Tesla Model S P85D vs Ferrari F12 1/4 Mile Drag Racing with Brooks Weisblat 

*Sick sleek sexy safe sedan

How does the tesla seat 7 people? I have been in one. You can't fit 7 people

Andy Esho children are also people

Andy Esho Two child seats are optional in the trunk

ah11980 Have you ever heard of Tesla's Supercharger network? When you drive long distance, you drive for 3 hours, then stop for 25 minutes. Grab a bite to eat and hit the restroom and the Model S is already ready before you are. Also supercharging is free. It doesn't get better than that. The Model S has liquid cooled batteries. It supercharges at 120 kW, faster than anything else out there.

Edwin Lopez read description....

I didn't come here to read that's what my Google New stand is there for!...but with that being said I didn't read the description my bad

Do you not look at when video comments were posted? Obviously not...

Cerra el culo Lopez.

Edwin Lopez TESLA IS BEST! THE DISADVANTAGE OF THE TESLA MODEL IS ITS LIMITATION TO 250 KM/H! THAT WAS THE PROBLEM!!!!

Yes absolutely. I think an overall review should be done

Agreed.

P85D is the original Plaid... this race would be pretty cool...

True

lmao!!!

darkwoodmovies lmfao. Best comment ever.

loool

Why would you even consider buying a Tesla lmao. That car is ugly af.

M1ZKA could look a lot worse though it could look like a Ferrari ff. and that f12 looks a bit to much like a corvette

10 foot drag race

+That would be Illegal 😂😂😂😂😂

100m drag race! That's all its good for!!

1/8*

jeez, start using metric units muricans O_o

The F12 isn't the fastest production car, that would be the Veyron. But the Veyron is meant for top speed, not acceleration. Staying in the same price bracket, the Nissan GT-R will be quicker than the P85D at legal (or illegal) speeds. I don't deny the fact that the Tesla P85D isn't awesome, and it's revolutionary for an electric car, but we're not at the point where it quite competes with petrol engines though.

S3maxime16 what do you mean the veyron is not meant for acceleration?

maxjtj31 Well, it's main point is top speed. It does still have crazy acceleration though.

S3maxime16 He Never Said That

S3maxime16 listen Blogulator is speaking in general, note the S at the end of ¨carS¨ ... then again you mentiona price bracket car - GT-R and you miss the huge Weigth difference... just give the tesla a ¨magic¨ weigth reduction and lets see what happendssssss

🤣

Yep, reminds me of Highschool, guys wanted the loudest car or truck... Maturity earliest stages, lol

@@belindaspechtenhauser6621 doesn't have to be open exhaust, many stock exhaust systems are perfect sounding. Electric cars have no SOUL, MAN 😁 !!

i like it

🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

+MisterBinx A $105,000 super car isn't what I'd consider a "Family car."

+Kyle Grodkowski Soon dw

+Kyle Grodkowski with two trunks you bet your ass it is

+Kyle Grodkowski You wouldn't consider it a family car because of the price?? Don't higher earners have family? My brother, my father and my cousin all own Tesla's and have families... Don't see how these contradict. A Tesla has up to 7 seats, 2 trunks... Would you call it a race car?

+Kyle Grodkowski a 5 seat 4 door 2 trunk luxury sedan, is a family car for wealthy families

Evander Smart You all missed the picture that, if the Tesla had a 2nd gear to shift, the race would be all over by the time the Ferrari reached 3rd gear. Consider the Tesla being a Torque monster locked up by a single speed drive train. They need to add a gearbox or a paddle shift transmission in them to unleash the real speed. "This electric car could be the next Bugatti killer!" If you observed at 0:33 the sudden speed lag is where the motor reached its peak, and would therefore need a higher gear ratio to propel it further down the line increasing its velocity. This is not about the weight as it came of the line long before the ferrari, It just got choked by being a single drive mechanism without a gearbox.

Evander Smart yeah, and the only reason ecars are fast at accelerating is throttle response

Lloyd Carrillo and btw ecars are not suppose to have a gearbox. They were designed and built without a gearbox because they have a high rpm, and im pretty sure motors are suppose to be direct

But you see what am saying though adding a gear box for racing purposes would be a different ball game

Kitkat Dominance EL motors have instant torque, as long as they are powerful enough for the application they are used in.

Plaid blows my mind! Amazing.

Electric American Muscle = #1⚡⚡🔥🔥

After Model S Plaid there will be Model S Liftoff ....

Makes me wondering what will happen the next 5years

Roadster with SpaceX package

+James Shunt It's amazing what Tesla Motors has done!! Much respect to Tesla and I can't wait to trade in my Audi for a Tesla Model 3.

Electric motors has full torque since 0 rpm that's why it is faster at the start, once the Ferrari is in the torque zone, it demolishes the tesla, if the race would have been a full mile, the difference would have been huge

Most races are stoplight, from a dig. Where are you gonna go 155+ ? Tesla rocks, you can upgrade P85D to a P90D Ludicrous for $13000. How's that grab ya?

+Carlitox b The point they want to make is that electric cars are fast despite what the majority of people believe. Electric cars are the future. Common people don't buy cars to race. Petrol cars should be kept for races only.

Marius Cristian Ciubotariu I know that, my friend, but there are some people who believe, the tesla is faster than a Ferrari and that's not completely true

No we are not forgetting. The car that has more power to weight is always going to be quicker. Electric motors and batteries are the reason why the Tesla weighs so much, so it's kind of dumb to even play with the idea of them being the same weight.

@@FinSynthMusicyou responding to a comment that was made 8 years ago is hilarious.

Yep. Anyone talking down on a Tesla for this performance is a complete moron.

No one is talking down about its acceleration numbers from 0-100mp/h. But that is the only performance part of this car that is impressive.

ElmoHus I would say acceleration is the most impressive but handling is also pretty impressive for it's size and weight. It's low center of gravity and way more efficient and direct traction/stability control is something you cannot experience somewhere else. It's not a race car of course, weight is something that has to go down but still there are very positive impressions about this car's handling from all over the place.

loguerto I guess its the best accelerating sedan. But definitely not best handling when you got Porsche panamera and M5

teslas are not good for lap times, its way too heavy and the car will just overheat

99% of butthurt comments here seem to 'forget' that.

true but either way you do it once it gets around 130mph it falls off dramatically the charger hellcat that motortrend did a head to head between the 2 which the charger won the Tesla had a slightly better time but the charger had a higher trap speed and was about to star t passing the tesla at the end of the race

Agreed!

+lanab A crap car that does zero to sixty faster than a mustang, camaro, corvette and a GTR. Well f*** me then I want a crap XD

Remember to walk with your fire extinguisher..

Finally a comment that makes sense. Most are circle jerking the Ferrari as though it's something to congratulate that it just BARELY eaked out a win. Meanwhile the TESLA is 1/4 the price, seats 7 and doesn't have to worry about getting bent over at a gas pump. Imagine those motors in the older roadster. ;)

The technology they're offering isn't really new, the electric car has been around as long as the combustion engine has been around and the technology even pre dates the internal combustion engine.

Craig Bickerstaff Again, more of the same arguing about every little detail, just for the sake of arguing. Of course the "electric engine" and batteries aren't new and have been perfected as well. But their use in cars has been suppressed the day the electric car was invented and shelved ever since. So you know very well there's no comparing the amount of work that's been done on each type of technology. Think of the many, many patents Tesla has come up with (and made public recently). Not exactly golf cart technology. Yet, it's very recent stuff. Use of lithium batteries in cars? Progressing everyday and will probably be replaced in a few years. The success of the very first iterations of these cars is an example of how progress has been blocked for a long time by corporate interests. Same goes for trucks, trains, energy production plants, to name only a few.

m lab The electric motor may have only recently come back to the car but the idea that the technology has sat undeveloped on a shelf for a hundred years is ridiculous. The electric motor wasn't suppressed it wasn't blocked, it just moved into a different area because at the time the internal combustion engine proved itself to be more practical. It has only been recently with environmental concerns that people have begun to look at the electric motor again and Tesla only really built on those that came before them.

Craig Bickerstaff You just didn't read. I said, very clearly, that the electric car tech was suppressed, not the electric engine, which is used everywhere. I also pointed out that from electric engine to real, competitive, electric car, there's quite a few steps which have only recently been taken, by a few companies. Yet look at the results. The tech was suppressed by the oil industry, it wasn't less practical at all (well, maybe at the very beginning). Explosive, stinky gasoline, dirty oil, filters, and coolant; inefficient "reciprocating engines" (think about those pistons and rods, next time you shake a can of paint). Also, these engines lose most of the energy they produce as heat, they depend on quality of spark, timing of ignition, relative valve and piston positions, piston-cylinder seal, all remaining perfect (which they don't, wasting more energy). Parasitic losses due to internal friction, oil pump, water pump and belt driven accessories (alternator, power steering, A/C...). If you had to design the most inefficient, gas consuming, oil cartel money cow you could, you would not do any better than what we've been using. Did you say something about practicality?

Recently got to try a 5.9L V12 aston and I 100% agree. If ever get the opportunity to hear one of those beasts, take it.

monke like big sound, monke must have big pp to be making that much sound!

lmao, there is no sound to be compared at all.

@NarrowPath Model S P100D

Considering 0.01% of people will be able to afford it, who gives a fuck. Its not even a practical car. Tesla Model S is the greatest car ever made, can't consider any other car because no other car comes close to the level of the Tesla.

***** Got to give some fucks for a car which will hit 248mph with no gearbox. Plus, how many can afford a Model S? It's great in many ways but for the price, it still lacks the absolute pampering of an equally priced S Class. Check out the review by Motor Trend.

***** LMFAO your a joke BUD. Tesla is not the greatest car ever made. Your funny as fuck tho

***** listen queer just cause you are a broke loser doesn't mean everyone else is. I have owned several cars in the 60-80k range. So if I really wanted a tesla I could get one. I would fucken never spend my money on this piece of shit.

Andy Esho haha you sound like a jelaous person.

they film these on the weekend

Wow the local track here is packed on the weekend. Did you guys rent out the track?

The reason they are rich is because they worked a hell of a lot harder than you did.

ZOOPidy Is that really how people get rich? Maybe sometimes they work hard, but is it really all about working hard?

ZOOPidy Or born into rich families. More resources, better connections to the business world...etc.

He had it quiet mode. Push the button to wake up the dead

+John Law Eargasm.

John Law it is not a sound it is amont of usless spent money

Tesla sounded better..

+Bernard Hepburn coming soon..... :)

+Bernard Hepburn ___Oh yeah ! I was like : What's wrong with this picture ! That's exactly it ! Sorry Ferrari !

Ludicrous mode wasn't out yet.

hahaha its more of a wanan be carr

Ludicrous mode or not f12 would have spanked that hippie mobile

yeah me too snow cat

actually u are sedan guy like me anyway love your vids

catsnow!

+snowcatxx87 yo,yo,yo,yo,yo,yo.

+snowcat daddy

add a gear then. Bye bye.

There's no point adding a gear when its motor can't even max out the current gears. It crawls up the speedo so slowly after 130.

Electric motors use magnetism and alternating current

Well, the back EMF can be overcome by field weakening which is a common technique is such high speed high power motors. I think it is fair to assume tesla does something like that. With field weakening the power does not fall off over speed, but stays fairly constant. The limiting factor of the tesla is thus power over weight and aerodynamic drag.

Ummmmm..................an electric motor doesn't have a torque "curve".

ata ny speed? That's Def not true also the nevera gaps it

not at any speed at all lmao

The funny thing is is that it isnt

+Sung-Hyun Kim Damn, you beat me to it..LMAO!!

+Sel Gules Electric cars were built before Gasoline engines, but I see your point, because only now the technology is starting to be seriously engineered.

+Sung-Hyun Kim the funny thing is that it is, in terms of the effort and engineering that went into it compared to gas guzzling engines.

shiva1008 The funny this is is that it isnt

Very Very Very Very Great for a eletric car.

I've been dating for 3 months and my girlfriend keeps getting better and better.

she's a dude.

No, the rev limiter kicks in

+ss Irrelevant. An inherent characteristic of electric motors is that they have full torque instantly which then drops off rapidly as revs increase.

coming soon... :)

why? that is a 2012 ferrari(or 2013)

Iudmbfck x

ferrari is still gonna catch it lol...he had a sluggish start and still beat it by half a second with im guessing 5-12 mph advance...

That's what I was about to say when I saw yours.

5000lb using instant electric power and it still lost plus it cant handle for shit and there's fucking go karts out there with a higher top speed!!!

@@thatwouldbeillegal7047 Wait for Roadster 2020,k kid.

Frosti Frosty Drag racing a car that's purpose is not for racing "Tesla Model S" is non sense. Wait for tesla roadster and do this thing.

Sf

@@christineangela2453 you shut up and go to the kitchen 🤡

One winner,,, and tesla jumped the start

Sore loser talk.

Cam Byers And consuming that energy as quickly as possible ... apparently - lol.

Cam Byers yeah but so far only the rich income people can afford it. 😐

That's why they have a Model S with Ludicrous mode..

cry more. this is always brought up when a Tesla loses. SO WHAT. it LOST

It runs on coal. How is that sustainable?

+Connor Waits The tractor would win. The tractor has much more torque. Besides, the tractor is used to produce food, and the Tesla is not. TROLOLOLOLOLO!!!

+kuba2ve hahah

+Connor Waits whats your point?

+SuperManos Gaming that`s not really true.... while charging it produces a lot of CO2 with the US energy mix of powerplants...

+Christian Goelles USA fuck yeah and so on..... but in Europe it is much more efficient.

Lots of cars can beat that tesla, it canes it off the line and then it's stuck while the other car is still accelerating.

Craig Bickerstaff The only reason the Ferrari won was because of it's superior horsepower. Torque is more useful in the real world. Plus the Tesla will charge for free and costs maybe a 1/3 of the Ferrari.

by the way , tesla weighs about 5000 lb

futmut1000 Depending were you live in the US (not sure about the UK) there are plenty of Supercharge stations ( www.teslarati.com/interactive-tesla-supercharger-map/ ). You are aware you can charge it off of any standard power socket right? What do you drive, considering that you are such an expert on interior? The interior is pretty damn nice for its price and 7 passenger capacity. It's just a more practical car. Also keep in mind this is the fastest, least efficient version of the car. I'm sure that if you are considering buying one to use daily, you would find all the supercharge stations in your area.

futmut1000 Yes, Tesla is installing Superchargers rapidly throughout USA, Europe, China, Japan and Australia. Tesla does not charge one dime to charge. And it only takes 20 minutes to recharge the battery up to half and then a bit more than an hour to go from zero to full. And, again, this costs the driver not one dime. You can already drive from Boston to NYC to Los Angeles and back to Boston for free using the Superchargers. You can also drive around much of Europe already and growing rapidly. So you go ahead and pay for the gas to pollute the earth while many of us drive quiet, pollution free, fast electric cars and we continue to laugh. Our rides are much better and cheaper than yours, but you are too damn stupid and arrogant to figure that one out.

The tesla did win

Lolololol

LMAO, great comment!

@@WUTaNIGGAiAM it clearly says in the video the Ferrari won, are you delusional living in a dream world?

@@WUTaNIGGAiAM when?

watch rimac vs ferrari. electric is the future of pure driving fun.

This idiot.

And me

Any idiot that wants practicality, better launch, and no fuel.

Safe to say these people are not enthusiasts. A tesla model s can replace your saloon cars but not exotic cars.

cardude1992 I disagree, just because they choose a Tesla (far cheaper than a supercar) does not mean they arent enthusiasts. You're original comment says "if they can afford it?", which by the way is one reason they probably chose the Tesla in the first place, because they cant afford a high end Ferrari but still want comparable performance. Them buying a Tesla is just being a smart consumer. P.s: Any enthusiast knows if you want performance you dont go for a Ferrari, as you can buy a cheap Evo and make it a track monster for far cheaper than to buy a high performance supercar.

Tesla jumped...

magic

They figured out how to use electricity... lol

Gas engines and electric motors have very different relationships between torque and rotation speed and futhermore, the Tesla's ability to control its torque such that it doesn't just spin its wheels much when you hammer it. The Ferrari probably has some sort of traction control too, but it can't get its highest torque at as low a road speed as the Tesla can. And remember that the Tesla's "transmission" only has one gear ratio. From what I read, all the Tesla Model Sses can lay down their max torque from nearly a dead stop up to about 45-50MPH, after which point their horsepower plateaus and drops off above about 70MPH.

I believe it's because the Tesla is a torque monster.

more like around 8 seconds

Try telling that to all these damn hipsters jerking off to the Tesla. Have never seen a Ferrari up close in their life, never mind sitting in one, or driving one...you pretty much know nothing about Ferraris until you've driven one, at least for a short while...

Electric cars are the future. The Model S is more practical and the fact that it can pretty much compete with the Ferrari is amazing.

Samuel Tadeo DId you even read what I wrote? Ferraris aren't meant to be practical, if everything in life was designed to be as practical as possible, it would be boring as hell.

Fishfingers232 The way the Tesla accelerate isn't boring

Samuel Tadeo I didn't say it was boring, I'm just saying you shouldn't compare a purpose-built supercar with a family sedan in terms of practicality, it's like saying the Ferrari is worse than a Range Rover because it can't go off-road.

Filling up with gas probably won't be a problem for you if you can afford a F12 in the first place. It's a valid argument though. On the other hand it maybe takes 10 minutes to fill up the F12 and there's no supercharger anywhere close to me, so it'd take me forever to recharge the P85D.

You're a true peasant pal. You actually think the guy in the Ferrari cares about gas prices? lol

TheBlackIdentity We're all peasants bruh. Or did you write that comment from YOUR Ferrari? I said it was a nice touch that the TESLA can fill up for free. Ferrari guy probably doesn't give a fuck, but hey... it's a nice touch to be able to nearly smoke a ferrari and then go fill up for the equivalent of 2 dollars worth of electricity.

Christian Urban try your house

Christian Urban you are kinda wrong with the chargin of the tesla .... in the us there are stations to switch batteries for low prices and takes 2mins for a fully charged batterie and the supercharge only takes 30 mins.... even my small town in norway has supercharges now

XAQ MoonChild LMAO so TRUE

Maintenance on the Ferrari will be more expensive than the Tesla 10 years from now also.

Funny, so you can't argue performance advantage and now resort to resale value. The other take is the money you save on the Tesla can be invested and at the end of ten years you loss less money with the Tesla.

Carlos Gutierrez The batteries on the Tesla are 20,000 dollars alone for each one, without all the rest of the car maintenance costs.

XAQ MoonChild complete different mission profile of the 2 cars... Not comparable!

Maybe you mean "no trap speed" capability, not "no top speed capability". I think the P90D is governed to 155 MPH. That's plenty fast. It makes you wonder what it'll do if the governor was disabled. It's likely just a setting in the software somewhere.

snowrocket, it would probably require a geared transmission to overcome the speed limiting issue. Electric motors have a self-limiting behavior to them. As the speed increases, a counter-voltage is induced that limits the higher currents needed for yet higher speeds. One way to offset this is with a technique known as field-weakening, where the magnetizing field is weakened to reduce this counter-voltage. But with a weaker field you also get reduced torque. Too many people have this notion that everything electrical can be changed with some simple software fix. But there are underlying physical properties that will get in the way.

While the principles you stated are new information to me, I stand by my previous statement about the car being governed to 155 MPH. Tesla has CHOSEN to electronicly limit the top speed, it is not limited by the motors and batteries themselves. The same is true in numerous gas cars, including my own '99 Impreza L 2.2 liter, which is governed to 109 MPH. (Just take a fleeting guess as to how I know that!) Governing is largely done due to liability concerns and the speed ratings of the OEM tires.

snowrocket OK, you may very well be correct in there being an intentional limit in the Tesla. Easy enough to believe. What I am stating is that any electric motor has a limit to the torque it can develop (based on natural current limiting) and the RPM at which it can rotate (before it flies apart). So we can both go away from this conversation knowing that we each had a kernel of truth to our arguments. Cheers!

Well what you are saying is true, but it is only for DC motors; Tesla uses AC motors. This means that by varying the frequency, you can adjust the torque "curve," thereby generating the required torque at a particular speed. And you see all of it with the Roadster now, because electronics is not the issue with Teslas.

Low end power is all that matters. There are speed limits. But im sure you disobey them.

Weight. But also... Tesla is ~$140k. F12 is ~$300k+. Think about it.

***** That's why the Tesla got walked like it was standing still, it was a 1/4 mile drag race dumbass. You sound so butthurt on all these comments its funny AF.

It's like a corolla after 60. How come we haven't seen any roll race with the tesla???? Oh cause it wouldn't be a race. It would lose to every car it raced.

***** So you're saying low end matters because as long it's under the speed limit it's legal and speed is irrelevant because once you're over you're breaking the law? Okay wanna get technical? Accelerate like that in the real world, be charged with reckless driving and excessive display of speed. Doesn't matter how you look at it, it's all illegal. A Tesla accelerates fast but it also runs out of breath fast. But you won't listen because from all the comments I can tell you're an ignorant Tesla fanboy.

Actually. It might in the near future.

Haha cough cough roadster

paulanderson79 you're totally wrong about Tesla's never going to win. The Tesla Roadster 2.0 prototype already goes 0 to 60 in 1.9 seconds with a top speed of 250mph. And handles better because it's AWD and the weight distribution of both batteries and motor are more advanced than the Farrari F12.

Steven He said 'lap'. Teslas are terrible on the track, even an old Golf GTI could beat the Model S P85D around the Nürburgring.

I like cars

They’d rather smell their farts

I don't.

It got gapped from behind witch is proof electric cars got no top end.

Long live v8 fuck the environment

@@Mark_conor this comment didn't age well with the Model S Plaid 🤣

@@MrKooderna 🤦🏽‍♂️ Don’t you have a battery to go charge. Or a fire to extinguish.

1/4 mile ofc. Plaid is a beast

+LASuperAutos Tesla is not a hybrid

electric i mean

id really like to see there accelerations side by side

+LASuperAutos the 918 is a hybrid, in electric mode only it does not perform.

Mohawkje I know i was taking about the Tesla being electric

+FeatchCity hahah Gee I wonder which one! LO

Not when you say it

well sure on a track the tesla lose but in everyday life it win :D right ?

+Matabei Ororoh tottally agree u have 2 keep in mind that it is a family car!

no it does matter, .52second means i can win every time you blink.

Four door saloon versus a Gucci handbag on wheels, I'll take the Telsa everytime!

i can win your girls with my 800hp+back seat :v

lol . . . it would be funny to watch if they dont put F12 to a scrap metal till 2020

Too heavy for what exactly? Its a car for the real world, not a stupid track car with a top speed of 210 which you'll never hit.

***** I'd still take the F12 over the Tesla any day of the year for a real world car. Just like you say top speed doesn't matter on the street, 0-60 doesn't really matter when you are talking about the sense of drama, exclusivity, and sounds the F12 will give you.

IamNotANumber115 Until the crazy, insane maintenance bills come in so that you are afraid to drive the car, which is why used Ferrari's can be found with such low miles. Although a very wealthy person may not care (But man they are beautiful machines aren't they).

MRsjovealek You dont need to repair an electric motor for its entire lifetime of use. The drive train is made to last 1 million miles...

MRsjovealek The cost of maintenance for a normal car is much higher than an electric car, why do you think taxi companies are starting to use hybrids and sometimes even electric cars?

Electric motors were invented way before internal combustion.

Yes sorry, i mean in cars, in the past 100 years we cosidered only gasoline engines leaving electric motors for other uses

Dani Barza I get where you are going and I am on your side, but the first car to go over 100km/h was an electric car in 1901

***** no, the first real car to go 100km/h was electric. Also do you mean train?

+Dani Barza Plus the Tesla cost a fraction of the price

its a comfy luxury family car^ and when do 0-60 in 2,5 secs its far from soulless

Fearzzy there is nothing special about an electric car have good torque, especially when you have awd

InTheZone there is something special about the tesla, i don't see any other electric sub 3 second 0-60 family sedans around

I don't think there are any other sub 3 second family sedans period. One of the really cool things about the Tesla is that on the way home from spanking supercars, it can stop at Costco and load up with a couple of months worth of groceries and everyone can come along.

but my point is it's still a Tesla. I get that it's convenient, but there's no thrill or maximizing the experience from an electric car, you get what I'm trying to say? I'm not saying I would own an expensive million dollar car anyway if I could afford one, but there's no substitute for a sports/super car

@I'm AnesonOD It is better than burning it in an engine, yes. But also, many countries and even many states have a high percentage of renewables, some even close to 100%. My country for instance is 99.7% renewable electricity, sadly though we still burn a lot of fuel for transport.

don't think a 5 seater sedan can sit 7 people bro wtf were you smoking when you posted this

@@colesliva5751 Check the date, at that time you could get a Model S with 7 seats. I have one of them.

So your saying the Tesla is boring and the ferrari is exciting.

Lol no that's not what I'm saying at all

Michael Griffin no that's what I'm saying. Why would you want such a big car with a bunch of stuff you don't need.

Michael Griffin The F12 is a neck breaking, gorgeous piece of art with one of the greatest engine sounds known to man and a beautiful design. The Tesla is a fast electric sedan for the first 5 seconds off the line.

Krevin Grard no

Then upgrade to Ferrari F12 TDF versus..