The Korean Backdash 

Lmao I was so interesting in the dribbling part I completely forgot I was watching a core A video

nom nom nom more core a vidz

I love your videos. I mean freakin Baseketball analogy?? Worth the wait

Thanks for the vid, as a hardcore Tekken player, I didn't get how Korean Backdashing worked, also, can you please do a vid on Mishima Wavedashing?

weird to go into a tangent about dribbling instead of just addressing the fact that they could make that the backdash speed if its intentional

Everyone should practice KDB with Paul Phoenix's theme from Tekken 3 OST.

I actually saw that video.

I loved that video

good to see more speedo fans

That video is hilarious

🤯

"I'm passing the ball...to myself..!" *multiple gasps and anime splitscreens of the entire audience*

Yale writing dribbing ruining basketball is hilarious 😂

@@justinjohnson2855 the fact all of the controversy is actually serious is very funny to me

"i'm passing the ball to myself" indian soap opera editors: "my time has come"

That's excellent. 😂

Emergent gameplay

Knee's RU-vid channel has pretty good content too He recently opened a tournament in South Korea with his own $, did commentary as well as participate. He won haha such a troll

😂😂

Lmao

Yeah its called uncalled travels in the NBA right?

TSkillzX I’m talking about speed boosting in nba 2k playboi.

TSkillzX no, but it is what people who don’t know basketball call a travel.

_ Maza _ you think if WNBA players Korean back dashed better they would get more viewers?

I thought he was going talk about james harden's double "backdash" 🤣

A month? lolz.

@@richcore You needed a year, right?

@@CarbonRollerCaco 15 years actually.

It takes a month to move 6 to remember unsafe moves you need to punish properly, and a lifetime for mastering each character specific counters at high level.

You fool it took me 3 tekken games to learn

exaggerated

@@eavyeavy2864oh

Yoooo I know you

Vietnamese backlash lmaoo

Oh my god, it's GMTK watching Core-A gaming! Nice!

Yooo you should make a video on melee

Pls never make a video on melee, you're too good for that

Yup but your opponent doesn’t like social distancing so they will try punch you, but with expert retreating techniques you could maintain that perfect 6ft distance.

"oh my gosh I haven't seen you in soo long! Have you learned any new skills since the quarantine?" "Yes" *does a 360 and KBD away*

agree

You ever just.....Korean backdash in real life?

and the society is doing wave dash

if they actually let him KBD that'd be sick. But remember that this is also the franchise which got rid of wavedashing AKA the most freeflow fighting game movement option of all time, or at least the most freeflow one I'm aware of

i think he does have auto turn around though

inb4 Sakurai confirms that Kazuya doesn't actually have KBD in smash

He is unfortunately confirmed to have auto turnaround, not KBD, as of earlier today.

@@ultimayashade8920 I’m going to have to hold that fat L.

legit turtle vs hare situation. one team moving fast thanks to dribbling, the other stuck in place having to pass the ball to move. now you got guys like lebron stream rolling to the basket like a freight train. also funny that the rule naismith came up with is still being used, it's just that players are passing to themselves via dribbling.

This sounds like tierzoo material

The whole reason why dribbling was initially frowned upon officially was because the ball was supposed to be stealable from players without needing to get too violent. If they could move around with the ball, that idea could be in jeopardy. Thankfully, dribbling opens up the ball enough that that isn't too much of an issue. And because it allowed that freedom of movement, it made smaller team sizes viable, and now we have five in play per team at once instead of the original nine, which wasn't even a regulation standard initially.

Hey

Ib4 they allow kicking the ball when then update the next basketball rules lmao

Korean backdash before Korea

Harden is doing it spot on

National Backdash Association

More like an American Pass Dash.

What 🤣

Hahahahhahahahahahahahahahahaa

Backwash lmao

@@VelvetVelva vrooo how did I not notice

Well, I can't do this. But I play Kuma anyways so

Same 😂

this is literally me hahah

real

A list of technical skills I’ve acquired in Tekken: • comically slow wavedash • standing block (let go of stick) • I can count to four. Just kidding, I lied about the second one; I always manually block by holding back as hard as I can like a 2D scrub.

There was a time when dunking was prohibited as well.

@@bennymountain1 *screams in Hanamichi Sakuragi*

@@bennymountain1 Cuz of Shaq?

@@Valigarmanda I heard it was because of Kareem Abdul Jabar, who was so tall that he could just gently lift the ball into the hoop.

@@Valigarmanda the 3 sec rule under the basket is literally because of shaq camping under and just overpowering with dunks and rebound, like at the time, he never really do anything other than camping under the basket just waiting for a pass or rebounding the ball

exactly this, the real solution is to make it so that you don't need to master fiddly inputs just to move backwards. Just make it so that you can move at the same speed with normal backdash spam

@@gogogagagugu2134 that's the issue with the FGC is catering to tryhard tournament players and regular casuals. Very difficult to make a game for both.

I was actually worried about that for a second lol

@@CoreAGaming I thought it was until reading this comment, so maybe those fears were well-founded lol

I thought it was real

Lol thanks for bringing it to my attention

It’s not?

AYY ive seen you on globku's super baby 2 breakdown. A member of the FGC community I assume

That's the North Korean backdash.

@@SMRTMinako The Democratic People’s Backdash of North Korea

Backdash onto the rooftops during the 1992 L.A. peaceful protests by performing the roof korean backdash.

Like the irish exit lol.

U don't need tekken 7, tekken it's like fifa, every single game its exactly the same, so if u learned 1 character back then in first tekken and its in any other tekken u're good, same applies to the kbd

@@FewRxi, I'll have to disagree with you there, I've been playing tekken for years and not all tekken games are the same Tekken 6 and tekken 7 have entirely different combo mechanics and if you don't know either, you won't get very far, and tekken 5 has a different way of optimizing combos from both tekken 6 and 7 Not to mention characters get new moves added and removed when new games come out To say that Tekken 1 is the same as tekken 7 is just WRONG.

I agree with you both.

@@FewRxi You know nothing about Tekken, it’s not a yearly release, every title of Tekken is released, a lot of things changed. Fifa or sports games that released every year will either be busted or just still stay the same, just graphically improved or, worse.

@@FewRxi whoa now Tekken don't got a gambling "mechanic" in it .... well i remember when fifa games didn't.... miss those days....

Koreans are the best in tekken for a long time and now going toe to toe with Pakistan

Your friends on the court will not let you be great if you do this. Trust me...

Man i remember ishimaru.

@Anton Marshall I know, i was making a joke lol.

anyone who dribbles isn't *really* playing basketball..

So Netball?

for more of these check past Core-A-Gaming videos :)

@@M4TTYN agree. Sad he doesnt upload anymore

@@skinnyskinny2676 *Pakistani Tekken*

@@Berd-Wasted.its been so long man

join his streams too their hype.

@@M4TTYN sure

Facts lmao, remember the days of fighting games before internet 🤣🤣🤣

Can you imagine though. What if Nintendo embraced Wavedashing and kept it in every iteration of smash since Melee. How much further would the game have evolved competitively if they were for exciting emergent gameplay rather than against it.

@@Gilthwixt1 that would suck so much

@@gusbabiski but why

@@Gilthwixt1 I don’t think that whether a smash game has wavedash or not really contributes to competitive potential. Especially because wavedash allowed for better movement but also complimented Melee’s physics engine. I mean the only reason it even happens is because of Melee’s physics engine I’m pretty sure. It would be weird to have it in Ultimate wouldn’t really feel right. Although you can waveland.

@@Gold_Red52 Wavedashing may be a quirk of the physics engine in Melee, but it doesn't have to be. Rivals of Aether was created with the wavedash in mind as an example, and it feels in my opinion a lot smoother to use than in Melee (which is to say it doesn't seem to break controllers or people's hands). If they smoothed out wavedashing and made it a regular movement option, similar to how games adopted move cancelling after Street Fighter 2 accidentally let you cancel normals into specials, then it could become much more casual friendly like RoA wavedashing already is.

I mean, they changed the walk back animation. It used to be completely useless. Now you can actually get some whiffs with it.

They did remove backdash cancel in Tekken 4 lol. While it was brought back later, games like Tekken 6 and Tekken 7 nerfed movement, so yeah lol.

@@Lukmendes I miss T5 movement

@@bennymountain1 dog what game are you playing? Single backdashing is so bad in T7.

Analyzation

movement isn't just backdash (little compare to old games) it's also sidestep and it's very weak in sense that every moves tracks like hell

I'll be honest I enjoy the visual spectacle that naturally comes with high-level play, and I feel as though Tekken's twitching seizures really does detract from that. I know for those involved in the scene it's par for the course and they don't bat an eye, I understand that there's complex technical depth behind what I'm seeing but it will never not look dumb to me.

@@3rdDanPrime Ye, but that's a T7 problem :( Hope T8 will have stronger movement again and less emphasis on oppressive df1.

It's one of the reason why I hate Tekken. In many fighting games movement is OK as it is. It's effective on its own. In Tekken so advanced techniques are necessary.

@@RanmaruRei movement is the core of Tekken. Its movement should not be, as easy as other fighters. The techniques are not unnecessary, they are just so much more powerful than in other fighters that it makes sense to make them harder to do. Having an easier option is fine (like ladder stepping or qcb), but the advanced techniques should always be better. The only super hard movement techniques are kbd and ss anyway. Maybe wavedash if you have a char with one (Bob, Hwo, Mishimas, etc.). And these aren't even needed until intermediate play.

I still find it hard to believe that there was an entire decade and change where the devs thought that 8-way run was a "problem" to be addressed, so they made it 8-way crawl, instead. Glad they finally got their act together again with SC6. :)

and the korean backdash is literally sophitia’s angelstep but backwards

This is one of the reasons I prefer Soulcalibur over Tekken - because movement is immediately accessible and understood by most players. You aren't locked into constant inputs for efficiency, it's simple because it should be.

@@ThiefofCrystals if you are new to tekken, don't kbd. Instead do backdash, sidestep, backdash. Kbd won't make your footsie better all of sudden. Other things are more important for beginners to learn. Unfortunately that a big problem with tekken, beginners think that learning some advanced things as necessary to play the game at a decent level, and even worse, they go online and get the impression that these things are fundamental and take priority to learning them. Don't be fooled, kbd isn't necessary to learn at the beginning, and you should start learning it when you reach rank 20 online.

​@@mmmk6322 While I do appreciate the advice the sheer fact that you're providing an alternative for movement - a sequence instead of an input - kinda proves my point. This conversation simply wouldn't happen in other fighting games and it frankly shouldn't.

I get that but at the same time, I don't think the in game tutorial can get any better at teaching KBD as how some YT content has done. Especially utilizing KBD in a non-vacuum situation such as blocking and just doing KBD 3 times to get the spacing or until their opponent whiffs. Then you have to have the muscle memory to catch that and land a punish. It is also a concept that everyone TREATS in a vacuum (like many who complain about it) until they get the full grasp of tekken concepts such as spacing and punishment. Without it KBD is just moving backwards with no purpose and that is just as bad.

Not original

@@woozy1885 But true

@@woozy1885 he right tho

I'm genuinely sick of seeing this comment. When saying nothing puts everyone, including yourself, better off, you should not say anything.

@@Poet482 It is pretty tiring at this point.

Then KBD doesn't have the impact that dribbling did on Basketball?

I agree that fighting games shouldn't necessarily be for everyone. However, I also think we should make moves and movement as intuitive and enjoyable to do as possibly can be while upholding the competitive and difficult integrety of the game. And personally, I feel wavedashing and to a degree, KBD shows a direction that the players want the game to move in, but they're also weighed down by being wonky and quirky instead of intuitive purely by being unintended input "exploits" rather than well implemented into the game proper in terms of input. If wavedashing and KBD is better than the current movement option, then imo the current ones should be replaced for those but the inputs should be as intuitive and fitting as the original limited options. Why? Because wavedashing and KBD essentially replaces the former options entirely, because these options are core universal aspects to movement and because you shouldn't be forced to resign to a wonky design quirk to be able to compete, even if some might've come to enjoy it in a niche way or grow the muscle memory for it. What the adoption of KBD tells us is that it's a strong option and possibly also that people prefer fast unlimited backdash to the limited one. So the clear option here is to make that the default option, but imo not to keep it behind complex inputs, especially considering not everyone uses stick.

@@Yous0147 I'm not sure where this argument originated from, but I hear/read it very often. Wavedash does not replace a single cd and bdc does not replace a single backdash, just like how a single jab cannot be replaced by a 122/121/123/124 or whatever string. They all have their own unique purpose(s) as well as pros and cons.

@@Bilal44 Exactly wavedashing leaves you vulnerable/inactionable and while it's incredibly good for microspacing, dash dancing and even walking to an extent is just as important to neutral and spacing.

@@eliastew9636 What? The purpose of wavedashing is to make you move while being able to do any actions. The only drawback is that you lose the invincibility frames. (but you can block/dash if you need to). And while the dribble is a good exemple on why we should keep the dash canceling technique in tekken it doesn't approach the problem people have about it. People doesn't say it should be removed. People say it should be made accessible. To take the example of basket, it's like they kept dribble in games but you have to do the pass input every steps. And with your logic you should ask for it. Because dribble has some drawback (people can take the ball while you dribble) so it's not exactly superior as just putting your foot forward.

them mfs would lose they minds elon gotta pass me a time machine tesla i wanna cross over 1800's mf's real quick 😂

Except I think they kind of miss many arguments against it by using basketball, a game that evolved to accept dribbling to the point it's now legal to bounce the ball in place. If Tekken followed basketball then they would draw it into a core element of the game rather than keep it as an esoteric input, it's not as if the skill ceiling wouldn't still be high enough.

It's impossible to produce a good analogy for this outside of video games. The core problem is that it's a weird, difficult button input that should just be part of the regular control scheme. In real sports you can't just update the controls.

It's weird that I just saw your name now on reddit too lol Here - www.reddit.com/r/Fighters/comments/ea4k9b/street_fighter_v_or_tekken_7/?

​@@RockLoi You cant make a perfectly direct analogy of video games to sports. Actions performed in sports require a ruleset and refs to restrict the behavior of the players. A video game lets you do whatever you want within the restrictions of hows its coded, and there arnt referees. Konami deciding to leave an unintended movement system in their game IS making it official. If they didnt support it, they would have pulled a Nintendo and removed it functions... and then added rng movement griefing for good measure lmao

@@joshuasummers7554 I never said it wasn't official? I'm not sure what point you think I was making.

Agreed. Korean Back Dashing should NEVER be removed from Tekken because it makes the game more interesting, and that's all there is to it. The only argument to be had about KBD is if standard back dashes should be made more effective as an easy alternative. KBD should always be the best way to move for players who can manage it, though.

The same concern is there for me when it comes to other things like electric inputs. I don't even really play Mishimas but I wouldn't want such a high-execution parts of the game to be removed in an attempt to streamline things for everyone. When you see people who have played for years, even decades, demonstrate that kind of execution, it's super impressive and just cool to see.

@@Sangria713 Yeah, it really makes Tekken different since a lot of games went through this phase of simplifying inputs or removing things but Tekken still has execution barriers that really make the best players stand out

@@arcadedude1987 Yeah. The only thing is when does it become arbitrary and/or archaic? Considering core movement of every other 3D FG functions as is.

@@QuintessentialWalrus i agree with you that it should never be removed. if you think about it, korean backdashing is just really a function of movement or back dash canceling . I don’t understand why keyboard warriors say it should be removed because that basically means changing the whole system of cancelling.

wavedashing isnt that hard

@@reeseon10 not on its own, but being able to move smoothly while executing what you want is relatively hard for new players. And some old players...

@@reeseon10 wavedashing is only a portion of what is basic movement in competitive melee, although by far the most famous. L-cancelling, wavelanding, jump heights, tilt vs smash inputs, DI & SDI (debatabely not movement but without these you won't last with experienced players), SHFFLing, and I'm sure other tech I'm forgetting is all pretty much required to have ok control of your movement, before character specific movement is then taken into play as well (think ledgedashes/waveshines/moonwalk etc). For most people, just L-cancelling consistently is a significant challenge, and tilt vs smash inputs as well. So the amount of time for most people to get competent enough at movement to play competitively and have any chance of not being steamrolled is a huge barrier to entry, and movement alone will not bring you up to the competitive skill floor- you need to get there with movement & then start applying it in neutral, advantage, disadvantage, and make it work with your character's moves. All together that's a very high skill floor compared to many past times. Oh, and it's all happening at a way faster pace than most people ever play games. Of course all this doesn't mean Melee is bad or whatnot, it's a game like any other we play at the end of the day. This one just requires a massive dedication competitively, and then mix that with the communities you find in any group of people who all love one thing, and it can get toxic for many. So yeah, Melee's movement standards competitively are pretty bonkers for most people. So is running a marathon, though.

@@KennyCnotG i barely read this but based off the first bit, i agree i just assumed he was referring to specifically wavedashing

@@Lumpycpu true

more exposure? sure not sold 6 million copies to around 50 million total but it growing with post on r/Tekken (feel how you do about reddit it's the pulse on things) pre hype of wallstreetbets.

@@M4TTYN I'm talking competitive tekken you should of seen tag2, we always had the lowest entrees at every tournament. I'm not really talking about how many people bought this game just to finish the campaign and let it collect dust on their shelf

Walking here is redundant because you can just straight up downtilt out of IASA lol. A better example would be that you cannot directly shield out of IASA, so you buffer walk hold shield to get around this.

Hey, alright.

Armenian backdash hmm?

"East coast?"

atpSuspect

Stoners

that's i think not vintage, few keycaps sets are exactly that color to the thing with distressed jeans... dunno if that is a think with keycaps but you never know. with that being a full size it's prob around $99 - $150+ USD I'm just guessing tho as I can't see a logo but this has kinda the same color mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=3565 heads up there's a community of people for keyboards too those with only 6 keys to num pads and all sorts for all that keyboard.university (not a collage)

I wish there were more unique movement- based moves too, like samus downb goomy zoomy or etalus dashattack

Because the stages actually matter in platform fighters. It adds depth and identity to their otherwise simple combat in contrast to a traditional fighter's usual plain stage layout but complex fighting mechanics. Though at times the larger the stage's scale is, the more imbalanced it becomes. Which is why arena fighters are understandably looked down upon since all of them are just broken. Except for Power Stone.

NBA Jam's exploit was that if you were ahead, goal tending was a viable way to play defense. At worse you only surrender 2 points and if your team can shoot the 3ball as well or you get the 'he's on fire buff', you have control of the game.

can't rush quality.