@@ITubeTooInc ofc, but at the rate he's going with kids he might have spare leftover for earth, lil X definitely going to Mars, he's clearly more involved in the process compared to the others 😂
@@whatnow9653Tesla are not car for handicapped persons, they need fully wellbeing responsible human driver to be take responsible of anything happening! They can accept as Macintosh, stupid customers, who know how to drive but who do not consider risks, but who use their poor abilities to manage risks each time they try to happen...
From what I've seen, this Tesla parking system does very well in the hardest, most complex situations possible, but then struggles with the most simple of tasks. Which is puzzling. Would be cool to see you try some actually really difficult parking spots.
Not long before I can make serious $ renting out my Tesla as a Robo Taxi - just have to factor in all that wheel rim damage and maybe clipping a couple of cars.
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="620">10:20</a> bjorn self driving computer heard u say to not scratch the rim so it parked as far as possible from the curb 😂, cant blame it 👀
Is BMW as bad as this? New BMW , Xpeng Motors is very very effective and being better,but not better and better as they are already excellent! With EJFJ Positive Contextualisation that all brands did not request since March 15th, 1996! With parking places not identified with the size, orientation and physical abilities and limitations (maximum weight, maximum height at the lowest point above the parking slot). Click many times to choose the right place you want to park on is an unrespect of EJFJ Unicity Principle!
I seriously thought dropping the sensors was a pandemic panic move to keep selling cars and that they would return. I'm all for simplifying production and remove redundant systems, but then again they added a IMO silly screen in the rear seat for Highland and those LED lights I am less and less a fan of as I age. Karpathy's presentation on autonomy day actually made me think FSD was possible, the last year or so has almost convinced me until we again heard the data was improved for some regions and some influencers were getting better data/treatment and thus better FSD results ( I know this isn't FSD) . Seriously I just need auto summon to move the car 2-4 meters in and out of tight spots to get in easily.
You can thank EU for ruining summon. In the US auto summon work with 100 meters away. Vision is doing a better job than Bjørn gives it credit for here.
The argument about the "real world" being better. There is actually a huge disadvantage of those panoramas with poles, especially in garages, where Tesla vision is the only thing to be able to prevent side impacts while parking. I think all 3 systems (Panorama, Parking Sensors, Tvision) have their advantage and their disadvantage. For me I'd never use Autopark on any car anyway except on a empty lot like that one haha. I used it once in a Nio and it did it perfectly but I can't take the mental stress versus parking myself.
Ultrasound can also protect against damage to the side. My car, which only has ultrasound and a rear view camera, detects obstacles to the side and even initiates emergency braking before you hit them. Or do you mean if someone slams a door against the car?
@@namanverduYes Nio is getting good things from Xpeng Motors now and deliver them their own abilities... They now begin collaborating effectively, as all brands in the global world should do! On the road, you have to contribute with others, and as in any company, only benefits count!
The VW tech (Skoda, Cupra, etc) with advanced park assist is able to eliminate side collisions using the US sensors. While there are none directly in the middle of the car, they have a sideways set of sensors in rear and front bumpers which pickup obstacles on the go. Depending on steering angle and speed the system calculates the relative position to the obstacle previously registered and will emergency brake as well as give audible and visible feedback. Actually one of the few things that the VW software does really well is parking and driving, if the correct options were checked..
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="849">14:09</a> I don't know the parking rules in Norway, but here in Denmark that parking would definitely be illegal too. In Denmark all of the tire has to be inside the inner edge of the white line of marked parking spots. However, on the much wider lines used for road edge parking parallel to the road, it is allowed to also park ON the line, but the outer edge of the tire still has to be inside the outer edge of the line. But in regular parking spots with narrow line like this, the tires aren't even allowed to touch the lines at all but has to be completely inside the lines.
Excellent video!! I also love that it shows how ridiculously narrow the parking spots along a road is. The standard both in Norway and Sweden is just to narrow for todays cars .... especially with the wheels and rims we typically use. Back in the days when everyone had balloontires this wasnt a problem. plus the cars where narrower.
LOL. A triangle spot will be perfect for Cybertruck one day. Autopark with vision works great for us. It even parks in tight basement condo spaces with posts everywhere. It only backs in. Sure makes life easier. I get it'll work well at Superchargers too. PS We have the latest update running FSD 12.4.3 supervised in Toronto. PPS Hey, parallel parking on the left? Cool! It thinks that line is a curb to avoid rim rash (Tesla owners hate that).
On finding the parallel parking , or backing up locations . Was not being slow it just detects them way more so when you are just past the location . It’s meant for you to pull up to be ready to parallel park which it will at that point highlight the spot . I watched right before the <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="788">13:08</a> mark as you were looking for the spot to show up . I’m thinking , pull up right to where you need to start to parallel park and it will show right up , which it did . Its not meant more so to locate these spots before you get to them .
You are wrong. If it was true what you said then Tesla wouldn’t show those spots in the first place but as always with Tesla’s software. It’s inconsistent. Unfortunately inconsistency is the only thing about Tesla that is consistent^^ Same thing happens if you use NoA and it wants you to change lanes. It pops up, disappears, pops up again and so on. Just pure madness
After watching this video i also watched the toyota autopark video. When the toyota gave you the option to park on the restricted area you said it is the drivers responsibility witch is correct in my opinion. But when the tesla gives you the option to park in an obviously wrong spot suddenly it is the cars fault?
I figured out the Tesla Vision can park in insane complex situations but struggles more with the easy spots... Maybe they overfitted the AI model a bit on complicated scenarios :D
I sometimes use the auto parking on my 2021 Model S with FSD 12.3.9 (2024.14.9). It works pretty well, though I'd go back a bit further than it does when backing up.
I think you’re selectively remembering only the good parts of the BZ4X parking. Its fly around view is cool, but it identified even more incorrect / illegal spots and seems to have more finicky and hard to use UI… at one point you kept selecting a spot over and over and it kept changing it. But it did do better at parallel than the Tesla. And the fly around… it is indeed great!
Randomness is not weird at all. Tesla is using computer vision, where a deep learning model is taking as input the image (e.g. 720x720 table of RGB values) and possibly depth information. That is fed through a deep neural network which then also predicts what is the probability of this being a parking spot. The decision to mark it as a spot will have a threshold: e.g. if probability is higher than 0.8, mark it as a spot. This threshold is either set manually or also learned from data. It is possible that the model's image input was somehow misclassified as a spot in that particular angle.
The first time I used the autopark update it kind of scared me with how quick it was going. In front of my house it's quite random though. Sometimes it doesn't detect it as a parking spot and how wide it parks really is a lottery. After some tiny updates it doesn't get uncomfortably close to some poles protecting a tree though, that's something nice!
I think that it depends how clise youvare from start of the line before it starts to reverse to the selected spot. Try to go to left side park from right side of the "street" <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="453">7:33</a>
It’s ridiculous that you can’t praise it. It’s fast, it gives me a lot of options, show me another car which can do this! They are all slow as shit and you don’t want to use it. This is something I’m using, because it doesn’t park like grandma!
1:18 it did park exactly where he selected first , the screen started giving him options but he chose , and touched the screen that was clearly not a parking spot to see if it would park there , which it did . So , (yes) you are correct. @RogerM-ox6ni A person looking at the screen would know that that is not a parking space so would not have chosen there . A person has to physically choose the spot to park . The software will over time be better programmed to know what is not a valid parking spot
Everyone likes to make fun of Tesla, which is well justified before this new Tesla vision autopark update. It used to be so bad comparing to BMW, Audi and Mercedes’s offering. But as someone who uses 2024 Q8 Etron daily (and Tesla a few times a week), this new update has made the autopark feature far surpassed the old ultrasonic version and also far surpassed those German car’s offering, probably unmatched by everyone else in the US market. Now I use Tesla’s autopark every time when I park in parallel or perpendicular and it does a perfect job almost every time. Audi’s offering is hard to trigger and can be used in far fewer scenarios. I tried BMW’s latest offering, it is a bit better than Audi, but still in the same level. Tesla’s one is on the next level now. It is actually being useful. This is not something you can get from a test video, even from someone I highly respect. Also in first failure of his video, he purposely chose a wrongly detected spot, which is never an actual use case when he has multiple good spots he could choose from. I have parked into similar parallel parking spots before and I don’t have the similar problem here in the video. It might be the model is not well trained for Europe road and being too conservative, or maybe the software version in his car has a regression on this parking scenario - this is one real downside for Tesla’s ADAS and general softwares. It could get worse on certain things in some seemingly minor updates. They may eventually get fixed, but can be annoying
I think that kind of painting of the first angled parking spot is probably very unusual. Most parking spaces would have a hatched pattern on the triangular forbidden area.
this is interesting, here in California I've only tried parallel park on the right hand side, and it's pretty good at recognizing the spots. Maybe it's AI and they don't have much data on parallel spots on the left
Doesn't seem to recognize the parallel parking spots correctly because they are very narrow, you can clearly see on the car that the box is wider than the actual spot because it expect a minimum width to be able to park into (I think it's more tailored to the more wide US parking spots width) but when used in parking spots of bigger size it works perfectly fine.
I think Tesla should change how it decides where to park. When the car starts getting closer, the cameras start seeing the space more accurately, but the car has already locked into the position and cant make it better Exact example of this being useful is literally the first test. It thought it saw a spot far away, but was incorrect. It should be able to see it isnt actually a spot once it gets close
I think it works pretty well in mine. It could be and seems to be getting better. I get the AR display with FSD. When I did not subscribe it was just like this. I have HW4 cameras too
I had already a few years back a autopark feature in my MB. Never used it, as I think these systems are too slow and it really is not difficult to park a car. I have a TESLA now, I not have the autopark feature, but even If I had, I would never use it. I don´t use the autopilot as well, as I don´t see the benefit of using any kind of autopilot features independent of what brand it is. Adaptive cruise control is a great feature though. Tesla vision is not rubbish, but for autopark I think it´s close to rubbish.
Hi Bjorn, not sure if it is the same in Norway as in Sweden? But I am from the UK and live in Sweden. In the UK most people reverse in to parking spaces as arguably it easier as you have more flexibility with steering angle and easier when pulling out from a parking spot, especially in a shopping centre carpark. However I have found over the years in Sweden most people go forward in to a parking space and I have had many a crossword when trying to reverse in to a space and I get the dumb face of how did I know you were reversing in to that space. “Clue the reverse lights give it away”.😡. My point is that it seems as with most cars inc Tesla that the systems seem to work better by reversing into the parking space rather than the car going in forwards. Let’s see how much arguments that causes in Sweden. 🤣🤣
I went back to standard because I like the measurements showing. Don't know why they don't show measurements on the vision? Wish the discharge/charge bar isn't so microthin that you have to take your eyes off the road now to see it. It's useless to me now.
On a scale from 1-10 I would give it two different values. For parallel a max of 3-4, but for the boxes a 5-6. I do need need either. I had autoparking on my old Mercedes from 2017 (which worked perfectly) but used it maybe 3-4 times for show. Did not even buy it for the Tesla, because I am old-fashioned: if one cannot park, one should not drive.😂
@@bjornnyland 42k plus is expensive to my humble soul and the parking technology should be working correctly for a technology company like tesla. We all work hard for the money.
Disregarding the price of the car itself, the option to be able to auto-park costs several thousands of euros on its own. And it does not even include "full self driving". So, that cost should probably be factored into the result as well.
@@mrb2349 I agree but as customers we have the right to ask more for our bucks as this does not excuse their decision to take away sensors and not make that huge glasd roof heat and Uv resistant especially that this impacts the consumption. Cheaper thermic cars do have sensors and better autopilots. Do you agree that we are talking about a tecgnology company?
On our 2017 Tesla Model S all kind of Autopark functions started not functioning anymore after a few years. After like 5 years, neither parallel nor vertical Autopark works anymore. So whoever thinks "this will be fixed through a software update". Be careful about this hope, because it might not come true.
The foundation is laid no other companies is doing auto parking with only neural nets and can be updated over the air (Many automotive manufacturers do not develop their parking assistance systems themselves: instead, they integrate systems sourced from specialized suppliers into their cars and cannot be updated.). It will be interesting to see how it performs in one year.
Oh man, if it was a choice between parking like that and scratching the rim, I would definitely take scratching the rim for the sake of safety. I mean that park was utterly hopeless.
To be just: we know it, but a computer system would probably require to have the triangles between the park positions crossed out to identify them as non-parking positions. On the other hand: maybe in the future Tesla might teach their SW to require parallel borders, or sufficient room for the whole car.
Wow, this video perfectly captures the essence of my 2021 Tesla Model Y! I've owned this beauty for a couple of years now, and I have to say, it’s been an exhilarating experience every single time I get behind the wheel. The dual-motor all-wheel-drive system delivers an incredible 384 horsepower, providing a thrilling acceleration that never fails to impress. The instant torque from the electric motors makes it feel like a rocket. One thing I love about my Model Y is the handling. Tesla has done a great job with the suspension setup, and it corners like a dream. The low center of gravity, thanks to the battery pack being located under the floor, makes the ride much smoother and more responsive. Whether I'm cruising down the highway or taking on winding roads, the Model Y holds its own and then some. The interior of my Model Y is another highlight. The minimalist design is both comfortable and futuristic, making long drives enjoyable. The 15-inch touchscreen is user-friendly and responsive, with features like built-in navigation, streaming services, and a suite of advanced driver-assistance systems. The sound system delivers crisp and powerful audio that makes every drive feel like a concert.
you have to be joking when you talk about the suspension setup being even close to the word dream🤣 The Model 3 and Y Share the majority of suspension components and both are known for having a shit suspension setup. Which i can fully agree on my model 3. Other than i can somewhat agree with you. But please don stick your D into some holes of the car
You should read the manual how to use the parking assistant. It says you first need to drive and pass the parking spot with a maximum speed and if the parking spot is behind the car then you should start the parking procedure. With the new vision it can probably also recognize the parking spots in front of the car but then it is maybe not that accurate. But in your test it worked quite well as soon as multiple cameras detected the spot. So maybe you need to give the car a chance to see it with more then one camera if you want the parking to be more accurate. It is maybe comparable if you close one eye and try to park your car. It will work somehow but the distance guessing is much more accurate with more than one eye 😉
Its a big mistake when they removed the normal parking sensors around the car. Xpeng is now the car Tesla shell have been. On Xpeng all features ust works.
Biggest problem is Tesla has only one product developer and opinion. Musks ego is the problem, never accept failures and learn. Tesla should dump Musk from leadership and start to listen to the customers.
@@timogronroos4642 If Musk is not in Tesla, then Tesla can go wrong way, so its safest to have him there. Then the people know what they get, we totalt will not know if it will be bether there is no proof about that.
I would have agreed to that a year ago. However, after Tesla finally delivered on parking visualization (which I think is more practical than top-down camera views😊) and auto wipers (which are now at least as good or bad as those of cars from the year 2000 😅), I am fairly sold on the idea of doing everything with cameras. That being said, a front bumper camera is still a necessity. I fully agree on Musks ego though. And I find it disgusting to see him support DT.
@@timogronroos4642 Tesla wil lose more supporters then and they dont know ho steos in. Now all know what they get. Vut if Elon gies then I bet company will suffer more.
@@timogronroos4642 Been saying this for some time now. He did a great job getting good EV's out there but has been a liability for Tesla since about 2019
I mean, for a system using cameras only it is actually not that bad . I had golf 8 with auto park and it was a hit or miss when I tried it to use for fun .
@@mowcowbell it's still the only EV in the price range I would confidently take out on rough country roads. Anything else you risk damaging the battery.
EU regulation nerfing the system, even thou Norway is not an EU member... When EU nerf is gone it will work a lot better with parking and most other self driving.
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Tesla are not designed for small Norwegian parking spots :-D
I've read somewhere that tesla doesn't use 360 camera system because it is patented by nissan or something and everyone else who has it need to pay nissan a small cut for using the 360 camera system. Hence why they had to figure out some other way to picture car in space so it doesn't violate the patent. Don't take my word for it though 😅
