Teddy Atlas on Tyson Losing to Buster Douglas, Tyson Being "Weak" When Talent Wasn't Enough (Part 9) 

Yeah that sounds like a nice inspirational movie or something but it's all a load of BS... What really happened is Mike partied with hookers all night and he still knocked Douglas out but the ref gave his ass the longest count in history...

Teddy knows how great Mike could have been and I think that's why he still get mad.

Douglas dominated Tyson that night. Controlled the fight until Mike caught him with a solid shot in the 7th or 8th round. He got up in time, bro. Then went back to work, and got Mike a round or two later. Mike managed to get up, but he was rocked. Ref stopped it right there, and he was correct. Mike was reeling. Douglas was heavier than Mike, and showed real heart to come back from the knockdown. Something Tyson could never do. Teddy is spot on with his description of that classic. Tyson is a top-10 heavyweight of all time, but Douglas was better on that night!!!

@@garyspence2128 He did NOT get up in time... that was the longest most fucked up count ive ever seen, the ref wasn't even on the correct count that the ringside official was on... they fucked up, plain and simple.. Idk if it was a setup or not but it was definitely a big fuck up that gets completely overshadowed

2 Boxers that beat up nobodies lol smh

Everyone knows this.

AMEN !

Incorrect

Excuses.

That is absolutely true. About a year ago I was watching Tyson's first fight after he fired Rooney. I didn't know that was his first fight after firing Rooney while watching it but I have watched every Mike Tyson fight a number of times so I know his style before and after Rooney. While I was watching the fight I was thinking "Man Tyson is fighting like crap in this fight, what is wrong with him?" I thought no way is Rooney his trainer the way he is fighting. I rushed online to see what his first fight was after firing Rooney and sure enough that was it. Tyson became slower, just trying to head hunt all the time and it's well known his training discipline went down. Tyson needed a controlling trainer that he trusted to keep him focused on and at his peak level and he was never at his best again after Rooney left. Still good but never at his elite level ever again.

If they woulda had a rematch Tyson woulda destroyed him

Cap dont care what anyone says he got lucky beating tyson

​@@daveyboy_they were scheduled to have a rematch in 2000 but buster pulled out so tyson fought lou savarese instead.

Train hard in the gym and the fight is easy. Kevin Rooney is the X factor. He kept Mike in shape and he reinforced Cus' Dmato's strategy and techniques. He kept Mike sparring as well to maintain Tyson's timing. Tyson abandoned all of that when he fired Kevin Rooney. Bobby Brown said he and Tyson were partying and having wild sex with Japanese women the night before the fight. Tyson had done it before and in his autobiography he said he had a STD and was taking medication when he defeated Berbick & became the youngest heavyweight champ. He said he had improperly trained before and won before so he was confident that he could do it again especially against Buster Douglas. There used to be old video footage of Oliver Mccalll giving Tyson hell in Sparring. He said he told Tyson before the fight that Buster Douglas was going to beat him if he didn't train hard because he knew Buster had talent like Teddy said. I saw Buster Douglas on the undercard of Tyson vs Spinks and he destroyed a fighter named Mike Williams who was the favorite. Buster dropped him with a jab. I remembered him as the flabby boxer with the beatutiful hard jab but I never thought he could defeat Tyson.

@@PR-WAYbuster beats him everytime. Unless he went back to Kevin Rooney. Which dumb Mike didnt do

❤exactly, as simple as that.

Tyson was fighting bums for 97% of his career , who did he fight worth the greatest shouts ?

Teddy is upset at Tyson for not winning fights that he should have won if he just kept with the damoto teachings As soon as rooney was gone it was down hill from there. Criminal corner men gd latex glove ice pack that sht would not fly today. Iron mike is one of one just like the other greats Love or hate em you still got to respect the mark he made in the sport of boxing and also in life.

​@joshuakithyoma9575 "Most people don't know shit about boxing" Roger Mayweather

@@user-zy6cg8gx5v I agree totally. you can hear it in his voice. I myself believe that if Tyson would have stuck with Kevin Rooney, I believe that he would be in the conversation with Ali about who is the greatest.

❤Precisely well said and well OBSERVED.

Yes even though I felt bad for Tyson, that knock out was well deserved.

Crazy story, my birthday was centered around that fight and everyone was totally shocked. Everyone kept saying what happened 😂

"His truth" what HE believes you mean

His truth. Just because he's white doesn't make it truth. He's human, he has animosity towards Mike. It's ok

❤Precisely well said and well OBSERVED.

@@petergreen5337 I wouldn't say it was well said. Read it again.

Dogg.....LARRY HOLMES TOOK HIM 6 ROUNDS......LARRY OLD ASS HOLMES....But nobody wants to talk about that because Mike won....Prime Larry would have fckd Mike up....BAD.

He couldn't beat any of the top heavyweights in his era.

@@joedimaggio3687 exactly..he was a freak of nature but his lack of discipline is why he could never be an all time great to me. Not in my top 5

@hmosesmamulu6491 Tyson, being a smaller, heavyweight, had trouble with taller guys. He ducked guys such as Riddick Bowe, George Foreman, Ray Mercer, and David Tua, all of whom I think would have beaten Tyson. However, Tyson did have chrisma with many fans and so was overhyped.

​@@joedimaggio3687ibeabuchi too. He would've gave him a long night. He was supposed to fight Tommy Morrison but that didn't happen. And I really wanted to see him fight Tua. 90% of Tyson's fighters lost before they got in the ring. The fighters who weren't scared of him beat him. Douglas, holyfield and Lewis. Shit holyfield bullied him. I love Tyson and happy hes still alive but all time great? Nope. Can't give him that.

if you consider mike tyson to have wisdom you cant be that bright. He cant even own up his own rape charge still

I agree

Excuses

Interesting. It was announced in the middle of the dunk contest?

@@michaelrobinson540 yep, flashed across the scoreboard in middle of the contest. You’d have thought a head of state had just been assassinated.

I think it's clear from Mike's Career and life outside of the ring that there's definitely mental weakness there. What you (and Mike) are saying is definitely apart of it but I think Teddy is also right

Its 20

Tysons career is nothing but reasons and excuses why this or that happened. He’s the biggest victim in boxing while at the same time he’s iron Mike and kid dynamite like come on be a man Mikey. All that shit sounds different when your grown and see ZERO excuses made for other boxers

​@@alrightythen1466 HE ducked ALOTTA people man...and that's no hate, Mitch Green took him the distance...why? NO FEAR AND HE COULD FIGHT.....Atlas is 1000% correct....

@@Incredible_Geez Who TF did he duck?? Come one come All. He wanted anyone with the belt. And as for Mitch, he wanted to punish him. I see most people don't know shit about boxing(Roger Mayweather voice) 😂

I'm not sure everything is in absolutes. He overcame Ruddock, who in both fights was spending the bulk of the time getting his butt kicked, with it looking better because other than the Douglas fight, we were just used to straight domination. He landed a few good shots while never looking the part of an eventual winner. I'll grant you it shows Tyson wasn't a sheer frontrunner. But for right or wrong, boxing greatness at its highest level needs to come with that little X-factor that shows a fighter winning a fight against another great fighter, winning when it looked like he was gonna lose, or winning as an underdog--things he never did.

Tyson and Ruddock were trying to KILL each other! Two great fights between them.

Yeah but let's not skip over the fact that Rudduck was giving it back to him...and that 1st fight was a bullshit stoppage by Richard Steele....

: / YEAHH, AND TYSON LOST TO RIDDICK BOTH TIMES!

"Call me a hater, tell you I'm not" !

Straight up sounds like a hater to the core, he sounds happy Mike lost lol

100 💯...he does....so he lies sometimes....Tyson just wasn't training...period.

He’s not he’s just blunt and Tyson would agree with him because Mike himself said he was coasting and wasn’t training

lol just for being honest it’s “ hate”

Plenty of guys fought back against Tyson. Berbick fought him. Ruddock fought him. Tucker fought him. Not accurate to say that Tyson lost to all the guys who stood up to him. No way!

@@AnthonyJ74 None of those guys were Holyfield or Douglas. Tyson never beat the guys that beat him.

​@@LiquidScorpion, true, but Ruddock certainly was a fight. Tyson didn't have it his way against him at all...

I don't think he's hating either that's just his honest assessment

@@houndawgSounds like hes singeling Mike out

@@PR-WAY what? did we watch the same thing? He talked way more shit about Buster Douglas here than he did of Tyson. “Douglas was great for that one fight, never before never after” re-iterated in different ways multiple times? I didnt hear him saying that about Tyson....

@@joojoobawHe said Mikes 6 loses a the only fights he had his whole career lol.

​@@PR-WAYTRUTH THO....

Muhammad Ali for example would not have gone down the way Tyson did in that fight, even if Ali did not "train hard and was way over confident". This is the difference between Tyson and other GOATs. Ali would have never gone down the way Tyson did against Holyfield. This is Atlas's point.

Absolutely agree everything Atlas says is true but most of all Tyson was over confident and didn’t prepare.

Ted arguments are FACT BASED. His conclusions are well understood by experts of the time .

We have to put thigns into perspective. Tyson was not only fighting his opponent but also himself for the majority of his career. if Tyson would of kept that same disicpline he under under Cus, Tyson would of been UNSTOPPABLE

@@ransizzles That's what people don't get. The lapse in discipline is what Teddy's talking about. Not just physical but mainly mental. That consistent work ethic and maintaining the principles Cus had Teddy trying to instill in him was always what he saw Mike having issues with and he saw it coming before anyone else did.....

I've been following boxing and mma for 30 years and I rate Tyson most overrated fighter ever. He really did fight all bums

douglas was not a bum tho

Tyson was fighting bums? How are you not a casual when you think Razor Ruddock and Trevor Berbick were bums?

@@remnantsaved144 Douglas was a bum you didn't know who TF he was before tyson

@@tari8134 Trevor berbick was a bum he lost 11 fights & razor ruddock was after Douglas but he wasn't a REAL CHAMPION either. He didn't hold belts for long or had a long standing career. Like the likes of Riddick bowe, holyfield, Lennox lewis, foreman, Klitschko etc... everybody in the 80's & 90's who Tyson was knocking out was bums PERIOD. & YOU THE CASUAL IF YOU DONT SEE THAT. you talking like a Tyson groupie & I like Tyson but I know he was fighting bums all them dudes came in the ring scared & was running berbick bum ass was flopping all over the ring in fear

And still damn near lost the fight

This was the real reason Tyson lost that fight !

Exactly, Mike was on a cocaine/alcohol hangover and not in shape but Buster came in ready

My Dad and I were watching too. My Mom was going to work and said don't be surprised if Tysons loses she was right lol

Mikes a mental case with problems 😂😂

This is not about Teddy it’s about Tyson.

@@vantheman1238 Teddy is being interviewed. It's about Teddy. They're just gossiping about Mike because he has no story otherwise.

Threats to someone’s 12 year old niece, cmon bro Tyson was a scummy person. Teddy was right to do that

@@user-ku5hs3ji8k call police 🚔

Just say you didn’t watch Tyson. A lot of guys didn’t quit and a lot of guys put up good fights with him and fell short. Does this apply to Pac-Man Loma? Canelo? And every fighter that has lost?

No one truely beat Mike Tyson in my opinion

@@el8233 All those guys were much older by then. Mike was 23 when he lost to Douglas. Nowhere near his prime physically.

All facts

Tyson was always mentally weak and had stamina issues, once everyone figured out take him past 5 rounds and he’s done it was over for him

He fought a ton of cans

It is kind of a circular argument. Like it's holding it against Tyson that he's good enough to just wipe out good fighters without any problems. And a lot of the reason they didn't offer resistance was because of how good Tyson was. But there are no fighters who are put on the absolute top shelf who failed to deliver in just about every competitive spot they were in and historically, you can't not count that against him.

@@NutsakZack Get off my post with that name and nonsense.

​@@bennylevine387It's crazy to assume that just because6wins a fight, it means he wasn't challenge. I understand the counter argument. But for somebody to be the champion for years and to knock all of those big guys out, that argument cannot apply to such a great fighter. What Teddy says does apply to different sports and life situations but not when it comes to a boxing champion of that stature. If Tyson knocks out a guy twice his size in a matter of seconds, that means that Tyson challenged himself and overcame the challenge tremendously. If it's so easy then why haven't everybody done what Tyson has done???????? Get out of here Jealous Teddy your crazy self. Had a good life and messed it up misfit

Foreal

I think prime Foreman would have been an issue for Tyson, but the old Foreman that fought when Tyson was fighting would have been a victory for Tyson.

Nah Tyson woulda droped all of them to people only beat him on his way down in my opinion

@@michaelloughrie5519 It's a 3-4 round fight in 1974 or 1987. 1974 Foreman by KO 1987-1992 Foreman by KO. Not only that but I don't call 1970-1974 Foreman prime. Big George became a much more relaxed fighter after he returned from a 10 year hiatus. But against Tyson it's Foreman by KO regardless of which version gets in the ring. BTW- Buster Douglas performance against Tyson was likely the best performance by anyone in a heavyweight title fight. Buster boxed on a dime that night.

@@PR-WAY Tyson lost to Douglas when he was 23 years old so he was in decline? Buster Douglas beats Tyson 7 days a week and twice on Sundays. Big George Foreman beats him 7 days per week and twice on Sundays. Styles make fights and Tyson was made for Big George.

Before Tyson fought Douglas he beat fighters that was on Douglas level. He even beat fighters that beat buster Douglas like Lou Savarese and Tony Tucker. Tyson became over confident which resulted in him not training properly for the Douglas fight.

Agree, I thought the razor ruddock fights were competitive.

@@rahowherox1177 I agree...Also tony tucker,,tony tubbs,,and Mitch Green were competitive...Also,,holyfield ducked Mike tyson for years when Mike was with cust'dmato,,he waited until Mike started using drugs and alcohol,,partying,,living loose and wild,,abandoned cust'dmato,,abandoned his focus and training,,etc....and then decided to fight him...In fact,,it was clearly obvious in the buster douglass fight,,that it was not the same vicious aggressive Mike tyson in the ring,,but a slower watered down non-aggressive non-vicious version....In fact,,this is a prime example of what drugs,,alcohol,,non training,,non focus,,and loose living will do...In fact,,whenever someone abandons the ones who took them in from homelessness,,moved that person into there house to live,,and turned them into the heavyweight champion of the world,,then karma will definitely punish that individual that does such a betrayful ungrateful heartless act...Thx for commenting

Tyson is a Rapist, fact.

What are you on about 😂

I'd be offended at myself if I ever held someone as an "icon" while at the same time put aside the sheer fact that same person was also a convicted Rapist.

You gotta give Buster his props for that fight. That being said It was long count

Notice how none of these comments mention that LONG count Buster Douglas had - I'm so glad at least ONE boxing fan knows they shit !!!! Thank you !!

​@@garywigz6310Stop it....and maybe if Mike could control himself around 11YEAR OLDS maybe Teddy wouldn't have the animosity.....

@@Incredible_Geez I’m not sure what you mean - we are talking about the buster douglas fight not Mike’s entire life span from birth to world champ - that’s not the conversation- it’s about THAT FIGHT - that moment in boxing history - and if you know your boxing and you watch the fight from the beginning ( not just the knock out ) you will understand my point .

@@garywigz6310 You talking about a long count that Buster had and that's bullshit I've always hated that lame excuse...Mike Tyson got BEAT UP that night by a guy who could fight and just lost his Mother...PERIOD. The whole world saw him looking for his mouth guard on the floor. STOP THE EXCUSES.

That's all it takes. Whether it was the unpreparedness or Douglas bringing it to him the questions are now there to be had of Mike's own doing, no one elses and this is coming from someone that believes Mike to skill-wise be the greatest heavyweight we've ever seen thus far.....

And apparently those Japanese gals sucked all the fluids out of him at hotel the night before the fight 😅 I remember Tyson spoke on that before

Easily but Mike fkd up by being fkd up before geting fkd up

I'm not making an excuse for Tyson, it was his fault- he didn't train well for the fight, sometimes he would blow off training camp, maybe he did this time too.

Tyson got a "long count" as well. There's a RU-vid video side by side comparison.

​@@axel_foley69Buster Douglas long count robbed Tyson . Douglas was even out on his feet when he finally got up . Fight over twice

@@donaldstreaty5259 if Douglas was in such bad shape then why didn't Tyson finish him after that? Tyson got a long count to recover but Douglas was cooking all night and bringing it to Tyson. Btw, did you even know it's not a 10 second count, it's a 10 count.

Facts nuf said

Then they gave him the nonsense rape charge and incompetent attorney

Let’s forget about all the other fights

he tore his mcl against Williams. That's why he didn't get up.

Tyson fans will make any excuse they can for him, he was knocked out 5 times and they all got 5 different excuses.

​@@kevinshell8392 Exactly. Tony Tucker broke his hand against Tyson, Mitch Green was getting high and partying, instead of training before losing to Mike, but no one is making excuses for those fighters

The main reason for these things is Mike Tyson had absolutely no desire to be fighting. He actually hated it at that time and was only doing it for a payday. Now if you took Mike Tyson with a fire in his heart in a passion for boxing, all of these guys would have probably been knocked out. How you feel about what you're doing dictates the outcome and we can all think of examples in our own lives.

Nope

Part of what being great is being disciplined and dealing with life. Every fighter has to do it. People like to give tyson a pass. He was a great fighter, but when you compare him to other greats he's towards the bottom

Still overrated

👍🥊

Yeah, but he never had a rematch with Buster and when he fought the best, he lost.

Tyson ran from Lewis you mean. Paid him 5m step aside money to fight Bruno.

Teddy absolutely does hate Mike Tyson and it stems for his jealousy from the fact that Cus chose Mike over him. It was a great betrayal and Teddy will hold this grudge until he is buried in the ground. It really is this simple, everything else is just noise.

@@michaelscott466 damn that’s cold.