Have to say, the Bok fans are incredible and a credit to world Rugby, I have never seen the likes of that support including the World Cup. listening to a couple of interviews last night in the stadium with Tim and the fans really impressed me. I suppose it reinforces the fact that most of the Bok comments stirring up the shit are all fair weather supporters listening to commentators. The Boks will be back, no doubt. Rugby is in a good place generally. All we need now is the Welsh to come good, which I hope will happen sooner than later. For Ireland we have so much talent in the pipeline and the future is bright. With the new IRFU ruling in reference to the Irish clubs on the front row we should see a shift in depth in the future. For me, Doris was the player of all the tests, Farrell got emotional about that yesterday in his post match. What an incredible achievement, leading by example, exactly how O Mahony done it for us in the past.. this match has been great for Irish Rugby with all the doom and gloom over the last year. And considering we won a six nations and it was all seen as a negative. Role it on boys 🇮🇪☘️
Ireland has always been world class. NZ has been very lucky against them over the years. Huge players, genuine talent, real passion. Brian O'Driscoll was my favorite player
That's very kind of you to ay about the Bok fans. We have some awful people in our ranks though. Threatening referees is a sure sign that someone is a proper prick.
And kudos to Farrell for seeing what Osbourne could bring at 15. Surely Farrell has to be the No.1 coach in the world right now. Fewer resources than NZ or SA but a series win against NZ and a drawn series in SA, after successive Six Nations Championships. Yes, the old WC ¼Final hoodoo can still be levelled at Ireland, but there were very small margins in that competition.
I don't watch NH rugby but that Irish prop Andrew Porter what a tank, im a Kiwi but he would be my first choice, when Ireland were under the pump that bloke stood up like some Dwarf with Axe out of a Lord of the rings movie And i agreed Beauden Barrett man of the match took him less than 30 minutes to change the game
We all know Porter is a world class player but this past weekend it felt like he was behind the ball game.. Gave away unnecessary penalties in the breakdowns, tackling the scrumhalf and laying on the wrong side. In the scrum, Ox flattened him. I honesþy think Ox deserves that spot
Agree that Ireland back 5 is much more balanced now. POM has been a passenger there since the World Cup, maybe coming on 20 mins at the end is the best role for him at this stage in his career. Doris will be Lions Captain next year.
Yeeeeeeasssss Tim Conor was the best 9 in the world for years he doesn't forget does he. Unbelievable folk saying a "big drop off" if Murray plays. Clearly no understanding of Murray or the game.
As a very happy Irishman, I was equally shocked at how good Murray was and still is. As good as Dorris's performance was I do think Ard' Savea was a beast . Can we reclaim Zombie now?
@@shizzlemarizzle As a SAFFA, it will never be a SA song as long as the memory of Dolores is still alive. And for most of us, that will be forever. Of course, that doesn't mean we can't take the piss from time to time 🤣 Congrats on your win. Well deserved!
As a New Zealander, I have nothing but respect for ntoji and that monster English forward pack. They were awesome to watch and I felt we were lucky to win both games. Smith was first class.
Itoje has socked it to the ABs before, I think the ABs bring out the best in him. Although he was out on his feet in the last quarter and needed to be subbed.
Doubt if that was a dive. He got clipped during a full speed charge-down. Was going to decide the outcome so worth while to check but the right call was made in the end.
@@Chris____zzzzzYou can clearly hear he went full for the players legs and as soon as he landed he turned and he has his arms up looking for attention from the ref. It was sad from such a good player.
Hi Tim Thanks was great being with you on your trip, was in SA in 2006 a great country and you showed some friends of mine who made this trip in your pre game video. would love to see a video from you on the players to watch for the future from this couple of weeks. Safe travels.
Markus smith, wow kiwi here, he was so impressive in both games, how good is he going to become in time. It’s great someone is noticing Jordie Barrett, he does so much all game and so well.
I was so worried about the players we were missing at the beginning of this series but I think we can be more assured now having watching Jamie Osborne and Frawley this weekend! We are in safe hands going forward.
Great choices for all the right reasons Tim. Maybe one or two I'd change but it's borderline, it reflects what a great weekend of Rugby we were treated to.
Tim thanks for bringing us couch potatoes the prematch and post match atmosphere at the games you covered and at the outset I value your analysis after each game as its impartial and backed up with solid reasons why your team was chosen. Safe travels back home to you and the Irish fans who made the trip to SA.
I think you have that pretty much spot on. Ill just throw in a shout for Ronan Kelleher because of his work around the park which added to the ' physicality' for Ireland
Great to see new players like Osborne and Feyi-Waboso coming through. Crawley and Frawley are both excellent, just don't try saying both names in the same sentence quickly :)
Itoje is a 80 min player however he did seem to be blowing after 60 mins but that was hardly the norm. Yes he gave away 3 penalties in the last 20 but his penalty count overall has been very good. I didn't understand what you meant about giving penalties in dangerous places.
@@patrickchilds2987 His penalties often come when defending around the 2OM mark ie easily converted into 3 points. Itoge has to work hard because he is often doing the job of the back row at breakdowns, he's an outstanding player and has racked up an immense playing time since before the RWC. I just wish he had better support, Mercer & Willis !!! My comments particularly about fatigue related purely to this match, if you go through his England appearances though you will see that he has a significant penalty count.
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@@siviwenjajula5844 yeah, you guys need a good all around fly half. With Libbok in maybe you would have scored a try, but he would have probably missed three kicks to balance it out 😆
Itoje certainly is a huge menace at opponents’ lineouts, but he did slip back into his penchant for committing penalties at inopportune times - seems he had at least three he shouldn’t have had. Btw, Charlie Morgan in The Telegraph has done something interesting after these tests: He’s got a column taking an early look at who might get picked for the Lions tour. Of course he didn’t have fresh data from the Scots, though he does give nods to Duhan v.d.M, Schoeman, Huw Jones, Tuipolotu and Scott Cummings….but it would be interesting to hear your thoughts. Good picks, though, Tim.
When you were going through your team, after four players you had zero Irishmen, after they had just beaten the world champs in their own backyard, but I shouldn't have doubted you. To be fair, the Irish front row had a hard day in the scrum. But six in your final fifteen is a fair reflection of the achievement of winning away in SA. One of your picks had me conflicted. As an Ulsterman I keep banging on about Cooney not being given a chance, but I have to take my hat off to Murray, he gave a masterclass in control, passing and kicking, while de Klerk looked ordinary. Great analysis, as always, and the variety of your output is commendable.
From my perspective, all the relatively inexperienced Irish players stood up against the toughest opponents they could play. Osborne was great from the first game (he debuted on tour btw), Blade kept things going from when he came on, and Frawley the ice man. So the Irish team could say that they were as successful as they could’ve hoped for; series draw, new captain, depth built… SA also had the likes of Feinberg Mngomezulu, and I’m sure other nations have young talents ready to go.
Tim, love the XV you picked. But I must say.... that there is a beast under our noses and it's England. Jones is using al his experience over the years and putting it into England. Maybe thats why Boks are changing the style they are playing. Example I think the box kick is not as effective as in the past. Every team has its way of protecting the ball and running obstruction lines. I expect a strong England performance next year six nations maybe even end of year. ❤ the channel
Just pick 15 Tadhg Beirne's & that will do. Did you hear Kolbe is taking a stap back from rugby to concentrate on the Olympics? He's going for gold in diving. He's been practicing a lot.
Err, the Saffas had their most capped team ever, and, guess what, they lost... in other words, have a wee rethink and give us a reason for your statement...
Maybe not. Think Faf adds things to the Springbok engine that no one seems to notice. However, one guy who was found out yesterday was Handre Pollard. If we have no playmaker in the midfield then all we have is kicks and that is not going to win us games, not against the likes of Ireland or New Zealand.
Losing Willie Le Roux early on must be Pollards recurring nightmare, and it happened yesterday. I understand now why Mgmt was trying desperately to get Manny up to speed, especially with Am not playing 13. Two fantastic games and probably a fair outcome over 160 minutes. We can only dream of what a 3rd game would have given us.
Love the 15, apart from I'd maybe have the new aussie 13 from the reds instead of Henshaw. Maro number 2 is generous. His discipline let the team down second half. I'd probably have the Ox number 2.
I get your point about his three penalties in yhe last 20 mins but his performance in the first 60 mins was outstanding. Overall he comes out in credit , I think he deserves his place
What’s happened to ben earl? He’s been transparent this series and had a bit of a shocker yesterday. Don’t want to write him off but felt as though we need the bulk of Jack Willis to bust the gain line in tight play.
Tim, please can you do some coverage of the England U20's. Front row destroying everything in front of them - Borthwick please take note.Many thanks for your excellent reporting - just love it!
Agreed about Murray, and I feel like Caolin Blade deserves a mention. The fact that it was barely noticeable when he came on speaks to how well he played. No noticeable drop off from my perspective.
No doubt Murray played a blinder and Blade did well, but I'm sticking to my guns... why does the guy who is there or thereabouts every season as the best 9 in the URC keep getting overlooked? If you don't know who I'm talking about, have a wee think.
Your selections pretty thorough . . But, I would have given top replacement to Frawley . . ..to do that, to have the confidence, the ba**s to kick two amazing drop goals especially after his miss in the champuons cup final . . . in the back yard of the World champs takes some doing . . . And having said that Barratt was playing at home . . . At EdenPark an All black fortress . ...
Hey you're not from the northern hemisphere, are ya? Ya wouldn't know it mate. 😅 But that Irish fullback won the game for Ireland. And they made the best try of the weekend, so yeah - it was a green weekend. But what a stadium in SA. Wow.
I thought that for the first 60 mins he was likely the best player on the pitch . Certainly his strung of penalties in the last 20 were disappointing but he didn't lose England the game . Overall he was bet positive. Without Itoje NZ would have scored a lot more points
Wouldn’t say they underperformed. They just came up against a team who wanted it more. 50/50 possession and territory, SA had more metres made, more defenders beaten, better tackle success, bullied our scrum, conceded less penalties, 14 lineout wins Vs 8 for Ireland showing they had plenty of attacking platform opps, 8 kickable penalties showing the pressure they were putting us under. On paper they outperformed us in all major aspects of the game. Definitely 2 of the top teams in the world right now
I thought England left something on the field and didnt feel they wanted it enough but just a view from afar. And NZ down but never out they are such a force
I like IFW, but my eyes must be lying to me regarding him being rapid. Now if you were to say Sleightholme and the word rapid together in the same sentence I would heartily agree. When has IFW ever won a clear one-on-one footrace?
Why do SA, have a bee in their bonnet when it comes to Ireland. Even misquoting what Irish players said after their match in World Cup. Ridiculous tbh.
Seriously, English is not there first language. There is also a cultural difference in how statements are interpreted. An example of this was Ebens interpretation of the Irish squads hard luck and pat on the back statement after we beat them. I would like to be more positive about how the Boks behave after loses.
Haha..he is indeed. Although his rugby improved by going to NZ. Unfortunately for you guys, his famous father, and his heritage ties to NZ meant his desire to play for the AB’s was too strong.
Lomax was born in Canberra while his father (NZ rugby league legend) was playing for the Raiders which means his country of birth is Australia but his nationality is NZ, I guess that means Lomax is playing for the correct country 😆
@@jormundgandr88 OK, while also eligible for AU, Lomax chose to play for NZ who he was also eligible. Lomax doesn't become the player he is now if he stays in AU. As for De Groot, he was born in AU but his family moved back to NZ when he was an infant, and with Williams and Taylor, they were born in Whangarei and Levin.
The Attack on Malcolm Marx’s knee by Calvin Doris and one of the Irish Locks that resulted in a yellow card and left Malcolm Marx limping was a low point in the Match imho
He didn’t attack his knee intentionally I think somebody is watching a bit too much wildcard rugby. he just tried to get him off the ball admittedly he did crock roll but it wasn’t in the neck like it normally is. What made it look worse was he was joined in the tackle by James Ryan behind him that made it look worse than it was. It’s Caelin Doris btw.
I don't think it was intentional. Was a croc-roll and the ref gave the yellow. Marx is obviously very difficult to shift off the ball and when you are desperate you sometimes make bad decisions in the heat of the moment.
@@ciaranbrk Even Ryan coming in his arms are around Marx's waist, wasn't anything wrong with his hit. Doris doesn't fall on his leg either, he falls beside it. Only wrong bit is Doris having his hand on the Marx's thigh, which he should have let go of, but since he was falling down under Ryan you can understand him holding onto something.
Great coverage as always, you looked to have had an amazing time in SA! I have to admit the English team impressed me, I feel they look like they can only get better. I think there's very little between SA, Ireland, New Zealand and England currently, which is great for the game of rugby and even better for us fans! Being Irish I'm bias but I really was impressed with our resilience and resolve! A little nugget of info as you seemed impressed by Jamie Osborne, he has a younger brother Andrew who is quite the player too! 😉
I knew the Boks were in trouble with Connor Murray on the field. Incredible player in his own right and reads the play for the team matchlessly. Great player!
