60's and the guns they planned to use were designed in 1931-33. The gun only reached 91% of its target muzzle velocity irl (and that was with a new gun), because barrel wear would have been such a problem, muzzle velocity would have very quickly reduced from even that, but also accuracy would have been awful.

General Rattobi

@@Balazs227 Nah. They hate the IJN even more.

@@Balazs227 WG salty that their far superior russian paper navy didn't beat the very real KM and the IJN.

@@codexhunter7836 KM wasnt exactly good

@@Feffdc I'm not saying the IJN or KM were good, I'm just saying that WG still salty that their paper navy couldn't beat the Japanese or German navy. An example of that for the Japanese is Tsushima.

You could start grinding the Russian line lol.

There are moments you enjoy this game just like back in the days - no cv in the battle. And I'm not alone with that opinion.

@@IconProduction01 I gave in and started up the Soviet BBs. Sinop gives me the most fun and the best results of any ship I own.

I left 3 months ago after playing 4 years, after seeing this, dont miss it. nothing changes with WG bias.

If they give the option of games with and without cv. and as said before, play Russian ships.

The game is probably better off without you. I hope more follow your example.

Sorry mate, but this ammount of bootlicking isn´t enough to get a greek T10 BB that kicks ass. Maybe you like to do an extra mile?

@@Sfirodrepanoskarxarias Russian bias was a problem before the eternal weekend has begun, back when match quality was a thing that existed. Additionally, as an actually bad Player that has embraced the bias I can confirm that yes, it exists. I perform considerably better in Russian ships then any other nations' comparable shisp for some reason… and I'm convinced this reason is the ships simply having better stats. Because they do.

@@Sfirodrepanoskarxarias you don't get it don't you? Bad players and Soviet goddam Bias are not the same thing, like apples and oranges. Every idiot and his mother know how cancerosly strong and easy to play the Smolensk is, so obviously a lot of wallet warriors just sit still in the smoke and keep clicking away until they got torped or blapped or radared/hydroed and obliterated. How many of these wallet warrior have the dedication to grind a fantasy british line for heavy cruisers and get up to Goliath Jumping from horrible ship to horrible ship? Just someone so skilled and easy riding to get there in less then 100 games, and yet the difference is just 3% in VR... This should tell you something about BALLANS and may be it's time for you to STFU: you are making a fool of yourself.

@@Leptospirosi exactly what I had said in a previous comment, which "conveniently" got deleted, guess someone's feelings were hurt

oh boi do I have news for you

Russian CVs are out😅😅

Because this ship is actually MORE historical than most of the RN heavy cruisers. The RN didn't build any heavy cruisers after the County class. At least this ship actually existed in some form!

@@BtD_007 Agreed, but I was referring to the actual performance between two lines released not too far in time from one another.

Greg Rientjes The sovetsky soyuz was technically real by that logic.

@@BtD_007 It doesn't change the fact that they went out of their way to make a heavy RN CA line made it meh as fuck and then release glorious soviet cruisers that make other CA's look mediocre in comparison

@@BtD_007 - Except those 180 mm triple turrets were so cramped they could only fire twice per minute, so they had battleship reload speed. So much for anything like historical accuracy.

they dont... SOVIET POWER SUPREME

They take a russian flag and *Puff* balance is not of importance anymore. It is the magical anti balance russian flag, makes everything OP.

they're fucking over everyone so people will buy premium ships. Maybe WG was bought out by EA?

Everybody cares. Just not WG, the only thing they care about is kkomrade ships being strong.

What are you talking about comrade, of course it historically correct. Our political officer told us how the glorious soviet navy was vastly superior to all other bourgeois capitalist navies of the time.

Spreadsheet made by our glorious political officer says you are having fun, tovarisch. Glory to the Soviet Republics Navy, stronker than any propaganda ship made by capitalist pigs!

yes, there is even desync issues in videos about the game

This is balance factor, I guess.

Mogami can cry in the corner. It only has better HE alpha. That's it.

Shall we look at what they WERE able to put to sea? Destroyers that would literally shake themselves apart if they reached their maximum speed, or that had a distressing desire to become part of the Soviet Submarine Fleet in anything other than a flat Calm? How about 'fast firing' destroyer guns that ended up with a rate of fire that would make Heavy cruisers laugh at them, and 'fast firing' cruiser guns that would make Battleships cringe? Shame the reality of the interwar and WWII Soviet Navy is about as far removed from WoWS as its possible to get. I mean, they only BUILT one Tashkent, and that was for a bloody good reason. Hell, the Russians went cap in hand to the Italians to FIX their designs......

@@alganhar1 and the Italian navy which was actually built and quite good has basically been ignored. And the soviets didn't have the tech for their armor plating either and those destroyer guns sucked otherwise because in an effort to get a high velocity they overcharged them

okay then give them meaningful (DF)AA, lel

Wonder why.....

We all know WG are assholes that couldn't care less about their players they could be German, American or Chinese and they'd still not give any shits. i wonder if they do business with EA...

If you look at history the Germans and Russians have always been adversaries. This goes back hundreds of years I guess some things don't change

History will be accurate this time round.

Russian company and the game has a large Russian playerbase. Russians have a reputation for being a tad nationalistic and it shows in game. The servers are Russia (CIS), Europe, North America and Southeast Asia. WG's own staff play the Russian server (those who do play) so it's partly an echo chamber thing. There's a strong desire for the Italian BB and DD lines on the EU and NA servers and the pressure is slowly growing, both with time as as the EU/NA servers are now eclipsing the Russian server as the cash cows. Thing is, the Russian server pop is in slow decline so WG keeps waffling, trying to attract their home market back with absurdly strong shiny toys. The silly thing is that while Russian players like the idea of strong Russian ships, the Russian server is known for more aggressive BB brawling than the other servers (so really well suited to other nations like the Germans and American brawlers). Of course, by now, Russian ships are so well known to be overpowered that while players bitch about Russian ships, they gobble up those sweet sweet Soviet imaginary boats knowing they'll be easy mode.

good one

Best comment award goes to...

No komrade you see this ship was improved by the glorious motherland, on paper anyway. But still!

Is reinforced with glorious potato!

That's why WG made the shell faster. Shorter fuse plus faster velocity equals same pen. But now it's just easier to hit targets...

2/3 fuse

@@bradleygarlak8283 Shells don't keep their speed after they hit obstacles, fyi, but WG have kept a lid on the details of this implementation AFAIK.

Aurora. And more.

You mean it wouldn't have fired in WWII because it wasn't built nor designed this way.

No man its the holy hands of Stalin and Lenin guiding these shells from communist heaven lol

After Tsushima Russian (and later - Soviet) navy went for the "high velocity-high ballistics" guns on pretty everything, from destroyers to battleships. As Tallinn seems to have the improved guns from Kirov type cruisers, that part looks at least somewhat reasonable.

@@mdokuch96 Oh look, so the Russians went for exactly the same thing the Germans did. Compare Russian vs German gun performance in that meme (I refuse to call it game anymore), and then say again "that part looks at least reasonable" ;) ;)

@@ramjb well, if to compare with the Hipper-class guns, Soviet 180-mm has longer range, thought their shell velocity is still somewhat comparable. How it is in the game - I honestly have no idea.

@@mdokuch96 Well the soviet 180mm gun had longer range because it was mounted in turrets with 50º elevation. Meanwhile the german 203mm guns were mounted in turrets with 37º of elevation. Said in other words: the longer range of the soviet gun had absolutely nothing to do with terminal ballistics but with the fact that the guns could elevate much higher. A quick look into navweaps.com throws the following source data: German 203mm SK34 in twin turret: AP projectile weight 122kg Muzzle Velocity: 3030fps Max range at max elevation: 33500m Average (practical) Rate of fire per gun: 4-5 Mean average Barrel life: 300 rounds Soviet 180mm Pattern 2 gun triple mount: AP Projectile weight 97kg Muzzle velocity: 3020fps Max range at max elevation: 37.000m-ish Average (practical) Rate of fire per gun: 2 Mean average Barrel life: 70 rounds Now anyone who knows a bit about ballistics understands that unless something TRULY weird is going on if you shoot two comparable projectiles at a similar elevation and muzzle velocity, one heavier than the other, the heavier one is going to have much better terminal ballistics (meaning: it'll reach farther, better retain speed over farther distances so will reach there sooner, and will keep better armor piercing ability accordingly so). But here in this meme (not a game, a meme) somehow we have to accept that when two projectiles are fired at roughly the same muzzle velocity, but one is 20% lighter than the other, the lighter projectile reaches farther, reaches there faster, and penetrates better, against all the known physical and ballistic rules mankind has known since the first time they used projectiles. Well, that's such a load of dung that there's absolutely no redemption to it. Yes, the soviet mount allowed those guns to reach farther, but only because of their higher elevation. It's telling that having a 13º higher firing angle than the german guns, the 180mm only reached up to maybe 4km more than the german ones. Guess what would happen if fired at same elevations? - exactly Also let's not forget that soviet guns reloaded roughly 100 to 150% slower in practice (only time they exceeded 2 rounds per minute in the soviet triple turrets was on trials, with turrets full to the brim of ready to use ammunition), that the soviet triple 180mm turret had some truly WILD dispersion problems due to muzzle interference, and that only after 70 shots the gun already stupidly absurd dispersion would've even more ruined by the barrel being totally worn out. Meanwhile in the meme (I still refuse to call it a game) "Da, comrade, Stronk 180mm guns, shitty nazi 203mm guns. Stalin approves" And somehow you find that load of bull "somewhat reasonable"? ;) ;) ;) ;). Nope mate, trust me, there's absolutely been nothing reasonable done by WarGaming for years at this point...and certainly this isn't an exception.

yes, the short-radar-duration, poor-turning-circle Baltimore. Kappu flamuW

@@00bean00 yes, but with great ballistics, penetration. range, good armor

HAAAHHHH??!

Yes. Hipper might have been good a long time ago... But nowadays? It's pretty useless...

Don’t be surprised. We saw it coming from miles away. We have to get used to this shit because WG will never change their approach to soviet ships

"long range AA" It's a Hipper-class so the bulk of the AA is on the 3.5km. The difference on the 100-dps aura is 5.2 vs 5.8

00bean00 still gonna be more effective in game than hipper tho

​@@00bean00 exactly , still gonna be more effective. Taking also into account that sometimes planes get closer until your AA actually starts firing. So having more range is always better. Especially cause I think its still bugged or laggy sometimes making my AA shoot when planes are already 300 to 500m into my AA range lol

so sad but true

>Give Hipper a radar "No radar for Axis" was a joke I made like 3 years ago...

lul Pepega how 2 rudder + range play??

It was NOT A COPY, it was an actual german-build ship that was sold to Russia in a partly-finished stated, but the Russkys never managed to finish it and fit it out for duty.

@@memyshelfandeye318 so it was a BAD COPY. Same design, partially builded by germans, building completed by russians in a bad way. BAD COPY, that irl was more laughable than its so so original