Obligatory tip for a potential switch: Try out new Characters / games to learn while you are learning to use your new peripheral. That way you won't have to deal with the frustration of losing due to your new input device and are less likely to regress to your old one.
@@Godl1ked Funny timing, as I recently got a Hitbox and am applying the exact tip. Although I haven't really played a character yet, only been cruising in short training mode sessions everyday.
I was the opposite, I had to learn with my main bc it was so frustrating trying to learn the character and the controller at the same time. Was much easier for me to learn with my main
For those about to mod their Quanba drone, you’re gonna need an adapter for the stick. And the original lever doesn’t take other gates that I know of. But they definitely don’t let you use sanwa gates on them. And there’s some minor filing you’d have to do to get the sanwa buttons to fit. I’ve had mine for 3-4 years now and it’s still in working condition. Although sometimes my left input doesn’t read. Maybe it’s cause of a button or action I’m doing by mistake before I put my game in.
I will always use an arcade stick, no matter what "technically better" input methods will arrive because it's the most interactive and enjoyable and ergonomic experience for me and i get an arcade experience at home. And i like that there is a learning curve because every month and year i feel like i'm advancing.
I was close in convert to the dark side and buy a hitbox lol. Then I came to my senses. Arcade sticks is what made me fall in love with fighting games. To play on a keyboard like controller will suck the soul out of it for me. The little bit of advantage it may have still isn't worth it.
@@whysosrs5534 There are downsides to hit boxes too. And pros seem to do really well with joysticks against hit boxes so i don't think there's any definitive proof that they are superior or that it's a great option for most players. Book just beat Super Akouma in an Akuma mirror match and joystick vs hit box, and most tournament winners are stick players.
@@epicon6 It def doesn't matter at the highest level because the pros have already mastered it. It does effect those of us who aren't at that level. I get salty when my korean backdash is still struggling but these hitbox kids master it in a month lol. Also charge characters in street fighter do well with it too.
I remember starting playing DOA5 in PC with the laptop keyboard, this how I found out that non-mechanical keyboards have a cap max of 3~4 simultaneous key presses.
@@paklekj4429 Most mid - low end laptops had a horrible keyboard. Even a Logitech GK110 rubber dome junk is way better than those flat a5s laptop keys. But for fighting games, general mechanical keyboards travel distance could be a disadvantage. Especially those with clicky switches.
Holy shit, I just bumped on your channel today because I was starting to get into Tekken (after a few hours in SF4), so as a noob in the fighting games universe (I probably have less than 500 hours TOTAL in fighting games at all) I'm finding your content very fun to watch and super understandable. Thanks for the videos!
Thanks for the upload Zug! You didn't mention it, but I'm curious of your opinion on gamepad thumbsticks? I would say they are the go to option (at least for me) if I needed to do 360 motions--360s on pad is quite tough.
Well, as a German, the replaceable parts of arcade sticks...part of the video is a double edged sword since we have to import the parts, which turns 25$ levers into 60$ levers, the price of a new pad. The few German stores we had are either gone or "under construction". One shop, that is now indefinitely "under construction" with their new web presence, never sent the ordered levers and then told me to never order again because I asked PayPal for a refund after 3 weeks without any replies or notifications lol
Yeah, purchasing "controllers" for fighting games already was a pain in the ass before 2020 here in Germany. I tried to buy a hitbox or mixbox, but people in the stores didn't even know what those are. I gave up eventually and just stick to D-pads now. Whatever.
@@undyingsoul3949 I bought my Mixbox at their online store. It was hella expensive since I also had to pay customs as per usual in Germany but I really like the Mixbox so in the end it was worth it.
I’ve been using a PS1 classic usb controller for all of the fighting games I play on PC. Games like Guilty Gear rev, BlazBlue CF, Melty TL, Soul Caliber 6, Under Night In-Birth, and DNF. As a d-pad player this controller has been a godsend and is incredibly comfortable to hold. I’m sure it isn’t for everyone seeing as it is not a DualShock, but man is it fun to execute Hakumen combos on this thing.
The PS Classic controller really does feels great to use, and I tried a lot of controllers before landing on it. Another great thing about it is how easy it is to open up and mod - you can easily put some tape on the dpad contacts to decrease the sensitivity, or put an adapter in so you can use a detachable cable. If you're a nerd like me, the controller also has less input lag than the DS4 but it's not really noticeable in-game.
I really enjoy your channel, I really hope you continue to make videos because you truly are an amazing FGC content creator! I wish you had more subscribers but I am sure they will come eventually. Keep it up Zug, you're a friggin' champ. also I been playing a lot more Strive than Tekken 7 lately and was wondering if you thought you'd ever make content for that game too?
I've only recently gotten into Tekken and I'm finding movement on a keyboard to be quite simple, but at the same time the keys set for attacks are too small for me, so I misinput a lot. Definitely gonna invest in a mixbox and see how that goes
As a person who plays fighting games on a laptop, I will always choose flat keys over popped out ones, mostly because I play a lot of blazblue and being able to slide your fingers to high jump is much better than to press space bar or click both individually for me
I love the arcade stick feel, but it's so hard to do more aerial stuff like instant air dashes and whatnot. To that end, sinking one or two hundred bucks into a Hitbox seems downright seductive right now. XD
For this part the keyboard comes to save the day for the aerial dash and stuff etc.. as I have said before Keyboard shares the same position as Joystick but joystick is slightly better specially when executing the impossible 360 degree X2 for ex for Zangief for ex ! If it s just the grab command no problem I can do it on keyboard easily but when it comes to Ultra it s pain in the neck
@@edxlee it's gonna change if people don't buy those, vote with your wallet, sticks are now at decent prices and you can even get them cheaper by building them yourself with prebuilt part apparently without even needing to solder. Hitbox just being regular sticks with 4 buttons instead of the stick they shouldn't even be less expensive
Been using an original PS2 dual shock with a USB adapter on PC for Tekken 7. Its way better than PS3 controller or PS4 due to the solid trigger buttons which makes dual button binds feel alot better to press. Its a well built controller. Hasnt went out on me yet.
@@MerlautZone specifically R2 and L2 are triggers instead of buttons on the DS3 and they really benefit from trigger grips bc by default they're really slippery, thankfully DS3 trigger grips aren't all that hard on online shopping sites
@@seanyoung9014 are u getting any latency issues? I have usb adapter but i have a bad experience in it, i want to buy usb ps2 but i think the rip off will have some latency issues
I have a hori fighting commander because I thought it was gonna be easier and better for me to play on it. And I can say it is fun and it looks cool, but throughout my life I was almost exclusively playing on pc and keyboard, so I went back to keyboard and it's much better and easier for me My friend also bought a fight stick and now he doesn't play on it, so remember everyone, play with whatever is comfortable for you
Some objective determinations of "inferior controllers" can be made. 1. HitBox > MixBox. The only reason MixBox is even "on our radars" is successful marketing to the Tekken community. - WASD layout for fgs is a mistake because you're missing out on the significant advantage of having 1 finger dedicated to each direction. Hell, at least with a Keyboard since you have all those extra buttons you have the option to forgo the WASD layout and copy the HitBox layout lol - the big spaced arcade-y buttons of the HitBox allow for advanced tech such as skipping inputs, sliding, double-tapping etc. ON YOUR LEFT HAND 2. mechanical keyboard > membrane keyboard. Simultaneous buttons are common, avoid ghosting. 3. Cross|Up > Arcade Stick. It's just a direct improvement so... easy win lol
In getting something like one of those "monstrosities"! 😂 mine is gonna have a lever WITH Mixbox style or WASD style buttons! Just taking a while to get all the parts to build it. Cuz I'm thinking I'll put it together myself, but I ain't got the tools to make custom cutouts in metal and plastic and such. I wanna use a ps4 board or something that will lemme put a touch pad on the stick as well. I find the training mode applications really useful. Instead of going in a menu to reset training mode, you simply click an area of the pad which corresponds to a screen area and switch sides with up + touch pad. Anyhoo, just saying, I'm with you on the arcade stick. I'll never play fighting games on anything else. But the advantages for HitBox and Mixbox style controls is UNDENIABLE. Movement is SOOOOO fluid and good once you get used to it, especially coming from a stick. I still find inputs to be easier on stick, but that's a me thing, pilot error, if you will. Still can't do 720° on the Mixbox, like at all, FOREVER. But really yeah, use whatever is most comfortable for you to play the game! The main thing is YOU'RE PLAYING! i play on stick because it's how I was trained. I go ALL THE WAY BACK to the stone age arcade, where controller options were whatever the d3vs put in the game cabinet. You either learned arcade stick, or waited for the home port. Then if you wait the game may NEVER come to ANY home console, or something out of your reach, like the classic Neo Geo AVS. Though it did come with 2 high grade sticks!.
As far as a nice responsive clicky d pad the xbox one remote takes it for me, also if I'm not mistaken on the definition of piano rolling can't you just plant your thumb in the center of the controller buttons and like roll it around? Maybe I just have a big thumb I mean I play tekken and can ki charge with my thumb
But I got a question. For instance, I wanted to play Guilty Gear Strive, yet I'm a leftie so my directional buttons are my arrow keys and my left hand is full of action buttons. Should I stick with a keyboard or go for a leftie arcade stick?
I went from ps3 to xbox one and the buttons on xbox feel so much better when playing Tekken because they're round with no edges like the PS controller. It's very smooth as you can push a button inwards from the centre or at any angle and still get a solid input. Also your fingers don't slide/slip across the button as much. I want a ps5 but I wanna use my xbox one controller forever when it comes to first person shooters and Tekken
Ive actually had a lot of success with the series s/x controller dpad because of the corners having a little segment that lets you press two directions without stressing your thumb too much, especially with tekken 7 and 8 for low blocks
Got an Xbox series X controller just to play fighting games on my computer but the dpad hurts like hell after extended use, especially on characters who have to frequently use half circles like Goldlewis in Strive. So now I've been looking at reccomended Fight Sticks I should get instead
I'm know I'm a little late but still If you want a more traditional-ish dpad, while still keeping the Xbox controller button layout, I'd recommend you the 8bitdo ultimate controller The dpad is inspired on the older Nintendo key buttons, the R/L buttons are inspired on the PS4 ones, it had two customizable extra buttons on the back, it is durable, has way more customization than the normal Xbox controller, it's a little bit cheaper and compatible with XONE, series and PC They acquired the licensed from Microsoft, and they also made controllers for switch which are awesome, so no need to be afraid of buying a lackluster product, the only downfall would be that it's wired if you don't like that There should be some reviews on English on RU-vid, check it out someday
I use keyboard, movement on the right and buttons on left. i find it much easier to have multiple fingers to do motions, unlike a d-pad on a controller, and I personally find inputs done with a joystick to he sluggish and awkward.
Plus if you are playing older fighting games with less lenient inputs you won't even be able to get out a 360 consistently, while those motions are much easier on some kind of stick.
The rubbers are the most common issue for ds4 and you can manually change them easily just paying 6 euros for new ones. You don't have to buy a new one.
bakc in the day when kaillera was hype, keyboard was my way to go cuase obviously all i had. i never realised tho i was usuing backwards controls using arrow keys on the left and binding top six keys on the left. but i fuckign killed it on the neo geo roms
Just got my fight stick last week, and can say without a shadow of a doubt it gives you an advantage. Fighting games that are super directional input based are so much easier. I’m hitting electrics almost 95% of the time. Compared to when I was on controller I could barely hit any of Kazuyas electrics. So glad I spent the money on a Hori.
As i grow older, my thumbs hurts when i play on a gamepad/dpad for longer period of time. So now i keep switching between arcade stick and mini hitbox.
Question (I don't know much about this stuff so): Wouldn't a good keyboard for example one with optical switches be more advantageous than a hitbox? I wanna get more in fighting games but I don't really know what controller to use, I've never really been fan of a D-Pad and I have a cheap fight stick at home that works well enough imo but I've seen all this talk about a hitbox. To me it looks like everything you can do on there could be replicated using a keyboard (or even improved as I said with optical switches and stuff) so would it be smart to swap over to keyboard for fighting games? My main thing for asking this is becasue a hitbox is pretty expensive and it only really serves one purpose and that's to play fighting games. It's far from my main video game type but I do wanna get better at them so.
Yes, you can use a keyboard to basically get a poor man's hitbox, as long as it has n-key rollover (allowing multiple button presses to register simultaneously). The only real downside is that it's easier to lose your finger placement. The suggested layout is ASD+space for directionals, and UIOJKL or similar for the normals, so you can use either thumb on space for up inputs.
This may actually sound dumb, but "mac style keyboard" (like one I have one my laptop) are pretty good for fighting games. Due to short travel distance, half-circle inputs become easy to do by just sliding one of your fingers across a-s-d, which is not possible on normal boards
Why would you slide when you can have one finger on each direction and be faster ? It doesn't really make sense to me. We do that on dpads because it's the only way.
I had hand pain for a long time using pad. I switched to stick like 3 days ago and my hand and arm pain/cramps are almost completely gone. I think it’s because you have to grip a controller but with sticks or other box controllers you can let your fingers relax. People also have different hand sizes and shapes, so some people might like certain controllers but I’ve always found the ps4 controller to be too small for my hands
This is why I bought my arcade stick in 2017. Loved fighting games but despised the dpad hand pain and I found stick immediately intuitive and comfortable. Has taken years to get good, however.
I find this a very interesting topic because the worst problem i get with pad is that my left thumb gets sore from doing motions after 2-3 hours. Rather than gripping my controller i cup each side with my palms so my fingers can rest. IMO the Xbox Series X/S pad is the best stock option right now, i could never get used to motions on a PS pad. Also i don't have much of a problem hitting two face buttons at once, three or more needs some mapping though.
i have a friend that switched to a different pc, and before they got a bluetooth adapter for their controller they played guilty gear with a mac keyboard o7
I prefer a controller but specifically the xbox style of controllers since the dpad is connected and not all separate buttons like on playstation. It makes it way easier for me to do things like z inputs just by rolling my thumb over the dpad instead of hitting separate buttons especially with the xbox elite controllers circular dpad.
PS3 is still has the best fighting controllers, the d-pad separation, key stability with the flat and responsive buttons on the right is hard to beat. Xbox one d-pads are unstable with quarter circle inputs and the right side keys have too much travel and profile while the buttons are to close to each other. Respect to those who use 4 separate keys for directional inputs, it's challenging and tedious to learn the quarter circles with keyboards.
I only stick to MK, Tekken, Dbz games and occasional side scrollers because I stay using a controller. The d pad makes the most sense to me but when analog sticks want you to do S motions or half circle shapes in fractions of a second during a fight I lose all sense of control. Those stick motions do too much most of the time
Not all keyboards read multiple button inputs if you don't do key binds. Did my testing and it shows that keyboards are sensitive to where the binds are placed due to how they are wired on the board.
hi Dear, thanks for the feedback just question about Hori FC OCTA. D-pad VS shoulder buttons if I map the shoulder buttons to directions like front or back what will happen if you press back+forward with shoulder buttons = forward or neutral ? also with D-pad back and then with shoulder Button forward = forward or Neutral ? please note: when i mean hold back without letting go and then press forward = you get what = neutral or forward ? your feedback is most appreciated
Hand pain is the reason I got into stick as well. TLDR it's worth getting into sticks if you can get your hands on a decent one. Full story below XD When I was younger playing fighting games on pad made my fingers hurt after a while which led to miss inputs, losses and eventual frustration. Coming back to Tekken on PC I tried keyboard and although my fingers didn't hurt and the inputs were easy as fuck, after 1-2 hours of play my left hand would get numb and unresponsive. It was then when I thought to try arcade stick but finding good vfm beginner sticks was a pain, mostly cause these were in the US and I'm EU and shipping and customs meant 70$ stick (like mayflash 500) would cost me 130+€. And then a miracle happened. I found the old Razer Panthera MVC edition on sale in an online store in my country during the first covid lockdown. It still cost me like 135€ but I purchased a fight stick that costs 240+€ even today for about half the price. It took me about a month to get used to it but I'm glad I made the change cause I haven't looked back since. Now I can't play fighting games properly on anything other than stick. I recently switched to a seimitsu ls40 lever combined with bat top which actually feels faster and more precise due to shorter throw distance, more pressure required to activate meaning less accidental directional inputs and the bat top offering more control imo.
I used mecha keyboard, and using mod for switch, like lubing, change the spring. I did fighting game using keyboard from emulator mame, till now i cant use gamepad and arcade stick. Using pbt keycap, more rough keycaps.
I find this is my main problem when trying to get new fighting games as my main consoles are the Switch and PC. The switch doesn’t run third party games well, and it’s a pain connecting a PS4 to my computer and I personally struggle to play fighting games on a PC (the only one I got was KOF XV for reference.) I do find a keyboard is better for strategy games and Shooting games.
Just got my first arcade stick today. It feels the same as when you play on someone elses machine and they have their sensitivity jacked up. Disagree with stick being worse than d pad for instant while running in tekken. I can instant shining wizard in peoples face way more consistently with it. Was hoping for some insight on acclimating faster but i guess its just like learning to walk again.
I like Playstation pad for my fighting games. But since Capcom has implemented these new "shortcuts" in their games, it doesn't matter anymore, every single controller doesn't work properly anymore. Before that the simple idea of a hitbox was unthinkable. Now it's just necessary if you want that the game doesn't perform random specials every time.
I have an old PS3 V3 Hori (has 6 big buttons; nowadays they have 8)... PS4 works with it, fine; but the auto shutoff doesn't see it and the Playstation button on it doesn't work with the PS4. So I have to keep a regular controller near by and flick an analog stick every 30 mintues or so. So the PS4 doens't shut down. Have no clue if it'll work on a PS5, though. Thing is about 15 years old I guess... Changed the gate when I got it from a 4 to an 8. Still listed on Amazon as discontiued... think it was like 60 bucks or something. The gate was like 5 bucks. So yeah... cheap... but still going.
The moment i started playing fighting games i got fight stick, however long ill play those games, wtick will be my go to, aint no fun in leverless or pad
So I just got into Tekken 7, played Tekken 2 as a kid but that's it. Of course I bought a HitBox right away because it seemed optimal, I've been practicing my ass off with 1 champ and learning as much as I can. I find it funny that that as a 1st dan I'm beating light blue and green ranks 3-0, I think the controller really does make a huge difference especially if you pick it up right away. Maybe because I've got into the game and didn't just start playing but put 20 hours into learning about a character before even picking it up.
Seconding what you said about fightsticks and (lack of) hand pain. I have incredibly weak wrists as a result of decades of drawing with a bad grip/form and I can only play high input games on a pad or a mouse for maybe an hour max before it becomes unbearable, but I can go for hours and hours with a stick because using my fingers for buttons and forearm for the level puts a lot less strain on my wrists. I haven't tried a hitbox yet but I would assume it'd be the same case for that
I have pretty bad arthritis, so 100% actually need the most ergonomic option and ended up with a hitbox style controller as I found it to be vastly superior to both arcade sticks and pads. It limits the motion of both your fingers and wrist the most, as well as keeps your wrists at a natural angle (especially if you hover above the buttons instead of resting your wrist on the controller)
I've been playing games with keyboard but now I'm trying to perfect my self with controller on my xbox but when it comes to kof I just can't play it with controller
Man nice stuff! Laughed hard at some footage. For anyone planning to (or playing) any fighting game (specially Tekken 7) that thinks you need hundreds of dollars controllers, listen up, there's a handicapped pro player (guy have literally 2 fingers in one hand) that destroys on a PlayStation DualShock 4, so there's really no excuse! I do own a $300 Korean arcade lever because I ❤️ it and can't stand pads, but I used to play Tekken 2-3 massively os PS1 joystick, hated when losing due to miss inputs and I knew it was all because of the controller, being a 80's kid spending quarters in the arcades made me develop the love/appreciation for a good lever stick.
They do if you get used to them. Just keep in mind it has the same appeal and time investment like learning a musical instrument... the plus side is it's probably the most viscerally enjoyable input method.
I use keyboard for play. But I move with the arrows. I growed playing emulators in an old PC, so i feeled More Easy do input motions with the right hand
When the government handed me a check I figured I'd stimulate the fuck out of the economy and got a Victrix Pro FS (you're welcome America). It's made of aircraft grade aluminum so it's built like a fucking tank but not nearly as heavy as other "big" sticks, it is the most ergonomical controller of any kind I've ever played (the extra room for your wrists and the angle means no pain), and everything about it screams quality. I might eventually have to replace a button or lever but beyond that it is a one and done purchase. Now, it IS expensive; it's like buying a Lamborghini where you aren't just buying a car to get from point A to B, you want something built for performance out of the box that is sleek and you are flexing on motherfuckers for just owning one. However, combine the cost of a cheap entry level stick and then add that to the cost of a high quality one, and you are better off just buying it from the start.
I broke 3 dualshocks 4 playing tekken, the dpad shit the bed, then face buttons go awry next. I'm playing on a keyboard since that and let me tell you, half circle motions are HARD AF for me. Maybe that's a personal thing, but I can do consistent half circles on dpad all day. On keyboard it's much much more difficult.
One thing 90% of players forget is the Xbox One D-pad, it has enough precision to one frame Link a dp into another dp on kof 13 mid combo. All motion inputs like 236, 214, and even 632146 can be done instantly and frame perfect as well as one frame linking charge move (which I will admit is really tough but not impossible as I have done it). I personally use an adapter to play on PS4 because PS4 D-pad is something I hate, I can't input as remotely as fast. I believe the only thing better than Xbox One D-pad is a Hitbox controller, the Mixbox isn't great for airdashers in my opinion but to each there own. Oh, and it doesn't get mushy either, it's all clicks. It actually takes alot to mush it, like charge moves (if ur not gentle).
as a casual player i actually struggled way more with the xbox controller because of that, i guess it was cause I wasnt that good at the inputs so it detected the extra inputs and messed up the "real input", that doesnt happen to me with a ps4 controller
@@raven7672 whatever works best for someone is best for them. U do have to develop a callus on the Xbox one controller. I'm only speaking from a facts only perspective every person is different so if u do better with PS4 controller then I would continue to use it, that's what I would do, I own a hitbox and I still haven't switched because I'm just better on pad even if hitbox is technically better than Xbox d-pad. Use what works best for u because other even better controllers will hold someone back, that's what really important.
