TALONS OF THE EMPEROR DESTROY PRIMARIS! 

Brother, I am Alpharius.

Oooo, that's too good. This is 100% something that they'd do.

*birdman rubbing hands*

HYDRA DOMINATUS

He he he yeah boys.

​@roast beef "In the name of the ... 'Corpse Emperor' ... -.-" *BLAM* *BLAM* *BLAM* *BLAM*

so many people in this comment section would be traitors to the emperor talking about: -not guilty (well others think guilty) -not fair (well others think it is fair) -not our fault (well others think it is your fault) -am i my brothers keeper? (yes when you belong to same dna/blood, and also in that there is a problem because where lies your loyalty?) -its only logical (well to you it is , and that is a problem, because it removes any doubt that you may be wrong) etc etc etc etc all these excuses have been played out in full during the horus heresy, all sorts of primarchs,marines, titan commanders,mechanicus priests or just plain old foot soldiers all thinking they are right and they have rights.. sure the custodes are d!ckheads. well look at what they where protecting?? the emperor and his truth, his logic, his reasoning etc etc the emperor is a d!ckhead. the last church is just one example, but how he treats his own sons is another., but best example for me is: ''When the Emperor came to dominion and ended Old Night on Ancient Terra in the Unification Wars, all Adrathic Weapons were given over to Him on pain of death, not simply to the one who retained them but to their entire land and nation such was the importance He placed on controlling this technology. '' this is the kind of d!ckhead we are talking about.. killing entire nations because someone had an ancient weapon. well that wasn,t the other millions of fellow countrymen,s fault neither.. and yet he ordered it anyways. he acts the humanity caring guy, but has no qualms mass murdering septillions of beings.. playing his own form of god. and then people go off in the comment section about his bodyguards who are his literal mouthpiece. i highly doubt if these people really GET the grimdarkness of 40k to its fullest extend.. its literal hell, and after you die you go to even worser hell.. and it doesn,t do fair.

@@redsampler2017 Go back to the eye of terror word bearer topkek

@@Bajicoy LOL hahaha good one ;-) i hate the traitors with a passion actually. especially lorgar.. its just that emperor isn,t that trustworthy either, and his bodyguards are molded to fit him. so yeah chip of the old block.. apple from the tree , all that stuff

@@redsampler2017 haha, glad you got it XD and so true haaaa, please don't leak this to the inquisition

Lmao I need this as an actual meme now.

Their existence is heresy.

yeah

Guardsmen: you guys get accused before getting executed?!

Dark Angels : *amateurs*

Albert The Hun I do agree, but they might not be too fond of the emporer when what they see as HIS hand and judgement not only accused but killed them and basically disowned them in the name of the imperium

Custodes: See? They have chaos taint. We did the right thing by purging as many of them as possible. A true servant will accept Emperor's purification like the millions of psykers nomnom that we feed to Emperor every day.

If I were a space marine I sure as hell am not going to be very loyal if I have to be afraid my own allies will execute me for being a traitor when I have done nothing wrong. I mean come on.

Renegade Primaris more likely

That's kind of hard when the Custodes butchered them all.

Tzeench: (Demonic Laugh Intensifies)

@Sean Turner You really think that? The Emporer, who in the past has been shown willing to put down his entire fighting force as he views them as tools, face palming as his those closest to him designed and built to be much closer to him intellectually than almost anything else (likely including most of the primarchs), for killing a bunch of tools that showed loyalty to their heretical brothers they never met instead of the Emporer.

@@Nothv13 So because your too dense to get it I'll spell it out, the Custodes were going to kill the Primaris even if they surrendered, the entire point was they didn't think it was fair to have to pay for the sins of their fallen chapter when they never even met them

@@derpyboi8591 Too dense? Custodes hate the Astartes, could they have yes. DO we know for sure? No. All the disobeying did was guarantee they deaths of all those Primaris. In short disobeying the closest thing to Big E is grounds for punishment.

@@Nothv13 smh, all this talk about super soldiers and demigods, when good old artillery with the guards can kick any heretics' ass.

Garrion sus...

Garrion didn't do nuthin

They could have just disarmed. Their pride is what got them killed.

@@trrebi981 Wrong they were dead. Once they were acused.

@John the Skub miner It was implied as heavily as if a trigger happy inquisitor have said it.

Dylan Charles I would love to know if Roboute had words with those custodies at some point after.

@@trrebi981 "Were you loyal, you would set down your weapons, and accept your guilt." Guilt for acts he and his brothers did not know about, or help commit. And in an "absolute justice" environ like the Imperium, mercy is not dispensed often; this was a death sentence, despite no collusion whatsoever with heretical forces.

damn, that was Savage!

Everytime the guy at the bottom of the scoreboard complains about how bad the team is.

Those golden bananas aren't gonna recover from this one.

Nice burn

Bolts fired damn!

Off to play the Children's Card Game with the Void Dragon.

In the fanfiction which taints the community with each person who brings it up

😎sometimes fate is a strange thing my dude😎

"Good morning primaris, how are you this daaaahaaay"

@@booradley6832 STOP IT! NOT CANON!

I want to see this in a book so bad. Just an inquisitor having to go nope and back away slowly from the guardian of a god essentially.

Ordo Custodes are cowards!!!

@@fumarc4501 go say that to one then. If it's true you have nothing to fear.

@logan just logan If I must, I would follow Ollanius Pius’ example. A subhuman automaton may answer to the Emperor, but he is not above Humanity.

@@fumarc4501 Then go ahead, we are watching you. Or rather, we'll be watching the fireworks that'll be your guts and body parts the second you told that.

That's why the didn't kill them outright. But their geneseed and general loyalty had to be tested. And the primaris didn't follow orders from superiors or trust others judgement. Like all others are incapable of proper decisions

Not only that but primaris don't have the same gene seed as the chapters they are joining. So why would the custodes tar them with that brush? Makes no sense. This is where GW are just trying to make money.

If this actually happened in a real scenario then the custodes would have to declare war on the entire astartes with that gene seed so let's say the whole of the iron fists for example and/or gulliman has to chastise the custodes, which would be perceived as chastising the emperor. Either way civil war

@@morgs456 Why would chastising lead tp civil war? Do you want to go to war everytime someone talks harshy to you?

Like I said. If gulliman chastised the custodes it would be seen as a afront to big E as the custodes "speak with the voice of the emperor " And gulliman couldn't do nothing as imagine if the hundreds of thousands of primaris learnt their brothers were murdered by association. It would be chaos (scuse the pun) in real life scenario. It's a poorly written story.

Loyalty of Emperor above all else, even your battle brothers. Not following commands of the Custody is absolute heresy and is what it is. That's WH40k for ya.

@@jungoogie Making traitors out of the most loyal is also the WH40K for you, hmmm makes ya think lol.

Dark Angels may not be " traitor" but they have betrayed in their own ways more than once.

RIP AND TEAR

*KAR UN TUK*

"I am the Omnissiah's voice and my word is as true!"

"Oh you really think so "clapping"f you

@@orcslayerwhatifs4507 "How about we go ahead and call our Emperor?"

@@edim108 "he has got a text to speech now"

"And a fiery temper

🤣🤣

Intent is irrelevant Magnus...

@@lateshpatil5307 Magnus is dumb Except Magnus the pious he’s pretty cool

consider the source, a big red asshole himself

Custodes treat Inquisitors and High Lords like how they treat everyone else Even Guilliman is below the Custodes Only the Emperor has authority over the Custodes

@@christiandauz3742 They might think they are better than him but they aren't, that's the simple truth, Custodes are machines while Guilliman is more human than they could ever be.

@@FoxHound-ut1hu Guilliman is a Warp Creature

@@christiandauz3742 emotion, free will, love, pride, joy, anger. Human. The Primarchs are the personification of the aspects of humanity. That's not to mention that Guilliman would rip any of the Custodes to pieces.

@@FoxHound-ut1hu Except Valdor, especially since he has drank the Chaos Kool-Aid

"No one better at killing superhumans than us, dammit."

"How could he..."

Love the idea 👍.

Earadon you watch Baldermort’s video too ? 😏

@@rickyblitz9679 Damn right, boyo~

The order was calculated. He told them to stand down and surrender. It was a test. Look at the way the captain answers. He did not say that his primaris have nothing to do with this. His first reply was that this must be a mistake. His brothers would not do this. It is true that the primaris have not met their heretical counterparts and thus cannot be blamed for their actions but on the same account, that captain was willing to defend his "brothers" even though he never met them before. Mind you that the shield captain did not specifically claim that they must also die until the fight started. By the time the proper argument came out of the second marine it was too late, not that the argument really mattered. For all we know the custode's plan was to keep them secured until they purged the heretical chapter and then replace them with the primaris, but the primaris already showed that they would side with a "brother" they know nothing about and have not met.

Do you know of anywhere this outrage is happening? I don't have to many channels I listen to, but of those, there is no complaint about this. (I do think you're right though)

i could be wrong but it seems you think custodes as more thoughtfull and reasonable astartes, they arent. it wouldnt be a stretch to say they despise the astartes, even the ones that never turned traitor. and custodes are not first and foremost philosophers and intellectuals, they are warriors of the emperor, they are his warhounds, they do often show a tendency to be more calculating than others in the imperium and put in more thought before they destroy someone for heresy, unlike the inquisition that will burn your city if you look at them in a way they deem to be incorrect. and in this case the big difference between the inquisition and the custodes is that the custodes told the primaris to disarm and surrender, cause no inquisitor is gonna demand surrender in this instance, the primaris would jus suddenly be on fire xD

@@RanRayu Don't retroactively justify piss-poor, shock-value-only writing. Every other depiction of the Custodes (in actual novels at least) has them as intellectual warrior-poets, not bloodthirsty egomaniacs looking for the smallest excuse to fire their bolters. The authors of these short stories are hacks who take upon 40k at only surface level depth. They probably only write short stories because they are too incompetent to write full novels.

@@aldran7423 he later said that dropping their weapons meant admitting their guilt, aka cospiring with chaos (thats what diabolicus extremis means) and the punishment for that is death. So if they didnt they were disobeing orders, so they would kill them. If they did, they admitted of working with the enemy, so they would kill them. The guy had a bias against marines like many custodes, and he just got a great opportunity of killing some. So he used it.

This needs a pin!

You sir deserve top comment.

Yup custodes are just gold orks

@@warhound1161 Custodes: The pinbacle of Flash Gitz.

war hound

@@lamb_link no actually I'm loyal to first generation astartes I think there something up about the primaris

They. Did. Not. Betray. The. Emperor.

@@EchoMirage72 The Primaris are super soldier created to be 100% indoctrainated/brainwashed loyal to the emperor without any question and doubt only to follow his orders above all others. They may be loyal to their brothers, they may be even loyal to their Primarchs but above all they must be loyal to the Emperor than any of them. Any orders given by a Custode is equivalent to being given by the Emperor himself They are not a bunch of Guardsmen who have supposed free will to think and question especially towards the Emperor since they are not indoctrinated/brainwashed.

They gave them 2 chances to surrender. They chose to challenge the authority of the Imperial household. You don't have to be genius to know that was a bad idea.

Echomirage They. Disobeyed. An. Order. From. A. Superior.

The Custodes are supposed to be philosopher warriors, but too often are portrayed as brain dead automata and this is a prime example, the Primaris hadn't betrayed anyone, _they hadn't even made contact with the heretic chapter they were supposed to join yet,_ there was absolutely no reason to condemn them with the heretics, their deployment orders should have simply been rescinded and them joined to a different chapter. It's like if you send reinforcements to a platoon of Marines, that you then find have gone My Lai on a bunch of villagers, and charging the reinforcements (who have not left the base yet to even join up with their new unit) with the same crime as the villager murderers. It's so dumb I cannot believe anyone is defending it.

I know it's been a year but my bet is that this story is just meant to show that Primaris, while stronger than the firstborn, still can't stack up to the Custodes.

@@vectorequinox6202 That I can understand, but there were a fair few other ways to do that other than just making the custodian seem so... trigger happy and reasonable. This is like the custodian vs harlequin thing again... or worse, the world eater traitor marine punching custodian hearts out with his bare fists.

@@claudiu-mihaipuiu1221 I entirely agree. My point though was that maybe this story was a little rushed just to make a point and so it seems a little underwritten. Definitely feel like a few tweaks could have made this a far better written story

Yeah, But Custodians dont have time to be super intellectual warrior poets, they spent 99.99999% of the time either fighting or protecting the emperor, and they have NO slack when it comes to ANY kind of heresey, with what happened during horus, the Custodes legit went into depression for ages because they had failed their single objective in the heresey which was to protect the emperor, so they will Strike back Even harder now against those who can be suspected or are confirmed to go against the emperor.

I hate how this is written, but I don't hate *what* was written. Keep in mind, these Primaris were extremely extremely young. They violated a verbal taboo that basically no other Astartes ever ever ever violate. It was probably just culture-shock of a sort, the Primaris didn't realize how much reverence they were supposed to direct towards the Custodes, nor were they aware of just how vulnerable they were to corruption that would dictate they be of the highest appearances in the presence of said Custodes. I believe the Custodes in question were also in an extremely bad mood that day due to them basically having to escort a bunch of space marines around instead of doing literally anything else. Just a shit show all around, but a very believable one from a warrior-politics perspective where corruption is a very real threat.

Except for the Imperial Fists. The Custodes really get along with their yellow building and maintenance crew.

Ironically, I imagine that this means the Custodes view the loyalists of the traitor legions as the perfect Astartes. Still, you say they are only loyal to the Emperor. But, that isn't true. The Custodes are only loyal to what they decide the Emperor wants even if it means shitting on everything the Emperor built and preached. Such as undermining the Imperium's strength, this instance being only one of many examples. Also, choosing to allow the Imperium to decay and humanity to become a hell hole. What do I mean by this? The Captain-General by order of the Emperor holds the same authority as Him when He is not around. But, the Captain-Generals have almost never used this. The entire _point_ is for The Captain-General to rule the Imperium if the Emperor and his Regent are indisposed to, obviously, keep the Imperium running the way the Emperor wants it and advance humanity's domination and growth. They did the opposite of that. As far as I'm concerned, the Custodes are traitors. You don't have to turn to Chaos or have ill intentions to be a traitor. Shitting on what the Emperor wants and built and undermining or abandoning the species he dedicated his life and goals to is most definitely fucking betrayal.

@@CidVeldoril It had escaped me that chapter is basically always in construction attire 🚜👷‍♂️🔧

In less words: Small minded murderers committed more small minded murder. Let them kill you willingly or make them fight for it. Those are your choices.

@@midgetydeath I agree, sure you sad because daddy is in a life support wheelchair, but if the Emperor gave you the power to take care of the Empire HE made, but you don't, you failed him. Tbh Bobby G was more of a son to Big E than the Custodes because he didn't sulk and cry when Big E got put down, he did everything he could to preserve the Impurium. I like the Custodes but seeing flaws like this really shows that at the end of the day, Custodes are human.

Relatable to all religions

The Primaris are super soldier created to be 100% indoctrainated/brainwashed loyal to the emperor without any question and doubt only to follow his orders above all others. They may be loyal to their brothers, they may be even loyal to their Primarchs but above all they must be loyal to the Emperor than any of them. Any orders given by a Custode is equivalent to being given by the Emperor himself They are not a bunch of Guardsmen who have supposed free will to think and question especially towards the Emperor since they are not indoctrinated/brainwashed.

Being stupid is a requirement in 40k. Hell they haven't innovate in 10000 years. If they were smarter they would have gone extinct from either recreating AI, or fall to demons.

@@thelardmaker6806 Yea no You cant just substitute good story with slapping on an extra layer of grim dark, I see you defending the idea that you can in multiple comment threads. Its like how the saw movies turned into gore porn after the first movie.

The point was made. They chose their own brothers over the Emperor. You don't question a Custodes - you obey, or you die. Sure, it's not fair. Then again, there's nothing fair about the 40k universe.

world eaters?

i read some people here and they claim the custodes are the smarters that any other but u forget some problem they learn all they know from the emperor and if they are automatans then we can said this at the eye of the custdes will be the way big E will act because they are loyal to him

bad author bad

Haha well, they asked the primaris to surrender... they didn't thats hersey enough.

Sweet Fallout NV ref. my man!

@Choudhry Ali no, I mean aberrations against the emperor

@Zoomer Waffen You sound like a Custodes.

The Primaris Captain refused an order from a Custodian Guard he might as well have told Big E himself to stick it.

How exactly? The Custodes are stated to be biased when it comes to the Astartes, as they generally hate them. So the Custodes were very strict with how they responded to the Primaris, but still gave them a chance to disarm and stand down. The Primaris then tried to argue, taking the side of his brotherhood over the Emperor. The Primaris were killed for it. Nothing the Custodes did were out of character or poorly written.

@@inveld2896 Do you even realize what he meant when he told them to disarm and stand down? He was going to execute them a Custodes was going to waste precious manpower because of actions taken by a group they never even had contact with, the idea of wasting even basic Astartes like that is in itself traitorous let alone the stronger Primaris marines, the direct creation of one of their very emperor's few loyal sons.

The whole time I was thinking how foolish this confrontation was. The whole point of their mission was to reinforce this chapter with fresh recruits but at the finishing line, they executed those fresh recruits instead. Good action, terrible plot.

Tobias Hald exactly, just reinforces the custodes shear arrogance!

@@chrisspink8873 well that's to be expected for a bunch of over glorified guard dogs who have done extremely little in over 10,000 years to even help the Imperium current predicament he'll the only time they've ever done anything was during the age of apostasy and that was pretty much it put some life. They are nothing more than useless relics from a bygone age

@@tylerdunn9683 The Primaris are super soldier created to be 100% loyal to the emperor without any question and doubt only to follow his orders above all others. They may be loyal to their brothers, they may be even loyal to their Primarchs but above all they must be loyal to the Emperor than any of them. Any orders given by a Custode is equivalent to being given by the Emperor himself They are not a bunch of Guardsmen who have supposed free will to think and question especially towards the Emperor since they are not indoctrinated.

Also fuck the emperor once he's done with playing with his toys he'll dispose of them and get new ones, the Thunderwarriors should stand as a warning to the Astartes for their impending future should the corpse emperor ever return.

@@edenromanov That was the plan more likely. The primarchs and space marines were never meant to be rulers of worlds after the galaxy was unified but for the normal humans as it was the Imperium of Man and not supermen.

sorry noob here, but right about what?

@@MrAdamske They hide the fact that half the number turned traitor from the rest of the Impirum and kill any who they think may have found out. The traitorous Dark Angels are called The Fallen and a lot of them were sucked into a wormhole, warp-rift thing and get spat out threw out time and space, causing all sorts of problems for the Dark Angels. Much hilarity ensues.

Hidding that they have some traitors in there army, like this go ham about it and for just reason. Same reason the blood angles hide there black rage. the future is to past to waste time in the grey area

TRUE

100%

Mind you, it was the Eldar that literally stormed the Imperial Palace and Orks actually have shown some serious diplomatic genius on more than one occasion...

@@edim108 Indeed. I remember on book extract, can't remember which one, where a Guard Colonel and an Ork Warboss had something close to a well mannered parley to fight something else, with the Warboss even going out of his way to speak low Gothic instead of Orky speech and slap a subordinate who interrupted the talks.

@@randomcenturion7264 Interesting Story :o

@@randomcenturion7264 That sounds like the Blood axes who have also copied a lot of Imperial tactics and quite willing to deal with humans.

@@devilmanscott Yeah, pretty sure that was the Klan. Love the Blood Axes. Evil Sunz are still my favorite because RED GOES FASTA is a real thing, but I do love da Proppa kunnin of Blood Axes.

XD

@@randomcenturion7264 The Emperor Proteccs

Be executed as a traitor or die fighting. Not much choice. Same choice Magnus and the Thousand Sons had.

They weren’t shot out of suspicion. They were shot out of lack of compliance.

@@stevetrent4638 Compliance to be executed at a later point. Once again: They where allready judged as traitors... diabolus extremis to boot.. there was no scenario in wich the primaris surrendered and lived to serve the emperor another day. That judgement was a death sentence. They where given two chances to put down their arms to prevent any potential losses amongst the custodes forces. We are talking 200 primaris marines spread over the entire fleet, and not all of them have a group of custodes standing right next to them to aprehend them. Fuck some of those primaris might actually manage to take control over a ship or two or even blow them up. THAT is the reason they where told to surrender, NOT to give them a chance but to minimize damage to the fleet

@@stevetrent4638 they were shot because 1 marine made a logical statement. The drakes most likely would have complied had they not been betrayed for being logical

This. This is why the Emperor and his will, no matter how well intended are tyrannical at the end of the day. The emporer asks everyone to give up their free will or their life.

XD

Rufus DaMan when a Custodes tells you to stand down, you stand down. The Primaris probably would’ve been arrested and held until further notice. Once the traitor space marines are dealt with, the Primaris in custody may be sent on a penance crusade or sent to form a new chapter. I’m only guessing but if the Custodes intended on killing them at first the Captain wouldn’t have bothered giving them the chance to surrender. Custodes bear the emperors word, it is as if the emperor is telling the Primaris to surrender then he does not obey the order. Hence they were killed because if they do not obey the word of the emperor then they are by technicality traitors

@@atomiicchi3f983 okay.... I was aware of this before your little lesson, but thanks anyway. Blessed is a mind too small for doubt.

I don't even understand why these custards have fans to begin with. Either way they loss of allies is well deserved.

Custodes don’t even have ranks within the Imperium Military! They’re like the Commissars, but without any actual establishment. I’d fight them too! Cowards that hide for 10,000 years don’t get to judge those who’ve been fighting for 10,000 years.

*captain america meme* i understood this reference!

Is this dialogue part of the story?

@@chhyachhrasuwar Its not,

It's not like the Emperor, the Custodes, and the Primarchs teleported onto Horus's ship and were randomly displaced within it? Oh wait they were, the primarchs suffered for it, the custodes suffered for it, and even the emperor suffered for it. When you're basically going all out one man army +1 against multiple chaos infused one man armies you will be hampered a lot. There is also the problem where some of the custodes are still dealing with the demons within the human webway, so not all of them would be able to guard the Emperor at that time, I don't think the Custodes could have been able to overpower or defeat a chaos-infused Horus. Sure, you can say they failed when the Emperor and Horus started to fight. But so did everyone else and you can blame the Astartes' sense of brotherhood for this, loyal to one's brother and primarch before the emperor. Only those who experienced loyalty to the emperor before having a primarch understand what that is, the primarchs whitewashed their legions of this to a degree.

@@johnlucas2838 if sanguinnius didn't fight 80% of the named chaos spawns during horus' seige. He would've destroyed horus or at the very least not succumbed until Big E came knocking. If custodes did their job properly and fought those named demons sanguinnius wouldn't have been spent.

​@@johnlucas2838So what? Use the absolutist logic on the custodes like how they are doing with the drakes. Seeing as there's no grey area, and Big E is now confined to his magic wheelchair, they absolutely failed in their one singular task. All the reasons you gave are excuses, and does not deter from the fact that they failed. No custodes were there to take the blows for the emperor during the fight, or bring the fight to Horus. Only Sanguinius and a lone guardsman(retcon pending) was. The arrogance the sister of silence and the custodian shield captain displayed here despite failing their one task is the more astonishing part. They are no longer the sole word of the Emperor besides. Bobby G is back, and Big E made him their boss.

Well, so emperor so custodes... His arrogance and shortsightednes must have rubbed off...

Yes Inquisitor, these comments were what I was talking about.

Yeah, I agree though the Primaris. captain was stupid and failed the test. Custodes are the emperor representatives. If he said surrender Just surrender no talk no debate. Captain Titus of ultra marines had to surrender to the inquisitors and he did it eventhough he was innocent. Shield Captain was right. You come in system there is a rebellion going on with a space marine chapter he is old school he knows how bad that can get. His plan makes sense 1. secure the new guys, 2.destroy the old chapter. 3.Let the inquisitors find out if the new guys are traitors or not. The captain could have helped the situation. The had been fighting so you take a break in the brig for a few years. Plead case to people who listen. Not a custodian shield captain putting down a traitor space marine chapter. The new guys may not have been traitors but they were stupid and in 40k that is almost as bad. As they say classic rookie mistake.

@@maven21 spoken like a custodes... The Primars was what? Supposed to put his weapons down and let them execute him and his men, tho they did nothing wrong? The Marines was loyal. The Custodians "speak" for the Emperor my ass.

Exactly. The real heretic here is the custodes and sisters of silence for destroying the emperor's chosen with absolutely zero provocation. Anyone that stupid and shallow should have lost.

Actually the Custodian are all recognized as the Emperor's voice. They are manifestations of the Emperors will. The Custodian's calmly ordered them to disarm. The Primaris refused. The Primaris effectively just told the Emperor to stick it. The Primaris was killed. Nothing they did was unfair.

All that was needed was for the Marines to surrender, and least of all avoid the conflict or possibly just give time for any conspiracy to be resolved. Previous situations like this in the Imperium have not lead to direct destruction and Chapters have recovered/been sent on redemption crusades. And the Custodian is right, even loyalist astartes are still loyal to each other more so than the Emperor himself. Also, ever since the HH and multiple chapters going rogue or traitor, especially with factions from Terra, if a chapter is traitor/at risk, they have to be dealt with immediately and directly, even if it means resorting to extermination.

That's not strange it's just bad writing resulting in a poorly thought out scenario.

like many, that Custodes isn't a fan of the Primaris Marines. he hates them because they exist. just goes to show that even Custodes can be corrupted in a number of ways. Brazen Drakes are better off as Renegades now, and for the best reason imaginable: the Custodes have become Traitors.

@@palpadur1112 what? He followed standard procedure, how is he a traitor?

N1njaSnake the marines had a chance to surrender, maybe to argue their case another day, but they didn't take it. To me, the Custodies were in the right. The Primaris had a chance.

@John the Skub miner They as in the Primaris or the Custodes?

Jake Carroll primaris

Depends on who you are and how good you are. We know some skilled marines who would most definitely survive nope-ing a Custodes. One or two who would probably force them to eat their words, shut the hell up and actually think without bias for a limited time hahaha.

@@ssd2579 They would be declared traitors and heretic for fighting Custodes.

@Helios Sphere He should be the emperor , I saw an image of him photoshopped into the emperor¡s armour and looket hella good ngl.

@@SpanishDio he doesn't look like golden jesus tho, and all artwork we've seen is golden jesus

Sounds like warp spawned chaos taint to me 😈

@@neildarbyshire7038 wow I made this comment 2 years ago lol what a blast from the past! I actually just re watched the video thanks to you lol Nah stars would blink out of existence before one of the 10,000 fell to chaos my friend 😉

Fulgrim wouldn't need to convince a shield captain (though he likely could being a primarch) he would have to convince Papa Smurf

How would hitler be treated if a clone of him came back somehow? Innocent people don't shoot the police because they are wrongly accused, why do people here have such a hard time with this? Even in our own peaceful time, of logic and reason. Education and power of the law. Don't comply with the order of the police to take you in (for whatever reason) and you are a criminal, period.

@@mcmarkmarkson7115 The police IRL don't shoot and kill a suspect simply for trying to point out a police officer is overstepping his bounds.

@@Leivve depend of the country.

Guilliman came back to Terra with Eldar xenos and traitor Fallen Angels in toe, but the hypocrites immediately bent over GW's marketing will, just like how they had betrayed Rogal for the Roboute, they betrayed the High Lords and immediately gave themselves to him. Just a reminder, everything will depend of how badly they need him or Yvraine wanting a Threesome with someone less dreadful than the Lion.

The report: The Brazen Drakes were traitors to the Imperium. They were summarily executed. Friendly casualties: 0. Robot Girlie-man: Good work, as usual. The Emperor neglects.

Guilliman: They did WAT?!

Probably, but the entire Custodian legion did suffer a deep depression after the Emperors near death.

@@kazmark_gl8652 so did everyone in the Imperium. Hell the Blood Angels lost their primarch and the Emperor nearly simultaneously and got extremely mopey but they at least didn't sequester themselves away for 10k plus years. Point is, they should have been better than that. The Custodes are held in the greatest esteem by the whole of the Imperium and have an equally high opinion of themselves. This is mostly deserved considering their superior geneseed, education, training, and armaments. Yet in spite of that they dropped the ball as badly as any other arm of the Imperium if not worse given their expectations. I understood their aloof and condescending nature during the Great Crusade and Heresy but now it seems particularly galling that they have maintained it with seemingly little to no self reflection.

Their duties are singular. Protect the Emperor. Their disdain of others comes from their knowledge that all others, be it Astartes or even Primarch, is corruptible. There are no traitor Custodes, so they alone can be absolutely trusted, at this point. I’m interested in whether or not the Custodes regard the Grey Knights any differently, as they too have been completely incorruptible to this day.

@@fakename2926 well from this story it seems their is a belief that the origin of betrayal is gene deep. I would assume then that the outlook toward Grey Knights would be favorable.

They're being written like enochian angels. It's stupid..... and truthfully kind of silly. People gripe about orks being cheesy, but there are these all powerful angels of the emperor flying around smashing chapters....because.

Who shot the first bullet in this scenario? Thats right.. the banana failures

It's called heresy, my friend

Yes, Lord inquisitor, that one over there! Emperor Profects! *Hydra Dominatus*

Moments like these are kind of good to have because they prove that the heretics do have a point. The Imperium cares nothing for you and will kill any innocent man they like. If the Imperium was fair and logical then the villains would just be mustache twirling caricatures.

Wait what? They are a smurf successor? That makes this story even more absurd.

@@BM-is5ei yeah its like 20 space wolves taking on a million orks and winning. GW writing at its finest!

Stand down, period. Innocent or not. How do you react when cops come to your house? Shoot them because they wrongly accuse you? And it's 40k time, where astartes are responsible for the downfall of the emperor and his dreams. So the custotes here as super lenient.

Given the name they could just as well be Salamanders, a Legion Guilliman hates obviously since like the Wolves they are the great losers of the Codex Astartes.

@@mcmarkmarkson7115 Naturalism is held responsable for the fall of Angels in theology (not pride, contrary to some christian claims). As for 40k History, Malcador contemptupusly and publicly humiliating Warmaster Horus, and all but decreting Legiones Astartes and Primarchs easily replacable and unneeded post-conquest, is to be held accountable, certainly not the Adeptus Astartes, in whose place i would consider all Custodes permanently dishonoured in retaliation. Did they conquer or protect the Galaxy ? No. It would be hillarious to see them disowned once the Lion comes back, calls the Roboute for his shit, and orders custody of the Imperial Palace relinquished to the Imperial Fists.

imagine one of the custodies turning. they would all have to kill themselves.

@@gogos1003 based on the logic of this story yeah.

Or more likely send the primaries into the conflict they join up with the other of their legion wank each other off then kill the custards were as if they just obeyed an order they could have lived silly autistic primeass marines

@@USCGJAMESBENETEAU The primaris should have stood down, but they didn't proof enough they were traitor. In war if your family turns traitor chances are you won't be trusted either, innocent or not. Do you shoot at the police if they wrongly accuse you? ...No, you go to prison and HOPE to get a decent lawyer. Fighting police because you are innocent would be prove to everyone that you are guilty.

@@gogos1003 Don't forget to kill all custodes recruits

Lol

Stupid lazy golden jerks. The Astartes have been fighting to protect this Imperium for 10K years while those layabouts sat in the Palace playfighting with their Blood Games.

Maybe moving them out of palace was a mistake on the imperium's part :D Well, all the better for the true champions of humanity.

This was horribly written.

Custodes didn't pass judgement. If they had decided the primaris' couldn't be save, they'd have been already dead before they met the custodes. Granted, shooting the second primaris' just because he spoke is kinda harsh, but they are speaking to Custodes. The emperor's own bodyguards. Maybe he shouldn't have backtalked.

Agreed. Were this the Andy Chambers era this kind of shit wouldn't happen.

Actually it makes perfect sense for the custodes to act like this. Ever sense the emperor was entombed on the golden throne custodes held a certain disdain for the astartes. We see in later books that custodes at best tolerate their presence and at worst do what you see here. The shield captain made a good point here. The space marines should have surrendered first and waited to give their explanations. Instead they put their fellow astartes first. Something that would be impossible for the custodes to even consider since the emperor always comes first.

By refusing the surrender order, it confirmed a long held suspicion by the custodes that the adeptus astartes could not fully give themselves to the emperor as they harbor loyalty to their brothers. And given how the custodes believe that the horus heresy was the fault of the primarchs and their astartes legions, would react with impunity.

Mankind's History: *This isn't the first time trust me.*

Just like the inquisition.

@@Tacoguy1000 I honestly feel like there are more than a few inquisitors who would show the emperor's finest more courtesy than this.

Indeed. Some 40K stories are written by retards.

@@LotionSoronarr absolutely!

Aw poor babies! Xenos get killed by OP plot armored space marines and you beat off to it. Primaris traitors get rightfully cut down and it is suddenly retarded stories. Such delicious tears!

She was moving in the cover of the Custodian's attacks

I guess having a presence so unnerving that you can disrupt the focus of a Marine would give one the edge in terms of combat, not to mention they all had to keep an eye on the Shield captain or proceed to have their transhuman prostate examine via surprise guardian spear

From the statlines in the actual game, astartes are not THAT much better than a normal human. ONE point here and there, something like 15% more chance to hit or wound or resist a wound. 15%. The black library books are just imperial propaganda :P

@@empireempire3545, the specialist game inquisitor gave a much better insight to some of the differences between a human and a space marine. In that, a normal human had a strength and toughness averaging 50 (of 100) whereas a space marine had a toughness of around 100 and strength around 140 (and then power armour gave a further 20% boost to those stats.)

I could see it, if she Aeldari-ed him, for a lack of a better term. Say the captain didn't have a fucking whole in him, and was closer focused, he could of totally choke slammed her into Oblivion.

"The brightness of the Astronomicon briefly doubled as it's energy increased substantially, this is believed to be cause by the Emperor's sudden rolling in his grave."

@Rory 543 well what would you expect from a bunch of arrogant over glorified guard dogs when you really think of the adeptus custodes are completely and utterly useless they've done very very little to even help the Imperium for the past ten thousand years they are a relic of a bygone age

Custodes captain didn't say they'd be executed. It's possible they'd just hold them in custody until the situation on the planet could be figured out. No matter the circumstances, Astartes shouldn't start shooting at Custodes. That's like me shooting at the cops because they asked me to pull to the side.

I agree, though, let's be fair, while the grey areas exist in 40k, they mostly get you killed so purge first question never is potentially the most viable survival tactic.

@@illusivec your point is completely and utterly irrelevant text stories with executed them anyway the chapter they were bringing them to to reinforce I'm discovering some of them at turn Renegade as far as the custodians for concerned they were all traitors regardless if they were still loyal or not the custodians have this in common with Konrad curze were they see everything entirely in black and white but that's to be expected from a bunch of over glorify guard dogs we haven't done virtually anything 10,000 years other than sit on their ass

@@illusivec Did you read or listen to the story? They were marked "hereticus diabolicus", and told to disarm in an accusing tone. Following that train of thought, what is to say they won't just be shot after they have all the primaris rounded up?

That sounds a lot like heresy.

@@trentberry6968 considering Magnus did nothing wrong I would say you are correct sir.

@@patarryan7855 The Custodes and Sisters of Silence were on orders of the Emperor to accompany the Space Wolves, who were ordered by the Emperor to bring Magnus to him. When the Space Wolves went into battle with Magnus and his sons instead, if only on the counter-order of Horus to kill instead of capture/apprehend/bring Magnus to Terra, so did they.

Nah, the bully is human. Custodes aren't. They would quite happily blow their own brains out for the Emperor and they're confused as to why everyone else isn't the same.

@John the Skub miner _Lamenters_

Kitten, I really hope your mission on Mars ends soon. Your brothers have gotten a little too...trigger happy without your guidance.

It's why I hesitate to call Custodes "Better" than Astartes. They are "Better" at fighting, but anything else involving strategy, diplomacy or a defter touch, forget it. They have "Kill Everything" reflex so strong, the World Eaters call them Team-Killing Assholes.

Random Centurion Ah, you know it’s bad when the WE call them team killers. But hey, what did you expect from a bunch of gold-obsessed bois that went to do nothing for a while?

As somebody else mentioned before me Custodes were created to fight not think. They are potent symbol in galaxy at large but in my opinion with this black and white attitude they bring as many problems as they solve. I'm still not convinced it was wise to unleash them upon galaxy without Emperor there to rein them in.

I think this only proves how uneven the writing is.

it is understandable if you consider they lost their love of life and had to tend to his rotting corps for 10,000 years which is daily reminder of their failure.

i dont agree, the shield captain did tell em to disarm and surrender, and with the warp and chaos doing all sorts of weird shit, yeah i would do the same and demand the primaris all disarm and secure themselves untill further notice, gotta figure out if they got weird voices in their head before i even let them near my sandwich.

@@RanRayu amen

Guilliman can't order around Custodes Custodes can order Guilliman's execution. Only the Emperor can override them Custodes execute Inquistors at will with no conscenquences

Penance crusades exist, it wasn't 100% going to be an execution if they surrendered.

No, this short story was just shitty writing. The Custodes are supposed to be reasonable, intellectual Warrior-Poets, but this story was either rushed or written by a writer that knows little about the custodes.

If you're new then you should understand the importance of the line: "You sided with your brothers before the Emperor, as the Astartes always do." It means so much and is so deep that not everyone sees its significance. The entire reason the Horus Heresy gained so much traction was because the Astartes showed love for their Primarchs and brothers over the Emperor. The Space Marine saying that he's sure his brothers didn't go traitor is just confirming the bias the Custodian had, he's arguing for brother Marines he's literally never met. He does this while a Custodian, the voice of the Emperor, is telling him to lay down his weapons so that they can get investigated. He just proved the Custodian right by not complying, but he was patient enough to give the lad a second chance. Half the Heresy Legions turned traitor, can't blame the Custodes for itching to look for corruption. The Astartes are who crippled the Emperor

agreed.

The adeptus custodes are a useless Relic from a bygone age they have done literally nothing for 10,000 years other than sit on their asses and twiddle their thumbs

@@tylerdunn9683 you're forgetting that time a massive fucking warp rift opened up on terra, and the custodes and sisters of silence had to deal with it

@@bryanbarcelo5440 still dealing with it

@@tylerdunn9683 hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

@@bryanbarcelo5440 their deeds during the heresy are completely and utterly irrelevant in modern 40K they've done virtually very little to actually help the Imperium

Custodes DO work with the Emperor's Authority and voice.

@@TheDegraderReturns That’s what they tell themselves because they have ultimate authority in regards to Emp’s safety. But the only person in 40k who had actual proof of “speaking with the emperors voice” is Girlyman.

@@LouisKing995 well technically even Rowboat Gorilla man doesnt have say over Custodes, only Emperor does, so that is why Custodes see themselves as Emperors voice and embodyment of his will.

@@KoteDarasuum Sure but if the Emperor said that Girlyman should rule the Imperium in his name, then the custodes should obey him. Since refusing to do so would be counter to a direct order from the emperor. The only exception would be if Girlyman ordered them to kill the emperor imo.

You clearly have no idea what youre talking about ...

The situation could've been resolved peacefully but it's quite clear the Custodes were unwilling to listen to reason as well as take any risks. I understand why but the fact that the spark that set it off was someone speaking up really enforces that the Custodes should not be put in charge of anyone other than the Custodes. They're the Emperor's fanatical guard dogs.

Why should he surrender when right next to him his brother was murdered just for speaking?? Thet fought for months side by side.. Thst custodes is just retarded. ThePrimaris are crested thousands of years ago there geneseed cannot be tainted like there actual chapters cause there is a millenia gap of time after that logic all who share the geneseed of these chapters are tainted..

That's because this story was tailor made to put the Custodes in a terrible light is all.

Its honestly very clear the shield captain has a hatred for the astartes and let that blind him. Its all so very human no matter how mechanically and biologically enhanced they are.

" Custodes are made to fight, not to think." This is completely false. The Custodes were specifically designed to be able to hold engaging conversations with the emperor on a wide variety of topics. Many are scholars and artisans as well as guardians.

@@Mr22chris With emperor sure, but where's that leave the rest of the Imperium when dealing with them. Tyvar shows his bigotry against Astartes when he accused them of always choosing their brothers and just condemns marines who were created and sent to by order of Bobby G himself, who has been given the emperor's blessing to run the Imperium. Fanatics don't think, they act, and That's what Tyvar did with a complete disregard for Imperial history, which he should have known. Just because they can entertain the emperor dosen't mean they can maintain that decorum with anybody else, especially when their fanaticism makes them so prejudice, or at least in this case. Thus, fight not think, which is exactly what Tyvar did.

They weren't ordered to stay in the palace they choose to because that's where there master was now.

​@@jjaarr3208 Custodes (correctly) hold the opinion that the Primarchs and the Astartes are the reason the Imperium is in the state is it's in. They hold the Astartes at best with closely guarded suspicion. Even with all of that Tyvar was going to give Gerion and his men a chance. The Brazen Drakes chapter, which Gerion and his Primaris are a part of, are declared heretics. Gerion attempting to defend his battle brothers, which he had never met, prove Tyvar's words to be true. Defend heretics, get shot is 40K 101. Tyvar's actions were justified.