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Crazy that Ford didnt follow Tesla with a heat pump and a single system to handle all. Sandy Munro's Mach E teardown showed how many crazy cooling hoses and pumps Ford is using. This is definitely 1st Gen EV and I am sure it will reduce in parts later.
People online like to knock Tesla for quality, some of it is rightfully deserved, but you can't knock their engineering to make their cars as easy to produce (and repair) as possible. I know somebody with a 5 year old Model 3 who has yet to take it in for any sort of service.
It is far more complicated than the Tesla system but it has the advantage of a backup heat source. It can use the inverter and motor heat to supplement heat or be the primary heat source of the PTC heater fails. Tesla doesn't have that capability. But I do expect Ford to eventually move to a heat pump solely for the efficiency gains.
If you look around at many late model ICE vehicles you'll find coolant hose counts not far off this Lightning. Water-air intercooler, fuel cooler, and trans cooler on cold red with electric pump. Engine and turbo on the hot radiator and engine driven pump but may have an electric one too. The transfer case can also be plumbed to the cooling system for it to be cooled. The EV coolant Temps are 150-ish and less.
As a retired FORD mechanic I laughed my ass off when Hoovie said I'm a 5.4 watch me drop a cam phaser..I used to love those cuz I could easily beat the flat rate on 'em.
I live in a rural community and these trucks are FAR off of what we need for agricultural use. After watching your video of the towing range, I'll be sticking with combustion engines for the foreseeable future.
Yeah an electric truck made for agricultural use wouldn't have a 20 inch touchscreen either. I get what you're saying but Ford isn't exactly looking for your business with the Lightning. This is for suburbanites who don't do truck stuff and would be better served with a Honda Accord and renting a uhaul the 2 times a year they buy mulch or a new dryer but their ego won't let them buy a car.
No amount of effort will get you a practical EV farm truck. Battery tech simply isn't there yet - hopefully something actually nice shows up soon enough
EVs are expensive golf carts. I might consider getting one for local driving only. Hybrids are by far the most efficient as they recharge themselves and allow for long range trips with quick refueling and not needing a road map to find charging stations that take 45 minutes to charge for another 100 miles of range.
I'm all for going green, I even bike to work, but I have a very hard time not feeling like the future of cars is moving to unrepairable and planned obsolescence. Great for companies, not any better for consumers or the environment.
My impression is that the future is moving to longer-lasting vehicles that don't need as many repairs, but what repairs are needed will mostly be swapping out modules because it will simply be easier and cheaper to replace an old module with a new one than to repair the old one. But I also expect that with autonomy we will begin to see transportation as a service displacing much private ownership of vehicles, especially in urban areas, so the companies operating those services will want vehicles that are durable and easy to repair so that if something breaks the vehicle can be quickly repaired and put back in service rather than sitting around in the garage. That said, I expect most people in rural areas and many in small towns will still own their own vehicles. In urban areas where a wait time for an autonomous taxi will be very short and parking costs can be very high transportation as a service will be a huge cost saver - but in rural areas and in small towns not so much.
@@alanlight7740 Autonomous vehicles are a pipe-dream in the real world; a sci-fi fantasy that will never overcome legal hurdles even if technically feasible in a controlled environment.
Proud owner of a 2023 Lariat LR. Think of all the things you don't have to replace over time with a Lightning. Exhaust system, transmissions, tune ups, lubricants, filters, plugs, starters, fuel systems, etc, etc! Oh and because of regenerative braking the brake pads could easily last the life of the vehicle. Few owners mention but the amazing full matrix headlights are incredible.
Alright let’s settle this starting with the brakes. Brake fluid has to be changed every two years because it’s hygroscopic and performs worse over time. Hopefully you can bleed those yourself without a dealers scan tool, but probably with a fancy vacuum pump at a minimum. The F150 has a significantly shorter stopping distance being the lighter vehicle which in the real world is more important than acceleration and makes it far safer. Then the tires will wear down quicker over time and be more expensive due to the weight on the EV. As you saw here there are two coolant systems. The battery coolant is lifetime so there is no manufacturer support in replacing or repairing that system when something goes wrong. As far as catastrophic failures you are trading the engine and transmission for the battery. I’ll take the engine and transmission because at least in that case I can change only one of those whereas the cost of the battery would be both the cost of the engine and transmission if not more. The suspension is entirely made up of wear parts on both vehicles by nature depending on rubber. The EV being heavier vehicle will have a more expensive suspension to replace when the time inevitably comes. In the time it takes to charge the lightning at a level 3 charger I can change my oil in the comfort of my own garage every few months which doubles as my routine inspection time. If you are lucky you are going to trade less frequent more expensive maintenance for more frequent less expensive maintenance.
"I think that's something waiting to break..." said EVERY car owner in the last 10 years... There's an episode of "King of the Hill" where Hank is invited to a focus group on a new truck, and he says it's one step away from being a powder room. He was spot on.
@@Blowinshiddup I think it's even funnier and exemplary of how far we have pushed every product into the absurd. I've been on a KOTH kick lately. Just watched the ep last week. Every child in school should be forced to watch the entirety of KOTH for basic civics. It would be leagues better than the modern curriculum
Door number pad is awesome and I’ll never be convinced otherwise. You can throw all your stuff in the car including keys and lock it so you don’t lose anything, for instance, going on a float trip? Leave wallet, phone, keys in car, lock it, have fun drinking on tipping over canoes, swimming, floating etc, without worry that you’ll need to replace a $800 phone, $200 key/fob, credit cards, ID, etc or anything. It will always be one of my favorite feature on a car.
it amazes me that ford is pretty much the only company who ever did it. I believe Nissan tried it back in the mid 80's? but it was super rare. I don't really lock my truck, but I love the keypad.
@@joeweaver9913 I went to Batteries Plus to recycle AA and AAA and 9V batteries and had to pay them to take them. Will EV batteries be the same? You can bet there will be a “disposal” fee when they are replaced, assuming they can or will be.
That's exactly what I was thinking with the tailgate, all that nonsense is cool at first, but how much is an electric tailgate cost to fix or replace in the event of a rear end collision? All that cool crap is going to need to be fixed someday.
Not even in a rear end collision. I'll be making the other bastard's insurance pay for that part. But the real question is what will it cost when it just breaks on its own and you just have to replace it out of your own pocket
When I bought my latest Ford truck a few years back, at the dealership when I was signing the huge stack of papers etc. The guy of course started in on the sales pitch for all the various extended warranties, when he tried the extended warranty for the electrical system. He said your standard warranty doesn't cover the electrical system and he said "Your new truck has 15 km of wiring in it... you should get this warranty" I couldn't imagine how much more wiring this truck has. I declined all the extra warranties, I was very specific about it... yet somehow in the stack of papers he managed to slip in a tire warranty, I was so mad about that. Surprise, surprise that tire warranty was next to useless, you needed to get pre-authorization to get a flat repair, at only approved shops... who the heck has time to deal with all that when you get a flat?
This truck is going to be exactly like the mustang Mach E nothing but a big expensive piece of crap over expensive and what is it going to be good good for I saw a test on one of these loaded with a trailer it went 50 miles versus a diesel truck which went 250 miles they tested this lightning on the tfl RU-vid so whoever bought this truck I would send it back get your money back and buy a real truck with a real engine like a diesel .
A friend of mine owns a 4 bay Garage he has operated since he was a Teenager! He once told me that "if it wasn't for FORD's, he would starve to death!" That's when I noticed all 4 bays had a ford in it and we live in a GM town with a huge GM factory just 1 mile away! I had warranty problems with a new 98 Ranger I bought. Piss poor service and had to argue with them to get the problems fixed. I didn't buy another one. Only 1 new Ford experience for me was enough!
Believe it or not, there's likely less wiring (for the drivetrain) in this. Think of how many wires a standard engine has, four wires for every 02 sensor, IAC, oil pressure, individual injectors, coil on plug harnesses, crank and cam positioning sensors. On this a lot of it is packed up front where it's safe, the rest of the truck should be identical to a gas truck, with ABS sensors and all that being similar. A very basic EV can have so much less wiring, but companies are cramming them full of other comfort electronics since there's expensive anyway.
And in a few more years, nobody is going to hassle me about add-ons when I get a used one. My C-Max Energi will last long enough for me to pick up a Mustang off lease in a few years, and then no more gasoline in a car EVER. (I'll keep an ICE bike a bit longer, nobody's built one I really want yet.) The plug-in hybrid is great, and the last few months I've loved laughing at the suckers paying today's gas prices, but it's almost time to never care what gas costs again.
@@jonc4403 Well, I agree in principle, except we need to triple our current production of electricity, within 15 years... and I don't see triple the power plants, being built... or electrical transmission lines, and as usual it all comes down to supply and demand.
I love the number pad thing it's a life saver. If I go hiking just lock everything up and when I come back, just punch in the code. Sometimes I give the code to my friends so they wait for me inside the truck instead of standing outside waiting for me, so convenient.
Definitely a life saver, I have it on my F-150 HD. Sometimes for a quick return to grab something I forgot, instead of leaving the engine running with unlock doors (car thieves can jump in), I just lock it up and punch in the code when I return.
Me too - I would never have imagined how convenient it is to be able to get in and out of the truck without the key. They did try to kill off the number pad once, but there was an uproar from customers and they brought it back. I read someplace that Ford wants to kill it, but can’t figure out how.
Pretty sure this truck was rushed through the design process in order to "add momentum" to the push for EV's from major auto manufacters. In reality it isn't close to good technology, yet. The range is 2/3 of what you'd expect in less than optimum conditions and less if you are towing. My guess is that lightnings will be collecters items in the future, mainly for the uniqueness of the vehicle and not because it was ultimately a successful pickup truck design.
Watched videos on 5.4. key is to change oil regularly. With out sluge buildup should last a long time. Problem is buying a used Ford truck, don't know maintenance background.
Yeah 5.4 isn’t a bad motor. Take care of your shit. People do t change their oil and are lazy with vehicles and then when the thing grenades it’s all of a sudden a piece of shit vehicle.
@Michael Tinari That's what I've been saying for years. More than half the time, the vehicle would be fine for a long time if the owner just took care of it.
What I find hilarious is how GM mocked Ford for having a "man step" in the tailgate, and then a few years later released its own heavily over-engineered version that's about 10x more complicated and more expensive that'll almost certainly break 6 months after the warranty expires.
@@whatareyoudoingyouidiot342 Meanwhile Ram split the tailgate sideways 60-40 so you can just walk up and use the step that holds the license plate. I've seen one and only one. I wish barn doors on SUVs hadn't died.
My 05 5.4 is still hauling 1200 lbs of gravel after 284k like it only has 175k. I've had it 5 years and spent less than $1500 for all work other than oil changes.
So Id be very curious to see what happens to all of the plugs/electrical connectors and all of the steel skid plates after a few years of Michigan winters. I cant image all of the road salt being very good for any of it. Ok just I just read an article that a guy has a fully loaded platnium edition of this truck with the extended range batteries in it. He hooked his boat up to it which weighs about 7400 pounds. He started out with fully charged batteries and managed to drive 58 MILES before his batteries were dead. Who wants one of these now?
you mean like the 2019 chevy trucks with the braided ground straps underneath that rot away in less than 3 years causing major electrical problems that dealers want to charge a fortune to fix (replacing electronics and sensors) instead of just putting a good ground cable on it?
Electrical comnections are usually water tight and if the manufactures would just gold plate the electrical connections they would not be susceptible to corrosion. It was an industry standard to gold plate the electrical connections on wires for air bags for many years IDK if it still is though.
I'm an EV tech working in Norway, the country with the most EVs per capita in the world, and salt isn't a problem at all. All the connectors are well isolated/insulated, and we never see any corrosion in the high voltage lines. It's much more of a problem on the low voltage lines, and an EV have just as many low voltage lines as any combustion car.
@@jasoncrandall73 yeah I mean you can get 20 years out of a frame in the rust belt it's the thin body panels that get speed holes. That skid plate should last till the battery is junk and the truck is a mechanical write off. I don't like that all that fancy shit under the frunk and under the skid plate that is going to get salt in it.
@@griffin8062 they need to be heated as well, in cold weather your range drops and below freezing half the range will be gone due to heating the battery and yourself
I'm glad most EVs come with that system nowadays. I have a first-gen Leaf that doesn't have a battery cooling system, and it's lost a lot of range over the years. Part of that is just older battery tech, but a cooling system makes a world of difference. Batteries last a lot longer if they're kept within their preferred temperature range.
Oh man you guys just reminded me of my 2004 5.4 cam phases rattling extremely loud. I remember someone asking me if I had a diesel engine one time. Ford wanted $2500 to repair my phasers and then look at timing chains (think had 2) that was another $1500 if bad. I sold it soon after. Like the channel gents!
Imagine repair expenses on that! What if the battery fails for example. Don’t know about the lightning but I heard the Tesla costs $20,000 to replace the battery. And what about when the day comes to put the truck “out to pasture”? Because of those rechargeable lithium batteries they would be considered hazmat right? So there would have to be specialized disposal methods for them. Thank god I live in a state where the wokies aren’t in control and pushing their “eco” agenda. I’ll happily keep my gas burner. Also, imagine taking a family vacation in an EV. Can’t just go anywhere you want… you have to plan your stops around where there is a nearby charging station.
We are not eliminating emissions we are exporting them to other countries. When these batteries are no longer good we will send them to another country where they will be buried & forgotten till they become an environmental issue.
This is actually fascinating. It’s so much more interesting to see the machinery behind these cars vs the the myth that these cars aren’t mechanical. That said, I can spot things that I like better about EV drivetrains and things I like better about ICE drive trains. All in all they’re all machines.
I can't believe how wide open it is around the front of the battery. Just imagine driving through a wet slushy snowstorm and then it turns to sub zero temperatures. This thing will be a block of ice down there. That's insane!!!
First I was surprised when they show lack of protection under the hood - wheel arcs literally open into the area formerly known as engine bay. Then I got shocked when I see all these high voltage connectors underneath.. Exposed to dirt and elements. This is indeed insane.
It can go thru deeper water than most regular fossil vehicles. Everything will be totally sealed off on wiring, sensors, battery , motors and all. You will not find that on a Fossil car.
We have a few Toshiba T300MVi 1250HP VFDs on our property and the drive rooms have 6 wall pack 5 ton A/C's per two units o we don't have to deal with water.
I can imagine the nightmare. It's called, "being a slave to a dealership & manufacturer for the rest of your life". Fun. But yes, EV's are less maintenance.... I'd rather rebuild my engine once every 2 months than deal with that monstrosity.
@@RothBeyondTheGrave These EV's are disposable the battery likely goes bad around the same time the coolant parts start to leak. Not going to see many 15 or 20 year old EV trucks using LiOn batteries...they warranty the batteries for 8 years so it is safe to assume at around 10-12 years just dig a hole and throw dirt on it.
@@shaunbava1801 More like those batteries will be repurposed after they reach the end of their useful life in the vehicle into electric grid storage for green energy (no sun at night and the wind doesn't always blow). At minimum the metal content is worth recycling, and those industries are gearing up for the new EV market as well.
Love the number pad. Very handy when you don’t have your key or remote and you want to get something out of the car. Also, you can lock your keys etc. (hidden)in the car when you are at the beach etc. Very useful, don’t know why they all don’t do it.
Only one thing wrong with that keypad, Forgetting you don't have it anymore because you bought a different vehicle and casually lock your keys inside the vehicle like you have for the last few years every time you go fishing. Ask me how I know.
@@skoronesa1 the fact got away with that is telling of Fords influence on goberment. Like I get a patent for the actual keypad, but a patent for the use of any keypads to open a vehicle door is nuts
3:41 Don’t knock the number pad. It’s actually a great feature. I had a Fusion with it and I used it all the time. Handy when you just need to grab something out of the car and you don’t want to fiddle with the keys.
@@BubbaSimmz I had all that. My car now you don’t even need a key fob. Just your phone. But it was nice to be able to get in the car without any of that.
Except electric cars has been around for more than a decade, and they do better than gas cars for service, car-fire (opposite what most think, they don't explode, and burd less often), running costs and most other measurements. The battery survives longer than most though too.
Tell that to the teenage girl who bought a used 2014 Focus electric that needs a $11,000 battery. The car is worth far less than that and is a paperweight.
What Concerns Me Is The " Real Life Application Of The Electric Truck" Example Say a 17yr Old Takes This OFF ROAD now its Stuck in Water. Will The Batteries That Have Been Exposed or Even Sumerged in Water. Will it START, CATCH FIRE, OR EXPLODE????
This is the second video I've watched of his. I will take exception to your statement and say this guy is a fuckin numbnuts that wakes up in a new world every day. Every GD comment he makes about this truck "huh that's different but the torque though". Ugh. Take the fanboi glasses off and rewatch.
Yes. In 2035 it will be almost impossible to get a new gas car. So for a while the mechanic industry will increase as people try to keep their old cars running.
@@ecospider5 Don't buy that nonsense. The math does not work on EV's. Oil is a LOT cheaper to produce! Look at how much it was when Trump was in office. No way anyone can justify a car that even our electrical grid can't support!
And you can't drive as far and you have to wait forever to charge it. Everyones saying "it's going that way whether we like it or not" Well, I guess I'm committing suicide because I'm done. I'd rather not be in this shithole of a disaster no one wants but everyone accepts like the bunch of low IQ individuals they truely are
@@asherdie ...Tesla batteries after 10 years are still going strong with less than 10% range loss, & we can expect future batteries to do even better. Automotive lithium batteries will all be recycled - doing so is far cheaper than mining & refining the materials from scratch. Range loss when towing, etc is inevitable. These losses apply to ICE vehicles as well, but few of us notice because gasoline engines are so inefficient by comparison to electric drives.
As a young mechanic who only got into the industry a few years ago it has been crazy to watch how electric cars have gone from a niche little novelty to becoming the future of all vehicles. In my automotive schooling we barely went over hybrids let alone fully electric vehicles. It breaks my heart because I am not passionate at all about electric vehicles especially being someone that only buys and drives manual cars. To me the less driver assist the more enjoyable the driving experience is. I really wish I was born earlier because all of my favorite cars are from the 90s and are rare now and fetch ridiculous prices online these days and the fact that you can't ever buy cars like that again in the future isn't helping. I either need to get into a dealer so I can be prepped and ready for the electric car shift or get into a specialty Indy shop that will continue to work on ICE vehicles like we have now with classic car restoration shops. Or maybe just switch careers. I wonder how it's going to affect the industry with the whole flat rate pay scale since there will be less moving parts there will be less jobs to go around. For the first time in a long time we might see mechanic Jobs become a saturated market instead of in high demand. They'll become hard to get instead of mechanics being hard to find.
This is a really interesting take. I 100% agree with you on everything you said! What this also means though is if you specialize in ICE engines you will have all the business you could ever want. I personally think there’s a huge disconnect between what politicians think we need and what people will actually spend their hard-earned money on. Trust me, there will always be a market for car enthusiasts who will always pay any amount of money to have work done on their V8 engine. Look at sports cars….as turbocharged small engines and electric motors take over everything, you’ll see V8 and V10 engines become more and more valuable. Just like manuals are more and more valuable. Look at Ferraris. If you want a used Ferrari with a gated manual transmission, that car will cost you almost double what a paddle shift will cost you.
Maintenance is low but repairs are a problem. High voltage requires time to make the unit safe to work on. Expose the inside of that battery pack to oxygen and all hell ignites. Lithium is NOT the best element to use.
Just because the rich people running car companys and politicians say it's the future doesn't mean there right... or that is has to be..... gas cars will be relevant for as long as any of us will live. The majority of the population will never be able to afford an ev.. if you really are a car mechanic and car enthusiasts don't be such a spineless bitch. Fight for the type of cars you love!
Understand this: The EV is a dead end technology. The essential chemistry and technology has not, can not and will not change. You may deny reality but reality will not deny you.
I am an old, disabled vet and just got a great deal on a 2023 Lariat, extended battery Lightning. I absolutely love this truck. I am not like Hoovie where I can flip a vehicle on a whim. This truck is much less complicated than a internal combustion vehicle with all it's complicated systems. No thanks, I am done with ICE cars.
How's it less complicated. The electronics on the vehicle would be very complicated all by itself. If there was a fault somewhere it'd cost a lot in labour to diagnose.
Yeah, I mean they can't charge during peak time during a heatwave for 4 hours at night for a couple of days. Oh, the humanity... lets just cancel EV's right now....
In the mid- 1960’s my older brother bought a ‘46 Ford pickup. It had a flathead six and a four speed crashbox transmission. We did bodywork and paint. The wiring needed attention. I learned a lot from that truck (how to double clutch, for instance). My brother sold that truck when he married his first wife (of four). That truck functioned well. I miss that truck.
I know this "show" isn't scripted but I love when they plan stuff out in advance, I burst out laughing when Wizard starts drinking water right as Hoovie is taking a turn slowly, I saw it coming a mile away but it was even better than I thought it would be.
Ev’s are great and all but why is nobody talking about how we’re going to produce enough electricity to power all of them? Just look at California right now…People are being asked not to run their ac…forget about being able to charge your car.
Definitely an issue, but it shouldn't be an argument against it. Rather people should be getting on their local politicans asses and asking why they haven't put any money into energy infrastructure in decades as most countries aren't having the aforementioned issue.
Watching this has me torn between my natural inclination to tear stuff apart to see how it works and crippling fear of modern technology and the rise of the machines. Still a great video, and much more interesting than most F150 lightning videos out right now. ⚡️⚡️⚡️
Those Control Arms in the Rear are BEEFY!!! But this new Tech coming out. It puts us older guys who LOVE and Hate working on Cars. This... I'm with Wizard.. I won't even touch a EV in repairs.
There's honestly not much you CAN even repair on them. Motors are going to probably be a "replace as a unit" type of thing. The equivalent to engine out stuff is going to be battery replacements. They aren't maintenance free, but there's a lot less of it. Coolant leaks are probably going to be the biggest thing, especially with that rat's nest of small hoses this thing is using.
Honestly, there's not much to be repaired on them. If a motor fails it gets replaced. If the battery pack fails it gets replaced. The rest of it (suspension, brakes) is just normal car parts though like every other car.
@@whatareyoudoingyouidiot342 that battery replacement is the kicker. Imagine buying a 10 yr old used whatever for $15k, knowing you actually bought a $30k used whatever. And you'll never be able to swap the batteries yourself. Meanwhile, literal inbreds are swapping old truck motors in their barns with basic hand tools. The future is "dealership only". Hopefully they'll at least sell us suspension & brake components. I could see hoses being denied sale due to the risk of fire if/when someone were to spill coolant & any of the various high voltage components that are seemingly everywhere.
Wizard may retire, but he will forever be in our hearts a mechanic. Also I love the keypad. it's great when you go out on a boat or jet ski. You throw the keys in the console so they don't end up at the bottom of the ocean.
Ford is the only company that still puts them on their vehicles and when I ordered my Maverick, I made sure I speced it out with the trim level that would include the pad on the door. I’ve always thought it was a great idea. Nissan used to do it in the 90’s, my daughters first car was a 93 Maxima that had the feature.
I'm telling you, I'd break that fancy charging thing almost immediately lol, the first load of firewood its gone. Hopefully they have that inside a metal box. I do like the front trunk where the motor used to be. That's a handy place to store tools and would be a better place for the plugs that are in the bed. All in all evs won't currently work for my application I live in rural areas but I am excited for the future, as we perfect the technology they may become useful.
I was going to say the plugs in the bed would be great for plugging in your power tools but everyone is now using cordless tools so I don't see a value .
That's precisely it. Unless you're an enthusiast (for the truck), or only need it for a daily commute, EV's won't be practical. However, they do fill a considerable need for millions of people. The rest, well, as you said... once they perfect the technology, ICE vehicles will mostly be a novelty. Or, only useful in places where electricity is just not feasible. But that's likely 15-20 years away.
The keypad is the best thing ford ever did. I always have a spare key in my truck hidden so i wont strand myself if i do loose my key. The last two buttons pushed together lock the doors and i have mine programmed to unlock all doors always
I've always been a fan of them, especially when boating. You can squirrel the keys away somewhere safe in the car/truck and lock it and not worry about the "Plunk" noise they make when they go for a swim as you go from dock to bow/stern. Would have loved the Lincoln red led style hidden typically on a glossy section of the B pillar somewhere on my '14 Mustang (although there really isn't an elegant spot to put them on all the last of the S197, unless they could do it in the leading edge of quarter window. I'd imagine It'd just put the square box on the door like an afterthought.) Ford does offer a stick on, 3m tape numpad for nearly all their vehicles ... great for those that really need it, but outside a work truck it'd have to be something you really wanted.
Nah the Jaguar/Land Rover activity key beats that number pad hands down. Just swipe the bootlid with the bracelet and you’re in. Can keeps keys in the car which de-activate when the activity key is used. So you can go swim or whatever.
I ordered my 2022 traverse with a keypad. I’m a ford guy but had gm credit due to another car I had that they would buy me a car of similar msrp. Apparently gm has the keypad as an option but no one gets it lol
What will this be like in 20 years... Possibly scrapped when someone gets an estimate for the replacement high voltage battery. I have been to the USA and have experience just how hard it is to get about without a car. With this in mind I can see a future where there will be a greater divide because cost of ownership or leasing of a car will escalate and a lack of affordable used cars with batteries having viable remaining life.
I would love to see you tow a 7,000 pound trailer and see what happens to the range of the truck. Someone reported on one of the car forums (I can't remember who) that they got about 80 miles before the battery died. Yikes.
6.0 Powerstroke is universally panned on but everyone forgets that it was lightyears more reliable than the 6.4 after it. A 6.0 that isn't beat on truly isn't very bad, it's just when you start to actually use it that they blow up.
"That sounds like something waiting to break" My thought exactly, and that is what scares me about EVs. I'm fine with having electricity running my wheels, but please don't electrify stuff just to electrify it. Shit is going to be a NIGHTMARE to fix in 5-7 years. If you can't lift up a tailgate by yourself, you probably shouldn't be driving a truck to begin with.
This is a disaster waiting to happen and all by design. Ca says no gas cars by 2035 and also says please don't charge your electric cars we don't have enough electric. This will be another form of control, ooops we don't have elec just lockdown at home, only 2 weeks to flatten the electric shortage. People really need to listen to World Economic Forum saying we will own nothing by 2030, we will eat bugs, lab grown meat and GMO soy patties, that we will live in ''smart'' cities with total surveillance and no escape with no way to defend ourselves and a carbon footprint tracker with a social rating system and all digital money that they can tax EVERY sale of every item and service and can reach into your bank account and take whatever they want whenever they want calling it a fee, tax or fine. People are fking dumb if they think this is good.
See, the thing is, if it goes to plan, these won't even be on the road anymore in 5-7 years, they'll all have been traded in for a newer model once the initial lease runs out, and scrapped by because they'll be too expensive to maintain. So that car buyers will be in perpetual debt. Planned obsolescence at it's finest, just ignore the very very limited resources in terms of battery material and what it takes to manufacture them. Was a study by Volvo of all companies, one of the most woke greenie safe car companies out there that found an EV only becomes more environmentally friendly than an ICE car once it's driven 70.000 miles or the equivalent of 9 years of driving by UK standards, because of how harmful manufacturing them is. ( study is called Carbon footprint report - Volvo C40 Recharge ) Gone are the days when you can buy a car/truck and if you took care of it it'll last 30 years and 500.000 miles. Once the battery goes to turd on these in about 8-10 years, they'll get scrapped because nobody is gonna pay 20.000$ for a new battery... That's if you can even get a new battery for it by then. Yes, I know there are exceptions, but really how many first gen Model S's do you see on the road anymore for example? you know, the ones with the black round grille. Practically none where I'm at because they've all had their batteries die. And it's gonna be fun (not) to see how the power grids handle EV charging once 40-50-60% of the cars on the road are EV and everyone plugs them in to charge at the same time around 6PM when they get home from work. If summer, where once the heat comes in there's rolling blackouts because everyone is turning their AC on is anything to go by, people will realise soon enough that EVs in fact aren't the way forward and all the time and money spent developing them should instead have gone into developing Hydrogen (you know, the most common element in the universe) instead of chasing the red herring of EVs, and the power grid will only get worse as we're pushing to be at natures mercy with clean energy like solar and wind, whilst shutting down the one power source that could potentially keep up with demand, nuclear, because regardless of how insanely efficient and clean nuclear is per amount of energy produced, nuclear is bad because nuclear is scary. Are EVs more reliable and convenient and easier to maintain whilst they're brand new and under warranty? You bet your sweet bippi they are, and that's all that people who can afford to get a new car ever 3 years and are happy to be in constant debt are concerned about, but there's others, like me, who'd rather take the pain of maintaining and running an older ICE car just because I can maintain and work on it myself and other than parts cost, which even in the times where something would break and need fixing every month, my costs of ownership were still less than half of a really entry level new car monthly payment.
Totally useless. Can't even do 200 miles on a charge if you're towing. If you can live on an EV range profile, you likely don't need a truck unless you're compensating for your lacking manhood.
7:00 -- My engineer brain is looking at that pile of spaghetti and just about having a conniption fit! How could any self-respecting engineer make something so disorganized?
The timeline to develop this truck was very short, AND it was required that it was able to be assembled using conventional F-150 parts and techniques. So certain packaging optimizations weren't even considered. Give it a few years, it will be cleaned up.
Apparently while pulling the max amount with this truck, it will give you just a 40 mile range. 40 miles. That's it. ( standard F150, not the Platinum version with extra battery. )
That's a great range for towing. You would barely get out of town with another 300 miles to go to your destination. Makes one wonder about transport trucks towing heavy loads through high mountain passes. Sounds like a great idea.
@@dregsta that's what the Globalists are pushing for they want everyone confined. There's a video on RU-vid called The Line. Look it up and see what they have planned for the world.
Yeah, I saw that tailgate and I shook my head, saying they tried to fix what wasn't broken. But don't worry, it will be broken. Who the F wants a power tailgate?
@@joeweaver9913 Electric car people don't care about functionality, they care about appearances. 95% of these trucks will literally NEVER see a load in the bed beyond a duffel of soccer gear or a bag of groceries. The power tailgate so they can flex on poors at Trader Joe's is worth more to the intended customer than a whole real truck would be...
I found it hilarious that from the 4th minute to the 9th minute was just like me working on my 20 year old Buick. "Well, there's some bolts. What do you think that does?" Yep, that's me spot on!
5:22 I would imagine the jump port under the fender cover is so that you don't have to remove the contents of the frunk to access the battery terminal from inside if you have a lot of stuff in there.
Yup, I have a 2012 volt and it has the battery in the rear hatch under a panel that covers a liner. It's not a big deal to get to it, but GM luckily put jump points under the hood to make things easier when you need it.
I like the technology with electric cars. However it's not really being green. The amount of fossil fuels that is burnt to build them. The amount of mining in Africa and Andes to supply the needs of battery manufacturers. And in 10 years that truck will be made into tin cans because it will cost more to replace the battery than What's its worth creating more pollution. I think that more thought needs to go into making hydrogen
Nobody claims electric cars are 100% 'green'. The point is just that they are far less polluting than any gasoline or diesel vehicle. Hydrogen vehicles are not efficient enough resulting in far higher CO2 emissions.
Reducing carbon.. humans are carbon based ! Trees absorb carbon dioxide to produce oxygen, so we can breathe, and it helps regulate temps. Not to mention the plants - food that needs it. These people are idiots, or super evil.
California: We're transitioning to Green Energy and banning internal combustion by 2035 for a more sustainable future. California: Please avoid charging EV's during peak hours because our power grid can't handle the demand.
@@tcm81 Californians aren't the people complaining. They can still charge off peak hours with no issues. It's the people in places like Texas where most can't afford an EV anyway.
@@Guy1138 Actually these EV's have a lot of coolant in them, both to cool the batteries and drive units, and the interior. There is also oil in the gearcases, etc. that are part of the drive units. I just know how much I hate how salt collects under my current vehicles and I can see it happening on these too. I'm surprised a lot of the undercarriage isn't sealed up better than it is.
The Bolt EV is similar in how the AC works, doing double duty for cooling the cabin as well as all the mechanical/battery. There are 3 coolant loops in the Bolt. Battery, electronics, and cabin. Not sure yet if the F150 lightning has more loops.
It's beyond astonishing that you can SEE all those electrical connectors from underneath the truck. If you can see them, the snow and salt can sure get to them. They might be OK in California and New Mexico but I'd give it one winter here in the UK! I suppose the thinking is that it's a truck and any protective shield would just get smashed?
“I’m a Ford 5.4, watch me drop a cam phaser!” 😂😂😂 The tailgate step seems silly UNTIL the first time you use it… then it’s amazing! (It’s an option on the gas trucks too.)
Hoovie nailed it tho on us boomers with bad knees. My neighbour's wife gets a kick out of watching me get in and out of the bed of my pickup. I've learned to just grab my 3' step ladder now "awww that's no fun" lol.
Had it on my 2012 FX2. Was cool. Wouldn't specifically select it on a build sheet, though. I liked GM's built in bumper step. No moving parts to fail until the bumper rusts through
I wish my Ranger had the step. My Silverado had the bumper steps which was awesome. Getting up into the bed of the Ranger isn't as easy as it used to be and I'm only in my 30s. To quote Dr Jones, "It's not years, it's the mileage."
Hoovie: sees many coolant lines “that’s crazy, how to find a leak in this?”. Also Hoovie: “yes hello, i would like to buy a car with mineral oil for suspension”
I believe a similar phrase was used by notable car design enginners at Munroe and associates in relation to the Marh E... way too many coolant lines.. compared to a Tsla..
@@Mellowyellow8888 Yes, Sandy on Munro Live was less than complimentary on the Mach-E cooling system, I'm not sure if this is better, or just more spread out. On the Mach-E the whole rat's nest was just *there* when you took off the plastic tub, and my god it was complex. This was the result of using available parts from their suppliers in whatever place they were needed. The Tesla way of combining everything in one, (the famous, or maybe infamous Octovalve) might in the future mean a more expensive part to replace, but for sure the labour charges will be less, and the cost to build the car is *far* less. The Lightning and Mach-E are not a bad effort from Ford, given where they started from, but they are going to need a serious campaign of rationalizing how they build their next batch of EVs, or they will not get even close to the margins they get for the older ICE stuff.
So we know roughly the replacement cost for the battery will be, 50% of the unit's value approx, but does anyone know how much the electric wheel motors will cost to replace when they go bad?
They'll probably be produced like crazy like the OEM parts of a GMC Blazer. The reason the hell cat engine SUVs exist because they have more engines than cars. I honestly wouldn't be upset if they can get the batteries to last a half million miles because that would certainly build up the spare parts market. The batteries aren't one whole unit so once they have enough battery modules the chicken & egg problem would be solved, so they would have the excuse to automate the refurbishment process where the few battery cells that are bad would be pulled out of the modules & replaced with new ones. When I say "cells" I'm referring to giant AA batteries that reside in battery packs. Once they automate the process the battery packs would be split open, and the bad battery cells would be quickly replaced, and then the battery packs would be resealed. I try not to be short sighted like how many manufacture workers saw the writing on the wall for 10+ years but continued to hold out until they were laid off when they had plenty of time to get retrained. For instance many coal power pant workers were working in a facility that the owners weren't really putting the expense in updating the facility until the coal plants shuttered. EVs are the future and we're in the process of updating the grid anyways. You're seeing more support for nuclear power because it's not suicidal for politicians to propose opening up new power plants now that younger generations are becoming more of the voting block. The older NIMBY crowd is dying off so you're even seeing the support for desalinization plants. I'm the kind of guy who hates people who uses past mistakes as an excuse to not solve the current issues. Japan woke up to the fact that the Fukushima power plant was pretty old and it only failed because of a Tsunami that killed tens of thousands of people. So rather than to run away from nuclear power you actually see support for it in Japan, the recent Natural gas price spike probably helps as well.
How are electric cars the future? Here in CA they're trying to outlaw the sale of gas cars by 2035, meanwhile during the recent heatwave there were multiple power outages and people with EV's were asked to not charge them. Yet we're ALL supposed to have EV's. What a joke. P.S. Those plugs in the back of the bed are useless unless you want to drain all your power. They would actually be useful on a gas power engine since it could supply continuous power. EV's are pathetic.
Obviously the grid will need reenforcement. But there is no alternative. EVs are the best solution by far. It will all be worth it. The plugs in the back are great. You clearly have no clue how much energy 100 kWh actually is. An average American home doesn’t even consume a third of that per day.
@@Simon-dm8zv Sorry I live in reality where the grid is already overloaded and unable to power houses, let alone EV vehicles. Gas powered vehicles have been around for over 100 years and they are not going anywhere. The plugs in the back would be great on a gas powered vehicle. You already only have 235 miles in the lightening truck, how long are you going to be able to power something and make it home. You live in la la land. Go ahead and buy your little EV's and go with the new trend. I'll stick to what works and what could drive across the country if I wanted. There is no alternative? EV's are the alternative to gas. So you're solving a problem that doesn't exist. Also, you won't be paying for gas but your electric bill will be much higher!
What are you plugging in to drain the battery that much. You could run an angle grinder for 260 hours, a blender for nearly 150 hours, You could also charge the average cell phone from 0-100 over 3,400 times. There's plenty of low power draw uses for the outlets. If your issue is with the powergrid, take that up with your politicians that haven't invested in their energy infrastructure in decades. There's a reason the US is far behind most first world countries in terms of power grid stability.
And you basically have to replace the "engine" every 10 years? The resale value on EVs will plummet as people figure out they want nothing to do with an EV that still has its original battery. And when battery replacement is $10k plus it really is like replacing the engine every 10 years.
battery replacements on commuter vehicles are around 3k, luxury vehicles with extended range packs are typically around 12k. I've billed out higher estimates on 5 year old f-150's and 2500's than that.
I'd like to see them design a pickup that can haul 30,000 pounds six hundred miles in a day, and charge four times for five minutes. My 25 year old diesel pickup will outlast six of these things, without getting my power shut off.
This is actually closer than you think. The main limitation right now is the battery tech. Newer batteries have already gone through proof of concept to allow recharging rates similar to gas refueling, as well as extending range significantly. We’ll likely see these hitting the market in the next 5-10 years. There are also interesting idea to use super capacitors instead of batteries (as they can be charged and discharged nearly instantly). They don’t hold as much capacity, but with smart designing, you can essentially put quick charge stations at rest stops that can recharge by driving over it. Lol.
In a few years you won’t have batteries that need replacement. The battery on my ‘20 Tesla MS should easily make it to 300,000 miles, for me, long retired, that should be in 50 yrs, I’ll be long gone by then. Ymmv.
Taking a look at the underneath of this truck, I want to imagine a situation where this truck wades through water. I'm seeing a lot of exposed components behind those plates underneath....I dunno...
it would take a hell of a lot more than that, Everything that could be an issue is either potted, sealed & gasketed off or in self-contained waterproof modules. Water ingress should be extremely unlikely
@@sakaraist Understood. It's just that when the Wizard shined the flaslight between the plates, I saw quite a few orange cable connections....so I was just wondering....thanks for the insight
@@sakaraist Exactly. They showed a video from a flood in China with a bunch of Tesla Model 3's driving through water up to the windshield, and the car kept going, no problems at all.
@@redbaron6805 no problems at all for the short bit of footage you saw. How about a few days/weeks after the fact? I'm not saying you're lying or wrong, but I have NO faith or trust in EV's whatsoever. I only have faith in their planned obsolescence, their "green" scam preying on the ignorant, & insuring that people never work on their own cars or own used cars for extended periods of time ever again. I'd really like to be wrong, but I know I'm not.
@@RothBeyondTheGrave So, you have no interest in facts or reality, just your pre conceived notions of conspiracies, "scams", "planned" obsolescence, "faith" etc. In the meantime, EV's are lasting longer than ever, are far more reliable than combustion engine cars, and require far fewer parts and 40% less labor to assemble, while being cheaper to drive. Great scam they got going there. What will those poor people do when they don't have to spend a fortune on car repairs...?
