TEKKEN TAG 1 Did You Know Paul Used To Be Garbage? 

Paul can be slow but he can never be weak .

He didn't have particularly good damage until Tekken 5 lol. His combos were extremely weak in older Tekken games, especially compared to Heihachi and Wang who both had Deathfist + plenty of other moves far better than Pauls

Mortal Kombat 11 initially had a move that was -8 on hit

8 frame jabs were a thing until Tekken 6 dude.

It gave characters more diversity and identity. Yoshimitsu in tk3 is also 8 frame since he is a poke character with short range. Jin has stronger jabs but 10 frame. Kuma was exception with 8 frames and long range! Jumping to tekken 7 i dropped yoshimitsu cause he feels extreme slow and switched to female characters since their movement is atleast decent.

@@djmj1000 not really.. i think universal 10 frame jabs are a good thing Jab on block gives you 1+ frame.. so they can't try to interrupt you on your next move.. but if some characters still had 8 frame jabs then you'd even hesitate build jab pressure because their jab will come out faster than yours after they've blocked.. despite 1+ frame

@@holden6104 I thought they killed those in DR.

Lars Alexandersson Yeah, but you still don't have buffs.

you really think Anakin got destroyed ?

@@neolog602 after switching to paul, yes

@@atmosfear2347 lol...bro Anakin made a comeback winning 2 matches straight so even with Paul he didn't get destroyed.

@@neolog602 thats true but the Comeback from knee using his chance in the very last round was just amazing.

Very funny sounding

Makes 0 sense.

@@UndefeatableKing Yeah, why would a beginner-friendly character operate in such a way that one could only use him for a turn-based kind of play, unless by 'beginner-friendly' the OP meant 'friendly to an opponent who is a beginner'?

@@davidparry5310he was joking Jesus you two are dense

Same! Well, him and Kaz since Tekken 1, but electrics made me drop the other one. Anyway, T3 Paul is clearly the most badass character in the entire series.

Steambull1 t3 Paul needs a revisit . One of the best Paul’s imo

Dont know about tag1 but in tk3 he seemed much stronger? Frame punishment was much harder even if you had the frames cause hitboxes were small and you often whiff if being off axis.

Tekken 4 for me. Love that loose hair and his story. Also introduced Eric Kelso as his best voice. "UUUAAAAARGH!"

@@abyzzwarrior3305 Eric Kelso was the voice actor in Tekken 3 and Tag 1.

@King of Iron Fist That theme alone makes T3 my fav incarnation.

and it makes you wonder how did he beat ogre in the lore 🤣🤦‍♂️🤣🤦‍♂️🤣🤦‍♂️

Yeah not to mention the club scene with Jim and Christie

Jin “ electric grandson”

I really loved that game...*sniff*

Well, at one point SFxT Paul was ranked A tier by Justin Wong, so even at worst he was nowhere this trash. Although, it did always bother me that he had no command grab despite being ostensibly a Judo character. Though it's not like Paul's throw game ever mattered in regular Tekken either, so I guess Ono was just being faithful to the source material. Paul is by far the least authentic Judo character in fighting games, especially compared to Virtua Fighter's Goh Hinogami.

@@Rangaisia To be fair, I don't think he's meant to be a pure Judo character, just a character whose moveset draws upon Judo to an extent. Also, his range of command grabs is above average for a Tekken character, and the command grabs he has are pretty good.

'Why ever pick Paul over Heihachi?' Because Heihachi doesn't have the same scope for mix-ups? 'Heihachi also had the down + 1 as well' Heihachi's doesn't lead to a mix-up, whereas Paul's does. He has the option of either a 4,2 or a 2 extension, while Heihachi only has the 2 extension (and doesn't even have that in all Tekken games - I think they introduced it Tekken 5). Moreover, Paul's 2 extension (in Tekken 5 onwards) can be significantly delayed, allowing for both hit confirmation and for putting the opponent in a position of uncertainty since they don't know whether the extension is coming or not (something else that Heihachi doesn't have, to the best of my knowledge).

'Why ever pick Paul over Heihachi?' Because Heihachi doesn't have the same scope for mix-ups?

@@davidparry5310 Heihachi has d+1, 2 since tekken 1, where it was d+1, f+2. Like Paul. They took it off of Heihachi in Tekken 6 when d+1 became a bound move, and he got a half new d+1, 2 for Tekken 7.

​@@davidparry5310Heihachi is cooler so obviously he's the better option

are you sure bro ?

@@mshklh2099 Yes but i was wrong a bit, i will explain (if someone find it wrong tell me). T3 Jin's 1 is weaker than b+1, if i remember correctly it add 4 dmg and also the dmg buff works in every strings that start with left punch. T3 Damage scaling is weird like TTT1 ones. It's hard to say without a visual reference, but the dmg scaling is influenced by distance and char facing angles, jab at max range often do 80% or something that it base dmg ,also some idle stance of some char like Eddy or Lei make things even worse and inconsistent, more or less point blank distance or less than 1 dash hit result in a clean hit. You can find out another examples in the game, that make me think that is not only inconsistent but also bugged : Ex. Paul's 1 (pointblank range) = 6dmg (120%), Paul's f+1 (pointblank range) = 7dmg (116%).

@@MrOoh50 i can confirm things like this. Usually some left punches were faster but had lower range. Also you could often do a 3 kick with 3+4 instead for damage boost. This way law has a 45dmg WS kick! Depending on distance and speed you could get a 45 dmg electric of jin without counter hit! The distance aproach gives the game some realism since a move is weaker if you hit somone only with the tip of your toe. Yoshimitsu fubuki knee at max range did not knock down. But at perfect long range and counter hit it gave a free flash. Here some secrets: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-o18Fsfccrgg.html

I mean, in Tekken 3, he was broken as f.

@@Adam7180 no he wasn't lol, he sucked just as much as he did here.

You should stop visiting that garbage, especially now in modern times when you have all the social medias available

@@kain1144 how is tekken zaibatsu garbage?

Lol.. did you find the answer? Coz can't tell.. even though i played this game i never did the tag combos.. always used one character and switched when he was bout to die

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Tag 1 Wang and Jun were pretty trash too. Atrocious frame data, but I'm pretty sure Wang had a little bit of sauce

Ogre, True Ogre, Bryan : **Am I a joke to you?**

Probably Law.

@@5uomalainen Law in tekken 4 was low mid tier, but he was solid in all others so close to being consistently strong. Xiaoyu is also preety consistent only being low mid tier in tekken 6.

What about Bryan?

eddy.

Jin/Devil Jin, even just gong by the Mishima karate versions.

Tag 1 vs Tag 2, yes I agree, Tag 2 is better.

bad take

You know, I love Paul, he’s my main. But you just made me realize this and you’re absolutely right. Some of his moves have always looked off, like actual bad form in martial arts off lol. But hey I guess some of that form got sacrificed for the insane fucking power this man had obtained so I guess it’s all good lol

now, put this next to 'we made the next tekken based on all your complaints' tekken4....

Sweden?

Against ai?

No one gives a fuck.

'there are many advantages all characters have and Paul hasn’t.' Like? 'The excuse will be that Paul got the deathfest high damage' Not just that. He has brilliant punishment. Moreover, his moveset is chock-full of scope for mix-ups. He also has a standing launcher that's less than 15 frames (which very few other characters have) in b3.

df2 fast safe mid high crush launcher also note that it continues the combo even on airborne opponent which is hella cheap hopkick: track both sides and has double the range and both hits launches on normal hit also continues the combo normally on airborne opponent

Paul was actually a lot better in t3. He was nerfed this game.

@@DumpsterBuzzard Why do you say that?

@@davidparry5310 It was the ps1 era, so not a lot of info about it is still online, but Paul in 3 had much easier juggles and his counter-hit damage was through the roof. I'd have to find my old game guides to remember all the mechanics around him though.

@@DumpsterBuzzard Personally, I'm not keen on comparisons between characters in the first three games and their counterparts in games from TTT1 onwards. I think of Tekken pre TTT1 as being just a totally different era. International Tekken tournaments weren't a thing and no one gave a damn about frame data. Since comprehensive frame data for those games isn't available, you're relying on a much less complete picture when judging the strength of characters from those games, and making meaningful comparisons with their counterparts in later games is inherently problematic. Moreover, even if frame data were available, you'd then encounter a different problem, namely that you'd be retrospectively judging the characters by standards that no one at the time used.

@@davidparry5310 I didn't mention frame data.