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Ten Terrible Reason to not Vote (and two good ones) 

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In which Hank wants to make it very clear that you really should vote if you can.
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@TolarianCommunityCollege
@TolarianCommunityCollege 10 лет назад
“People in debt become hopeless and hopeless people don’t vote. They always say that that everyone should vote but I think that if the poor in Britain or the United States turned out and voted for people that represented their interests there would be a real democratic revolution.” -- Tony Benn
@alexzarandi9165
@alexzarandi9165 10 лет назад
People who don't want to vote don't deserve a vote, they are either apathetic to an elections outcome and will complain anyway, or they are uneducated on the matter and their vote has no real meaning as they are unaware of the effect on policy it will have. Also, Benn was a truly incompetent politician, and the general consensus among economists was that his policies would have destroyed British industry.
@FieldMarshalFry
@FieldMarshalFry 10 лет назад
unfortunately UKIP have convinced the poor that it's all the fault of the EU and immigrants
@kennyc002
@kennyc002 10 лет назад
Alex Zarandi At the same time, there are people who can't vote either. There are many people who just simply don't have the means to vote (i.e. having the choice of voting vs putting food on the table that day), and certainly there are many more who have had their rights restricted, such as many of the states that don't have same day registration or states that have been closing down polling stations in unfavourable districts. It's not simply black and white.
@DynamiA3
@DynamiA3 10 лет назад
Alex Zarandi If a person doesn't vote, the candidate/issue doesn't get a vote. Who or what they would have chosen if they did vote doesn't magically get a vote if that person didn't vote. So your complaint makes no sense. Unless you mean that if a person doesn't vote one time, they shouldn't be allowed to vote, ever. That's just stupid. Maybe they were apathetic one year, but then took an interest another. And even if they don't care much for politics, that is in no way indicative of how deserving they are of a vote. You don't get asked, "On a scale of 1 to 10, how much do you care about this election?" because that's not how votes are counted. If they were, it would be a pretty shit democracy, if you could even call it that. If you are a citizen of legal age in your country, you have the RIGHT to vote. Doesn't matter how enthusiastic you are. And if people want to complain about whatever they voted for, then, by all means, let them complain. Freedom of speech. Pretty much your comment makes it sound like you're whining. "Wahhh! Poor me, I care so much that I care so much for elections that I am against the basic democratic right of universal suffrage because some humans don't care as much as me! Booo, wah, where's my binky?" Grow up.
@vlogbrothers
@vlogbrothers 10 лет назад
There is truth to this...but the poor do vote...especially African Americans, who have seen change happen and understand their power. People who are disenfranchised often don't feel like they are part of the process, but that can be changed. Voting is one way for that change to happen.
@atenololgrl
@atenololgrl 10 лет назад
As an unmarried, non land-owning female, even though I can sometimes be disillusioned about the process - I vote on the sheer principle. Several of my family members served in the military and less than 100 years ago several women dedicated their entire lives to getting the vote for those who were denied the right. It's my part. It's the least I can do.
@TBomb15
@TBomb15 8 лет назад
vote cthulu 2016. He may be the greater of two evils, but at least you know where he stands.
@General12th
@General12th 8 лет назад
Yes, I know exactly where he stands. He's standing on my soul.
@ghuegel
@ghuegel 10 лет назад
Please god do *not* vote if you don't have a good understanding of who or what you're voting on. Too many people do too little research and vote anyway. And it's OK to leave your ballot mostly empty because you don't only have an informed opinion about a few of the issues/positions.
@kittyvalium6517
@kittyvalium6517 10 лет назад
Cant tell if youre conservative or liberal, cuz conservatives dont want people to vote at all, and liberals dont want stupid people who get all their info from fox news to vote
@ghuegel
@ghuegel 10 лет назад
kittyvalium Conservatives want people who vote liberal not to vote... conservatives often try to make voting more difficult because any difficulties will hit poorer people harder, and poorer people tend to vote liberal. I'd rather have people do a good amount of research and then vote. Without enough information, people will vote based on bad reasons, often just for who did a better job of advertising. I don't think my own political stances have anything to do with my opinion here.
@Data3rror
@Data3rror 10 лет назад
This is precisely the reason why I'm not voting this year; I just moved across states in early October, so I don't feel comfortable voting for unfamiliar representatives for an unfamiliar region (I know enough at this point to safely check roughly two options on the entire ballot). Not feeling confident in your ability to make a responsible choice is a strong, sensible reason to abstain.
@lloydy272
@lloydy272 10 лет назад
ghuegel I want all people to be educated on the matter they are voting on but this cannot be enforced. People think they are well informed when they are not and therefore in your scenario you have people who think they are informed voting. I think there is also a bias in this so one political party would win (hence why people want your political affiliation, which should not matter but in practice could do). Most people do not have advanced degrees in economics so should anyone without a PhD in economics vote because they cannot possibly be truly informed? After All people with respected degrees end up doing some very stupid things in politics anyway, so that is not a good metric IMHO.
@Nagarath16
@Nagarath16 10 лет назад
kittyvalium I think s/he isn't ether (/it doesn't matter). ghuegel is just wise and gives a good advice.
@julianalbertoarcesanchez964
@julianalbertoarcesanchez964 10 лет назад
I think it's quite sad, Hank, all the negative comments on this video - not of people who think different, but people who are simply jaded, or tired, or hopeless. It is a rather similar thing with people in my country (Colombia); and perhaps the greatest threat to democracy is apathy. It is quite ironic, that of almost 200 years of fighting for equal representation, in some many different countries with such different ideologies, people are actually saying by their inaction that they don't want to have a say in how things are run. I do not know if they don't want to think about it, or don't want the responsability, or simply feel that "political things" affect them in any way... but it is very, very sad. Sorry for the sad post - but hurray for all of you who vote and inform yourselves, wherever you are in the world.
@vlogbrothers
@vlogbrothers 10 лет назад
Thank you for this comment..."The Greatest Threat to Democracy is Apathy" is a quote I wish I'd had when I made this video. I have also been discouraged by the negative comments...they largely make no sense and don't even agree with themselves. "The country's so messed up, don't vote" has a lot more to do with depression than activism.
@munstergirl25
@munstergirl25 10 лет назад
***** I think many young people today just take democracy for granted. Many are delusioned by it, but few imagine where we would be without it. People don't seem to understand that voting become a civil duty in a democracy and not voting destabilises democracies . To all of you, who say your vote doesn't matter, please consider that it is mostly moderate voters (the average Person), who doesn't vote. Radicals willl go vote, every single time and every time that you don't, you are giving them power. This may not be as drastic in the US with a two-Party System, but it's still true. I've sat in local elections, counting ballots with 30% representation and seeing radical parties scoring disproportionally high. That's one of the reasons I volunteer in Schools, etc. to mobilise people to vote. I know it sounds corny, but people fought and sometimes died to give you a vote, unless you have a very good reason not to, I think you should honour them by voting.
@jml21000
@jml21000 10 лет назад
***** Hank you need to do another video on the 'protest by not voting' excuse alone. It is the one I see most often, the one that is most scary, and the one that so badly needs debunking.
@jasonkonas
@jasonkonas 10 лет назад
***** Great video. On another note, I had no idea you were into acting. I just saw you on that new trailer for Ex Machina. You were fantastic in that trailer. Kudos!
@Sykdude
@Sykdude 10 лет назад
munstergirl25 For sure. Not to get crotchety, but it is pretty much the attitude of most Gen Y'ers. Most informed and connected generation. To busy being bitter and downright unpleasant to take simple steps towards making their country better. In fact any sense of patriotism and energy towards making us better is only met with a sarcastic, 'merica, it is kind of sad. More sad because it's my generation.
@TheMadisonMachine
@TheMadisonMachine 8 лет назад
Some issues I have with this video 1) The 1% does have way more impact on elections, but it's not because they vote more than the rest of the 99%. The rich make significant financial donations for politicians who steer the direction of the government in the rich people's favor. In an ideal clone of the US, frequency and kind of laws passed would match the countrymen's interest, but in our world, a bill has about a third of a chance of being passed regardless of interest in the matter. The 1%, however, have a much more significant 61% chance of getting a bill passed in their interests due to their financial power enabling them to hire lobbyists, buy politicians, and smother opposition in media. CNN ran a poll after the Democratic Debate over which candidate won the debate, with Bernie Sanders taking a strong lead over Hillary Clinton. CNN, a major contributor to Hillary's campaign, removed the poll from the website and reported her triumph over Sanders all over media, despite her having much squishier answers to prompts and refusing to talk about the Black Lives Matter movement, while Sanders pushed for things the common people want. 2) The United Sates of America is not a democracy, or it would be called that in every text book in the world. It is a republic. Citizens' votes individually do not matter, nor do they directly affect elections. They are suggestions to elected representatives at the town, county, state, and federal level. While Americans can elect these representatives, it is all too easy for them to become corrupt.
@cantcurecancer
@cantcurecancer 10 лет назад
I'm sick of all these pretentious people telling me to vote. It's so easy to sit on your horse and claim that all people who don't vote are slackers and are disengaged. That is a fallacy that both liberals and conservatives have bought in to. Hey liberals, with the fight against ISIS, which side are you on? ISIS' side or Assad's side? What? You want to opt out and let the region deal with the problems? It's almost as if you were never presented a real choice to begin with and you are simply not playing the game. Our voting system is completely fucked up and the people that parrot the "get out and vote" don't actually understand our political system. Because if you did understand how ineffective our voting system has become, you'd realize how un-sophisticated your "voting matters" chants sound. Maybe if we took the money out of politics, more people would vote and be less dissuaded by the rhetoric. Maybe if we got rid of First Past the Post conditions, our representatives would be more...representative of the population Maybe if we got rid of the electoral college, we'd get a better president that's for the people instead of a president that's for the flyover states Maybe if we got rid of gerrymandering, incumbents would be more responsive to the constituents Maybe if we adopted the Alternative vote or something that got rid of the need for strategic voting, 3rd party candidates would have an actual chance. Maybe if we made voting as easy as paying your cell phone bill, more people would vote. You can't change a single one of these problems with voting. Pretty much the only way to fix any of these problems is a revolution. If you want to take to the streets, I'm game, let me get my shoes. Become a leader, don't just keep spouting propaganda. To claim that there is never a reason to NOT vote is like saying there's no government so corrupt that will twist the rules any way they can to maintain the status quo. That's historically false and gives the impression that any country that let's its people write a name on a fucking piece of paper is obviously a democracy.
@theIEndYOU
@theIEndYOU 10 лет назад
There were two good reasons in this video to not vote. You could've just said "I don't care" instead of wasting your own time writing that since not caring is an acceptable reason.
@kant12
@kant12 10 лет назад
For someone too lazy to vote you're sure motivated to be heard on an interweb forum.
@Kemanh200
@Kemanh200 10 лет назад
If that's how you feel, you've already been defeated, and are useless. Yeah, there's some bad crap, but things have happened that are counter to what the privileged wanted. So yeah, if you are a wet noodle who has already been beaten, then don't vote, but you really have no right to whine as you made no effort to change anything.
@HxH2011DRA
@HxH2011DRA 10 лет назад
***** why do people always assume when they hear revolution it has to be violent?
@mattkelly4881
@mattkelly4881 10 лет назад
MVcamera i want you to name a non-violent revolution. and to clarify by revolution i mean :a forcible overthrow of a government or social order in favor of a new system.
@PiandBooks
@PiandBooks 10 лет назад
As a 14 year old I cannot wait until am old enough to vote. I won't make excuses because no excuse is good enough for me not to vote, because I know it is a great privilege that some people in the world don't even have. Yes our system isn't perfect, but it's better than other countries and I'm grateful for that. I just hope young people won't continue to make excuses not to vote.
@lolpauve
@lolpauve 10 лет назад
PiandBooks If by your system you mean America then sorry, your vote doesn't really matter. Yes you can vote on one of the two candidates (or even one of the 3rd party candidates) but the way the system works right now, the people with money and influence choose which one of their lapdogs you get to vote for. Look at the 2012 election Mitt Romney: Batshit crazy, flip-flopper extraordinaire Barack Obama: Someone who lies to you and doesn't even want to lift a finger on trivial things like equal rights.
@GBD1000
@GBD1000 10 лет назад
lolpauve 1:28
@Cythil
@Cythil 10 лет назад
lolpauve Her vote matters. If it did not then people would not spend so much campaigning to get her vote. :P
@lolpauve
@lolpauve 10 лет назад
GBD1000 Cythil So tell me, how does this whole voting thing work? If you think it comes down to the vote, then, have you been living under a rock? Sure, her vote counts as much but a couple of things that don't count. 1) Who she gets to vote for (see presidential election of 2012, 5 idiots and a liar and coward. Wow) 2) How does one enforce that who you vote for keeps his or her word? See 2012. If you actually think you, the "people" control who is in whatever respective office of sufficient power for the rich to be concerned of then sorry, you should read up. If you want I can extrapolate by using examples. Also GBD1000 Merely using timestamps on a video makes you look like you don't know what you are talking about. Because what Hank Green is saying is, simply, incomplete in his statement. He should stick to what he knows, like science, until he knows enough.
@GBD1000
@GBD1000 10 лет назад
lolpauve You know what? Screw it, I don't live in America so I really don't care if you'd rather sit at home and cry about how "the goverment is the worst thing ever!!!" instead of actively trying to change something. I mean, it's not like that's the whole point of a democracy or anything.
@thomaswillard6267
@thomaswillard6267 9 лет назад
"My vote won't matter" May I introduce you to the Sorites paradox. You have a heap of sand. Removing an individual grain does not make it into a none heap. Therefore if this is repeated you are left with a single grain. Is a grain a heap? Or do heaps not exist? If the mass of votes is important, and removing your vote does not diminish the importance then eventually you will be reduced to a single vote in which case either all votes are important or importance does not matter.
@adamborison3054
@adamborison3054 8 лет назад
Under 18 and I wish I could switch places with anybody not voting.
@Waterboi505
@Waterboi505 8 лет назад
in curious what your most important issues are?
@MGFillhart
@MGFillhart 8 лет назад
tell me your issues and i will vote in your place, for very personal reasons i cannot myself vote for either candidate. the video takes a swing at the lesser of two evils and from vb's predictable fem-neolib-leftlite i'm sure he does see it that way. I'm just not up for voting in a shadowrun future over a starship troopers one.
@Waterboi505
@Waterboi505 8 лет назад
ninjamoonshine7 Gary Johnson is a great choice no matter how truly libertarian he is. If you're unsure who to vote for head to www.isidewith.com
@MGFillhart
@MGFillhart 8 лет назад
Waterboi505 I am a communist revisionist, Johnson is not an option for many reasons
@cirralisis2518
@cirralisis2518 8 лет назад
+ninjamoonshine7 Jill Stein with the Green party is basically a planet conscious communist
@afishynado6812
@afishynado6812 8 лет назад
I'm not American, but I think from an outsider's perspective (Australian) the most illogical and irrational thing in the democracy of America is the electoral college system for electing the president. While I understand at least in theory how this operates, the fact that it is ultimately a one shot - win the state, win all the votes from that state - rather than a representative proportion of votes per state seems ridiculous to me. Furthermore, I think the greatest arbitrary psychological barrier to people voting is how long (and I'm talking presidential race here) it goes for. Candidates from each side spend an entire trying to prove why their own party's other candidates are lying sacks of shit before they go on to face the other side's lying sacks of shit in the contest for all of the bananas. This lengthy process also leads to the prevalence of money in politics, and the big donations from big corporations that leads to the perception (and almost certainly reality) that politicians are bought and owned by the rich. Yes it is all well and good Hank to say that everyone has one vote, but Citizens United squashed the idea that everyone has access to the same freedom of speech. And... furthermore... who came up with the idea of holding elections on a tuesday? In Australia we hold elections on saturdays, because most people aren't working (although this is changing), and it isn't a pain in the arse to go and vote some place.
@rubyb666
@rubyb666 3 года назад
Also in australia we have compulsary voting
@moonjae-in12thpresidentofr20
@moonjae-in12thpresidentofr20 2 года назад
@@rubyb666 that’s not democratic. If you don’t support any of the people you should have a right to not vote. Is that constitutional for you guys anyway?
@esobelisk3110
@esobelisk3110 Год назад
@@moonjae-in12thpresidentofr20theoretically speaking you could just vote blank… like i get where you’re coming from, and i agree at least partially, but the ballot is anonymous. no one’s coming into the booth with you to make sure you’re making a decision. you can just put whatever.
@MatthewP408
@MatthewP408 8 лет назад
I say my vote doesn't matter, in the sense of the electoral college being the deciding thigng... But i still vote
@AdilAlsuhaim
@AdilAlsuhaim 8 лет назад
+Matt Pike This was made in 2014, a mid-elections year. voting for your senator, congressman, governor and the such and all those state ballot measures that do not involve the electoral college.
@Posty-vw9jc
@Posty-vw9jc 3 года назад
Your vote does count. Take for instance my states last governor election, it was decided by only 4000 votes in a really high turnout this time and went blue instead of red when we’re a deep red state. All but a few states have the all or nothing system for the electoral college. That means if you and others manage to get your party to the top you don’t just get a slight majority of the electoral votes but you get ALL of them. This gives small states incredible power to influence the election. It’s why Trump won and Hillary lost. The systems not going to change so learn how it works and play to it.
@MatthewP408
@MatthewP408 3 года назад
@@Posty-vw9jc 4 years ago Matt thanks you for your response lol
@Posty-vw9jc
@Posty-vw9jc 3 года назад
@@MatthewP408 oh shit, I didn’t even check the time stamp. I thought it was like this week, lol
@MatthewP408
@MatthewP408 3 года назад
@@Posty-vw9jc lmao. Your good my dude. I was just giving you a hard time
@Nimiety327
@Nimiety327 10 лет назад
If you're in a red state, and you vote democrat...you might as well have not voted at all. The Electoral College is what makes a lot of us feel like our votes don't matter much, in these situations.. they really don't. If someone can win the Popular vote but lose the presidential race because of the the Electoral College .. That can make you feel like your vote is worthless, unless you're in a swing state. Also, this is the main reason you don't see many political ads unless you are in a swing state, even the system knows our individual votes don't add up to much.
@danheidel
@danheidel 10 лет назад
I think it's somewhat acceptable to be jaded about national level elections. I live in a blue state and mostly vote blue and my vote at a national level usually feels about as useless as yours does. However, you are ignoring local and state level elections. These are what shape most of the legislation that actually affects you on a daily basis. These are often decided by very narrow margins. I live in a county with 2+ million people and incredibly important votes that affect transit, education and the environment regularly come down to vote margins of less than 100. Ignore the national level stuff if you want but get your ass out and vote on the local stuff. It matters and your vote is important there.
@Nimiety327
@Nimiety327 10 лет назад
Dan Heidel I have to agree with you about local stuff. That is much more important when it comes to individual votes, and they actually do matter. Thank you for pointing that out, it needed to be.
@frankharris7259
@frankharris7259 10 лет назад
This is why I think America has gone down the wrong track by having the federal government being too large. 1 vote in a population of 300 million isn't worth much. I feel if state governments had more power then people would have a chance to shape their state how they wanted to. I think it would be cool if we had a socialist state, a Libertarian state and a Green state. Then there would be somewhere in America for everyone and people could vote with their feet. The federal government is trying to impose one set of laws for 300 million people and of course those people disagree on fundamental issues.
@SilentBudgie
@SilentBudgie 10 лет назад
Gerrymandered safe seats are a huge problem in the US. But even when seat totals don't change, a stronger or weaker vote for the second place candidate still has the effect of pulling the political centre in one direction or the other.
@Nimiety327
@Nimiety327 10 лет назад
SilentBudgie Not true. The majority of Americans voted to for stricter gun laws, something like 90% of Americans agree? And we couldn't get it passed. Even when you have 90% of the vote, you can still lose to this rigged system
@Thaheadband33
@Thaheadband33 10 лет назад
Proud to say I am 18 and voted the first chance I got.
@JillH1995
@JillH1995 10 лет назад
I did too. I was so disappointed that I missed the 2012 election by less than two months. I ended up voting for the first time in an April election that only had local candidates, most of which were running unopposed.
@theslime6021
@theslime6021 10 лет назад
Sheep
@fossilfighters101
@fossilfighters101 10 лет назад
TheSlime Pigs.
@jonpetry
@jonpetry 10 лет назад
Good for you JJ. Ignore the idiots who claim that voting does not do anything. They are simply too ignorant and lazy to take responsibility for their own lives.
@Randomgen77
@Randomgen77 10 лет назад
Awesome- same here!
@elizabethblack7945
@elizabethblack7945 7 лет назад
'if you don't vote you can't complain about the results ' - my social studies teacher on election day
@theravenousrabbit3671
@theravenousrabbit3671 10 лет назад
Sorry, it doesn't matter... Politicians only do the bidding of their donor, if you look at the laws and etc that they put into place ONLY favor the rich. Sorry.
@RemnantTheCheese
@RemnantTheCheese 10 лет назад
***** They also almost never win
@SleepyFen
@SleepyFen 10 лет назад
Replace "politicians" with "republicans" and you have a true statement. Vote for democrats - the big companies hate them, and for a good reason, because they want to increase state regulations to make sure those companies aren't getting away with shady shit and price agreements.
@theravenousrabbit3671
@theravenousrabbit3671 10 лет назад
Jens Nielsen Take a look at Obama. He's continued almost every single Bush policy that caused the 2008 crash...
@SleepyFen
@SleepyFen 10 лет назад
You know how in politics there's an unwritten rule to not revert everything the previous government did because then we'd be back at square one every time presidency changes from one party to another? The people voted for Bush to destroy the country, so the people'll have their way and those policies will stay in place until the Democrats can find a gullible enough argument to remove them that Fox News and the Republican Party won't label it as government control and brainwash the public into rioting.
@Dronebertios_World
@Dronebertios_World 10 лет назад
Jens Nielsen sorry dude as a liberal I feel obligated to let you know you are wrong and that the money flows on botg sides of the isles at about the same pace.
@myheadhurtsify
@myheadhurtsify 10 лет назад
I've been living in this country since I was 4. I've always been very passionate about the things that need to change. I'm 18 now, I live in Texas, Gregg Abbott is about to elected governor and as an immigrant and a student I strongly disagree with his views, and I can't vote because I'm not a citizen. So even though I love this country and I've been living here for nearly 80% of my life, I have no voice and my opinion doesn't matter. The only thing worse than being a second class citizen is not being a citizen.
@kittyvalium6517
@kittyvalium6517 10 лет назад
There's conservatives for ya! They don't care about anyone but rich white people.
@AceandDuce
@AceandDuce 10 лет назад
So you an illegal boy - (Texas conservatives) :P
@HannahStebner
@HannahStebner 10 лет назад
Can't you become a citizen?
@eisbaeraurora
@eisbaeraurora 10 лет назад
kittyvalium Thank you for reminding me that Nerdfighteria is not the loving, all-embracing place it claims to be.
@ellock1998
@ellock1998 10 лет назад
If you plan on staying here, I would become a citizen. Then you can vote and make a difference. We need more people who care haha
@amihartz
@amihartz 10 лет назад
You didn't really answer the "lesser of two evils" thing right. It's like someone is telling me whether I want to vote to have some of my rights taken away, or more of my rights taken away. If I want neither, why can't I vote for neither?
@HaggyMacHaggster
@HaggyMacHaggster 10 лет назад
Third(fourth, etc) party is there, and if the 35-40% of people who don't vote did, they could easily get elected! THE CHOICE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE! Also often there are choices on the ballot not requiring voting for a person, but a choice on how your district/town/legislature/country is run, which is pretty great!
@amihartz
@amihartz 10 лет назад
Haggy MacHaggster Well, no, the choice isn't mine and mine alone. As you just said, ~40% of the people who didn't vote would have to. That's a lot of people.
@HaggyMacHaggster
@HaggyMacHaggster 10 лет назад
I was referring to the choice to go out and vote! That is yours and yours alone! Take part or not, it is a pretty sweet deal!
@amihartz
@amihartz 10 лет назад
Haggy MacHaggster To do what? Waste my time? The outcome of an election is usually pretty easy to predict. If you live in an extremely Republican place, a Republican is going to win. Unless you can figure out a way to educate everyone in a way where they'd actually care, voting against what's most popular is simply worthless. If you have no campaign, you have no victory. You want me to go out and vote for third parties, which is even more of a throw-away vote. Unless you're voting on pretty local elections, third party voting is a throwaway vote.
@WaterMelonFan1
@WaterMelonFan1 10 лет назад
Amelia Hartman Because people like you (that sounds harsh, sorry) are too lazy to vote. If you vote, you don't lose anything, so why don't invest 30 minutes?
@TolarianCommunityCollege
@TolarianCommunityCollege 10 лет назад
“I think democracy is the most revolutionary thing in the world….because if you have power you use it to meet the needs of you and your community.” --Tony Benn
@muhilan8540
@muhilan8540 9 лет назад
I love your channel. I didn't know you watched hank and john.
@evelfa
@evelfa 10 лет назад
I always vote because one of the only memories I have of my great grandmother was her telling me and my sister to always vote, because she was around when women couldn't vote and helped to fight for it so that her daughters and granddaughters will be able to enjoy that right. Can't very well say no to that!
@Goldenstar23
@Goldenstar23 9 лет назад
I absolutely love how fired up Hank is in this video...so much love for this
@scott98390
@scott98390 10 лет назад
Who you vote for is irrelevant; politicians pass legislation according to the cash put into their pockets by the corporate lobbies, not according to the desires of the people they represent. Discuss.
@rjfaber1991
@rjfaber1991 10 лет назад
Depends on what country you're talking about. If it's the US, I think you're talking absolute sense, but it's certainly not a universal phenomenon around the world...
@ottoros
@ottoros 10 лет назад
Vote the communists.
@xrespeckx7129
@xrespeckx7129 8 лет назад
just turned 18 and damn I do not want to deal with this shit but I can't sit here and not do anything about it.
@TriComStorm
@TriComStorm 8 лет назад
Lmao i turn 18 three months from election day
@ranaklindor8069
@ranaklindor8069 8 лет назад
+yab Tek I'm just leaving the Country. Gonna submit an Expression of Interest to New Zealand as soon as possible, then Australia, the UK, and lastly Canada.
@Lucy-ng7cw
@Lucy-ng7cw 8 лет назад
+Ranak Lindor In australia voting is compulsary
@ranaklindor8069
@ranaklindor8069 8 лет назад
Lucy Hunt Yeah... but you don't have Donald Trump as a valid candidate.
@Lucy-ng7cw
@Lucy-ng7cw 8 лет назад
Ranak Lindor We don't really have anyone that extreme but we don't have anyone good. We are to centred. Both parties are bascially the same. Read about Bill Shortan and Malcom Turnbull without knowing the parties and its pretty hard to know which is with which
@cronnyberg
@cronnyberg 10 лет назад
As a guy doing a degree in politics & considering a masters in electoral theory, I have a few problems with this video, most of which are highlighted by other comments, but what the hell: There are inherent problems with the electoral system employed by the UK & the USA. There are many strong arguments for majoritarian systems, but no-one can say they are absolutely perfect. In the last general election in the UK, if you remove votes for a candidate that lost, and remove excess votes that a candidate didn't need to beat their competitors, then only 28% of the vote in the UK directly attributed to a candidate getting a seat. My constituency is one of the strongest labour safe seats, and when the same MPs & councillors have been in power for multiple decades, it becomes easy to see why people feel that their vote is an acceptance of a system they don't agree with. If you don't agree with the electoral system, voting re-enforces the mandate of a system you dont want. In that instance, it is better to not vote, and to get politically active in other ways, such as joining pressure groups etc... Also, when people say that only the rich have power in elections, they DEFINITELY don't mean direct power through voting. its indirect power through all sorts of legal & illegal measures which are incredibly widespread. This kind of stuff can't just be explained away flippantly. I want to re-iterate that a lot of the reasons people have for not voting are bad, and if people dont vote because they dont know how etc... thats not good enough. However, there are very reasonable reasons to not vote.
@SarahSunshine2008
@SarahSunshine2008 10 лет назад
I don't vote anymore, because the people I vote for are controlled by big companies, lobbyists and so on. I know there are some people in Congress for example, that actually are looking out for us. But on the example of a supportive bill on local (organic) farming in the states a vote would never go through, because the people voting are supported in millions and millions by the big agricultural companies. So I choose to vote indirectly by making the choices in my life that I think are right. Fot example supporting local farmers cause they are the ones that actually produce what is yummy and dense in nutritional value. I feel better that way.
@SarahSunshine2008
@SarahSunshine2008 10 лет назад
Its basically putting my vote down through putting my money where I actually want it to go.
@SarahSunshine2008
@SarahSunshine2008 10 лет назад
I am from Germany btw and it's just the same here.
@radred609
@radred609 10 лет назад
But one of the reasons that the big companies hold so much power in the states is because so few people vote. (at least in the american system, i'm not to knowledgable about germany's system)
@fraserclayton7468
@fraserclayton7468 10 лет назад
Germany isn't that bad for representative democracy, you have more than two options. Also I know this is just my view but aren't there topics outside of organic farming that have a higher priority that want to make you vote because you care about them, you were probably using it as an example but what about the economy, government departmentans, social issues etc
@helios5868
@helios5868 10 лет назад
Vote for a third party. They may never win, but you aren't influencing the election as things stand anyway. At least you'll have expressed an opinion by voting.
@EpicuriousGeorge
@EpicuriousGeorge 10 лет назад
Also if you think that you're voting for the lesser of two evils, try voting third party for a change. Sure, your candidate probably won't win, but showing your support for a third party candidate can help to eventually legitimize alternate parties and turn the US away from a two-party system.
@IveGotToast
@IveGotToast 10 лет назад
In theory yes, but there are other factors, the main one being the media. All mainstream sources are bought off by the two parties (which are essentially the same party) and demonize and third party candidate.
@EpicuriousGeorge
@EpicuriousGeorge 10 лет назад
***** I said probably because the two-party system in dominant in most parts of the country, but you're right in that there are still plenty of local elections for city, county, and sometimes even state office which can frequently swing third party.
@HoYinCheng
@HoYinCheng 10 лет назад
I like the push to get people to vote, but you missed two very BIG reasons why some people don't vote or have trouble voting. 1. Gerrymandering has caused my vote to literally do nothing in a local election in my area. No amount of votership in my area, even 100%, will matter when I was artificially made into an very tiny minority. 2. For the presidency, the candidate that I really want to support is a 3rd, or godforbid, 4th party candidate. Due to the electoral college, our two party system is both inevitable and unbreakable. If I vote for who I want, I'd probably be hurting the lesser of two evils. But if I don't vote for who I want, I'm not actually making my true voice heard. So what do you do? Put these two reasons on top of being someone who needs to use an absentee ballot and I can tell you why I sure as hell don't vote. If you can counter both of these arguments convincingly AND make absentee ballot voting easier, then by all means. Try and convince me.
@juniperbug8699
@juniperbug8699 10 лет назад
I can understand that,, CGP Grey has made an entire video series about how we could fix it, maybe if enough people watch and it, and y'know write to those people we put into office maybe something might finally break through in there heads.
@robertofontiglia4148
@robertofontiglia4148 10 лет назад
TheMightyMongol A mighty mongol like you should know better than to try and write to these people. It's been a while since they've heard of the industrial shredder, and all the paper you send over there will most probably end up in their fireplaces. Writing is a good idea for a start, but you shouldn't think anything will come of it if you're not ready to go further. Go down in the streets, protest. Strike.
@MattSheehe
@MattSheehe 10 лет назад
Voting isn't binary. If everyone who opposes a "clear winner" candidate abstains, then they win 100/0 and start using words like "mandate", and act accordingly. But, if everyone votes, and they win 70/30, the message is there that they have to act carefully. If they rock the boat, then there's a chance they'll lose the next election by annoying the moderates into changing their vote and joining that 30% that is already opposed. Voting third party is similar. Enough votes for a third party indicate that there may be some value in a candidate from The Big Two adopting some of the third party's platform. ("Hey, I lost by 5%, and 7% of voters voted Third Party. Maybe if I add Third Party Candidate to my advisory staff, I can get some of those votes next time.") Also, there are some campaign rules in the US that, if a third-party candidate gets enough votes, that party is eligible for certain benefits in the next election - possibly even prime debate invitations.
@robertofontiglia4148
@robertofontiglia4148 10 лет назад
Matt Sheehe I'm angry with this sort of calculations. That's not what politics should be about. That's not what candidates should be thinking ("Oh great, I can get these people to back me up in my powertrip next time !")...
@HoYinCheng
@HoYinCheng 10 лет назад
TheMightyMongol I love CGP Grey's videos and his suggestions to fix the problem. But I've been aware of the problems with the system long before he made those videos. And I would be amazed if the system changed in my lifetime. So for me, it's more a matter of how to best spend my time and effort. While I lived in the US, I wrote and called my representatives quite frequently. Didn't change anything, but at least it made me heard more directly. Whereas voting didn't change squat due to the reasons I wrote above. Compound that with living outside the US, and you'd have to make a better argument than anything anyone has responded with to get me to vote. I think the best use of my time is to simply write (electronically) to my representatives. Absentee balloting is simply not worth the time and effort. Hell, it's even mentioned in the video - absentee balloting is not fun.
@27STS
@27STS 10 лет назад
"If you're not voting, no one is hearing your voice" What if there is no option that will represent me? Seriously, no one running in an election here is actually going to represent someone like me, and many other folks.
@sighcantthinkofaname
@sighcantthinkofaname 10 лет назад
Start a petition. Find lesser-known candidates and political parties that you do agree with and support them, even if they're small. Run for office yourself. It might not happen fast, but if you find people you do agree with and support them eventual their voice will be loud enough to make a difference.
@JoshSmith-db2of
@JoshSmith-db2of 10 лет назад
Then find the people that share your view. Stand together with your compatriots, and get your own candidate (heck, it could even be you!) into the race, and rally support for that candidate. Now I know that you're going to argue that the likelihood of success is negligible, but is it better to take the chance that you might accomplish something (which, by the way, you are 100% guaranteed to do: you are almost certainly able to learn something and grow to be a better person) or to ensure that you are never represented by never doing anything about it? Stand up for yourself. You DO have a voice, you just have to use it.
@mrcrowther3
@mrcrowther3 10 лет назад
Scratch a ballot. The more people of your demographic that vote, the more politicians are going to try to appeal to your demographic. They won't know who you voted for/if you scratched a ballot.
@SilentBudgie
@SilentBudgie 10 лет назад
With only a few exceptions, you can nominate any citizen in your area over 18 years old. There must be someone you like willing to put their name on a ballot.
@pyr666
@pyr666 10 лет назад
Laura Breeze "It might not happen fast, but if you find people you do agree with and support them eventual their voice will be loud enough to make a difference. "a nice sounding idea, but all available evidence, as well as political, social, and pschological theory suggests otherwise. our current system lead inevitably to a 2 party system. what we need if voting reform. what we're never going to get is voting reform, because both of the current parties know the system favors them.
@AbdelrahmanWahba
@AbdelrahmanWahba 10 лет назад
Hank, this is one of the very, very few comments I'm leaving on RU-vid. And I think it is going to be rather lengthy. I'm an 30yr old Egyptian guy who lived through the Egyptian revolution and the coup backed by the people. I used to vote even before the revolution in 2011 under the same beliefs that you have mentioned in the video. And when I asked people to vote I heard similar answers. Now, after the current "president", who is working vigorously to eliminate any political space or activity in Egypt, and has delayed the parliamentary elections so many times it seems to require us to take a time machine to reach them, and has made the people vote on a constitution that he transformed into toilet paper not-surprisingly (civilians get jailed without charge and get military trials, civilians in North Sinai are being deported out.of their homes under the belly of national security and are not compensated for their losses - that's just to mention stuff off the top of.my head), now voting in our country actually seems fruitless and in some cases risky. Cuz in some voting stations the organizers can intrude to see your vote and report you if you vote against state, since we live under a totalitarian state using democracy a make up. And even after we vote here in Egypt, we know for sure that we live in a lawless military run country that has the utmost disdain for civilians and humans in Egypt in general. What I'm trying to say, when I hear about people in the usa not voting, my blood boils and think that whoever is not voting is basically not appreciating the blessing you guys are having. We lived through losing friends and loved ones being killed on the streets beside us and being jailed for no f***ing reason just to get the right to vote and for us to matter here; and for the right to a better future, and we lost it. I think you should tell people to go vote or else they will end up being completely screwed, use us and other totalitarian authoritarian countries as an example. Sorry for this long comment and I really could hardly hold back all the cursing I had in mind, because this is a big deal that you can actually make a difference peacefully and without bribery or pulling strings that you don't have. If anyone doesn't want to vote, I'd trade passports with them instantly so they can live in a country that doesn't want them to vote and I'll live in the usa and promise you that I'll vote on every singe ballot, law, referendum, election or even beauty contest that allows me to vote.
@GalbertArt
@GalbertArt 8 лет назад
I don't want to vote for the lesser of two evils because the lesser of two evils is still evil! How is that hard to understand? I want to vote for someone who will represent me best, not for someone who won't represent me, but a little better. If the two party choices are awful, I'll vote for a 3rd party. And if everyone who felt the same did just that instead of feeling it was a waste of their vote, a third party candidate could actually have a chance.
@billyweed835
@billyweed835 8 лет назад
But they won't is the issue. You're throwing away your vote for the sake of your conscience remaining unmuddied.
@GalbertArt
@GalbertArt 8 лет назад
Billy Weed The only way to throw away a vote is to not vote. Voting for who you want is not a bad thing.
@billyweed835
@billyweed835 8 лет назад
Galbert If it won't do anything, it is. If anything, it's hurting Hillary who, good person or not, is much closer to what you want then Trump is.
@GalbertArt
@GalbertArt 8 лет назад
+Billy Weed it adds a vote to their tally, that's not nothing. And I don't think I've mentioned any of my desires in a candidate, but thanks for assuming.
@Akumu74
@Akumu74 8 лет назад
You are totally right. I think you would be interested in CGP Grey's videos on voting systems.
@kieranemcgarry
@kieranemcgarry 10 лет назад
I'm 20 and I just voted for the first time for my city's municipal election. The mayoral candiate I voted for didn't get in, but I still feel like I made a good choice. I researched the platforms for the mayoral candidates, the counselors, and the school board trustees. Literally no one I voted for got in, and finding information about the trustees was actually hell in a handbasket. But I think there's something to be said for personal satisfaction in knowing you did what you could. I did everything I could to vote for the people I thought would be best for the job. I think that's important. (I'm not American, but I think you might know a bit about Toronto's mayor - or ex-mayor now, Rob Ford... his brother was running for mayor, as well as another conservative candidate, and then a more liberal one. The other conservative candidate got in, so the politics aren't much different, but the hope is that we won't get into American news anymore bc that's hella embarassing)
@NathanAndRose
@NathanAndRose 10 лет назад
That's awesome that you put the time into voting! That sounds like more work than many people I know! And it is ok if the people you voted for didn't get office, because that's not the only thing that matters. Here is an example: We live in Kansas, a very strongly republican/conservative state. Because of this, many democratic voters I know think it is pointless to vote, since their vote won't do anything. Because of this, the democratic voters are extremely under-represented, because the officials in office think that there are WAY LESS democrats than there actually are, so they tend to make policies that are EVEN MORE conservative because they think that is what the people want. If they knew how many democrats their actually were, they would be more likely to push for more moderate policies, since they would be helping out even the people who didn't vote for them. So good job! Even if you don't have the popular vote, it is still so important that you make your voice heard :) -Nathan
@kieranemcgarry
@kieranemcgarry 10 лет назад
Thanks! Yeah, that's really important. And when it comes to provincial/federal elections, the not-popular vote is still super important because parties who don't win still get seats depending on how many people voted for them. :)
@MartyNozz
@MartyNozz 10 лет назад
The United States definitely is not a democracy because democracy is really mob rule. We are a representative republic with the individual rights of its citizens held in very high regard. That aside: I vote. I love voting. They give you little stickers, and they even give me extra stickers that say "I voted" which I put on the children to really confuse people. It is a shame that more people don't do their homework before they vote. We do have a right to vote, and such rights have some responsibility attacked to them. You really should know what you're voting for or against.
@shikakong
@shikakong 10 лет назад
Thats a "True Democracy". The representative democracy we have is still a democracy.
@alexsitaras6508
@alexsitaras6508 10 лет назад
it's the whole every square(republic) is a rectangle, but not every rectangle(democracy) is a square
@darksg1295
@darksg1295 10 лет назад
Democracy is a system of voting, the US is a Republic first of all because 1 of the electoral collage and 2 because of our laws
@phenagan001
@phenagan001 10 лет назад
Yep yep. Beat me to it. That's always been a huge gripe of mine. A republic, by its very definition, is a system in which the citizenry elect representatives to make the law. One can argue that the US has become more representative (e.g. eliminating property requirements, allowing all races and both genders to vote, etc.), but a democracy we are not.
@Yackielot
@Yackielot 10 лет назад
I've always hated that whole 'we're america and we are a republic, not a democracy!' The two are not mutually exclusive 1) A republic just means you don't have a monarch 2) You can be a democratic republic... or a authoritarian republic 3) Also, many states in the USA have direct democracy which is pretty much 'true democracy' 4) In a democracy no one thinks they are the mob... 5) Your first past the post system makes things less representative and more mob rule imo anyway For instance, first and foremost Australia is a Constitutional Monarchy.... however we are also very much a democracy Just as you (America) are first and foremost a Republic... however you are also very much a democracy.
@jeri9130
@jeri9130 10 лет назад
Thank you Hank, I needed this. I was not looking forward to voting, but now I'm kind of psyched up for it. Thanks again :)
@PIZZLEdeTWIZZLE
@PIZZLEdeTWIZZLE 10 лет назад
I am a Canadian living in the US. And from what I can see... Yes the voting can make a difference on who you vote for, but since it's now legal to corrupt politicians with approximately unlimited money, well, the big corporations are doing it ... on everybody. And politicians seems to focus more on raising money for their campaign than actually deciding anything. Nobody seems to have any convictions, and the few that do are being shut-down by the giant mass of politicians who wants nothing to change.
@PIZZLEdeTWIZZLE
@PIZZLEdeTWIZZLE 10 лет назад
I agree. When your best source of information is Colbert report or the daily show ... there is something wrong :(
@bvesey13
@bvesey13 10 лет назад
PIZZLEdeTWIZZLE Amen to that brother but thank goodness for shows like theirs.
@stiegmusic
@stiegmusic 10 лет назад
Some actual reasons not to always vote. *1.* Your vote, however significant it might be said to be, is garanteed to drown in a sea of other votes. *2.* The only differences between to political parties and candidates are minor things compared to what we're supposed to be discussing. All political candidates share the same fundamental ideology. *3.* Positions of power have a tendency to decrease the ability of those inhabiting them to empathise with the people "below" them. This is a documented fact, both through sociological and neurological studies. *4.* It is entirely unpractical to elect people to make economic decisions for the entire nation, or even smaller parts of it. Political representatives cannot know all the details required to make informed decisions over specific areas. The only ones who do are the combined intellects of the people inhabiting these areas. The only effecient mehod of governing is direct democratic federalism. *5.* By voting you are legitimising this ineffecient and undemocratic structure. *6.* Elections are massively affected by the propaganda released by either political party or candidate. Links have been drawn between the most successful political candidates and the ones with the greatest monetary backing. I'm not saying that we should never vote. I'm saying that voting is not the most important political action you can perform. If you should choose between trying to affect the system through voting or through activism with its basis in civil ddisobediance and direct action, choose the latter. Organise, agitate, demonstrate, strike, et.c.
@rickseiden1
@rickseiden1 10 лет назад
Hank, you're wrong about two things. First, our country is NOT a democracy. It's a Democratic Republic. Democracies directly elect their leaders. Republics elect people to elect their leaders. Our country is a mix of the two. We vote directly for the Senate and Congress, but not for the President. That means our country is not a democracy. Second, there are times when your vote doesn't matter. Case in point. 2000 elections. Florida was contested. We all heard about hanging chads. Every vote was counted and recounted. Court cases took place. Seems like that would indicate your vote counts. Unfortunately, the same exact thing was going on in Utah at the time. But, Utah didn't have enough electorates to swing the election either way. If Florida went to Gore and Utah to Bush, Gore would win. If Florida went to Bush and Utah went to Gore, Bush would win. Literally, not a single vote in the state of Utah mattered that day. Not one. The 2000 elections also support my first statement that we're not a democracy. When you look at the democratic vote of that election, Gore was the clear winner. More people who went to the poles said they wanted Gore to be president. But we're not a true democracy, so the election went to Bush. I want to stress that I'm not saying one candidate in that election is better than the other. Nor am I saying that you're wrong about the need to vote. People should go out and vote. If they don't, they can't complain.
@parkerdixon-word6295
@parkerdixon-word6295 10 лет назад
I am now 18+2 months,and alI got registered. Vote: all that is required for idiots and bad politicians to get elected is for sensible people to do nothing.
@DMitsukirules
@DMitsukirules 10 лет назад
***** And the problem with voting is you end up picking your inferiors to govern you.
@DMitsukirules
@DMitsukirules 10 лет назад
***** If you knew anything about statistics, you would know it will always be a guarantee, unless you are really stupid.
@parkerdixon-word6295
@parkerdixon-word6295 10 лет назад
DMitsuki Wow. Condescending RU-vidr is Condescending.
@nolanthiessen1073
@nolanthiessen1073 10 лет назад
If you think a single person can't make a change, just look at the P4A or the recent Water.org fundraiser. I donated $5 because that's what I had. It's not much, but when thousands of other Nerdfighters did the same, we raised hundreds of thousands of dollars.
@meganhumble1120
@meganhumble1120 10 лет назад
Another good reason not to vote is being uninformed. This is close to not caring, except that a lot of people feel it's their American duty to vote whether they're informed or not. I was pressured by my family to vote the first time I was able, even though I knew I didn't know enough about the issues.
@river_brook
@river_brook 5 лет назад
The first time I voted, I left half of the ballot blank out of panic and exhaustion, but on the plus side I did get the experience of turning in a ballot!
@abandonedrocketship
@abandonedrocketship 10 лет назад
This is, hands down, the worst comment section I've ever seen on a Vlogbrothers video. Either that, or the broken comment system just happened to make it look that way. Turning my ballot in on Monday. Great video, Hank.
@rulthariuz
@rulthariuz 10 лет назад
You know... Whilst I live in Australia, these are still all valid reasons to vote! Voting is compulsory here, but the amount of people who either just pay the fine they get, or cast a "Donkey Vote" (ie. voting for Mickey Mouse or something) is amazing! Add to that people who don't enroll because they "can't be bothered" is staggering... I regularly hear complaints about "How did that D&$khead, Tony Abbott get elected?" but when I query them, their response is either "I didn't vote..." or "I'm not enrolled..." The reason that people like this make it past the public and into office is due to the huge numbers who just simply don't use the voice they're given!
@emiliastevens3353
@emiliastevens3353 10 лет назад
And because we can literally hold up the numbers of invalid votes next to the valid ones we can clearly show exactly how much their votes, if done properly, would have counted...but I hate it when someone says to me "you voted for them, stop complaining that they won the election", no, I did not vote for them, and even if I had I have every right to complain that they are not doing what they said they would/wouldn't do
@nicklandkroon8182
@nicklandkroon8182 10 лет назад
In Australia, invalid votes make up only around 2% of the total votes submitted. Also, nag your friends and family to enroll to vote, they will eventually get fed up with you, and just enroll to shut you up. That's what I did to my brother.
@CinnamonToast
@CinnamonToast 10 лет назад
I heard about how Australians are required to vote, and that seems like a bad idea. If someone is being FORCED to say something, does what they say really matter? Leads to a lot of inaccurate votes....
@nicklandkroon8182
@nicklandkroon8182 10 лет назад
not really, we have only around 2% improper voting. Everyone else either takes the fine (like an idiot) or just takes 5-10 mins out of their day once a year (on average), and votes. And voting is only for Citizens, so a good amount of the population cannot vote anyway.
@emiliastevens3353
@emiliastevens3353 10 лет назад
you would be surprised as to how many low income people voted for Abbott and the Liberals, because they believe all the crap the government and media spins
@13VanessaMae
@13VanessaMae 10 лет назад
I'm 19, and I'm not voting this year. I just moved to a different state, and I'm currently involved in the biggest project of my life. These two factors have combined to make it so that I a) know absolutely nothing about the political climate, candidates, or issues on the ballot in my new state and b) am working all day every day on this project (2:15 a.m. and I just stopped to unwind a little bit). Additionally, I have a disability so I have to go to the polls with someone, or request accommodations in advance. I feel really bad about not voting, I feel like I am letting down my younger self who ranted and raged and even sometimes cried about not being able to vote... but this year, right now, I just can't swing it and I don't want to vote without really understanding the political climate of my new state.
@colonelweird
@colonelweird 10 лет назад
If voting is what makes the people we elect pay attention to us, then why do they usually pay so much MORE attention to the people who give them the most money? The obvious truth is that politicians don't care at all about the people who elect them, except to the extent that said politicians find it necessary to manipulate a sufficient number of voters to get themselves into office. And then they proceed to ignore the voters who elected them while lying about the fact that they do it. So I understand why people don't vote. But I'm voting anyway.
@colonelweird
@colonelweird 10 лет назад
***** If any candidate puts out ads like the ones you mention, then he or she is by definition a charlatan and is attempting to deceive and manipulate. These people are despicable, but sometimes I vote for them anyway (since almost all of them do it), while trying to vote for the ones who are ever so slightly less despicable. As for research, I support it. But as you must know, politicians routinely strive to conceal their real beliefs and records. They typically try to stand for nothing, or nearly nothing -- only the things they think their target demographic will respond to. It's just disgusting. After they win, they can toss aside all the BS and get down to the real business of fundraising.
@Cucumber-ej1pm
@Cucumber-ej1pm 10 лет назад
It is because voters are mostly ignorant and are easily swayed by attack adds that are very expensive. Politicians care about votes and buying them through media campaigns is an effective way of getting them, but that requires fundraising. If people were better informed about what and who they voted for it would not be an issue. Congress has a tinny approval rating yet over a 90 percent incumbency rate. This is totally contradictory and should be impossible, yet it's true. At some point you have to realize that some of the blame belongs to the voting public.
@radred609
@radred609 10 лет назад
Quinn Weber Not to mention, the fewer votes cast, the easier it is to swing the vote. If America had mandatory voting you can bet that the outcomes would be very different. Whilst the outcome may seem pre-arranged, let me reminf you of dec, 8th, 2000. "On November 8, 2000, the Florida Division of Elections reported that Bush won with 48.8% of the vote in Florida, a margin of victory of 1,784 votes.[4] The margin of victory was less than 0.5% of the votes cast, so a statutorily-mandated[5] automatic machine recount occurred. On November 10, with the machine recount finished in all but one county, Bush's margin of victory had decreased to 327.[6] According to author Jeffrey Toobin, later analysis showed that a total of 18 counties-accounting for a quarter of all votes cast in Florida-did not carry out the legally mandated machine recount," there was only 1000 votes difference in florida. it would have been the difference between Al Gore and Bush, Or, to put it another way, if ANY of the other states that were republican won were democratic won, Al Gore would have been in power, And florida was /not/ the only close state. Also, if you look at the other elections, not just the presidential (i.e. state, regional etc.) then there are very often margins of only a few thousand, often less. so yes, your vote counts. Finally, if you look at america, it is minorities and low socio-demographic groups that are the least likely to vote, so the entire political system and policy decisions gets swung towards richer and non-marginalised demographics. Like hank said, the system is disproportionately skewed towards rich people, because more rich people vote.
@cOmAtOrAn
@cOmAtOrAn 10 лет назад
You can't control the electorate if they refuse to let you.
@theeyeisblind
@theeyeisblind 10 лет назад
a correction good sir, only one party doesn't give a crap about its regular members, the party that changed its primary rules so that a committee of officials decides the candidate, rather than the actual voters. also, it is impossible for rich people to control elections if normal people voted.
@moviemadness2009
@moviemadness2009 10 лет назад
The fact that I will be able to vote in 2016 doesn't scare me, it's that my classmates will be able to vote in 2016. I'm also not completely politically aware at the moment. But for the love of god, PLEASE, someone start a public works program.
@CrumpArt
@CrumpArt 10 лет назад
That's the nice thing about democracy - everyone gets a say. If you think your classmates are too stupid or uninformed or apathetic, you're welcome to take it upon yourself to engage with others to turn those things around. I live in Australia, where voting is a legal requirement for all citizens over the age of 18. Technically, we don't have to register to vote, and if we do, we don't have to put in a valid ballot, we just have to show up on election day and get our name ticked off. Growing up in this environment, I find it unfathomable that people in other places refuse to have a say in how their country is run. Personally, I'm glad that I know that the actual majority of citizens in my country voted for our horrific government, as it stops me from becoming complacent and helps me reassess how I can positively engage with those around me in an effort to make them better people.
@moviemadness2009
@moviemadness2009 10 лет назад
See, now this is healthy politics. Score one for you, sir/ma'am.
@JoshSmith-db2of
@JoshSmith-db2of 10 лет назад
The only way for you to become more politically aware is to make the decision to fix that problem for yourself: read the news, go to meetings, etc. There's also no reason that you couldn't start that public works group :)
@normanee9624
@normanee9624 10 лет назад
CrumpArt Just because you have a say, does not mean that the politicians actually care. If voting made a difference, they would not let us do it.
@HipsterShiningArmor
@HipsterShiningArmor 10 лет назад
Trust me, your classmates know more than you think.
@hazeelford9288
@hazeelford9288 8 лет назад
Ahhhhh this is why I love Australia. We don't have a choice in whether or not we vote. We have to vote once we turn 18 or we get fined. If we have to do it, we may as well change the sucky stuff.
@byronbayboy11
@byronbayboy11 8 лет назад
Yep waste of my time when I have to drive half an hour
@Kurtownia
@Kurtownia 10 лет назад
I would vote if there was "none of the above" option.
@ClydeDay
@ClydeDay 10 лет назад
You should of made it clear between voting for a president where your vote really doesn't matter, and voting for other positions. Now before you go all crazy on me I will explain why your vote doesn't matter for president. It does not matter because of (electoral votes). Each state has a number of electoral votes they can award, and ONE person decides who they go to in a presidential election. Even say here in Kentucky where If the majority votes for the democrat, but the one who controls the electoral votes loves them some Republicans. Then they can go against the majority, and give Kentucky's electoral votes to the Republican. The person who controls those electoral votes chooses weather to listen to the majority, or do whatever the hell they want, and we can't control that until the election where we can replace him or her.
@jlbrookins
@jlbrookins 10 лет назад
That's not how it works at all. Each electoral vote is held by a unique elector who casts his or her vote personally. It's complicated as hell, but at no point does "one man" get to vote all of Kentucky's votes.
@vlogbrothers
@vlogbrothers 10 лет назад
Yeah, but we're not even voting for a president right now. There are probably like 20 things on your ballot...all of them important locally, some of them important nationally.
@darkmatt1578
@darkmatt1578 10 лет назад
I was going to reply and say this, so Thank You. If anyone doesn't think that he is correct, look at our history of voting and realize that the most popular person of the American people does not always become president. If you don't understand what I mean, here is a simple explanation: The citizen's votes don't get taken into account until the Electoral College is tied, and the Electoral College tying has yet to happened in our history. There is ample information to support what I am saying. Please go look at our history before replying.
@anthonykent00
@anthonykent00 10 лет назад
darkmatt1578 Valid point. But I believe State Electors almost always vote with the popular vote. Here's a list of "faithless" electors who have voted again the their state's popular vote. ( www.fairvote.org/reforms/national-popular-vote/the-electoral-college/problems-with-the-electoral-college/faithless-electors/). Only 29 states make it illegal to vote against the popular vote. I assume we do not have records of faithless electors from the other 21 states since there is no requirement. But if we assume a similar rate of non-conforming votes there are 1 or 2 faithless votes cast per year. One out of Five hundred thirty-eight. The being the case, one individual's vote does carry some weight in the presidential election.
@Avrysatos
@Avrysatos 10 лет назад
This time around IS the election year where you can vote out some of those jokers.
@loganmilliken2727
@loganmilliken2727 10 лет назад
Both "You voted. You accept the system. You have no right to complain over the result." and "if you don't vote. You lose the right to hitch [bitch]" commit the naturalistic fallacy, unless I am mistaken. Also, "People in the US died for the right to vote." is both naturalistic fallacy and Ad ignominiam (appeal to shame).
@4mpersan
@4mpersan 10 лет назад
I'm a Canadian so this video wasn't technically for me, but I wanted to say that our electorate is experiencing the same problems. We had an election just over a week ago: HALF of eligible voters showed, and that was a RECORD HIGH. Once the media reported that the inner-city, left-of-centre candidates were consistently polled as our future government, the aging suburban class mobilised in droves and voted for the only right-of-centre candidate in the running. In three days, we went from a left-of-centre, diversity-championing female mayor, to a blue-bleeding, corporate copyright lawyer and right-wing unknown that has no campaign message for anyone other than WASPs. tl;dr: Each and every vote does matter, so **please vote!**
@sonicdoor9955
@sonicdoor9955 10 лет назад
Wait, doesn't that mean at least some of this video applies to Canadians?
@Muljinn
@Muljinn 10 лет назад
sonicdoor Some of this video applies to *everywhere* you have a reasonably functional democratic process for picking your leaders. And to all those out there whining about how "all the major parties are corrupt", get off your ass and *find* someone you can vote for in good conscience. Politicians respond to pressure, same as anyone else. If you want things to change, you have to *work* for it. Taking your ball and going home to sulk about how the game isn't going your way? Not going to change anything. Just realized I'm ranting a bit, sorry about that sonicdoor.
@4mpersan
@4mpersan 10 лет назад
Muljinn Your rant was totally okay by me! I'd take it one step farther though, and say that if you can't find someone you can vote for in good conscience, you can choose to BECOME that person! :)
@T1J
@T1J 10 лет назад
I encourage citizens to vote in most local elections and for local initiatives, but currently I refuse to vote for congresspeople and the President because it is statistically demonstrable that they ignore the opinions of the general public, and there is no indication that voting changes this. When things like corporate personhood, unlimited contribution limits ( or limits that only rich people can afford to reach), and lobbying in general become not a thing, then I'll revisit it. Rich people and corporations through unfettered campaign donations basically pick who we get to choose between because in general only candidates who are good at fund raising become front runners. Voting for the "lesser of two evils" is a tacit acknowledgement that the system is broken and also that you don't care to take a stand to fix it, you're willingly participating in something you know is broken. The only hope is that we make our voices heard at the local level and hope it trickles upward. But history has shown that even seemingly honest politicians go to Washington and get bought.
@ForOrAgainstUs
@ForOrAgainstUs 10 лет назад
Lastly, it's the people who vote who have no right to complain. They either voted in the person/party who fucked things up or they tacitly endorsed it by accepting the rules, that if your guy wins, he's in, and if your guy loses, the other guy wins. You're playing by the rules of the game. You have no right to complain if it doesn't turn out the way you want. I don't like the rules of the game, I think they are stupid, corrupt, unethical, and antithetical to progress. I have every right to complain because the rules stink.
@addo1001
@addo1001 8 лет назад
Voting is not an obligation and shouldn't be viewed as such.
@a_youtuberk.4227
@a_youtuberk.4227 8 лет назад
+addo1001 Yes. Not voting for "the random of the completely equal evils" is a valid reason not to vote.
@ceciliaaaxiful
@ceciliaaaxiful 10 лет назад
I can't believe you don't have compulsory voting! Like yes I do get annoyed at people who don't understand or care about what they're voting for, but for the most part it forces people who would otherwise be apathetic to get involved in our democracy!
@DMitsukirules
@DMitsukirules 10 лет назад
Why do you want apathetic people involved in something they don't care about by law? If 10 educated people make a vote on something it's better than 90 uneducated people voting randomly and randomly deciding the future of your state. And if the government forced me to vote I would just make the prettiest picture I could on the ballot, even though I'm not uneducated.
@ceciliaaaxiful
@ceciliaaaxiful 10 лет назад
I said it forces people who would otherwise be apathetic to be involved- as in people who normally wouldn't care take an interest in politics because they have to vote. Some people vote randomly, but many uneducated people vote for their best interests- as they ought to do to make sure all interests are represented not just the educated or wealthy
@DMitsukirules
@DMitsukirules 10 лет назад
ceciliaaaxiful Or they vote for whatever they are passively told is their best interest, because they don't care. Forcing somebody to do something and making them care are completely different things and it your solution doesn't solve anything.
@ceciliaaaxiful
@ceciliaaaxiful 10 лет назад
Most people don't just do whatever is suggested to them. I actually live with compulsory voting and I know dozens of people who look into which party supports their interests purely because they have to vote anyway so they may as well vote properly. For people who still don't care, no one forces them to fill out the ballot, just to go to the booth, so there's no harm done.
@DMitsukirules
@DMitsukirules 10 лет назад
ceciliaaaxiful Anecdotal evidence isn't any proof that there is some correlation between having to vote and voter awareness.
@mikeyh6379
@mikeyh6379 10 лет назад
Dear Hank, Yesterday I wasn't planning on voting because I didn't care too much on the things being voted on. So during this video I was really impressed that you admitted that if you don't care, that is a completely acceptable reason not to vote. I've always believed that, and I think a lot of those who try to convince others to vote don't acknowledge this or don't believe that is a good enough reason. Since you are understanding enough to believe that not caring is a good enough reason, I decided that I could be understanding enough to understand how much you want people to vote and to care. So I did some research, and went and voted (it took surprisingly little time) yesterday. Credit goes to you. Keep up the good work, thanks, and I'll see you on Friday.
@NathanAndRose
@NathanAndRose 10 лет назад
Yep, I'm sharing this with everyone I know. Also, with everyone I don't know. Basically, I'm just going to jam this video in the eye balls of every human I see. That should do it. -Nathan
@spottytongue
@spottytongue 10 лет назад
I'm not in America (I'm from England) but I turn 18 just before the next general election (May 2015, I think) and I have _no_ idea how to research who to vote for? I don't even know anything about the differences between individual parties or the history of their reliability or anything like that. Basically seeing as we learn absolutely nothing in school about the government or anything we're voting for, I know nothing, and don't know where to access reliable information.
@lolpauve
@lolpauve 10 лет назад
spottytongue Unlike the US, in the UK your vote actually kinda counts. You can find out a lot on, believe it or not, this wikipedia page en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_United_Kingdom_general_election
@Zoomy
@Zoomy 10 лет назад
You could always read the individual parties' manifestos before the election and decide which policies you agree with the most. However, due to the nature of First Past the Post voting you should also research which parties actually have a chance to win in your area. For example, I'm a supporter of the Green Party, but in 2015 I'm going to vote for the SNP because 1. They actually have a chance of getting in and 2. Their policies are the closest to the party I support. Tactical voting is a huge problem in the UK, but it's also a necessary evil.
@spottytongue
@spottytongue 10 лет назад
lolpauve Thanks! That actually helps a lot.
@09jamieboro
@09jamieboro 10 лет назад
Try this voteforpolicies.org.uk/
@spottytongue
@spottytongue 10 лет назад
Zoomy It's a shame you can't vote for who you actually want to win. Thanks for the info :)
@brianacoman4011
@brianacoman4011 6 лет назад
I was an election judge for two elections and get sooo dumbfounded when people say they dont vote bc "it doesnt count" (particularly for presidential) or some other thing so I love that you made this video !!!!!!!!!!!
@boggisthecat
@boggisthecat 10 лет назад
2:23 "Do you know how many democracies were there in the world in 1900?" Both New Zealand and South Australia were self-governing British colonies, and both had women's suffrage before 1900. New Zealand in 1893 and South Australia in 1895. (Australia as a whole established women's suffrage in 1902 after becoming a fully independent nation state.)
@JillH1995
@JillH1995 10 лет назад
He wasn't referring to just women's suffrage (though that is an important step). Could people of all races vote? Did they have to own property? I'm American, and I don't know much (if anything) about Australian/New Zealander history, I'm just pointing out that women's suffrage wasn't the only step.
@boggisthecat
@boggisthecat 10 лет назад
In the case of New Zealand: yes, every citizen could vote (regardless of race) and; and no, you didn't have to own property. Australia had some discriminatory laws at the time, so you may have a point there. The problem with getting into the 'what constitutes democracy' argument is that there is no definition. The USA was arguably a democracy from its foundation, and Britain was also arguably a democracy. My assumption is that Hank means 'all adult citizens can vote' in this context, and New Zealand definitely became a democracy in those terms on September 19th 1893.
@JillH1995
@JillH1995 10 лет назад
Ok, thanks for the info. Perhaps he was lumping in New Zealand with the UK since it was still a colony (even if that wasn't really correct). Regardless, off by seven years isn't too bad, and 1900 is easier to say/more memorable.
@f14u2
@f14u2 10 лет назад
***** by the time of women's suffrage in 1893 the same year they got to vote in an election New Zealand was a self governing commonwealth nation not just a colony. We had our own government, elections and laws and a governor general who's like a president except instead of voting for him/her they are appointed by the Queen still the case today that's why we are a Constitutional Monarchy not a republic like the United States.
@JillH1995
@JillH1995 10 лет назад
Sorry. Like I said, I don't know much about New Zealand. Hank must not have done all his research or he would have said before 1890. Good for you Kiwis for being the only country with universal suffrage in the 19th century.
@MyUsernameIsAlsoBort
@MyUsernameIsAlsoBort 10 лет назад
No reference to Halloween at all? I'm a little disappointed. Also, isn't the US technically not a democracy, but a republic? It's a democratic republic, but it's still a republic.
@EvansRowan123
@EvansRowan123 10 лет назад
If it's a democratic republic, doesn't that make it a democracy as well as a republic? Why should those things be at all exclusive of each other?
@Avrysatos
@Avrysatos 10 лет назад
Rowan Evans because democracy indicates we all get a voice. In our government we pick people to speak for us.
@EvansRowan123
@EvansRowan123 10 лет назад
AmaranteStryfe The term for when the citizenry picks people to speak for them is "representative democracy", and... is the name a clue at all?
@Avrysatos
@Avrysatos 10 лет назад
Rowan Evans Yes, it's different from a true democracy though.
@EvansRowan123
@EvansRowan123 10 лет назад
AmaranteStryfe The term for that thing is "direct democracy".
@stella_mariav
@stella_mariav 8 лет назад
I don't think that not caring is a good reason not to vote because politics is EVERYWHERE. Care about the amount of taxes, condition of your roads, anything about education, health care, how much food costs, etc., etc.? Then you should care about elections!
@NanZingrone
@NanZingrone 10 лет назад
Woo hoo! Give 'em hell, Hank! We need every young person in this country to get out there and vote!
@tessiegril5736
@tessiegril5736 10 лет назад
Expect those under eighteen! Because you can only care and understand about your civil duties and yourself after you reach the mature age of eighteen!
@atenololgrl
@atenololgrl 10 лет назад
Love it. :)
@TenleyNadine
@TenleyNadine 10 лет назад
Let me start by saying that I'm definitely voting, I think it's important. My problem is that I don't want to vote without being informed, and I definitely don't want to vote based on party alone. But everytime I try to do research on the candidate all I find is political crap that explains nothing of value to me. It's frustrating. I want a site I could go to and read about all the topical issues in an understandable way. Because, I mean, I'm fairly smart, I guess, but a lot of the information is hard to understand. Does anyone have advice on how to learn about the issues?
@jklocport
@jklocport 10 лет назад
In some states, the election office produces a voter's guide or pamphlet. These usually have statements from each candidate, comments from opposing candidates, and a rebuttal. They do something similar with referendums and so on, getting the main driving and opposition groups to offer statements. Other places aren't so lucky (like the state I live in now). Sometimes a major newspaper will produce their own voter's guide. Otherwise, you are stuck going to campaign websites, reading interviews, checking voting history (if they've held office before) or reading endorsements from various organizations. Also, check out party platforms. I know you don't want to vote based on party (nor should you!), but most party-backed candidates have to agree with most of the party platform if they are a member of said party. The trick is figuring out where they disagree. Good Luck!
@TenleyNadine
@TenleyNadine 10 лет назад
Jacob Lockey Thanks for the advice.
@JohnSmith-rb6zj
@JohnSmith-rb6zj 10 лет назад
Here's another tip. If you live in a state that is mostly a party you disagree with, register for that party. Vote in the primaries for someone moderate in that party. A Democrat is never going to win Texas, and a Republican is never going to win California. This mainly applies to presidential elections because of the electoral college. (CGP Grey made a great video on why the electoral college is stupid.)
@Strider_JM
@Strider_JM 10 лет назад
I watched this while eating a packet of salt & vinegar Hula Hoops.
@MrsMusiclover13
@MrsMusiclover13 10 лет назад
Well I watched while eating sweet tarts, so there.
@nomnomnom55555
@nomnomnom55555 10 лет назад
I'm jelly
@LMC931
@LMC931 10 лет назад
Onion rings here
@carloswithahat386
@carloswithahat386 10 лет назад
That's great
@HonestlyHonor
@HonestlyHonor 10 лет назад
Salt & Vinegar is the best flavor
@KajoFox
@KajoFox 10 лет назад
Does the presidential election even matter that much in america? I mean, anything he/she tries to put through can get turned down by the congress... And congress can also make laws...
@cupakelover100
@cupakelover100 10 лет назад
+pipnina true, but it still matters.
@Avrysatos
@Avrysatos 10 лет назад
This isn't a presidential election. This is the part that matters. State and city elections are actually MORE important than your vote in the presidential election. You really get the option to make a difference with these.
@adamborison3054
@adamborison3054 8 лет назад
As for the rich thing: they win elections because they can easily sway other people's opinions. If you're not swayed by them, then WHY THE HELL WOULDN'T YOU VOTE?
@Ashtarte3D
@Ashtarte3D 10 лет назад
Well done Hank. Though you missed the excuse that pisses me off the most "I'm a third party, so I'd just be throwing my vote away anyway." No you won't, because if more people show there is actual support for third parties we could see some reform in the system properly allow for more than the two party system. Also it's not inherently throwing away your vote, because while no president has been a third party (technically, barring like the Whigs) we've had numerous third party congressmen, governors, and even a handful of senators.
@danheidel
@danheidel 10 лет назад
This is true for local level elections. However, since the US is a first-past-the-post voting system, 3rd party candidates actually hurt the people they try to represent at the national (and some state) level. They end up siphoning votes away from the entrenched party that is closer to their beliefs and they end up helping the candidate they least like to get elected. If you look at the Bush Sr and Gore losses, in both cases, they should have won but a strong showing of an ideologically similar candidate (Perot and Nader) made them lose. Even when a 3rd party ends up wining, all they do is displace an existing party, returning to a 2 party system. Watch CGP Grey's voting system videos. They explain why the US's voting system is mathematically guaranteed to lead to a 2 party system as well as alternate systems that make 3rd parties actually effective.
@angelayang1570
@angelayang1570 10 лет назад
I love this so much. I love Hank's optimism in everything, especially the optimism he brings to social issues. People will get bogged down by restrictive voter ID laws and negative campaigning but nope; Hank looks to the bright side of things.
@s.hinzman7728
@s.hinzman7728 10 лет назад
***** - as a History teacher & patriotic American (I care about the country I live in - am not blindly okay with the way it has or will function) I love this video. Thank you for being you & passionately expressing that apathy is not a default way to exist. For this Halloween I opted to come in costume but as Lucy Burns (American Suffragette that faced harsh societal punishment for advocating to change society) I included a list of hints as to who I was and offered extra-credit to students that figured it out. Keep being Awesome & know that if there were an election that you were running in - my vote would be for you!
@booksfullofworlds8257
@booksfullofworlds8257 10 лет назад
It seems insane to me that in the US, you really only have two parties/presidential candidates to choose between that actually have a chance of winning. In my country, there are five or six major parties with four of them having a large enough following to be in with the chance of winning an election. There are also dozens of smaller parties and many independents. And my country is A LOT smaller than the US, so logically should have fewer major parties.
@FlyingLikeIcarus
@FlyingLikeIcarus 10 лет назад
Our voting system (First Past the Post) always assures we'll only have two major parties. CGP Grey has a video on it, if you want to know more.
@Snes_Controller
@Snes_Controller 10 лет назад
There are smaller parties in the US, but their ideals tend to get absorbed by the two big parties when they get a big enough cut of the vote. The two-party system has its faults (and plenty of detractors), but it's not all downside.
@georgearnason4977
@georgearnason4977 10 лет назад
Canada uses a first past the post system and still has three heavily contending parties and a couple others who can steal seats here and there.
@soakupthenoise
@soakupthenoise 8 лет назад
Don't millionaires basically decide the pool of electable candidates, by funding their campaigns? I can't just vote for whoever I think would be the best person. I have to choose from candidates who had the support of people with enough money to make significant donations. btw, i'm just pointing out a descriptive oversight - i don't think this is a good reason not to vote.
@bentomoswall
@bentomoswall 8 лет назад
Not always. Unlike some conspiracy theory nuts think enough momentum behind a candidate will go through regardless of whatever the establishment wants. But yes, money does have far too much involvement in politics.
@Fish-bq5ge
@Fish-bq5ge 8 лет назад
Also, you vote for more than just a president. California has Prop59 which aims at getting millionaires out of politics.
@psionichelmsman
@psionichelmsman 5 лет назад
Write in votes are a thing too. You can literally vote for whoever you like
@radar0412
@radar0412 5 лет назад
Nowadays you can raise campaign money on the internet. It's a increasingly popular method called Crowdfunding. It doesn't change anything however. In order to win candidates still have to placate special interests by pledging not to raise taxes, and fully fund entitlement programs and the Pentagon. The result is a runaway national debt. You would be surprised to hear that an unmanageable national debt ISN'T in the best interest of Billionaires.
@crowlovescore
@crowlovescore 10 лет назад
one thing most people forget, if you have really good reasons to vote for none of the things that are an option. Go vote, but don't tick anything of this way you at least make a political statement compared to note voting at all, because then people will assume you just don't care.
@FourthRoot
@FourthRoot 10 лет назад
Your two evils commentary was perhaps the single stupidest thing you've ever said on youtube. You should be encouraging people to vote for third parties. But instead, you're encouraging them to support the establishment.
@GreatGwiaz
@GreatGwiaz 10 лет назад
Well the establishment is established, so not many people will vote for them; however, it would be better to support those parties. No one one wants to vote for them because the people who vote are not moderates.
@Matoyak
@Matoyak 10 лет назад
Third parties don't work in a First Past the Post system like in America, which is where this is likely targeted most. Defensive voting inevitably leads to a two party system where people are actively harming themselves if they vote third party. And considering the party I identify most with is the Green... yeah. I feel this pain. I will not vote for the Green because they have a snowball's chance in hell of winning, and if enough people DID vote for the Green to make a difference, it'd be cannibalizing from other parties - thus helping the people I would most prefer stay out of office into office.
@kittyvalium6517
@kittyvalium6517 10 лет назад
Well thats just your opinion so....
@FourthRoot
@FourthRoot 10 лет назад
***** What is with this ridiculous idea that third parties and independents are moderates? You've been fooled into thinking that everybody fits nicely on a spectrum between two dominant ideologues. Look up Nolan Chart.
@FourthRoot
@FourthRoot 10 лет назад
Mason Matlock I can't believe that you admit that defensive voting is the problem but that you're still unwilling to vote for a third party. That shows a complete lack of integrity.
@MariyaNYC
@MariyaNYC 10 лет назад
Although I agree with many points in this video it doesn't acknowledge many other reasons young people can't vote such as voter ID laws and placement/hours of polling centers are often in place to keep the young, poor, and people of color away. The video also makes it seem as if voting is the only way to get your voice heard completely ignoring only ways major change has ever come about in this country such as direct action, journalism, and grassroots organizing. To say that people who don't vote "don't care" is just ignorance of the actual things people are doing to make real change.
@AnonymousCam11
@AnonymousCam11 10 лет назад
Just being able to see a feature being filmed would actually be the best thing ever tbh. Especially for Paper towns which is one of my favorite books, like, ever.
@BlaineTog
@BlaineTog 10 лет назад
I don't vote, and it's not for any of the mentioned reasons. The trouble I have is that politics doesn't make sense to me. I don't see the chain of logic that allows my vote to be converted into positive change in the world. This goes beyond "I don't understand the issues." Even if I grant the (frankly preposterous) idea that half an hour of surfing the internet could get me up to speed enough about a complex situation potentially touching on a variety of disciples and concerns that I would feel confident in rendering a binding arbitration on it, I then have to trust that the political system itself will deliver the result I intend. This requires me to trust upwards of hundreds of politicians (whom I don't know personally, and many of whom are career egotists) as well as the bureaucracy itself. What if one measure going forward would cause an uprising of support for its opposition, resulting in a much greater period of time before other necessary co-measures could go through than if we waited until the next election cycle? What if one candidate who seems like a good bet gives the contract for their measure to a company owned by a friend, who happens to be less scrupulous? What if the candidate is straight-up lying (and happens to be good enough at it that half an hour of internet research isn't sufficient to figure it out)? No, there are too many places where things could go wrong, even disastrously so. Maybe some people have the ability to parse through all those fail gates, to see the order behind the apparent chaos, but to me, voting looks like trying to swordfight with an open bag of packing peanuts. As such, I leave the whole shebang to those who might have a better handle on it. We don't demand everyone understand mechanical engineer enough to build a car, quantum physics enough to write a dissertation, or fiction writing enough to write a best-selling novel, and we don't demand that everyone be able to dance, design a building, fly a fighter jet, code an operating system, run an industrial farm, or teach Shakespeare to 12th graders, even though all those things are important to society in their own ways. To me, voting effectively appears to have a comparable level of complexity, and it's simply not a form of madness that makes sense to me. So please, leave me to my madnesses and I'll leave you to yours. Specialization is beautiful and it's what has allowed humanity to rise above.
@BlaineTog
@BlaineTog 10 лет назад
Tl;dr: I take politics much too seriously to consider throwing what looks for all the world like a coin toss to me, particularly when others might actually know what they're doing.
@tsgoten
@tsgoten 10 лет назад
BlaineTog thanks
@EdwardCree
@EdwardCree 10 лет назад
"we don't demand that everyone be able to... code an operating system" Speak for yourself. _A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects._ -Robert A. Heinlein
@BlaineTog
@BlaineTog 10 лет назад
Edward Cree Putting aside that Heinlein was a rich white man living in one of the most affluent and developed countries in the world, he died in 1988. If you haven't noticed, computers have become substantially more powerful and complicated. Nowadays, people aren't even just "programmers." They have to specialize. I'd venture a guess that a fair proportion of professional programmers couldn't whip up an operating system, much less be able to perform helpful work on one, without significant additional training. And perhaps it would behoove them to do so, but there are only so many hours in the day. Let's try out a thought experiment. Let's say that every person in the world is allowed to force every other person in the world to read a single page of information, anything they want, anything they think should be prioritized. Then, let's throw out 90% of that because it was duplicative. That leaves 70 million sheets of paper for us each to read. If we read at one page per second, every second of every day without breaks, it would still take us each about 22 years to get through it. Specialization is not only powerful but it's necessary. Even if there were no other limitations (which there very much are), Time would prevent us from learning all there is to learn. It's great to dabble for many reasons, but humans excel primarily when they achieve mastery of a subject. Not everyone can master every subject, and there's nothing at all wrong with that.
@EdwardCree
@EdwardCree 10 лет назад
BlaineTog Okay, so I was joking a bit. Just because *I* can build an operating system doesn't mean I expect everyone to. But I do think that programming, at least to the level of "can automate a simple task in Python", should be considered part of 'the education of a liberal gentleman', since these days if you don't understand how a computer works you still have to use one and its behaviour will seem arbitrary and capricious. The population of the world being 7 milliard, throwing out 90% of the sheets would leave 700 million, not 70 million-not that that weakens your proposition, of course! Of course there is value to specialisation; that was old hat even in Adam Smith's day. But that is where depth of knowledge is important and yields increasing returns to scale. In many ways breadth of knowledge is just as valuable; not "learning all there is to learn", but knowing enough about any field to at least _know how much more there is to learn_ will already give many of the advantages of a polymath. Connections between disparate-seeming subjects can be a powerful source of new knowledge, as any category theorist will gleefully tell you. Simply acting as a member of society and placing your own actions and decisions in a global context requires at least a surface understanding of history, economics, several branches of science and technology, philosophy and ethics, … Of someone who knew of and cared of nothing except his own affairs and his own line of business, the Ancient Greeks would say he was an "idiotes" (from _idio_=self)-the root of the modern word "idiot". Don't be an idiotes; find a cause worth supporting and VOTE.
@ghuegel
@ghuegel 10 лет назад
On "the lesser of two evils"... the act of not voting for anybody for a position is helpful in that it shows that the person who gets elected is not actually supported by very many people.
@jaypillsbury843
@jaypillsbury843 10 лет назад
And by not voting you risk putting the guy who isn't represented by many people in charge. Well done.
@OrUptotheStars
@OrUptotheStars 10 лет назад
But non-votes do not elect people to office. Non-elected people cannot make policy. It doesn't matter how many people are represented by a candidate, if he/she gets the most votes, they are elected and are the ones to make policy.
@lissy42nerdfighter
@lissy42nerdfighter 10 лет назад
If you really want to show that a candidate does not represent you then you should vote against him. Just not voting does not actually make a statement, it is literally the absence of a statement.
@ghuegel
@ghuegel 10 лет назад
OrUptotheStars The premise here is that both candidates are bad, but one is slightly worse. Either way, you're going to get bad policy. But when a person is elected with a small percentage of total voters (or total people), their mandate based on "the will of the people" is diminished. This usually only comes up with presidents in the US, but pointing out that only a small percent of people actually support a candidate can weaken a politician's ability to enact bad policy.
@09jamieboro
@09jamieboro 10 лет назад
Spoil your ballot. Draw a big penis on it or something stupid. It still needs to get counted and it effectively shows you don't care for any of them but still like to exercise your democratic right of voting.
@KatherineLVogel
@KatherineLVogel 10 лет назад
I've recently given myself a new rule to live by: I don't get to complain about something unless I try to change that thing at least once... I also hold my friends and family to this rule, but it would be exhausting to hold the internet to this rule so I won't... but consider it? It's made me a lot happier and I've been able to initiate a lot of good change.
@jakespnl463
@jakespnl463 8 лет назад
While I do think it's important for everyone to vote, I have to say this but America is not a democracy, It's a constitutional republic. The founding fathers didn't want america to be democracy simply because they believed it would be disastrous.
@SteveWonder1311
@SteveWonder1311 8 лет назад
Democracy: a system of government in which all the people of a state or polity elect representatives to a parliament or similar assembly. AKA what is happeng in November in the US.
@jakespnl463
@jakespnl463 8 лет назад
A Constitutional Republic is a state where the officials are elected as representatives of the people, and must govern according to existing constitutional law that limits the government's power over citizens.
@jakespnl463
@jakespnl463 8 лет назад
Article IV Section 4, of the Constitution: “The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of government
@SteveWonder1311
@SteveWonder1311 8 лет назад
democracy and republic are not mutually exclusive. The United States are both
@jakespnl463
@jakespnl463 8 лет назад
I'm sorry but it's a constitutional republic, iv'e already given the definition of what it is, along with a section within the constitution where it says it's a republic. Do some research.
@Annaie1234
@Annaie1234 10 лет назад
I'm not even American and this video was really interesting
@VulpineGeoDuck
@VulpineGeoDuck 10 лет назад
This would apply to any democratic country, so if you're in one, this is still good advice.
@anotherdrummingenigma2882
@anotherdrummingenigma2882 3 года назад
After the 2020 election in my state in GA being as close as all 3 of the elections in my state were, it has come to my attention that my does matter. Many states like mine have always gone with the popular vote.
@gintarazimu642
@gintarazimu642 8 лет назад
I could catch you on a real technicality on the "it's not a democracy," because technically it's not, it's a republic. We don't all vote on every single decision, that would be ridiculously silly, we select people to represent us in the decision making process.
@ol8068
@ol8068 8 лет назад
+Ginta razimu A republic is by definition a representative democracy.
@wesomek
@wesomek 8 лет назад
+Christian Dale We are a 'republic' But I would say a more accurate and up to date term would be oligarchic.
@wesomek
@wesomek 8 лет назад
Christian Dale way to be so nuance that you are beating a dead horse. If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. Read more at: www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/a/albert_einstein_2.html I'm going to ask you to try again.
@wesomek
@wesomek 8 лет назад
Christian Dale I will help you my friend :) A Democracy = a form of government, like that of an oligarchy. A Republic is the way it functions. I just summarized that whole essay, how does that make you feel?
@wesomek
@wesomek 8 лет назад
Christian Dale the rest of what you wrote didn't concern me and if you are salty about it maybe, just maybe, you should re consider what you think is important.
@taylorhorlock
@taylorhorlock 10 лет назад
My rule is if you don't vote you have no right to complain about how the government is running the country.
@DMitsukirules
@DMitsukirules 10 лет назад
And reality is your complaining if your vote didn't work is just as valid as mine, IE it accomplishes jack shit.
@robertofontiglia4148
@robertofontiglia4148 10 лет назад
My rule is you have no right to complain about how the government is running the country if you voted ! You went and gave the whole process your approval !
@janedoe5836
@janedoe5836 10 лет назад
Roberto Fontiglia Unless you voted against the government process that is now in place...
@robertofontiglia4148
@robertofontiglia4148 10 лет назад
Nadine R Just for the record, I actually believe that every body has the right to complain when they feel things aren't going the way they should - whether they voted or not. But you know, some might argue that whether you voted for or against the government that is in place is irrelevant - by voting, they would say, you give your assent to whatever result comes out of the election, whether you originally voted for it or against it.
@janedoe5836
@janedoe5836 10 лет назад
Roberto Fontiglia I suppose I see your point of view. But I feel as though you could say that you give your consent to the resulting government by not voting against the practice. "Your silence gives consent." - Plato. But I understand how others may see otherwise. I suppose it's just a matter of opinion.
@OxygenBeats
@OxygenBeats 8 лет назад
Another reason not to vote is if you don't know which option would be better/worse. A democracy can fail hard if the people voting are really stupid or ignorant of all the facts/details.
@KeithDickens
@KeithDickens 10 лет назад
I think the biggest problem that I have with this is that the abstain vote is not counted as a valuable vote. I'm not too lazy to vote, that's an absurd generalization made by people that value their vote over the opinions of others. A decision to not vote, is a vote. I simply abstain because I do not find value in the available choices or believe that those choices are both wrong. When you say you are voting for "the lesser of two evils" you are consciously recognizing the fact that all of your options are the wrong choice and you are still supporting one of them - logic be damned. You don't have to, that is not the way the system was meant to work. If you don't feel represented, then voting for the wrong option anyway doesn't do anything except create a political ecosystem that doesn't adequately represent any one individually and therefor fails to represent the citizen body as a whole...just like we have now. No one is happy with our political leadership or the way things are done. No one likes the fact that government committees or courts entrusted with hearing GMO arguments are headed by former Monsanto attorneys or that our elected officials are choosing to ignore global warming because they have selected to use their own understanding of science, which is invariably wrong, rather than defer to the consensus of the experts. This is all because voters keep voting them in. The lesser of two evils just eats us - nibble by nibble - rather than huge mouthfuls at a time. You've filled the theater with corrupt souls and then wonder why the place is haunted when it all burns down. "But they were only a little evil", you say. You just filled the halls of congress with concentrated evil an eye dropper at a time. When dedicated voters, who will exercise their right to vote at all costs, need a babysitter to go vote today they will discover that the only choices they have is between a baby-killer and a pedophile, well, I guess the next generation of American Voters is going to have a lot of therapy bills.
@cronnyberg
@cronnyberg 10 лет назад
you eloquently put into words something I believe very strongly, thank you
@flames_fan_328
@flames_fan_328 8 лет назад
This honestly needs to be showed to everybody.
@amelia294
@amelia294 8 лет назад
PREACH
@Waterboi505
@Waterboi505 8 лет назад
Want a quiz that will tell you who you side with on the issues? www.isidewith.com And if you're fiscally responsible and socially liberal... JohnsonWeld2016
@jazzyjake99
@jazzyjake99 8 лет назад
Flames_Fan_32 No it doesn't.
@nicobronstein
@nicobronstein 10 лет назад
First of all, I am an EU citizen, english is not my mother language and US is not my mother country, so please be patient with me and my poor english... I dont need 10, but will give you 7 good reasons to NOT vote, for you Hank: 1) Votes are an opinion based on each person's beliefs and education, yet none of us knows how to manage a country, voting in such matter is like having a cancer ill patient laying on a bed and having a group of doctors asking everyone how should they treat him in order to save him. 2) Votes are free. Yes, a lot of people died in order to give us democracy, but so did other people following other ideals today considered obsolete, today your vote has a lot of power and value yet what you have to do in order to vote is take a walk and press a button, which takes me to my 3rd point. 3) The "buttons" you are presented with are already filtered by how much a candidate's campaign had success, in order to know your candidates you had to inform yourself, maybe you went on the internet and looked them up, maybe you read a newspaper or maybe you met them during a speech in your city. All of that publicity requires money, and the money comes from sponsors, people that believes or can gain a profit from that candidates politics, so you're left with a set of "buttons" that are there thanks to whoever has the economic power to sponsor them. 4) Our problems today are mostly technical, not political, ask a politician how would he increase production using less energy, geez ask a politician about ANY practical stuff, they would need engineers, architects, scientists, designers, they would need expertise to solve the problems they promised to solve in the first place. I'm not suggesting a technocracy, but a democracy is just as obsolete in this matter. 5) Democracy cares about discussion but fails at decision making, it feeds on divergent ideas, otherwise you wouldn't have as many candidates, that's why they are competing in the first place, but then the one who gets the biggest numbers wins, I don't see how that could be convenient for everyone, this generates a hard to change politics model, where well argued innovation is mostly obscured by old fashioned practices. 6) If you really care for your country (or for the world I should say) then voting is actually the lazy way to do it, as I stated before, is free, you don't have to do much, and you have to agree with the less of two evils at the end. Do you really care about your world? Start thinking how you could change the system that is governing you, with the man and industrial power we have we could end everyone's misery in a blink, yet we prefer to vote, so someone else gets the work done... oh wait... 7) Voting actually counts as a "I'm ok with this decision making model of ours, please, continue with it, as I'm pleased". So if you have anything to say about this method of doing democracy, the best thing you can do is avoid participating in it. In conclusion, democracy in my opinion should carry a participation factor, like paying for a pool at your house or a better car, things arent free and is only then that you give such things value, they should be "payable" with self empowerment will and not money, something like if you're a child then you get to support your cause by studying your guts out 5 hours a day, or if you're a teacher by teaching whatever you know, each one should "pay" with his own effort whatever cause he wants done, and should also pay for the causes that he's against, that would promote positive discussion, where a decision based on facts is most probably to come out (so you don't have to work to avoid things happening and other people wouldn't have to work extra to make them happen) Democracy today is about who has the best language and charisma with a good sponsorship on their backs, I know we can do better, I hope we do... Please don't vote, and be a model for something better...
@DrewBoivie
@DrewBoivie 10 лет назад
I don't vote because I'm a liberal, and I live in an extremely conservative location of a conservative state. Thanks to the electoral college my vote in national elections literally doesn't count. Local stuff is even more discouraging since anything/anyone I'd want to vote for would still lose by 2/3 or more of the vote like always.
@Randomgen77
@Randomgen77 10 лет назад
Yeah, I understand that kind of sucks (my local area is heavily conservative, though the state is a swing state.) But I still vote because it encourages other liberal voices to see that they're not completely alone and that change can happen eventually.
@marybach9925
@marybach9925 10 лет назад
Well, if you don't vote, they don't see you. It literally takes like 10 minutes of your time. If you can't take that time for your country, then you're bad.
@12KevinPower
@12KevinPower 10 лет назад
Join the Republican Party and Elect Moderate Republicans.
@Randomgen77
@Randomgen77 10 лет назад
^^That's another option^^ it may be... trying... occasionally, but it's much needed.
@treycoook
@treycoook 10 лет назад
Percentage is important. If nobody votes for the opposing party in a bright red or bright blue state, the result is 100% to 0. If people cast their vote knowing that their candidate is not going to win, the result could be 60% to 40%. Sometimes this is all that is needed to send a message. Look at how the GOP is pandering to women and Latin Americans the past few years. Hell, some have even started to push more relaxed policies towards the LGBT community. They want to win over as many votes as possible, and they're willing to do that by acquiescing, if voters make it clear that they must acquiesce. So even if you don't break the 50.1% threshold, voting at all is voicing your opinion and can have a real, positive impact. Texas, a traditionally red state, is slowly becoming bluer, and it's not because folks have simply resigned to the majority rule. Voting is about momentum and statistics, not about the figurehead who nets the majority this year.
@SparkySywer
@SparkySywer 10 лет назад
We are a republic, not a democracy.
@WaterMelonFan1
@WaterMelonFan1 10 лет назад
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Representative_democracy
@lennart691
@lennart691 10 лет назад
wow
@vivalafisy
@vivalafisy 10 лет назад
Fail
@mapple35
@mapple35 10 лет назад
we r actually a democratic republic
@WaterMelonFan1
@WaterMelonFan1 10 лет назад
Which is the same as saying a republican representative democracy. Those two don't exclude eachother, you are both.
@Quagthistle
@Quagthistle 10 лет назад
In many states (including my state of Kansas), you do NOT have to have any form of dissability or even a good reason to vote absentee. You do have to pay $1.19 return postage and send it in a day before the election so it arrives on time to be counted, but you do NOT have to have any good reason to vote absentee. Once you register to vote, just send in a form a couple weeks/months before the election requesting and absentee ballot. It will arrive in the mail, and you can fill it out at your leisure. I think it's awesome that they've opened absentee ballots to anyone in many states. :)
@youmakeagreatpointand3043
@youmakeagreatpointand3043 10 лет назад
i am but a classy fedora wearing free thinker who won't be fooled by these silly voting games, nice try, but i am simply to intelligent of a individual too fall for such sheeple behavior! damn i could really go for a wendy's cheeseburger right now
@alissa365
@alissa365 10 лет назад
I'm not old enough to vote.
@MERCENARYTAO1
@MERCENARYTAO1 10 лет назад
That's a great reason not to if there ever really was one.
@brookgeisler2399
@brookgeisler2399 10 лет назад
I hear you, i'm too Canadian to vote.
@moontitanzan
@moontitanzan 10 лет назад
Brook Geisler Same here. Sorry guys
@zantoxu6807
@zantoxu6807 10 лет назад
Brook Geisler There's voting in Canada too.
@brookgeisler2399
@brookgeisler2399 10 лет назад
Zantoxu Yes, last week. Also i'm sixteen.
@sn0wb0ard1ng
@sn0wb0ard1ng 10 лет назад
Also you're argument for 99% of millionaires voting isn't very valid. They're mainly concerned with their money so they feel the need to get the right person in office that in alignment with their goals (mainly preservation of capital). They aren't just voting at the ballet, they're giving money throughout the year to politicians who are in line with preserving their capital. They have more to lose thus they are more concerned with the legal system in America. Because 99% of millionaires vote does not give 99% of Americans a reason to vote. Millionaires are roughly 3% of the population, in fact.
@Cheesesteakfreak
@Cheesesteakfreak 10 лет назад
VLOG bros is wrong - reason being, there is no real difference between parties. It's two pre-approved choices.
@Cheesesteakfreak
@Cheesesteakfreak 10 лет назад
It's a broken system. Stop pretending it works. Cus it fucking doesn't.
@happycline
@happycline 10 лет назад
I would like to vote for a candidate that would work towards changing the voting system to a STV (Single transferable vote) system, who should I vote for? (not that it actually matters, since I'm Canadian, and I already know who I'm voting for in my own country, but I would like to see who i WOULD vote for, if I did live in the states :) )
@AceandDuce
@AceandDuce 10 лет назад
Hey I saw that cgp grey video ;)
@alexzarandi9165
@alexzarandi9165 10 лет назад
Honestly, I'm not a fan of the STV, comparing the amount of stuff the Westminster Parliament gets done compared to the NI Assembly, I prefer First Past the Post. Plus, in FPTP, I know Simon Burns is my MP and I can ask him for help or to raise an issue, but in STV less so.
@vincentlamontagne7639
@vincentlamontagne7639 10 лет назад
go see or call or email your local representative and repeatedly ask them to have their party promote the idea. do this with everyone, ask others to do the same thing, etc.
@Norcon72
@Norcon72 10 лет назад
There might be some Independent or Third Party candidates that would be in favor of moving toward a Proportional or STV system, but I downt that there's a Republican or Democrat who thinks either are a good idea (they're too hard to Jerry mander you see)
@LyricalDJ
@LyricalDJ 10 лет назад
Norcon72 Gerrymandering shouldn't be a reason since it shouldn't be allowed anyway. I mean, is it allowed as it is now?
@juliabrooks1203
@juliabrooks1203 10 лет назад
Loving the Narnia map poster Hank! Brings back super awesome childhood memories.
@YHLGguitargeek
@YHLGguitargeek 8 лет назад
Let's all do our part to help Gary Johnson secure 2% of the votes this election! :D
@gossamernonsense6837
@gossamernonsense6837 10 лет назад
DFTVA!
@Mizerri
@Mizerri 9 лет назад
It's the crap feeling you get when the person you voted for won't end up getting a position after your troubles, or end up being shit at his/her job, or a liar.
@404nolifefound3
@404nolifefound3 8 лет назад
#feelthebern
@NameN0tFound
@NameN0tFound 8 лет назад
+hanna and other annoying things never
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