TEKKEN 8 - Lili Guide and Tips (AVOID THESE MOVES!) 

I have lost so many matches by doing DF3+4 for no reason. That move carried me until I got to higher ranks and people actually know how to block

The bot tried plugging after that combo xD

DF 3+4 is such a comfort lili move that I had to force myself to stop using it in neutral. Whilst still linear f+4 is the move im using in that range more and on CH THEN I can combo into df3+4 haha

the benefit of 123 is that it puts you slightly off axis so you can sidestep their punish WAY easier and then it’ll whiff

I think there's something I'm missing with df3+4, because most people who don't play Lili seem to think that move is cheap and they all complain about it, but whenever i try to use it I get bad results more often than good. I think the mistake is to try using it at its maximum range; its long range is an obviously strong feature, so it's of course tempting to try to maximise that feature by throwing it out at range 3. But the problem with that is how the move is deceptively easy to whiff punish; the recovery is long and it moves Lili's hurtbox forward very close to the opponent. The solution to this problem? It might be better to use the move at closer ranges, specifically: (max range - 1 backdash). This way, you remove one risk factor from the equation, and still have a safe launcher. In this application, at this range, it's still quite slow, which remains a big weakness, but it retains strength in its safety and ability to launch crouchers. Its a good move but requires a good understanding of your opponents timing. Likewise with f4, which is another great move that suffers from long whiff recovery and and an advancing hurtbox, but compared to df3+4 is much faster and needs a counter hit. Anyways, thanks for the videos! I'm definitely have a lot to learn.

I definitely picked up some horrible Lili habits while ranking up, and now I am hard stuck at vanquisher/destroyer and needing to adapt. But it's okay cause I love playing Lili and now I get to learn more!

DF, 3+4 is a great move because of it's options. I did notice that you're much better off using Dew Glide, 3+4 in neutral. It catches side step in one direction and is +6 on block. F,3+4 is also good to mix in because it looks visually similar to DF, 3+4 but is much faster and has a stagger option.

Thanks for the vid, I’m in the higher ranks and some adapting is needed, thanks so much xoxo

Me watching your guides in order to counter Lili matchups against spammers :^). Nice videos nice commentary my dude! I appreciate this even tho I won't probably main her.

The WS 1+2 is really good for mixing up and pressure, you can easily see glide cancel into db4. Or you can activate the heat power smash

nice infos man !

I think DF 3+4 can be use to surprise them or to counter like if your opponent like to run forward to you, you can use it to lunch them into combo (Note: I'm only a green rank lili and i often use this move against players who like to spam or if they are aggressive 😅)

df 4,4 is also a risky move. New players will eat it up sure, but experienced players will almost always low parry the 2nd hit.

Really nice video. Idk if it’s like this for other Lili players, but I also find myself in a bad habit of doing df4,4 pretty often. Like you said about 1,2,3, people just know this string, it’s one of Lili’s famous animations, so they are going to crouch block the last hit, leaving Lili punishable. It’s gotten me clutch W’s but it’s starting to blow me up more than help me the more I play ranked. Instead I’ve started doing root of evil (ff4) which is hella good. It’s a bit slower, but I’ve actually gotten this move out a whoooole lot more than I thought I would. It being +10 on hit with bt stance is so satisfying.

All these three moves have their applications in specific times. 1, 2, 3 and 1, 2, 4 can be useful to end the match near the wall, where the opponent will hesitate to sidestep or interrupt. Even high rank players have fallen for this. WS 1, 2 is a punisher, the low can also catch many people off guard if you know how to use it, and, yes, it should be avoided to be used on neutral play if the opponent knows how to duck. Yet, you can still use this in your favor. If your opponent ducks the high consistently, you can just do WS 1 and not finish it. You’ll be -10, but the opponent will duck or even attempt a punisher out of reaction, which you can punish back. Lastly, DF 3+4 is an excellent whiff punisher. If you learn how to use it when opponents are whiffing, you’ll get good results.

Other moves you should avoid and not throw out unless combo extender: db+4 uf+4 u+1,2 uf+3+4,3+4 f+1+2 f+2,3 db+3 u+3+4 u+3 and u+3,3 BT, 3+4

The day I see lilly not using df 3+4 outside a wiff will be a miracle

As a lili main on my channel. the worst move is by far db4 her slow snake edge sweep why they haven't fixed it since ttt2 is criminal. The other moves you mentioned are bad if you constantly use it. However at high level even on my videos I use those moves to check to see an opponents knowledge on lili. If I see they read say 123. I'll try 124. If they know that then I'll do 12, df2 or mix up with other options. The df34 flip I love since I bait a power crush once her back is turned to opponent up close and its still a move out of range a lot of people aren't sure about and get caught with :)

Im addicted to that DF3+4 and I needa stop NOW

i def hit that DF3+4 majority of the time as a combo starter. When it hits i can get a 60 damage combo using heat. But i do need to switch it up cuz it will help me win rounds but sometimes it gets me punished cuz they'll jab me mid flip.

Edelweiss too lmao , its so slow that i either get blocked and punished or parried lol. It kinda works sometimes though since it catches some enemies off guard

Damn I use those moves....so what do you use instead, would have been a good thing to mention.

I guess those are really bad habits, luckily I only do DF 3+4 as my bad habbit. I do wish she had more rush down options.

Only reason i use 1,2,3 is to condition opponents into thinking I am going to spam it but than hit them with df2 or hopkick instead after 1,2 when they go for duck but honestly a lot of time muscle memory kicks in and I end up accidentally pressing 3 anyway and then i am cursing myself

Use df 3+4 if enemy is doing a low and you can launch them from above.

Some people don’t get what Tekken is. It’s about showing off and looking interesting more than being useful. Just add more throws and don’t finish the strings.

df3+4 is actually a good keepout tool, that's how pros use it. Always caught opponents moving forward. What I want to know if ss1+2 and ss3 is not that important.

I agree in neutral but WS12 has great use as a 13f punish or out of a low because you can now cancel it into dew glide which can go into dew glide 4 which is safe, obviously it's bad in neutral but why would you ever use it there. df3+4 in neutral is bad yes but as a long range whiff punisher or if you read your opponent doing a low is good WS12 also gives you a 50/50 with WS124 vs WS12 dew glide 21 (heat engager) and you can hit confirm the first hit which is safe and leave it on block

which controller you're using?

I do 123 few times have to admit...also yeah DF3+4 i always miss the range on opponents a lot 😂

Totally agree 1000%….im currently changing my strings/routine because everything gets punished and is predictable now…it’s almost like tekken 8 wants to force you to use the new added moves

What about lili's frame traps?

I agree, 1,2,3 is a hail mary for round ender, but the risk reward ratio is negative in Lili's existence I disagree with ws 1,2 cause you can go low after, it's a great mind game conditioner I disagree with df3+4, with build in evasion, it's great against low call outs

Yeah df3+4 dominates in early ranks and you develop a crutch with it and then suddenly you’re just getting owned looking like a fool, your backside exposed af lol I wish they give her a legit backturn sidestep like xiouyu. It’s on brand since she’s the sidestep queen already and would make a world of difference in using it as a set up

Agree with the ws 1,2

My bad habit is doing U3+4 whenever I panic, which is a lot 😅

Qfc 3 es un movimiento demasiado bueno

I'm new to Tekken 8 and playing Lili. Seems I'm in good standing cause I didn't know about any of these. I'm already ahead of the game!

I know that it's a bad habit, but I can't stop myself from using DF3+4 lol

Well Lili might not be top tier as in broken like some of the cast, but shes really really strong (id say A+) and when the broken characters get nerfed, she's going to be a menace, same with Shaheen

the only time i use DF 3+4 is when im on oonga boonga and the enemy likes to duck alot. and truth to be told i never use 1 2 3 string since release. i dont know why but that move feels uncomfortable 🤣

I love how your guiding slab me so hard I feel like I so stubit thank for reminding me thank for guide I'm new to your channel just sub for best lili guide

lol, at least all 3 of those moves have *some* niche scenarios for use. Now as for u/b+1. That move is useless!

I use DF 3+4 as a wiff punish or a to check a person button mashing or ducking.

But you telling me I shouldn’t use them without showing me what replacements are is wild

I agree to the df 3+4 🤣🤣🤣 i always do this on the starting match xD hsusvhsga

I expected Matterhorn and Edelweiss 😮😮😮 that are extremely unsafe on block. Moreover, her db+4 is so slow, even my grandma can react to block it 😂😂😂

3:20 Wait, the WS2 reset still exists?! I used that in T7 and it won me a lot of games. I tried doing them in practice mode and online, with the exact same combo too, neither seemed to work so I thought that they removed it

im gonna argue on why is no one avoiding root of evil...seriously!!! its so slow and fast players can just either punish or low parry it.i have experience with bots and those little sh*ts won't let you do it so yeah...thats why I stop using root of evil

In T8 qcf3+4 not being homing is big nerf. 😢

Sorry for the ignorance but what is a reset?

What does ws stand for?

How about the opposites?

Bruv just casually did a 100+ damage combo in the middle of talking about moves not to do sheesh

Don't dos are cool, Do Dos would be more helpful. LOL do do

I'd rather stay at the rank I am for the rest of Tekken 8 then not use df3+4. It's too aesthetically pleasing.

Oh I’m a pad player.

bro in tekken 6 df3+4 was -2 lol spam that shit for walkin~ also ss d3+4 is a bad habit from lili players

stop telling them what NOT to do, i need them to stay free eats 😤

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Lili player saying they’re doing hard work😭💀💀