@@2bussy but imagine if you spend some time on this. Your overall muscle memory will improve and your brain will develop many new patterns and memory space
Kadasya i would hope so but most tourneys are ran on ps4 they would have to have a converter which I hope is the case so keyboard players aren’t forced on a different controller
@Seth Wellington i mean, maybe if you were to go to an offline tournament where you have to put it on your knees. but otherwise no. its super easy to do advanced movement inputs.
Why didnt he review the wii fit? I heard its banned in tourney's cause some guy perfect'd Knee three times in a row while doing a light cardio work out.
A better tip in my opinion to play on pad is to use the triggers as multiples, for example: R1 = 1+2 R2 = 3+4 L1 = 1+4 L2 = 2+3 This means you can have fingers on all the buttons ready to go. 1+3 & 2+4 can just be done by you think. And doing 1+2+3+4 means you can just press R1+R2 L1+L2
@@zodiac909Its the default layout for old SNES emulators and have stuck with it since. I can't play keyboard only games if they don't allow rebinding right hand for movement. Funny thing is kb+M games Im totally fine with wasd movement. For Tekken by using the arrow keys you don't have to worry hitting other keys and in fighters its the more important and busy hand therefore it made sense to me Im using my dominant hand for that. I use sdxc for 1234 respectively, and fv for 1+2 and 3+4. A and Z is ki charge/heat (t7/t8) and Rage Art. Ki Charge button for easy chain grab, and I like to use it to find out if theres an extension to a string for unfamiliar characters. The idea is 1234 is the most frequently used buttons, putting "hands" on the top row and "legs" on the bottom row. The other four buttons (1+2, 3+4, ki, RA) is immediately accessible next to the 1234 buttons.
One keyboard / hitbox drawback that wasn't brought up in this video would be the possibinility of simultaneous left + right or up + down. While many games just negate it by interpreting "left + right" as neutral, some games (especially old ones) can read "left + right" simply as "right" which can really fuck up anything involving half circles if you aren't precise enough (ie. hitting "left + down + right" in the middle instead of sliding smoothly from "right + down" into "left + down"). Also, bonus points for the Red Alert 2 OST.
I think you just convinced me to change to keyboard from pad :p my problem with the pad is the constant change in the friction of my thumb. Reliable execution with mishimas are pain in the ass (yess git gud and shizz) but with keyboard I could get rid of that easily and be much more accurate and faster with the movement and dash cancel attacks. Your videos are on point
Use wasd for directional movement, + start - select And numpads or 5th column keys for square, circle, triangle, X I personally use TFGH directional keys, num4=1 num8=2 num5=3 num6=4 num7=L1 num9=R1 num1=L2 num3=R2 num+=start num-=select
On pad you can always try claw grip and then pressing 2 buttons at once is much easier, i've been using claw grip since i got tekken 7 and it has been a huge improvement for me
What got me into TEKKEN, was starting TAG 2. I was using an Arcade FS due to the convenience of it. It was going to be used primarily for SCV, but I never grew comfortable w/ it for that game. Considering I use pad for SC. So I figured, for TEKKEN, the FS would suffice. And ever since then, I’ve grown very comfortable using a FS for TEKKEN. It feels so much more authentic/natural than using a pad. Perhaps I’m just used to the immense sensitivity of buttons/movement that of a FS than pad. As well as it being a game that was primarily for Arcade Cabinets.
man i love the stick. i have reached usurper on negan and josie in only a few hundred games after getting the game! i switched to stick and now im hard stuck green rank! after a week thanks stick! *thumbs up kid smile nod head*
for Controller for preventing blisters i have a very creative Idea for that! for the left pad i use a sleeve finger glove which are used for Mobile gaming to make my movement smooth for the Right pad i use a Bliaards gloves (snooker gloves) to play with for fast inputs like slipping through buttons and tbh i am new to the FGC believe me this technique is really comfortable!
Man I tried using a fight stick I really wanted to. I have been using pad since tekken3 it is so difficult to switch and adjust I feel like my years of experience on the d pad cant be replaced. I find it really easy to hit 3 buttons with bindings.
@@jaishkhan7442 keyboards are OP because you can bind player 2 hotkeys and they make some hard moves easy af. For example I only have like 5 hours in tekken but today I was able to do EWGF 10 times in a row using keyboard because I set the hotkeys up in a certain way
Used to play keyboard for some time in tekken, it's godly. If you want scrubby kbd, you can just bind LS down to space and do bb, space, bb and I believe that hitting the Space and A/D at the same time is not that difficult to get used to. Plus, you can bind every single combination of buttons possible and go for muscle memory. Only iWR may be kind of tricky, at least for me (I have been an FPS gamer for a long time on keyboard yet I feel like iWR is easier on pad).
Nice vid, I was so tired seeing people complaining that they can't kbd or iwr cuz they were on pad and I'm over here kbdashing like a madman. Also the thumb pain (tips of the thumbs not joints) is real af, but after a couple months I don't even get that pain anymore lol
Even though u are actually a better player than me I actually know how to do circle moves on d pad lol. Surprise u can’t do it. It’s not really about speed it’s about making sure your thumb hits the direction correctly as u pick up speed going around.
the hilarious thing is, i started yesterday using controller while i played a lot using keyboard, and before i couldnt even do electrics consistently, even less pewgf. now not only i can do normal electrics, but almost all my electrics are pewgf LOL on the other hand, is hard to do some combos or wavedashing like before, like using sweep or lancer, kinda ironic since is one of the things i use the most. but maybe i need time to soft the controller
I play on stick but ive been interested in buying a hitbox just to try it out. The hitbox is basically an optimized version of the keyboard specifically for fighting games
Yee i really want one too. dont have the $ yet. But Ive heard building your own is way cheaper, just find some good buttons a good box and an old controller.
If you have money, time, and experience in DIY projects then I suggest using switches off a mechanical keyboard rather than Sanwa buttons and/or a stick. Maybe you can create a keyboard with arcade stick circuits inside it, and maybe just have like 12 buttons or so, with the rest of the buttons being dummies to make this weird keyboard arcade stick thing more natural to use but tbh I think you only need a max of like 10 or 12 buttons. That way you can get keyboard style inputs whenever you can go to tournaments and such. I wonder if this will get banned though the moment a tournament player does make my idea a reality lmao
I'm a keyboard player and after so many years I feel like I should play Geese or Akuma but no.....it's damn hard but your video inspired me ...I'm gonna try again😘
went from playing tekken 3 on my RG350 (pad) to tekken 7 on my fightstick and noticed backdash cancelling is much harder on stick. its a lot of weird muscle memories imo. im sure it will feel great once i master it though.
So to sum up. Stick better but takes time to learn :) Awsome, im gonna try the venom one as a budget entry i think. Subbed Mainmanswe ive been watching ALOT of your vids lately lol
anosh khan shafiqmph it depends... I’ve bought two because the first one I got was a bit stiff (the grey colour), but then I bought a black one, and the D-pad is extremely responsive. It just depends on the condition, because these controllers are 20 years old
Gerald Torres there’s a converter called the brooks ps2 to PS4 converter. It’s the only one that does it I think. I actually asked the company before buying it if it would work on a PS1 controller and they said no, but I took the risk and it does work.
Tekken 7 with a keyboard is godlike. You can customize it like a mixbox/crossup. With the analog and the dpad on the right places, ewgf, jfsr, pewgf, backdash, wavedash will be soo easy.
The problem with keyboard it's really hard to do input for a single frame only. When you tap the key input can last 2 or 3 frames (i checked with frame data bot) . So it makes the half circle really easy because after tapping a, the f input is still being buffered for a single frames (d/f) same for the free d/b. But there is a huge draw back to that. If you need a juste frame f * b+2 (JU) it's really hard to have it out in 3 frames. I was wondering if the stick/hitboxs button have the same issue.
I play d-pad on ps4 controller and most people call me odd when i tell them about it but it definitely works well, the problem is entire cricle special moves. It's almost impossible to pull it off so i just avoid characters that have them other than that it's pretty nice
Hey man,great video as usual. I hate to add to the pile of noob questions you're probably used to,but I can't resist lol. When I see a great player like you playing on stick,I can't help but wonder how your stick is modded,or if it is at all. Mainly your tension spring.I've been playing since Tekken 2,but I switched to stick for the Tekken 7 release,and I LOVE it. I tinker with mods,find things I love and hate,but I'd love to maybe even see a video explaining your preference? I'm not saying it'll work for me,but I could use that explanation as a base to mod my stick more towards my preferences,cuz you'd be sort of trouble shooting for us ahead of time,ya know? Knowing WHY you like your stick the way you do would be a big jumpstart for guys just getting into it,like me. Thank you for everything,either way,and good luck at EVO!!!
One thing I do with keyboard for games like mk11 is I bind blocking to shift, it's really easy to block that way, and 1 2 3 4 to the numpads, e to amplify since it's easy to reach too
Im so glad Tekken 7 has Pc version. I've been practicing in a modded tekken 6 (Tekken 7 mod) but weird thing is the controls are inverted E.g movement are right and attack are on left. Cant wait to buy tekken 7
its insane how underutilized analogue sticks are, i remember seeing a dude in tag 2 with sick movement and he told me he used both sticks. snake eyes also used the sticks to do standing/walk up 720s.
can i play on pc with an old logitech usb rumble pad 2 controller? i found no controller support list for pc on internet game is now downloading on steam, hope it works 😱
Keyboard question: Anyone has difficulties with inputs like 1+2, 3+4? On a pad you have to push them more or less at the same time, however, on a keyboard it seems like they have to be pushed nearly perfectly at the same time, otherwise I get 1,2 or sometimes 1~2 input instead of 1+2. Very frustrating. I wonder whether it just needs more practice, or simply I need a better(maybe mechanical?) keyboard
Congratulations on your purchase! It's all about retraining your muscle memory. I had always preferred stick ever since I learned how to consistently throw a fireball in SF2 CE. However, Sega's 6-button pads (Genesis & 2nd gen Saturn) were the best solution when a stick wasn't available. I made the complete switch over to JLF sticks and convex buttons when DC came out. That pad was awful. You could tell who played fighting games because their trigger buttons were either loose or broken!
Max designs I don't know about you guys but when I play at the local arcades, switching from pad/kb to arcade makes you feel like a green rank that's why i bought a fighting stick, my finger movements are nimbler and my wrist has strain resistance, thus bringing joy to my gf as well.
I'm an experienced Tekken player i've been playing since Tekken 5 majority of the time with a pad. Gosh all these years later miss inputs with a pad is still quite common even though i'm experienced. I'm gonna give keyboard a shot as I used to play Mortal Kombat 3 and Street Fighter with keyboard precision was Godlike. Have you tried with an arcade stick?
Well how do u think people play games on pc? Usually when u wanna play a pc game, if u don't have the pad ur forced to play on a keyboard which sometimes can be uncomfortable enough to make u buy a pad. In this case tho, it is really comfortable. I'd say the only real issue, is playing on the opposite side. Cuz with stick or pad u use the same muscle to control both sides while with keyboard ur forced to use different fingers. For an example i'm pretty fast and used to perform electrics on my main side, but on the other side i'm autistic (no offense for real autistics)
I have 2 gamepads and I don't use any for fighting games. I always play fighting games on keyboard, because I'm used to it and it's the most comfortable way to play for me.
@@princekanbatsu2301 I can't think of a single game that can make someone uncomfortable especially if the game is released for PC. Even ports like Final fantasy and other third person games or even racing/football games are way easier with the keyboard+mouse. Pad on the other hand can make your wrists tired really fast. Not to mention the thumbs and finger joints can become sore.
I'd say one of the worst things about getting used to using a stick is how you really can only play properly from your home, in your preferred seating position. Being suddendly forced to use a pad cause someone heard you're really good at Tekken and challenge you is annoying as hell.
I've been playing with keyboard since june 2019 until june 2020 which makes it exactly 1 year, and now I switched to Sony PS2 pad I can tell you that after around 7-10 months of playing, your nerves will start to hurt In the beginning it is overpowered just like TheMainMan said, but later, it just gets worse It gets worse to the point where you can't double tap Back,Back or Forward,Forward so fast anymore, it almost feels like your fingers don't want to listen to you. Now some of you probably won't believe me because people play other games on keyboard But you have to take into consideration that I also play other games on keyboard, some of them are Dota2, CS:GO, RainbowSix Siege But the difference is that in Tekken, movement is so important that you're forced to constantly double tap Back, Back, Up....Back, Back, Up - backdashing with sidestep to one side Back, Back, Down....Back, Back, Down - backdashing with sidestep to other side Forward, Forward, Back....Forward, Forward, Back - dash blocking In other games, let's say i'm peeking a corner to the right in CS:GO, you'll just hold the 'D' button (instead of double tapping it constantly), and when you reach your point where you think you should stop,you'll release 'D' button and you'll just tap 'A' button for opposite side to stop more quickly (without inertion) I'm writing all of this because of carpal tunnel, it's not a good thing and tekken movement combined with keyboard is definitely a way for getting it. Arcade sticks are unbeliveably expensive (200$) so I'd recommend using a pad, something like PS2 pad works perfectly, and can be connected to a PC with an adapter that costs like 1-2$ on AliExpress or Ebay.
It is actually extremely difficult to do Just Frame Inputs and get precise notations on keyboard. Ironically, the keyboard is so fast that it registers two inputs extremely quickly and you end up with 1+2 instead of 1,2. Hwoarang JSFR is almost impossible to do on keyboard. Side stepping cleanly is also extremely difficult. You actually have to literally slow the fork down to play well on keyboard and require very good timing.
I wonder if keeping the controller plugged in reduces input lag? I know Smash Players use the GC controller not just because it's better but also because Wired has ZERO latency.
An easy way to get over the multiple input problem on pad is to map the inputs to the trigger buttons (E.G. instead of trying to press X and O at the same time, just map it to R2 easy peasy)
Hit box is fucking amazing on tekken But... difficult motions for hitbox imo is instant air dragon punch motions and while facing left it’s incredibly difficult given your pinky is doing alotta work very quickly. Also double haduken motions are weird giving you have to learn how to piano with your left hand and if your a righty it’s hard and while facing left once again that pinky is gonna need muscle milk. Also rolling motions above a half circle is hard giving how you have to memorize the timing of your piano to get the diagonal motions and naturally one finger is stronger than the rest so you will have to force yourself to slow down and facing left will always be your weak side and things come out slower due to the pinky picking up so much work. But I usually play anime fighters on pad so the movement is quick and alotta instant air techniques require you to roll your movements without second guessing or taking your time and being able to reverse the input whilst instant air dashing behind your opponent which make for a very very difficult motion on hitbox. So it all depends on the game IMO for tekken it’s godlike but on anime fighters it really depends on how strict the engine is with input shortcuts because holding a button while pressing another one while waiting for the next one to be pressed to get that diagonal motion is worst than just rolling past it with a pad or stick having to wait for that brief moment to piano off your button instead of rolling it takes a lot to get used to and facing left is torturous and painful for pinky’s.
Im a casual Tekken player and I noticed other players online, sometimes ducking extremely quickly. I dont get it myself with a Pad that quickly but then Ive tried it with keyboard and its working very well.
Pretty ironic there was a local tournment here in my neighborhood and a guy using a keyboard faced againts a guy using stick.The keyboard guy used steve and the other paul.Pretty surprised the keyboard dude won
I hear there are some decent $50 ones on amazon.www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B014KXMEW4/ref=mp_s_a_1_1/146-0915863-2712663?ie=UTF8&qid=1516027839&sr=8-1&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&keywords=hori+fightstick+mini&dpPl=1&dpID=41f8NpX1B4L&ref=plSrch
www.amazon.com/Qanba-Q1-PS3-Joystick-Fightstick/dp/B00BXPIO1S Cheapest decent stick your really gonna get. I personally have this one and its pretty good and customizable just around $70
I was playing Tekken 7 on my xbox360 controller and i have to say the D-pad on that thing is the most cancerous thing ive ever tried playing fighting games with, was gonna buy an affordable Arcade Stick but i think im gonna give my keyboard a try lol.What you guys think about the 360 controller?Do you feel the same way about it?
Same lmao. I was like 13yo and wanted to play some weird MUGEN and only had a keyboard to play. 7 years after, still loving my keyboard. Would like to try stick and see if it's comfortable but it's too expensive in Brazil :(
well, that's ironic. i've never had any of playstations and I didn't consider it reasonable to buy a gamepad so for the better part of a decade I've played Tekken games on emulators using a keyboard. although playing was quite comfortable I always felt I'm missing a lot. turns out actually not so much
Play Kazuya with pad is difficult. I can use the electrics but wavedash and backdash is very difficult to do this fast. (I'm French so sorry for my English language.)
The Console D-Pad is connected on one slab. If you press down sometimes the action you do, is read as down or down back or down forward. It is never consistent, The same also corresponds to Up, and that is due to The Console D-Pad not all being their own dedicated directional buttons. #LikeAKeyboardD-Pad
I play on pad with the controller on my left knee and I use two fingers for my button inputs the claw method I guess you said. But I can input everything super fast like that. I can also play Inputting with my thumb but the two fingers are better. That's what she said.
