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Ten Hardest Main Scenario Quest Duties in Final Fantasy 14! 

Caetsu Chaiji Ch.
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The so-called MSQ is not exactly considered to be super hard, but it does certainly have its high points and low points in difficulty! In this video, I explore some of the hardest mandatory tasks in Final Fantasy 14!
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Chapters:
00:00 Introduction
01:39 (10) Endwalker's Sneaking Missions
02:13 (9) In Crimson It Began / First Fight with Zenos
02:57 (8) Ultima Weapon / Porta Decumana
03:47 (7) ARR Lahabrea, Reworked
04:35 (6) Rhitahtyn / Cape Westwind, Reworked
05:25 (5) Seat of Sacrifice
06:23 (4) A Frosty Reception / This is Thancred
07:08 (3) Death Unto Dawn
07:49 (2) In From the Cold
08:40 (1) Endwalker / Final Fight with Zenos
09:21 Honorable Mention: Titania / The Dancing Plague
09:41 Honorable Mention: The Chrysalis / Nabriales
10:25 Honorable Mention: Aetherochemical Research Facility / Ascian Prime
10:53 Rounding Up
11:26 Fun Fact

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@wolffster25
@wolffster25 5 месяцев назад
In From The Cold does one thing very well it get you to empathize with your enemy. I do remember feeling at that time there is nothing that can stop me! Only for this duty to remind me of what it’s like for common Garlean soldiers. Every fight is a struggle, the environment is harsh, you see the plight of the common citizens. It was a fantastic way to disempower the player through both story and gameplay a rare feat especially for an MMO which revels in the power fantasy.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
Absolutely true! And they make sure you get this feeling by forcing you to fight someone to an inch of your life! 😅
@mcdoogle_robotman
@mcdoogle_robotman 5 месяцев назад
It also shows how strong the WoL is and how difficult it is for the common soldier when fighting those abominations.
@cstrouts
@cstrouts 5 месяцев назад
The new Duty Support system for main story quest dungeons adds some difficulty to these dungeons because the NPCs won't raise you if you die. This means that the player must perform dungeon mechanics correctly. If you fail a mechanic and die, your whole NPC party wipes. On the other hand, you can learn how to do the mechanics by watching what the NPCs are doing, so there is that.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
Very true, which ironically means that doing it with other players is the "easy difficulty" somehow!
@MediaWilly
@MediaWilly 5 месяцев назад
I agree with you how it can actually be a good thing for ensuring a player actually handles mechanics correctly. That being said I notice when going back through the earlier content, that at least in Stormblood the NPC's are often way too lax in responding to boss mechanics. So if a player is intending on planting their feet in the same spots, they might get whacked. Bardam 'boss' #2 (the mechanic check one) can get sketchy if the player relies on following NPC's in phase 3 (they reach safe spots right as the AoE's go off, meaning a player will probably get clipped). The final dungeon of SB MSQ (before Shinryu, post-patch stuff, etc) also seems to have some weird behaviour going on too. Still, good enough for learning and making competent players I reckon.
@luccasummers4317
@luccasummers4317 5 месяцев назад
100% the hardest for my group of friends has been the solo duty against Venat. The two of us that have made it through EW both had to turn it to very easy because we just couldn't get through the dps check (or whatever you wanna call the final orb thing).
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
That is quite interesting! Gleaming said the same thing in the comments as well! I guess I really forgot a very important one! 😊 Did your friend group happen to do the fight as tank or healer primarily, or was it equally problematic as a dps?
@Boyzby
@Boyzby 5 месяцев назад
It's funny because I had no memory of that part so I must've done it fine the first time through, but when I made an alt I couldn't pass that for the life of me for some reason. I was so frustrated and confused, maybe I was just tired from marathoning for this raid alt.
@velkana
@velkana 5 месяцев назад
honestly I'm dreading it playing on an alt, I went with monk but it feels like I'm going to regret that soon
@luccasummers4317
@luccasummers4317 5 месяцев назад
@@CaetsuChaijiCh Both of us actually did it as dps. DRG for me and my other friend tried as both BLM and SMN. I'm going through the game again as WAR and am interested to see if it's tuned easier for tanks.
@Saieden
@Saieden 5 месяцев назад
For me too, in the end I cheesed the dps check with BRD. It's really tough for melee if you only have or close to min ilvl.
@Strider_Shinryu
@Strider_Shinryu 5 месяцев назад
Not part of the MSQ, but someone else has already mentioned the Red Mage job quest. That and the Samurai one where you're fighting the enemies on the little boat always stick out to me as cases where I ended up going and getting better gear so I could get through them.
@pavfeira
@pavfeira 5 месяцев назад
I can second the SAM boat instance. I ended up befriending a sprout when they asked on Discord if someone could craft them gear for that fight. (It ended up being more of a mechanics check, but the gear gave a bit of buffer)
@nmarchan
@nmarchan 5 месяцев назад
In from the Cold is one of my favorite gameplay moments in the whole game to be honest, if only because of how well the duty sold a sense of weakness and desperation.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
Absolutely, it is a tough duty, and very shocking, but it really delivers what it is trying to!
@TheGameKat
@TheGameKat 5 месяцев назад
@@CaetsuChaijiCh Misery? Yeah it works in that regard.
@0Fyrebrand0
@0Fyrebrand0 5 месяцев назад
In From the Cold really is tough, especially if it's you're first time and you're not sure where to go or what to do. Pretty sure the devs expect you to die at least a couple times before you "get it."
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
Yeah how easily you can fail the duty by making a mistake really makes it feel that way!
@aquablackmage
@aquablackmage 5 месяцев назад
In From the Cold was one of my favorite moments of FFXIV as a demonstration of the strength of the Warrior of Light: even being placed in the body of a lowly henchman, they again are able to overcome insurmountable odds. The body is inconsequential; the immaterial essence of a Warrior of Light is what ensures victory.
@MRF0XTR0T
@MRF0XTR0T 5 месяцев назад
What came to my mind was the solo duty after your soul got ripped from your body and put into that random soldier in Endwalker. Had all the elements of some of the others on this list put together; a time limit, stealth sections, and how many to fight in a body that is unfamiliar.
@TheKeyblader133
@TheKeyblader133 5 месяцев назад
yeah, that one was included pretty high on the list. I'm shocked i managed to complete that in 2 attempts. Thankfully in that respect it made me really enjoy the duty, but I can *really* see that being a problem if I hadn't been so fortunate
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
Indeed, this is the one called "in from the cold"! 😊 I remember both times I did it I felt very stressed! Not to mention the emotional aspect of suddenly being put in a terribly weak character! 😅
@TheKeyblader133
@TheKeyblader133 5 месяцев назад
@@CaetsuChaijiCh Yeah! The urgency and shock of it made it a very potent duty! Though like others I was surprised they didnt use the concept anywhere else in endwalker lmao. I guess a consequence of all the story packed into it didnt leave room for that
@lewys9204
@lewys9204 5 месяцев назад
Oh gawd yeh that one was awful 😂
@TheGameKat
@TheGameKat 5 месяцев назад
If we're talking "most disliked" required content, that is top 3 on my list. In fact whenever I see "In this duty you will play as X" I immediately go on tilt.
@GoldenXShark22
@GoldenXShark22 5 месяцев назад
I'm very surprised the thancred vs rhanjit duel wasn't even mentioned. I haven't failed it but it's an endurance test and the longest solo duty, with a specific method to win.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
Yeah I actually remembered the fight existed near the end which is why I very briefly listed it in text at the end! It is surprisingly hard in a way, but I have not failed it despite the confusing setup, which made me question how much of the fight is actually set dressing you aren't supposed to have a high chance of failing despite how high the stakes are! That doesn't mean it is an easy fight! 😊
@mcdoogle_robotman
@mcdoogle_robotman 5 месяцев назад
I found Thancred vs. Rhanjit & Unknown Imperial Officer duty were pretty challenging.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
Unknown imperial officer is "in from the cold" 😁
@ArmageddonEvil
@ArmageddonEvil 4 месяца назад
@@CaetsuChaijiCh In addition, that Unknown Imperial Officer *was* Zenos' old body before he regained his own too! Because he did use that imperial officer model too.
@Golden910
@Golden910 5 месяцев назад
Now this is a list i agree with. Additionally, i think the mission where you have to piloting the G-warrior was pretty difficult in 5.3 i remember failing it soo many times due understanding its move set and how its how its abilities work. Now i approach solo duties very carefully. 😅
@mistmonster
@mistmonster 5 месяцев назад
Yeah I was going to mention this one. I had so much trouble with this fight on my first play through. I'm like if I want to play in a mech I'd go back to Xenogears!! There was also some cussing and maybe some alcohol involved LOL. I was just absolutely dreading it on my second playthrough with an ALT but beat it first try. Now I'm kind of sad they only used it once
@Golden910
@Golden910 5 месяцев назад
@@mistmonster same I think I was drinking my first run as well. I was worried for my Alt as well but I was able to beat it first try next time as well. I feel the same bring G-warrior back square lol
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
I absolutely love the G-warrior fight, but as it isn't part of the msq itself it wouldn't qualify for a list like this! However what makes that fight hard is comparable to the final shadowbringers solo duty where it tosses you around to different toolkits in a way! 😁
@Golden910
@Golden910 5 месяцев назад
@@CaetsuChaijiCh I see I couldn't remember if it was MSQ or just side content for unlocking Ruby weapon. But yess the multiple toolkits definitely make this a fight to get used too
@zanaduz2018
@zanaduz2018 5 месяцев назад
Ackshually, the G-Warrior fight (against Sapphire Weapon) comes between Ruby and Emerald Weapon in the Werlyt/Weapon series of trials.
@pedroscoponi4905
@pedroscoponi4905 5 месяцев назад
A lot of people, myself included, had some trouble with the Venat 1x1 in Endwalker. One reason why I think that is the case is that most jobs won't have the AoE damage to kill all the aether orbs in time, so it's best to use single target to minimize the amount of duty gauge Venat charges - which is precisely the opposite of what you're supposed to do in any other fight!
@masterplusmargarita
@masterplusmargarita 5 месяцев назад
The MSQ also doesn't give you much gear up to that point, so you're likely to be undergeared - that was my issue. It also encourages you to change into the outfit it gives you for that zone, and that's an ilvl 1 chestpiece, which makes you incredibly weak.
@fluffyfang4213
@fluffyfang4213 5 месяцев назад
@@masterplusmargarita I just glamoured it on. Never even occurred to me that people ever actually wear gear without stats (but am reminded that glamouring is a side quest). But also, you get a full set of level 86 gear (sans accessories) before that fight.
@masterplusmargarita
@masterplusmargarita 5 месяцев назад
@@fluffyfang4213 I didn't have a glamour prism on me (I keep my stack in my retainer inventory), and didn't want to break the flow by going back to grab them, so I just equipped the chestpiece and forgot about it. You DO get a stack of lvl 86 gear, I just checked. I have vivid memories of annoyedly going to a market board to buy better gear than I had to deal with the instance, so I don't know what I did with the stuff the MSQ gives you. Gonna leave my previous comment up as a warning to always factcheck yourself to avoid looking dumb as I just have.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
Yeah it turns out, based on several comments that I completely missed that the venat fight had a particularly brutal thing with the orbs!
@fluffyfang4213
@fluffyfang4213 5 месяцев назад
@@masterplusmargarita I'm silly and immediately broke the flow by returning to an inn to make a glamour plate haha. But yeah, that part of the story is immersive enough I can see why people just equipped the clothes. Also, I respect and applaud your integrity
@Cinderbloom
@Cinderbloom 5 месяцев назад
For me it was Venat. That is I think the only duty I failed more than once to - the DPS check is really tight I find on Tank
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
Apparently this is a common one that I suppose I missed!
@gunthervonhatten9796
@gunthervonhatten9796 5 месяцев назад
I was stuck on her for a week. Had to upgrade my gear (I was already lvl 90), had to materia all my gear and I had to eat food. I was on ninja and I think my bad ping was playing a big part but damn, almost quit cuz of her. Those balls really ruin that fight at the end. But yet Zenos was such a push over for me. So *shrug...
@adonisdarkblade
@adonisdarkblade 5 месяцев назад
I failed the solo duty against Venat three times (I kept it on normal difficulty) and I’m a quad legend lol. I think Venat is by far the most difficult story content.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
How strange! As far as I recall I never failed it, but I have heard many say it was brutal as well! 😅
@gtgtgtgtgt123456789
@gtgtgtgtgt123456789 5 месяцев назад
tbh FFXIV is extremely easy, especially the MSQ. I'm pretty sure I failed the first time too because I was just getting hit by every mechanic and failed an actual DPS check. The game baits you into thinking it's just another sleeper thing . I think that's what gets most people.
@reilie9115
@reilie9115 5 месяцев назад
Surprised Zenos (Sb) appeared over Venat. The sb zenos encounter was so easy and boring that it infuriated me when we lose anyways. I didnt warm up to his concept as a character until ala mhigo bc of how badly the solo duty encounters sold his “strength”. Venat effectively having a dps check and a rather strict one if you don’t know which orbs to prioritize was far more difficult imo.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
That's fair! I noticed a lot of people found that mechanic on venat quite difficult, but I just never noticed that. Quite an interesting situation! In retrospect the venat fight should probably had been ranked very high for that reason!
@TheKeyblader133
@TheKeyblader133 5 месяцев назад
Besides Venat, which some have mentioned, I recall having an especially hard time with Amaraut at the end of Main-SHB. I dont remember what it was about that dungeon, only that our party wiped *multiple* times before the final encounter, not to mention at least twice during the final fight. I no doubt am sure I had a many responsibilities I was failing in there, but it's been quite a while. I think it just had a lot of different mechanics to keep track of, and almost everyone in our party had some amount of trouble with them.
@mistmonster
@mistmonster 5 месяцев назад
The last fight on that is pretty mean.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
Amaurot is quite difficult yes! It feels like it is quite consistent that the final dungeon before the expansion credits tend to be quite tough. An interesting detail about the final boss in amaurot though, is that a tank can actually solo the fight, even to the point that they can with good planning and play, deal with the apokalypsis beam with no safe spots and just heal through it. The only tank that might find it close to impossible is dark knight. But of course it all requires that you know what to do!
@businessqt
@businessqt 5 месяцев назад
Great video! Totally agree with a lot of the choices on the list. Not sure what you next planned video is, but a similarly themed "hardest job duties" might be cool to see. I remember a few of those being pretty difficult.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
Thank you for the suggestion 😊 I will consider it 😊
@ExcooseMwah
@ExcooseMwah 5 месяцев назад
Browsing through comments, theres one I'm slightly surprised wasn't brought up, but the single duty, not the trial version, Lakshimi fight gave me a lot of trouble. Two main reasons being that she had that one attack that came out very quick and did a lot of damage. It basically felt like getting sucker punched. Blocking the orbs could also be a bit annoying.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
Oh yeah I do remember that! Blocking the orbs was quite challenging as well as if I recall you had no margin for error, a single orb was failure! 😅
@JohnSears
@JohnSears 5 месяцев назад
The Cape Westwind boss was quite enjoyable on my first playthrough. When I got there, I thought, "Now this is an enjoyable bossfight"
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
It is indeed an enjoyable boss fight with an enjoyable boss guy!😉😁
@MajoraZero
@MajoraZero 2 месяца назад
It's also a high jump in fight design quality, going from 2.0 era directly to 6.0 era
@Ponifex
@Ponifex 5 месяцев назад
It's probably a total joke these days, but I distinctly recall the Magus Sisters in Tower of Zot being a pretty notable spike in needing to pay attention. Particularly when all three are on the field at once, and going crazy with their AoEs at the same time. Their phase transitions have a predictable pattern after you've seen them a few times, sure. But it was super messy with four completely fresh players (plus the MSQ ferrying everyone there at Level 81 rather than synced at 82 with vital new Job Abilities to play with), and it certainly took the group I landed with a good few attempts to just barely eek past the onslaught on my first go-around. Heck, that dungeon in general could be weirdly punishing, in a way most Shadowbringers dungeons before it (or even Endwalker ones *after* it for that matter) rarely tended to be. Wonky pulls, unexpectedly threatening packs... Fun times, for sure!
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
It's actually weirdly common that "the first dungeon" in an expansion is a spike in difficulty. I recall people feeling the same way about holminster switch, and both of these two dungeons are also known to have some brutal trash packs, without even thinking of the boss fights!
@lmollea
@lmollea 4 месяца назад
Yea, as a healer I was sweaty at the end of the fight. We didn't wipe but boy it was tough (I was also still learning a bit Sage so I wasn't clear what all my buttons did). It is a fight that is heavily dependent on gear, though. Replaying it recently was much less painful. Holminster switch wasn't too hard, what it was awful was that bosses seemed to have huge health pools so they lasted for way longer than usual.
@JetEriksen
@JetEriksen 5 месяцев назад
The seat of sacrifice "mash" is actually extremely easy, it looks much harder than it is, but that's because the bar scales to your mashing speed to the point that you can pass with 2 presses per second, but can likely go as low as 1 per second.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
Very true... But I have seen multiple people actually somehow having trouble with it for some reason. And the simple fact that you HAVE to succeed it on your own does mean it places far more personal responsibility on you than, say, Ultima weapon since the group as a whole might have dps enough there! But you are right that it is deceptive in that the bar is easier to maintain when it is closer to empty!
@InnocentGuillotine
@InnocentGuillotine 5 месяцев назад
@@CaetsuChaijiChA big reason for it is that if anyone fails, it causes a wipe, and if you're on keyboard and happen to press enter while mashing, all your inputs will be eaten and I find you often can't recover from that. My first run of SoS led to a wipe at the mash and it was probably entirely because the chatbox ate like half my inputs.
@jubbin5031
@jubbin5031 5 месяцев назад
man ive never agreed so hard with a list before in my life, glad im not the only one who thought these were super nerve wrecking. i lost twice playing as Urianger cause that was first time i had to actually play a healer
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
A friend of mine failed that duty probably a dozen times for a similar reason! The fact they had to get acquainted with multiple toolkits they'd never seen before in such short order was simply overwhelming! 😊
@twilightgeneral777
@twilightgeneral777 5 месяцев назад
The only MSQ duty that I've ever struggled with and had to lower the difficulty on was the duel with Venat while playing as a Black Mage. The check where you need to prevent her from absorbing the orbs just absolutely stone walled me for like 3 hours.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
That's wild! It really sounds like this mechanic is adjusted based on what job you play, because the majority of people having trouble with this one seems to be black mages! 😅
@Wordsman
@Wordsman 5 месяцев назад
Rhitahtyn was the first time I died and had to retry during the story quest. I think I got it on the second or third try. For me though, it was the Duel w/ Venat solo mission that frustrated me the most the part w/ the orbs that filled her final attack in particular. I struggled to notice that some orbs filled her bar more than others, so I stressed myself out trying and failing to kill every orb. EDIT: HOLY SHIT the first boss in Pharos Sirius! I completely forgot about that guy. the aoe patterns w/ his corrupted crystal debuff AND vuln stacks, I've been in a premade light party w/ people who've cleared savage raids and more, and it still takes us 3 tries just to pass him.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
It appears a lot of people had trouble with the venat fight, and I simply never realized! Very understandable with how the fight is structured though!
@jimdale9143
@jimdale9143 5 месяцев назад
Hi, that was a nice video. I agree with your picks, especially your honorable mention of fights where you play as an npc on an unfamiliar class. The fight in Shadowbringers where you play as Thancred comes to mind as I had never picked up Gunbreaker. I often play as a Paladin, however, so there was enough roll similarity to muddle through it. I have also found that class and roll make a difference. I usually keep a tank, a healer and a DPS in my tool kit and have experimented with different rolls. My experience has been that a tank with strong self healing often has an easier time. Others with different roll preferences may have had different results.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
Indeed, as far as I know, if a solo duty requires a lot of damage from the player at certain points (like with dps checks) they usually adjust it for tanks and healers. Meanwhile I am less certain that they adjust the incoming damage based on you playing a job with little self healing for example, so it would make sense a tank or healer would find many solo duties easier 😊
@taca316
@taca316 5 месяцев назад
The final phase of the Venat fight is unreasonably strict/hard for tanks. With all the aoes (which your bound to get hit by) giving a damage down and having to kill so many in the final wave of the orbs. With the fact its iirc 4 orbs across all the waves and you fail. You cant real stand in the center and aoe since they will get to her to quickly. And if you run to the orbs you are basically guaranteed a damage down, single targeting them isn't great either. I haven't needed to turn down the difficulty on any solo duty except that one. Since my dnc, blm, sam, and whm were all to low at the time to attempt it.
@JohnSears
@JohnSears 5 месяцев назад
It's kinda crazy seeing the sprout icon in all these endwalker fights since you can lose it as early as the end of the shadowbringers patches. But then I remembered that you need a certain playtime too.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
Indeed! If I recall correctly, my alt that I play on stream lost the sprout icon to time, rather than completing the msq because of focusing on the msq so much! It is quite strange to see a sprout in like a current savage raid, but it can happen!
@Qorani_VT
@Qorani_VT 5 месяцев назад
@@CaetsuChaijiCh I can actually answer this since it comes up in the Leviathan NN a bit. The criteria are to have finished 5.5 and have 300 hours of playtime now.
@andrewg319
@andrewg319 5 месяцев назад
300+ hours I believe
@ranned6
@ranned6 5 месяцев назад
when you're a sprout doing solo msq duties in ARR (like the one near little ala mhigo, or the one at witchdrop), it can be difficult to clear them if you don't focus on keeping the required npc alive. I failed the little ala mhigo one a LOT before realizing what I needed to focus on lol (extra tough if you're dps or healer and can't pull aggro off the npc)
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
Yeah that can happen! Sometimes a duty also has a sneaky way to fail you if you aren't paying attention! 😅
@GleamingGarmore
@GleamingGarmore 5 месяцев назад
What this video taught me was that Endwalker had some truly fantastic Solo Duties! I love In From The Cold, the last Zenos fight is really good too. You didnt mention the Venat fight in this, but I really had trouble with the orb phase because i noticed that Unmend did Less Than Half of an orb’s hp, so unless I got up to it in time it would take 3 GCDs to kill.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
Indeed! An interesting thing is that a good challenging fight is usually remembered fondly! You're right, I did forget about the venat fight! I guess because I did the fight as a summoner on my main and dragoon on my alt, I didn't find it particularly challenging to make such a dps check, and so didn't even remember that it could be a problem on a tank for example, but I can see how that would be a problem!
@KitsuneScholar
@KitsuneScholar 5 месяцев назад
Fun fact with Chrysalis: The DoT/vuln up you get from him before the rift dps check is also a good way to see when to pop your buffs if you keep running from the draw in. It's just long enough to fall off before the final pull in.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
That is quite interesting! Unfortunately I think hardly anyone realizes there is a dot at all, or that you can delay getting sucked in in any way! 😅
@KitsuneScholar
@KitsuneScholar 5 месяцев назад
@@CaetsuChaijiCh Yep. It's why the tenfold to the timer is there and is why there's also those extra damage ticks that make some seem more frail than they should be. I like getting it as Paladin because you pop sprint and hallowed ground and just have almost a minute of invulnerability for soaking the comets.
@IKMcGwee
@IKMcGwee 4 месяца назад
Ah happy to see the reworked Lahagorm fight mentioned. Ive had to explain it to first timers/returners who havent been since update so many times, ive memorized the whole damn fight. Explaining it to people in PC is tricky.
@maunf1
@maunf1 26 дней назад
Breaks my heart how misunderstood that Nabriales section is, if you run from the portal your debuff wears off before you get pulled in, making the damage you take from comets etc in there completely inconsequential, every time it shows up I ask "Is today the day 8 people hold the W key?" and it never is.... T_T
@Geist1337
@Geist1337 5 месяцев назад
The only solo duty I ever failed, aside from the ones where the objective just didn't make sense the first time around, was the level 30 Conjurer class quest - both times I did it. Of course the first time I did it I was just bad at the game and wasn't entirely sure of my buttons. It was my first character after all. But then I went back and did it on another character and even then, having played the game long enough and well enough to be casually clearing the latest extreme trials and savage raid tier, I still ended up dying my first attempt. For some reason that Akoman boss and the adds he spawned just chunked me whenever I got there. It was insane. Also I did the final Zenos fight as a healer. Maybe that makes a huge difference, but for me he didn't even rank. I only 'died' on the scripted section and never even dropped under 50% before or after, even while eating the occasional mechanic.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
That is an interesting example, but it is certainly not the only weirdly tough job quest!
@vespi57
@vespi57 5 месяцев назад
I used to call the old Cape Westwind as " a Trial that is not even a Trial". I never got to know, what was actually happening there, the boss died in about ten seconds every time. When I played the reworked solo duty the first time, I was amazed, how challenging it was. I nearly failed it even. If I could choose some challenging dungeons, I'd say Holminster Switch. The first time I played it felt like a steep spike in difficulty compared to any other dungeon before that. The mobs there made me feel like punching bag, my HP just dropped and dropped. There are still times it surprises me, especially if you do it with first timers.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
Indeed! In all my time I think I saw cape westwind do something once and only once because nearly everyone in the party were sprouts. The new solo duty is much better 😊 And indeed, the pulls in holminster certainly rank as some of the hardest in the game as well!
@masterplusmargarita
@masterplusmargarita 5 месяцев назад
I find ARF not necessarily the hardest, but certainly the most wiped-on fight, because the ice and fire AoEs are timed in such a way that if you wait for their animation to finish you have to be almost perfect to not get hit by the next AoE. Once you realize the animation doesn't damage you and you can run as soon as the floor damage indicators disappear it becomes a lot more lenient, but a lot of newer players don't know that and end up getting hit. It's very understandable - it looks like running through the big fiery explosion would hurt - but they hurt enough that they can one-shot a slightly health chipped healer, and tanks at that level don't have the sustain to not turn the healer dying into a party wipe.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
Exactly, this is kind of what got me to add it as an honorable mention. It's brutally difficult in a way, but it doesn't rely on everyone playing well to be successful!
@TaleSeeker
@TaleSeeker 5 месяцев назад
The fight against Venat kicked my butt several times, even Zenos was easier to do.
@danfernow7120
@danfernow7120 5 месяцев назад
I haven't seen it mentioned yet: I think The Burn, really just the Mist Dragon fight, is probably the most dangerous MSQ dungeon. It's the only one I can recall wiping on in roulette. If the healer doesn't know what's up and fails the "don't attack this" mechanic, there's enough damage that the dragon could wipe the party. Combined with the mist mechanic where you have to find the line AoE when the dragon disappears, it's a dangerous one if you don't already know the mechanics. With duty support in particular I could see a sprout wiping quite a few times.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
The burn is quite tough, and the healers responsibility is quite high, but the group as a whole can help each other through it! 😊 It would rank it higher as a generally difficult dungeon!
@StickmanCorp
@StickmanCorp 5 месяцев назад
In the cold is one of my favourites. Although I managed to get it first try, that was on the edge; it was one of the few times I actually felt challenged, and I thought this matched the narrative of the duty really well. Although not a MSQ duty, one of the hardest solo duty for me was one of the Monk's (but it's possible my gear was simply under-tuned for this one). I can't remember which one it is exactly, maybe one near the end of the lvl 50-to-60 questline ? In this one you are ambushed by a large mob, who frequently respawn while you take on the main boss. That one required some serious scheduling of my cooldown, target priorization, and positioning.
@MajoraZero
@MajoraZero 2 месяца назад
As a healer main who plays the msq as a caster, particularly WHM and RDM, the listed solo duty you play as the other scions was "this simplified kit is boring" 😂 Cape Westwind was the first time the Msq challenged me. Not sure if it was two or three tries or if I changed jobs, but I did make me redo the thing and pay good attention.
@angelvaladez625
@angelvaladez625 5 месяцев назад
Undoubtedly the Venat instance was the single hardest duty for me. When i first did it, it was on WAR and bursting the orbs was near impossible without landing a perfectly timed AoE on the orbs. Ive watched my friends clear it on AST and BLM and both proved to be equally challenging, thought we managed it without lowering the difficulty
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
That's good at least! I am surprised that it is so difficult depending on what job you pick for it!
@aquablackmage
@aquablackmage 5 месяцев назад
I started my character right around when a lot was reworked (April 2022), and as a BLM sprout fighting Rhitahtyn, I felt this to my core. I kind of want to NG+ to see how much I've grown since then.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
I think that is actually a great idea. I also recommend doing it again as BLM so you really get to see how much you have grown!
@SageTigerStar
@SageTigerStar 5 месяцев назад
I see a lot of similar answers here, but one that sticks out to me was the solo duty vs one of the Heavensward Knights in Foundation. This was back when I started (during ShB release) and I had just gotten to Heavensward. I did a bunch of Leveling for AST and was using that as my job for the expansion. However, when I got to that particular Solo duty, I just couldn't get past it. I know at the time it might have just been a skill issue, haha, but in the end I had to change to Gunbreaker for the duty. Playing on an alt a while later, I almost lost the fight as RDM as well but just baaaarely pulled through. Besides a lot of the same duties people talk about in other comments, as well as several on the vid's list, that one from Heavensward just sticks out to me, lol.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
That is an interesting one as well! I wonder if maybe there was a gear issue as well, but I wouldn't know for sure!
@pavfeira
@pavfeira 5 месяцев назад
Anecdotally, I had a group fail The Heroes' Gauntlet once. The final boss will repeatedly wind-up a line AoE targetting one player, without a ground telegraph. We had a sprout healer who couldn't understand it and didn't successfully dodge a single hit. Even with me feeding them TBN, they would die and then the group would wipe. I tried coaching them through it, but after 5 or 6 pulls, the group Vote Abandoned.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
That is a really unfortunate situation! I had a similar experience a long time ago in Ghimlyt Dark, where the healer just couldn't survive a mechanic on the final boss, and since we had no one else that could raise, the Dark Knight tank, which was also a sprout, just slowly withered away over the course of the fight because of it. And we ultimately had to abandon :/
@TheIvoryDingo
@TheIvoryDingo 5 месяцев назад
Something else to consider in regards to the difficulty of the Cape Westwind solo duty is that it is very possible for newer players to not have a proper set gear for it (especially if they didn't do their job quests). Also, aggro types are still relevant to keep in mind in Eureka (maybe also Bozja, but I'm not too certain) and also Deep Dungeons. Not stuff needed for MSQ, but nonetheless not as niche as the Aurum Vale example.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
That is very true, I tend to forget about adventure forays and deep dungeons when thinking about these things but you are right! 😊
@mosselyn5081
@mosselyn5081 5 месяцев назад
I thought I was going to have to quit the game because of In From the Cold. Death Unto Dawn pretty much drove a friend of mine out of the game after years of playing. I love the new ARF boss fight, but any time I'm in there with a sprout, I know there will be dead people, lol. My honorable mention would probably go to the SB duty The Will of the Moon in Azim Steppes. I failed it multiple times as a sprout. Later, a sprout friend of mine took multiple days to get past it and almost rage quit. I think what makes some of the solo duties more challenging as a sprout is that they involve non-obvious mechanics that can miss if you aren't paying close attention to the NPC dialog. It is hard for many players to comprehend what a wide player skill range exists in games. I am 60+ and play with a lot of older gamers. We often struggle with mechanics that understandably feel trivial to younger players. Both our reaction time and our situational awareness are not as good.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
All of those are totally understandable to be difficult! In from the cold brings out obscure mechanics you never have to deal with, combined with a stripped toolkit, on a tight timer. It really gets to the edge! Similarly death unto dawn requires you to quickly learn the full toolkit of three different characters that work significantly different! The Azim steppe duty is also a great example of a fight that seems to expect a lot from you that just isn't clearly explained. I remember I found it very confusing myself, and I recall back before shadowbringers that a friend who played black mage found it impossible to beat due to lacking self healing. I absolutely agree that a lot of players forget how vast the skill range is in the game. In fact, a lot of players can have a hard time imagining players genuinely being worse than themselves, which often leads them to believe everyone finds content outright trivial! I hope despite the challenges you and your friends still have enjoyed your journeys! 😊
@KanetsidohiKanotoush
@KanetsidohiKanotoush 4 месяца назад
I'm a filthy casual who's been playing a character over 30 for the first time so, I don't know much of the fights you mentioned but so far, from those I've done as a Black Mage, two solo duties stuck to my mind 1. The Reason Roaille: A solo duty where Ilberd must not die. I tried dozen of times in normal, and easy to not avail, I finally caved in and barely made it in super, hyper, extremely humillating easy mode 2. Rihtahtyn sas Arvina: I had been following the MSQ without much trouble so this took me by susprise, I expected it may be difficult, and I actually a second phase but I was not prepared for another, even less in the way it happened. It was actually rather fun, and it took me only three tries to complete it. Contrary to all other fights, doing this with my Black Mage was surprisingly easy but I couldn't do it neither with my paladin or warrior Regarding groups, as a dps most of the time I can shrug off my mistakes because the rest of the team is doing what they should but when the tank or the healer are new, just learning the class or the mechanics, things can get very though. In many, many low level instances my groups ran out of time, and have to give up so kudos to all those tanks, and healers which persevered, learned their jobs, and I guess enjoy the responsability
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 4 месяца назад
Thank you for putting a name to it. I heard others talk about the ilberd one but I simply couldn't find it because I had no quest name or anything 😅 I can imagine that would be quite hard, although I am surprised he's that difficult to keep alive! 😅
@TheHaruIshi
@TheHaruIshi 5 месяцев назад
Probably already been said but “Will of the Moon” in post Stormblood.
@sdrawkcabdaer3278
@sdrawkcabdaer3278 5 месяцев назад
I failed the first solo duty in Escape from Castrum Centri multiple times because they kept telling me to untie Papalymo and Urianger, but when I clicked on them, they just said "Now is not the time for that!". Eventually I beat it by ignoring Papalymo and Urianger, and instead focusing on mowing down the enemies. After the fact I learned that apparently you have to click behind the characters, and not on the characters themselves, to remove the ties. Otherwise they just think you're trying to talk to them.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
Ha! That reminds me of when I did one of the ninja quests where you are supposed to rescue the team and then they fight alongside you, and it didn't occur to me I could do that until after I had beaten all the enemies and had a moment to think! 😂
@hazenoki628
@hazenoki628 5 месяцев назад
Today I learned you get extra lives during the final Zenos encounter... I found it trivial even by solo duty standards. The only solo duties I had actual trouble with were the Thancred RP duty in Amh Araeng (due to misunderstanding what you needed to do) and the one where you have to charge Alisaie's sword. I just kept trying to interact with HER, completely missing that there was a sword *item* hidden on the other side of her.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
Indeed, the zenos fight is very fair, meaning that if you have no issues with the average boss fight, he will probably be very easy too! The reason I ranked it so high is because I'd assume someone who found some of the other "fair fights" hard, would find it especially hard. You know, given that in a group duty you can usually die with no problem and so on! 😊
@hazenoki628
@hazenoki628 5 месяцев назад
@@CaetsuChaijiCh Indeed, the ranking system makes a lot of sense. If you're measuring things by how hard they are to just get past, you need to take carrying into account, and that just makes solo duties all the more likely to be roadblocks!
@skooterboyle1991
@skooterboyle1991 5 месяцев назад
I imagine a lot of us vets are thinking few or none of these are all that challenging -- so I appreciate just how much you are viewing these from the perspective of new players. Perhaps the most important point you make about those end-of-ARR duties is that it's the first time players see some of those mechanics. It's one of the things I have liked about the rework of ARR: some of those mechanics weren't standardized until HW or even SB originally, so bringing them in with the rework definitely helps new players later on.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
Thank you! I do admit that sometimes I heavily overestimate how difficult something can be for a new player (or even just a player that doesn't progress as quickly skillwise), but I do try, so I am glad to hear it is appreciated! ^^
@NulienTia
@NulienTia 5 месяцев назад
I've seen a number of streamers fail the fight against Guillaime (one of them failed multiple times) during the level 40-something Coerthas stretch of the MSQ. A couple of the adds immediately go after Lord Drillemont as soon as they spawn, and if you don't quickly get their attention he can die pretty easily, and you fail the duty. It's not hard at all if you do get the enemy's attention right away, but the game doesn't seem to give you any indication that he's in danger of dying and needs to be protected, leading new players to fail the duty and not understand why they failed.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
That is quite an unfair quest then! Personally I don't even remember it from when I did it again on my rewind replay stream series, so I have to assume I had no issues with it! 😅 Interesting!
@Hugo-MTX96
@Hugo-MTX96 5 месяцев назад
I feel like another good honorable mention is the 2nd boss in castrum abania ( fire ice guy) after the rework. Since then I cant tell you how many sprouts avoid soaking towers because they also get linear aoe at the same time thus causing big raidwide damage, and sometimes just a straight wipe unless the tank has some cooldowns to spare and enough hp is left over.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
That is pretty funny! I recall the old version of him was even more brutal to sprouts, although it gave less personal responsibility (if the sprout didn't get the fight, they'd just spend it tanking the floor, but the rest of the group could still beat it!)
@NulienTia
@NulienTia 5 месяцев назад
I just thought of a moment in the ARR MSQ that I've seen a lot of new players die to. It's not a duty, it's just a straightforward quest that's really easy to do if... IF... you pay attention and read what the npc tells you to do, but if you miss or ignore what they said and try to brute-force it, you'll likely be overpowered and die. It's the level 39 quest, Factual Folklore. You're sent to kill a mudpuppy in Daniffen Pass in Coerthas, and it has very high HP and damage for its level, and unless you've significantly overleveled/overgeared the quest, it will eat you alive. How are you supposed to beat it then? By doing exactly what the quest npc explicitly told you to do... use the vinegar item that he gave you, which debuffs the mudpuppy and drops its stats down to normal levels, making it easy to beat. The problem is that this stretch of the MSQ can feel somewhat tedious, and even some patient players might be only half paying attention to what the dialog is saying at the time.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
Oh yeah I remember that one! That was pretty funny actually! 😂
@cyphi474
@cyphi474 5 месяцев назад
In From the Cold can be pretty much entirely sneak trough, going trough back alleys and behind enemies.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
Very true, but it does require at least some mild understanding of how sight cones and things like that works! The fight right at the start is outright mandatory though! 😁
@JurassicPancake
@JurassicPancake 5 месяцев назад
surprised wol vs venat in elpis wasnt on here! i actually just did it for the first time about two days ago as a monk, that last phase with the orbs was absolutely KILLING me, meanwhile i went on to wallop zenos with all 5 lives in tact (first try!!)
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
I actually have a video coming about that! But the story is genuinely that both of the times I did the venat fight were first try but close, so I simply assumed the fight wasn't actually that hard and I was just being dumb 😂 Meanwhile the zenos fight I evaluated would be a lot harder for someone who for example, mostly got carried through the party content in the msq, which probably led me to heavily overestimate its difficulty in that regard, as you can see you are absolutely not the only one with the exact observation you made! 😂😁
@Shadic67
@Shadic67 5 месяцев назад
Oh I'm in the Seat of Sacrifice clip! The intermission is definitely the worst part, when I did it for the first time on Day 1, we wiped 4 times to it, to the point where I thought it was a bug. I actually couldn't believe that 1 person not pressing any button would result in a wipe
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
Oh that's quite funny! 😁 Indeed, I learned the hard way too when I was helping a friend with it and they just couldn't do it! 😅
@ShikiRyougi05
@ShikiRyougi05 5 месяцев назад
I wish that the MSQ was harder...i'm currently at the stage where i want to do harder content but am way to scared to try because of the giant difficulty spike.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
One way I would recommend making a more reasonable curve up to the higher difficulties is to start with some unsynced extreme trials or savage raids from shadowbringers, and then work your way up to extremes in endwalker and after that the current savage raids. You could also skip the unsynced old content part, but it could at least give you a chance to get a bit more acquainted with the more difficult content before you jump into the hardest!
@alejandrobobadilla7934
@alejandrobobadilla7934 5 месяцев назад
I feel that Shiva EX is a good stepping stone into the harder content sync, it’s a very straightforward fight with the only mechanic you need to really worry about is what weapon she has at the time and a DPS check which one tank takes shiva the other takes the 4 adds
@kohlicoide2258
@kohlicoide2258 5 месяцев назад
Odin is also a nice trial its also just Dodging but the Tankbuster hits hard (as it should be) (means a Tank without Mitigation lose almost 70-80% Life) and at 15% life their is a Enrage, its a problem in FF14 that the game has just two difficultys Farmville and Dark Souls Endwalker Spoiler: When you are able to kill Golbez Extrem or/and Barbaricca Extrem you are ready for Savage^^
@Qorani_VT
@Qorani_VT 5 месяцев назад
No joke, I did the reworked MSQ on a new BLM character when the Dynamis DC came out. I'm a savage/ultimate caster main and I had to genuinely take food, potions, and gear into account for Cape Westwind because Rhitatyn's soft enrage kept up with my lack of healing.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
That is quite wild! I can see how this would happen with blm, since I have only really experienced the reworked version with dragoon, which would have more armor and more healing than blm!
@Qorani_VT
@Qorani_VT 5 месяцев назад
@@CaetsuChaijiCh It's really awkward because there aren't many options in terms of accessories between levels 29 and 50 without splurging on the market board, so that was probably a contributing factor.
@atteinkilainen1746
@atteinkilainen1746 5 месяцев назад
The Chrysalis/Nabriales The intended way is not not get sucked in early, so that dot+huge vuln drops before you enter the tear. That way even dps can take meteors. But everyone just does LB3 strat, I don't think I've seen anyone do it the intended way of resisting the pull in.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
As far as I know, hardly anyone knows you can even resist it in the first place!
@SamoyedSagas
@SamoyedSagas 5 месяцев назад
I failed in from the cold once and immediately restarted on very easy. And the button mash section seems to be bugged and it opens up menus when you mash keys, which has never happened to me before in an ATB.
@sjacpswbs03162005
@sjacpswbs03162005 5 месяцев назад
Honestly life is a little short to repeatedly fail at a duty for me so very easy has been a useful frustration preventer as intended
@mistmonster
@mistmonster 5 месяцев назад
Not MSQ but one of the healer jobs quests was such a pain. I'm not a healer, so that didn't help but you were supposed to ensuna NPCs that it was tough to track which ones had the debuff. I think it was a Scholar quest, I know it was in upper La Noscea.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
Yeah that kind of move seems weirdly common! Somewhat recently I was tricked by something like this in the shadowbringers healer role questline, where your only sign is a single text box warning you to do something about it! 😅
@imark946
@imark946 5 месяцев назад
I think Venat solo fight is a harder fight than Zenos. DPS check + quick reflex with some mechanics. My friend and I almost failed it the first time we went through it with how close the dps check for the orbs before Venat enrage
@peterstadtmueller4058
@peterstadtmueller4058 5 месяцев назад
I wiped on the final mechanic of Venat as black mage enough times that I leveled a different class to beat it as. It felt like I just didn't have enough GCDs to kill enough orbs, even if I killed each orb in one shot.
@fluffyfang4213
@fluffyfang4213 5 месяцев назад
I may have to replay it to refresh my memory, but that seems weird. I did it as a healer which meant I needed 2 GCDs for each orb and that was fine.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
It is quite strange. Personally I didn't have any major issues with this mechanic as summoner or dragoon, however based on how many mentioned this particular mechanic, it does seem like something I missed that really should've been on the list!
@Shizuma
@Shizuma 5 месяцев назад
"The Will of the Moon" solo msq duty I found kind of hard.. Not sure if it was because one of the first duties I had to do when returning. But the battle having many mechanics and the length of it, but I did fail and it was frustrating to have to try over again.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
Oh I could imagine a fight like this would be quite tough if you had just returned to the game!
@prophetjeremeyolloy2579
@prophetjeremeyolloy2579 5 месяцев назад
I started FF14 just focusing on MSQ most of my time. Afaicr, I was a PLD that shifted to a GNB when it became available. I only played diablo series, before playing FF14 as my 1st MMO. After almost a month of playing, Sadu forced me to put some damage materia on my gears, first time i used them. Then after about 2months, I met mom. It was the first time I had to settle for Easy just to move on after trying more than 10 times to beat those orbs in nomal. I made an alt after 9 months of playing. And the only thing that stopped my grind was Mom again even though I was already a SAM. She was the only one to make me retry. And if I may add dungeon causing wipes if a healer or tank goes blind, Amaurot, Vanaspati final boss wipe tendency is high.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
Yeah it turns out a lot of people had trouble with venat! Amaurot is also a surprisingly tightly tuned dungeon, and I can see how the final boss of vanaspati would be tough. I recall early on on endwalker at least that the boss had a bug where some players couldn't actually see the "warning sign" of what color was going to explode. Like, the sign just didn't appear on their screens!
@Yuki_1927
@Yuki_1927 5 месяцев назад
I don't have any that I consider difficult, but I remember Cape Westwind being particularly memorable because I thought it was intense and the game was getting hype. Endwalker got me irrationally angry with the tailing missions, but 'In from the cold' is one of the most memorable moments I had in a game. The panic I felt was unreal and I believe the mashing section at the end might be the hardest in the entire game. Venat took me three attempts and I survived with a tiny fraction of health but I thought that was the point that you barely survive to show how strong she is. Is a beautiful moment. Is not MSQ but the hardest solo duty is definetly the one in the four lords.That took me several tries because Tataru just sucks at doing mechanics xD.
@chrisanderson7820
@chrisanderson7820 5 месяцев назад
The solo duty versus Venat was WAAAAAAAY harder than the fight against Zenos. Also, the very very very first MSQ fight in FF14 where you actually have to truly pay attention is Ravana in HW. While tame by today's standards when you first come through as a sprout, with 7 other sprouts, it comes as a sudden shock where you have to sit up and actually play after a wipe and actually decipher some mechanics that aren't just "don't stand in orange".
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
That is an interesting point about Ravana! I am relatively confident it can be beaten with a few players being clueless, but I do see what you mean that the fight lasts long enough that you start to have to pay attention!
@HayTatsuko
@HayTatsuko 5 месяцев назад
Porta Decumana really seems to surprise some new players. I've run it a few hundred times and am happy when it takes only one blast from City Buster to convince my first-timer teammate(s) not to stand a second time in front of that big green orb that Ulty is summoning. The sheer amount of incoming damage from the Tank Purge raidwide, the Homing Ray spread markers, and the Laser Focus stack is enough to keep even an experienced healer on their toes, especially when teammates also get whacked a bunch by the avoidable mechanics. It's easy to get caught out by some of those as a new visitor, though. One of the things I would love to see more is Magic DPS using Addle and Melee DPS using Feint in there on the raidwide attacks. Addle is especially effective because every little thing Ultima Weapon does is _magic._ Yes, even the auto-attacks! I don't think the game does a great job of pointing out to players of that level that they have those mitigations that absolutely can help in a boss fight when used at the right times.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
Very good point about feint and addle! I think often that newer players find this difficult to grasp because it is pretty common to step into ffxiv with the mindset of using defensive cooldowns as "panic buttons", and as a dps this is even more likely. Add to that that they can't possibly know for sure what attacks will hit them on their first time, and how often players might think a bit selfishly in such situations, and it is very easy to see why these cooldowns never get used much 😅 unfortunately it also tends to translate into a lot of high level players not using these cooldowns either, partly because they don't know, and also because some of them reach the point of "well it won't kill us anyway so why bother", which isn't a great mindset but not uncommon 😅 But you are absolutely right that those cooldowns really would help as well in the Ultima weapon fight!
@antizombiepasbeaux
@antizombiepasbeaux 5 месяцев назад
While i never struggled against any msq content. I have a friend who litteraly dropped from the game. They were tired of leveling slowly so they bought their way to shadowbringer. Just to find out that they lacked the skill to clear the very first dungeon, yes, the very first one. They were a NIN and didn't bother using duty finder as it was too long to find a group. So they never got caried and never managed to clear it on their own with npcs. That was quite sad to see them uninstal after 2 days straight of try
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
Yeah, I never struggled either, but many of the fights on this list are there because I've observed people have trouble with them in varying degrees (apparently, I completely missed a certain venat fight in that way!) It is unfortunate they paid to skip all the training on the way only to find their skills lacking at higher levels. It isn't the first time I've seen this happen, but it does suck 😢
@sjacpswbs03162005
@sjacpswbs03162005 5 месяцев назад
I would say holminster is not an easy dungeon either so that really didn’t help anything
@NanoElite666
@NanoElite666 5 месяцев назад
The reworked Cape Westwind surprised me when I got to it while taking a second character through ARR. Rhitatyhn went from being a joke that I would try to convince the rest of the party to take all of our gear off and auto-attack him to death to being an actual proper fight that I had to pay attention to. Good on him.
@zeelyweely1590
@zeelyweely1590 5 месяцев назад
I actually had an FC member who got SO hard stuck on the final boss (the last solo duty in EW) that they actually quit the game for a bit and had to come back later. It's definitely a hard fight and I beat it with no lives remaining, but DAMN man it wasn't THAT hard 😂 Fun fact! You actually keep your dynamis stacks through the transition from the trial to the final boss. I died once on the trial and had one less for the solo duty, which added SOOOO much to it for me.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
That's certainly an unfortunate part to get stuck on, right at the grand finale of the story! ☹️
@Itama22
@Itama22 5 месяцев назад
Although it's not a MSQ but a Job Quest I want to mention it, since I don't see a lot of people talking about it, but the Monk lvl 68 Job Quest is probably the hardest solo duty I did in the whole game. I remember when I did this quest, there were like 3 other players around the quest NPC, probably dying in that quest over and over again aswell xD It's one of the few quests, where you have to utilize breaking line of sight, because of the amount of ranged enemies and be very efficient with your self healing tools, otherwise you simply get overwhelmed. I still can't believe how square thought it's fine to throw you, a a simple monk, against 5 melee dudes + a Boss that does heavy tank busters and that calls 10 more ranged/melee dudes + a caster dude that creates area denial puddles. And you can't just simply aoe kill them all, because they have a "normal" amount of HP.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
A great example! Other ones I've heard often listed as brutally hard job quests include the blm lvl 60 one I think, and the RDM lvl 60 one, so it does not surprise me to hear there are more insanely hard job quests randomly sprinkled out!
@sdrawkcabdaer3278
@sdrawkcabdaer3278 5 месяцев назад
I think that the lvl 60 Scholar quest is rather difficult, because you constantly have to Esuna the NPCs in the solo duty to prevent them from turning into tonberrys, but it's really annoying to keep track of which ones have the debuff because NPCs don't show up on the party list. When the duty was first created, Scholars had Fey Caress, a mass Esuna, which probably made the duty easier, but they've since removed it.
@die-mango-tv7134
@die-mango-tv7134 2 месяца назад
the fact that you didn't even mention the Venat fight with it's tight DPS check inside of a solo duty really surprised me honestly.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 2 месяца назад
I actually made a follow up video that included that one! 😊 Here's a link if you are interested: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-JeXly5sGIYQ.htmlsi=B2mlAncrCAHmAT1N
@billy65bob
@billy65bob 5 месяцев назад
With the MSQ, I've had trouble with 2 duties: 1. Aurum Vale: This is the first duty that requires a Healer to actually heal 2. various "Role Play" duties, Hien's in particular was quite tough around the Ghimlyt Dark. The rest didn't give me much trouble, though I found their button order very unpleasant (couldn't reorder them before EW). Don't think anything else MSQ gave me trouble, but there is a lot non-MSQ that gives me a lot of trouble. 1. Azulmagia: I genuinely gave up on BLU because it's a massive pain to waste 15m to get to stage 3 and just wipe 2. BLM Solo Duties: These are very tough and overtuned. mitigated somewhat by gearing up with endgame gear 3. RDM's level 60 finale: This boss fight is impossible without endgame gear, even on 'very easy'.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
Fun fact! Aurum vale is an optional dungeon, but can easily be mistaken for MSQ because it is required for ranking up in your grand company (which is technically also optional!) I do recall the red mage quest required me to get at least level 60 gear from stormblood to overcome ages ago before difficulty options were a thing! 😅
@Pikachu790
@Pikachu790 4 месяца назад
While I don’t think it’s very difficult on the player itself, there’s that one fight from ARR where you accompany Captain Ilberd that has gotten me and another friend to retry it at least once. (I forget it’s name). I had to switch to WHM to heal Ilberd since he draws enemy attention too much and there’s not enough healing for you to tank the enemies yourself. This was forever ago though, so it could’ve also just been a skill issue lol
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 4 месяца назад
Indeed, I've heard this mentioned a few times! I don't know if it is as hard now but it is understandable it would be tough!
@needlemier
@needlemier 5 месяцев назад
I’ve been getting the first EW trial through Mentor Roulette and you can wipe a lot if not enough people are alive for the stack, making it rough for people newer to the fight
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
Oh I could imagine that! I can't recall if it is a multi hit stack, but usually in casual content you can "dodge" a wipe by simply letting the single person with the marker go down with it. That's not always consistent with first timers of course, but I get what you mean!
@luneblush
@luneblush 5 месяцев назад
i love seat of sacrifice so much. but that dang button mashing. yoship heard us complain about the active time maneuvers and decided we should just suffer then. 😭😭
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
Active time maneuvers are really strange just in general 😅 but that one is particularly brutal with how you HAVE to succeed it or everyone loses!
@FreshLexo
@FreshLexo 5 месяцев назад
I did the ultima fight with trust NPCs as the tank. It was close but they pulled off the limit break in time. I actually did all the arr dungeons with trust NPCs. I suppose it takes longer but every run was a clean one shot.
@Viech54
@Viech54 5 месяцев назад
I'd have argued about Porta Decumana earlier, but I hard carried a run as a healer in MSQ roulette today, so there's that. Mechanics are for those who deign to do them, players are above that, of course. Or they just didn't know. But they should've seen quite a few similar mechanics up until that point, so not going to give them a free pass for not doing most mechanics. Final fight with Zenos: I didn't even know you only had 6 revives. I thought it was infinite. Chrysalis: Agreed. It's definitely possible to still wipe in this fight. It's not just the buffs that are extended 10 times, the debuffs as well. I'd have argued about some of the other duties, but this is for first time players (?), so it might be harder for them than it is for someone who did the duties a few times. A fight I'd mention is the Venat solo duty in EW. The DPS check can be tight if you're still new-ish (which is possible) or undergeared.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
Indeed, the venat fight seems like one I really just didn't notice as difficult both times I went through, but it turns out many players found it tough!
@coleyohley71
@coleyohley71 5 месяцев назад
The hardest one for me was, by far, the mothercrystal. I did all of the Shadowbringers and Endwalker MSQ duties with Trust, and Hydaelyn kicked my ass multiple times. It was the first time I really had to learn mechanics and pay attention to the boss, since the healers in Trust aren't very good at saving the player if they mess up.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
Add to that, that if you die, the fight starts over! Although I do seem to recall that they give you extra lives to make it easier similar to how the echo normally beefs the team up after wipes!
@merlinswife
@merlinswife 5 месяцев назад
in from the cold feels kind of like a survival horror type of quest. a lot of my friends have never played those kinds of games and they loathed that quest - which is totally understandable. i enjoyed it tbh but i can totally respect folks hating it
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
I wasn't the biggest fan either when I initially did it, but now I appreciate it a lot more! 😊
@_Snowflame
@_Snowflame 5 месяцев назад
Shout-out to my first run through the final Dungeon of Endwalker, The Dead Ends, wherein the healer and two Bards I was assigned to babysit kept getting hit by Caustic Grebuloff's AoEs that get blown by the wind, and there weren't enough brain cells between them to rub together and realize that the Doom debuff that attack puts on you can be cleansed by Esuna or Warden's Paean, before _or after_ being specifically instructed. Give PLD a res, and give PLD a cleanse. Please.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
It's one of those fights where I usually give a little tip as we walk up to the boss "it's easier if you have the wind in your back!" implying if you go closer to the side the wind is coming from it's a lot easier! 😅
@Saieden
@Saieden 5 месяцев назад
Venat as mentioned, but also Ran'jit Eulmore, specifically because I did it with BLM.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
Oh I could imagine blm would be a nightmare for that one. Thinking about it, I do feel like I remember complaining that I had to move so much as a dragoon myself 😂
@Saieden
@Saieden 5 месяцев назад
@@CaetsuChaijiCh I found it super satisfying 😅
@lmollea
@lmollea 4 месяца назад
Thumbs up for: in for the cold (afair finding your way is also not simple) and the rework of Ascian Prime. Porta Decumana part 2 would be hard only for a group of new players who never have considered limit break. This days, quite improbable. I do find that the first Titan (the 4-man trial @ level ~25) is actually a hard one ... when you're new to the game. Lots of mechanics are unseen before, there's multiple way you can die or wipe and it just shows how the game can be challenging. I also had some hard time with the Nadaam, especially understanding who to target in the end to avoid wipe.
@meimmakoto3224
@meimmakoto3224 5 месяцев назад
I think you forgot to mention two trials that just released: Golbez and Zeromus. Both are definitely super challenging fights especially Golbez because that fight is essentially a tiny ex thanks to the meteor towers
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
The problem with both of these fights is that if you are, say, a dps and you die, that isn't a problem. Neither fight puts a particularly heavy burden on your responsibility, which is something I tried to focus on. You can be carried through both fights, although you are absolutely right that they are both fights that require the majority of the group to know what they are doing 😊
@meimmakoto3224
@meimmakoto3224 5 месяцев назад
Ah ok. Golbez for me was like a sheer WOAH factor when I did it because knowing extreme mechanics was why I figured out how certain parts worked. I see what you mean tho there's less of a burden of responsibility in many of these fights but I still think the meteor knockback will trip a few players up since it always managed to mess up ex party finders back in the day XD
@phillipmcmurtry4724
@phillipmcmurtry4724 5 месяцев назад
Yeah.... I'mma need you to add Worthy of his Back into those honorable mentions XP The fight against Venat is an excellent and challenging dance, but that orb phase is just brutal. The orbs start too far away to AOE ythem down, forcing you to attempt to start on one of them transfer into AoE oncce they are closer together at which point you only have seconds before they reach Venat. And did I mention you have to dodge explosions that give damage down during this DPS check? Yeah.... to this day this is the only duty I have had to lower the difficulty (and my signal that the actual hard content is probably not for me)
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
Based on how many mentioned the venat fight, I feel like an honorable mention would be underselling it. Honestly I had completely forgotten it because I never failed it myself 😅 but as people explain it I can see why it would be brutal!
@shadowofchaos725
@shadowofchaos725 4 месяца назад
The weirdest thing about Nabriales is that you're supposed to run away to make sure the dot he gives you doesn't stay on you forever when he sucks you in. But because of item level tuning, most people ignore that. Hell most people don't know about it. It kills the tanks (and therefore you) with the meteors at min ilvl.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 4 месяца назад
Indeed, the kind of mechanic where you don't wipe enough to it to ever really notice!
@Telamont
@Telamont 5 месяцев назад
Only thing I personally had an issue with repeatedly is that damn group button mash in Seat of Sacrifice. The number of times we had people straight up leave a group because someone kept failing it is unreasonable. It's a prog lock that relies on having 7 other people that can do it as well and if someone in the group is having a lag issue you're more or less screwed.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
Oh that is an interesting point! Most people say the mash is shockingly easy, but I had never considered that lag could make it impossible!
@Stallord2292
@Stallord2292 5 месяцев назад
It's probably somewhat job-dependent but I actually died to Sadu in her post-credits fight in Stormblood (playing Black Mage), and found her more challenging than any of the Zenos fights.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
I've heard that Sadu, Venat and also the Solo Duty Lakshmi fights especially are some I really missed, so that is perfectly understandable!
@emmeownelan2076
@emmeownelan2076 5 месяцев назад
The hardest for me, back when I was a sprout, was the Nadaam. I failed it multiple times back then, and it didn't help that I started during Stormblood, so there was no difficulty settings on solo instances
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
Oh yeah, I do recall hearing before that the nadaam was really tough for some players especially back in stormblood!
@DarthStuticus
@DarthStuticus 5 месяцев назад
I tried to do the Venat duty as BLM on a second playthrough. (I wanted to make a point of doing everything MSQ as BLM.) Unless there was something big i was missing, it required basically perfect play at the last part and it took me 15-20 tries. my first time in I think i did it with sage? or maybee SMN or RDM and it was trivial. I didn't even notice it was supposed to be hard. I failed in from the cold the first time in before the nerf because the order you do things matters and I had no idea what i was supposed to do. It was easy once i figured out WHAT to do, even if it took me a bit to find where again.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
That is quite brutal! I imagine the fight is at least partly adjusted to what role you play, maybe it also adjusts based on what job you play! If so it makes sense how blm might be particularly difficult where other jobs have no problem!
@DarthStuticus
@DarthStuticus 5 месяцев назад
@@CaetsuChaijiCh You HAVE to save both triple cast and swift for the last phase. and get a bit lucky with RNG orange on the ground. cast times are too long so if you have to interrupt a cast, you WILL fail. BLM is the only job that has this issue since healer jobs are fast cast times.
@Osteichthyes
@Osteichthyes 5 месяцев назад
Hardest quest for me was the original Steps of Faith (against Vishap) before it was nerfed into oblivion, then changed to a solo encounter. This fight had two main issues: A) The DPS check was quite high even if you used all the traps correctly. Many people did not use these correctly. Trying to DPS it down without the massive damage from these traps was basically impossible. It was so intense that even if you did things perfectly you wouldn't have much bridge left. B) You literally could not wipe or reset. If you died you could return to the start arena, run all the way back to Vishap and continue fighting. This sounds fun until you know that you couldn't meet the DPS check, then you just sat around waiting for Vishap to slowly walk the rest of the way before you could try again. It is the single encounter that I have seen more people insta-drop from since my time back in beta to this very day.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
That is quite interesting! I wonder if part of what made it easier was also power creep over the years!
@Osteichthyes
@Osteichthyes 5 месяцев назад
Part, but we are talking about having it's health cut by about a half. It was REALLY noticeable. It was changed before Heavensward came out as it caused a massive roadblock of people not being able to do it, and not being able to find people who stuck around for it. Seeing as it came out in 2.55 and was nerfed in 2.57, yeah it was extreme.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
@Osteichthyes aaah right i see. I suppose it made sense to nerf it once there was no need for it to be any kind of time sink in a way 😂
@bobseesall
@bobseesall 5 месяцев назад
I got a little bit of ptsd from day 1 Titania. So many wipes to giant add phase.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
The clip I showed in the video was just a random run I did for the video too, and that phase reached 99 as well! It is really a fight that can go south real fast, so I can imagine day 1 was a nightmare too!
@kaizmak
@kaizmak 5 месяцев назад
Venat fight is hardest fight using BLM, the last phases of orbs struggle me😢
@dtzkara1962
@dtzkara1962 5 месяцев назад
There's a solo duty before the end of ARR with a bunch of robots that was impossibly hard. I think it had Ilbert in it? That was a terror. Also since i only played black mage everything was such a chore to kill in solo duties until later.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
Oooh i think I know what you are talking about! That is a bit surprising but I can imagine how it would be challenging. I remember being confused by it!
@dtzkara1962
@dtzkara1962 5 месяцев назад
@@CaetsuChaijiCh basically a full dps check the whole duty, not nice when i had to hop around to dodge aoe's xD
@ritathekiwi
@ritathekiwi 5 месяцев назад
One dungeon that I always dread getting in roulette is Sunken Temple of Qarn. I've found that the first couple of packs and boss have been challenging for many sprouts I've matched with. As for many it's their first introduction of moves like Final Sting which is near-leathal from full hp, and first instance of the doom mechanic. It's also at that awkward level where healers and tanks don't quite have enough abilities to comfortably pull larger packs unless they are completely in-sync. While for experienced players this is nothing and not hard in any sense to us, and normally we wouldn't think twice on this but I'd say it's probably the first difficulty spike for new players and worth a mention. Also honestly it's probably the dungeon I have wiped most in, and it's always in that first section with new players. XD
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
It can be seen as a significant difficulty spike, but it doesn't put very much individual responsibility on anyone 😁 It does make sense for it to rank rather high on difficulty in part due to mean mechanics like the platforms on the first boss!
@sjacpswbs03162005
@sjacpswbs03162005 5 месяцев назад
I’ve the opposite problem sometimes - an experienced player insisting on doing it properly and not skip the rooms because 11 ice shards was great loot apparently (had to manually speed up by pulling ahead or triggering the scales halfway through the last pack)
@ArmageddonEvil
@ArmageddonEvil 4 месяца назад
Even though, you chosen the hardest for #1 it was hilariously fun as the same job as Zenos. He was 100% the best end solo duty ever created. Thank god he's gone but he'll be remembered for his battle lust. XD
@q.n.k7148
@q.n.k7148 5 месяцев назад
Edit: nabirales people keep using lb on him I remember rhitahtyn go what because he almost deleted my hp but i beat him first try unlike my friend who got his ... kicked and beat him on easy (to be fair he didnt know you could step into the aoes after the indicators disappear). While i can only talk about arr, personally i only failed ultima weapon once but we managed the 2nd try after the dps to the bard to use his cds (still cant believe that worked). Also for ultimate weapon u can lb in phase 1 after ifrit nuke and in phase 2 when he casts ultima before the free lb 3.
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
Indeed! You get quite a few lb1s in the fight as well 😊
@honeymustarrd
@honeymustarrd 5 месяцев назад
The last quest in the ShB patches with that big battle where you have to play different characters made me so frustrated i was thinking about giving my account data to another person and having them do it for me
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
I actually have a friend who had a similar experience back in shadowbringers! It is quite mean with so many things you need to learn for that fight specifically!
@sjacpswbs03162005
@sjacpswbs03162005 5 месяцев назад
I had so much trouble with Sadu’s fight, then it’s the fight with hien, y’shtola and little sun, then yes the venat fight too honestly they are so bad Oh the one with lakshimi with you and arenvald that was memorable too
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
Yeah it seems like those are the ones I forgot to mention primarily in the list! 😅😁
@SREDISKRAD
@SREDISKRAD 5 месяцев назад
I got lucky doing the stealth missions and "In from the Cold" on my first try. I remember waiting after that quest for almost an hour waiting on a friend to clear it - able to do nothing but laugh at their frustrations even after I explained what I gleaned from my run. I haven't tried all of the reworked content from HW onwards yet but still to this day only one quest has ever been ludicrous for me. The only solo duty I ever had to set to "very easy" was the lvl 60 BLM class quest. I will admit, I do not like Black Mage and do not claim to be good, it is one of my weakest jobs along with Monk, Ninja and Bard - simply because I do not like them XD
@CaetsuChaijiCh
@CaetsuChaijiCh 5 месяцев назад
Indeed, I haven't personally had issues overcoming any solo duty, but I could put this list together from fights where I remembered feeling challenged, or on the ropes! 😁 Quite funny story with the in from the cold!
@SREDISKRAD
@SREDISKRAD 5 месяцев назад
@@CaetsuChaijiCh Schadenfreude is always funnier amongst friends. I don't mind MSQ being easier and more accessible. I wish there was a difficulty between "Normal" and "Extreme" which was intentionally difficult, but also intended to be queueable content.
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