With respect, I think Tesla fumbled a bit. What they presented is absolutely amazing. Instead of 40 minutes of screen saver, why not live feeds from dozens of Teslas driving FSD 12.5.x all over North America? (After the event I drove my Model Y between Los Angeles and Oxnard round trip twice in five days. 180 miles. I touched the steering while two or three times during those trips. Zero fatigue. Absolutely amazing. NO ONE KNOWS HOW GOOD FSD IS. So 1. the event should've started with just how amazing FSD has become. Two, the trope, true or not, 'when Elon is on stage alone, take whatever he says with a grain of salt.' Maybe it's nonsense. So what. The other part of that trope is, when other Tesla team leaders are on stage with him and presenting, it's got more credibility. So why not do this? Three, They should've announced that the Optimus bots would be teleoperated, have others roped off functioning autonomously. I watched it thinking that I hadn't heard anything said by an Optimus because it just sounded like a person. What then happened was the 'idiots' (to use Sandy's term) when they figured it out jumped all over it calling it fake. The movement control and facility, was amazing. Teleoperating didn't undermine what we saw, except it wasn't made clear. (The Optimus video Tesla just released has an 'Autonomous' label in the upper right corner of the frame. That's the way to do this. ) In the end, of course the share price dropped. Meh. What this is is another chance to invest in Tesla at a steep discount. Which is good. The bottom line of course is no matter if you think Tesla is good or bad at shown'n'tell, they've got the future five years ahead of everybody else. (And caveat. Musk's deep involvement with a particular political candidate could send the stock all over the place for the next month. In the end it will settle down and eventually sky rocket again. Musk and his guy may win or lose, but FSD owns autonomous driving, Optimus, by applying FSD, will also soon be dominant. Robotaxi? Same. Robovan? Great. Could replace a lot of municipal runs. For a minute I thought, I should've gone to the event. (It's near where I live.) But then for weeks, I've been driving hands off, relaxing, at freeway speeds, in heavy Los Angeles traffic....
Except that the first thing he talks about are how the robots are dancing and not bumping into people. The robots were remote controlled by human beings. They were not autonomous. Maybe he doesn't know as much as he thinks he does.
Tesla FSD faces yet another probe after fatal low-visibility crash The Register® - Biting the hand that feeds IT Offbeat 67 comment bubble on white Tesla FSD faces yet another probe after fatal low-visibility crash Musk’s camera-only approach may not be a great idea after all? iconBrandon Vigliarolo Fri 18 Oct 2024 // 18:37 UTC Tesla is facing yet another government investigation into the safety of its full self driving (FSD) software after a series of accidents in low-visibility conditions. In its latest opening resume [PDF] into a Tesla FSD investigation, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) said that it's taking a look at Tesla self-driving systems due to four accidents, one involving an injury and another fatally striking a pedestrian. All four accidents occurred in "an area of reduced roadway visibility conditions" with FSD, either beta or supervised, engaged. "In these crashes, the reduced roadway visibility arose from conditions such as sun glare, fog, or airborne dust," the NHTSA noted, adding that it was opening the inquiry to assess "the ability of FSD's engineering controls to detect and respond appropriately to reduced roadway visibility conditions."In addition, the NHTSA will examine if any further accidents, aside from the four mentioned, are linked to FSD's poor performance in low-visibility conditions. The agency will also review whether Tesla implemented any changes to FSD that could have worsened its ability to handle such scenarios. The investigation includes all 2016-2024 Model S and X vehicles, 2017-2024 Model 3, 2020-2024 Model Y and 2023-2024 Cybertrucks outfitted with FSD, covering around 2.4 million vehicles. Maybe removing all those sensors wasn't a great idea after all? Tesla owner Elon Musk has had a long-standing opposition to the use of things like ultrasonic sensors, radar and lidar in his quest to achieve unassisted full self driving, instead preferring AI and cameras to do the job. The EV maker has since committed entirely to computer vision, eliminating additional sensors in its latest model year vehicles. That means that aside from being able to see in the dark like most modern cameras, Tesla vehicles are ostensibly just as good at seeing in fog, sun glare or excess airborne dust as a human driver, with the added caveat that it's an AI making the decision, not a human.
Now to play devils/Sandy’s advocate; The most amazing thing about the whole presentation was ‘nothing’. No injuries or accidents, no major fails; no big deal. And there were plenty of opportunities to fail; the bots, the bots dancing, the cars mixing with people, people touching and interacting with the taxies. All in all, it was truely amazing having no fails.
@@dogtato I think the remote controlled bots, the remote controlled cars, only allowing VIP’s to be in the live audience, the lack of details, the lack of model 2, the bleh presentation by Musk, the lack of questions and the implications that hardware 3 cars won’t get FSD; are enough reasons for most people.
@@ClayBellBrewsyou’re so out of touch. The Robotaxis were all working autonomously and the Optimus bots were mainly working autonomously but had minders around them for safety who also had the control over some minor functions for the sake of eliminating anything going wrong in this environment, though they released a video following day showing all of these actions could be done autonomously. As for hardware 3, it’s virtually guaranteed to be compatible. Hardware 4 and AI5 have some added functionality which will be replicated in programs for the #3. But for heaven’s sake, if you don’t believe in it, don’t invest in Tesla. Elon has stated this on a number of occasions. Just don’t criticise things in ignorance, inform yourself before levelling this kind of criticism.
@@ClayBellBrewsany a small part of what the bots did was remote control. Most like the walking and dancing was all autonomous the cars were all autonomous. Hardware 3 will get FSD. Tesla has said this over and over again. Releasing the model 2 would be an absolutely stupid idea and would kill 3 and y sales. Hopefully they can hide it till it's almost ready to ship
I’m a woman I watch your videos. I have a Monroelive sticker on my Model Y. However I did work in automotive parts for 25 years before I married my wonderful husband who said I no longer had to work 👍🏼❤️
Thank you! I feel the exact same way, as there is no true competitor to Tesla at this moment in time, and the technology will only get better and better, and so most people particular the boys and girls on WallStreet, don’t seem to understand what this Tesla vision thing is all about, and what Sandy and others have learned, is that it is never a good idea to bet against Elon Musk, as he has demonstrated a type of ability to do things and accomplish things that no one else has done or willing to do for that matter. So hating on Elon Musk will not change the fact that Musk is the only CEO on the planet, that’s talking about self driving cars, saving the planet, and going to Mars. Comphrende. Cheers 🥂
@AdamWellinformed It truly is embarrassing to see how dumb some Americans are. Sandy is most likely a large Tesla stockholder and paid Tesla pumper ,so most likely has a vested interest. I have seen some of his videos where he kisses Musks arse and never ever uses his amazing engineering prowess to ask the tough questions .Musk dumped 30 billion in shares when they hit their peak and they have been declining ever since .Tesla fan boys are being duping by the master duper.
You can't be insightful when you are biased as a stock holder, no objectivity.... Just a salesman, just go to 4:20 if you want to see what the purpose of the video was. moron munro is also visibly in mental decline, but likely in denial of that. Shit event, but morons love to eat shit
Sandy, I'm a 34 yr old woman who's been watching your show for a long time. Your authentic non-scripted views make me come back to watch you again and again. Please never stop :) Anyway, one of the reasons I went electric is because I was tired of getting out in the cold here in Australia, driving to the petrol station and filling up the tank with pricey dinosaur juice. Now, we have 2 Model 3s at home and we just charge in the garage, but having induction charging would make it so much easier.
Haters are going to hate and as he pointed out, most of them have done nothing but bag on those who have done things. When the haters come out, it's a good indicator that the winners are winning.
Dear Mr. Munro, I'm writing to express my sincere admiration for your work in the automotive industry. Your engineering expertise is evident in your Tesla's design descriptions, and I have a deep respect for your contributions to the field. While I acknowledge Elon Musk's vision and leadership, I want to emphasize that my appreciation extends beyond him to the brilliant engineers who bring that vision to life. Your role in shaping Tesla is a testament to your skill, dedication, and work history. Thank you
I'm a 19 year old, passionate in BEV tech since I was 13 and have been learning everything I can about the EV market. It was such a cool event, and for people to say that Tesla can't achieve FSD... well, SpaceX wasn't supposed to be able to catch a 24-story building, and they did it on the first attempt.
You’re on the right track youngster. You remind me of myself when I switched careers back in 1983 to follow my conviction that computers were the way of the future. My friends were skeptical. But what a ride it was. I retired early. 🙂 Stick with your pursuit of EV technology (and AI too if you’re interested). And you to will be rewarded. You aren’t too late.
If It’s such a genius idea why don’t they use it on planes? These monstrosities were supposed to provide point to point travel at prices cheaper than airlines. That doesn’t even come close to passing the sniff test! They have sorta kinda successfully landed only one Starship which isn’t even remotely close to be human rated. You wanna put your ass in that tin can?!
@@richardwolf6269wow. You aren't very bright are you? Planes have had a very good autopilot system for a VERY long time. I have flight controllers that have zero issues controlling any number of flying objects as long as you program the parameters correctly. You can easily extrapolate the existing tech to reliably do this. Unfortunately rocket science isn't very hard anymore with all the tools that do the hard work for you. The accuracy and reliability of SpaceX systems has been good enough for NASA to use them almost exclusively now for astronauts....or did you forget about that whole Boeing situation already?
You keep aiming for the stars do not worry about the many adults which lost hope and innovation, plus creativity. You keep building your experience and hope for the future and you will be working at Tesla or Space X. Continue to push yourself forward. The future is super amazing and cool
@@richardwolf6269 NASA requested Space X for saving people trapped on ISS and they accomplished this event. You stay on your negative lifestyle and leave the younger generation to achieve greatness.
@@jeffrejr1 If you owned a Tesla, you'd know what quality means! Well... I am a bit less definitive as to the interior of my 2019 Model 3! But the drivetrain's quality is simply remarkable. But yeah, Teslas are not built to take people to space, but to present the best possible quality/price ratio. Both companies have outstanding engineering teams... probably #1 and #2 in the world... I don't know which one is which...
I like it, how about a family vacation? More fun when you join another family your kids are friends with to enjoy the ride in a RoboVan instead of being stuck in the front seat with the kids fighting over snacks.
Maybe 20 years ago, a modern diesel with SCR has emissions that are no more noxious than anything else. Plus most of them are going to gas engines for lower cost of ownership a la the 7.3 Ford V8 chassis cabs. That's not a valid concern in 2024.
Why wouldn’t anyone who’s dedicated decades of their life to studying cars inside and out professionally be supportive of a groundbreaking company like Tesla?? The automotive industry has been slow moving and repetitive forever and Tesla has done nothing but reinvent and innovate and produce what ppl say won’t/can’t be done
@@mgarcia8878, it looks much the same _on the outside_. Everything else has been improved f ex batteries, motors, computer hardware, seats, quality improvements all over. If you don't believe me, try driving an early Tesla and a new one. They might look about the same, but that's only on the outside And then you have the Cybertruck which is substantially unlike any other car in existence.
@@SteinErikDahle they no longer the leader in batteries, motors and hardware. Their only advantage is their charging network and their economies of scale.
@@mgarcia8878 , no, Tesla is still far ahead. Take FSD: not quite ready for prime time yet, but unlike Waymo and others there's no need for prepping with hires mapping of specific areas to enable self-driving. Not much more than an over-the-air software update will be needed because everything else needed is factory installed and ready for use. No other car comes close to this.
Tesla hate everywhere.lol This is what makes the accomplishments Tesla makes even better. Tesla is smart knowing that all 3 products, robovan,taxi and bot are going to benefit them first. They will literally be their first customer. The robot will be their labour force before anyone else's. This will drop the production cost astronomically.
Wireless charging is not fast charging. Its primary benefit is being able to charge without plugging in and unplugging the car when it is parked. It is certainly an improvement. "Inductive" charging that involves two pads being bought together is faster than wireless charging,however, it is still much slower than DC charging.
@@ViniciusMiguel1988 New inductive chargers achieve within 1% the same efficiency than regular "cabled" chargers! That's why nobody but you is talking about energy losses.
I see a few other advantages to inductive charging: 1. No cable to be stolen, nothing that can be easily sabotaged or fail, resulting in much higher availability and lower maintenance costs. 2. Easily implementable on every curbside parking space in cities, with all the advantages of point 1. Just park your car... or rather let it park itself... input the parking space number in an app... and the car will be recharged overnight as you sleep, It solves the problem of people that cannot home-charge. You'll also find your car the next morning pre-cooled to your liking in the summer, or pre-warmed and de-frosted in the winter! 3. No clumsy charging cable in your garage. Although, that's rather a detail. 4. No charging port and door to fail or be frozen stuck... or to be on the wrong side of the car! A fully solid-state system. As far as charging speed is concerned, I read that inductive charging can reach "300 kW and higher"... which, if true and applicable to cars, would be more than sufficient to replace DC fast-chargers.
I didn't know this Tesla demo was to demonstrate the 2 door Tesla model 2 in heavy traffic. As a bus driver I can tell you cars, bikes and pedestrian traffic is unpredictable sometimes. So, the level of tech preventing all these object hitting each other is impressive. 😮
I would be surprised if Tesla goes with Carbon Fiber for the Robo Taxi body. I do think there is a good chance it will be plastic--just not something as brittle and expensive as CF. My guess is they will want to eliminate the paint shop so color will be molded in. Maybe similar to the Pontiac Fiero--SMC and RIMM?
Sandy, as an engineer, I agree with you that people in the media, and other nincompoops, are not entitled to an opinion about something that they no nothing about.
This is largely Tesla's own fault. They are a tech and influencer driven company. They are not engineers first and foremost from an outward public perception. So that's who they attracted as their core fan base.
Sandy is great. He is a wealth of information about the car manufacturing industry. The comment about the FAA and SpaceX launch licenses is about politics, which Sandy is not right about. The launch license action was for a short period of time in line with SpaceX's own assessment of an incident with a second stage engine relight failure.
My problems with 20kW+ inductive car charging are 1. Energy losses, good systems get about 90% effective, one the plus side you wont get cut wires on those, it's better with autonomy since you dont need to plug in. 2. You need a high power rectifier the car, increasing weight and cost 3. Radiation/interference from high power inductive charging in cities. You have to be very careful with other devices (and talking 50-100kW+, also meat!) in vicinity.
Yeah. Inductive charging makes some sense with small devices like phones. But when you're talking high voltage devices like cars with distance between the induction coil and the device, it's just not the greatest idea. Definitely not a viable solution for a home user. But autonomous fleets? It starts to make sense there.
@@scythelord a high power induction charger will have to close the gap to the car by extending upwards to the car. The closer Antenna und receiver, the less losses you get. But e.g. 200kW fast charging via induction? Thats professional Radar grade radiation and can cause LOTS of harm... I once saw a bird flying in front of a radar dish and fall dead to the ground
I was thinking Sandy would not make this mistake but this is not inductive charging. This is resonant charging which has comparable losses to the cable charging. And the reason the charging was only 19KW is probably the power connection there was not good enough. Ultimetly they will probably do it up to 50KW.
About the van you said you love the styling, didn’t get a chance to ride in it and were blown away by „everything“. That pretty much sums up what we learned about the van. Nothing. We knew they’re working on a van previously. Unfortunately we only got to see the design. Yes, the writers have no idea. But me as a 2016 all in Tesla investor know one or two things about the company and this was their worst event yet. „Prototypes are easy, production is hard“ This is what Elon said years ago. That mindset has clearly changed to prototypes are enough for an event.
Also since 2016 gamblers have not understood anything about motivation, vision, mission and party when it’s time to appreciate what is done. So only stupid idiots ask for cheap 25‘000 USD cars causing as much effort than selling a founders edition CT for over 100‘000 USD at a good profit for you too. Than selling 220‘000 more ‚cars‘ in Q2 than reported? Have you ever remarked yet that Tesla sold that profit with PowerPacks? What do you really not understand as a shareholder? I was mostly impressed of how cities could look like with lesser cars. This must be the aim and CyberCab is the answer. There is now way in that worldwide political and economic situation to be more forefront due to existing regulations that must be changed first. But how with final products? Are you so silly to not understand greedy hypocrisy and envious reactions of all the others? This ‚show’ was just perfect to show what is coming but not yet the secret details for all competition able to copy anyhow not few, and all well hidden by the Hollywood touch! But the content was no joke at all and very real for people like Sandy Munro and me as consultant and once European Marketing Executive of the biggest St. Paul based visionary and still innovative company founded back in 1906!
I was blown away by the CyberTruck coupe design, it looked like the future. A few years from now everyone will be copying Tesla. The Robovan looks amazing, and yes it does look like iRobot a bit, so what, no one else dare to do it, to take that chance. Tesla is really way ahead of the game!
As soon as Sandy said "limousine" I was like "OH MY GOD" RoboVan will be the #1 pick for weddings etc. All the 5 star hotels will need them for fancy pants events and hollywood crap or get demoted to 4 star.
Is the inductive loss when charging not an issue anymore? I get the not wanting to step out in the rain part, but when you are talking about cheap robots doing repetitive work in the same video, I thought - why not put a robot at the charging station to simply plug in the charging cables for all cars that pull up? Or has energy really gotten that cheap in the US?
Sandy, what exactly were you blown away by? A 2-seater taxi with NO manual drive option that literally makes no sense? Or a bus with 14 seats that Elon said has 20 (it obviously doesn't)? Or the robots that were operated by humans and seem to have the level of capabilities of a 5-year-old Boston Dynamics creation? Very interested to hear the SPECIFIC things you were blown away by, because right now, you just sound like a fanboy.
Sandy, I love the performance of my FSD thus far, and it will only get better, however, it does not work in the rain because the cameras are obscured. This means that a person in a robotaxi will have to stop and wait for the rain to pass before the car can proceed, no? I see this as an Achilles heal, especially cities with high yearly rainfall. Your thoughts, please.
I also thought the the robotaxi would be the Tesla 2. The robovan is the next Amazon cargo van. airport shuttle, city bus and school bus. With no human interventions the vehicle would be safer leading to reduction in insurance.
I’m not an engineer, but as far as i know gas stations have roofs and as soon as you fill up you can drive away… i don't get the logic of these arguments for inductive charging
robovan decked out as a mobile home like people do to sprintervans... Imagine driving your hotel room around a scenic drive around the grand canyon or something.
You skipped over quite a couple of legitimate criticisms: a) The robots - as impressive as their mechanics seem to be - were obviously pupeteered/remote controlled. Until an AI controls them like they appeared is still quite a while away. b) the atrocious inefficiency of inductive charging. Sure, it's the non-plus-ultra of convenience, but some robot arm that plugs your car in would be overall better? c) Tesla has been promising full self driving "soon" for...almost a decade now? So a healthy dose of scepticism in order, I wager. The annoying thing to me is that the presented things really seem very cool, but they just seem to have used all the sexy stuff to completely wash out the legit concerns.
There were so many issues besides all the blatant deception taking place at the reveal but Sandy just pretends not to see despite his expertise. Wall St reacted they way it did because it would appear we are quite a few years off from seeing any of these in real numbers (as opposed to the fake Tesla Semi).
A) don’t know to what extent they were controlled. Was the individual in a body suit controlling every single part or were they simply clicking the parking button and having it do the rest. B) inductive charging isn’t atrociously inefficient. With new advancements it’s within 90% as efficient as wired. But what you didn’t mention was that DC fast charging losses efficiency as well so honestly if we are ok with those losses for convenience then we are fine with other conveniences. C) what are you talking about, it’s already out and working. These aren’t small tasks and missed promise dates for something one can’t really offer a legitimate timeframe for is understandable. They are accomplishing goals others have yet to dream of. But sure he promised some stuff it took longer to deliver on, but hey he’s brought economies of scale to satellite internet, lands rockets, and has delivered electric cars that cost less than the average car.
@@KTMcaptain _"don’t know to what extent they were controlled..."_ *ALL* of it... They are not "robots", they were human-controlled mannequins. It was all pathetically easy-to-spot smoke & mirrors. FSD is a mirage, it will _never_ be approved with the current hardware, it's really that simple. It's a cool party trick to impress/scare your friends, _nothing more_ .
One thing that Sandy didn’t mention was the variability of what can be included in the Robovan. When he was talking about family use, it seems to me that like NYK determined the van is a platform that can include equipment carrying, wheel chair usage, bed accommodation, tool access, other handicap/accessibility desires, etc. The range may be limited by the top speed but the it can be more needs based then mentioned. This also applies to repair services, food services, etc. that exist in the city. It lends itself to some of the ideas surfaced by the Canoo vehicle.
@@seanmitchell3782 no one said it was impossible. The problem is Elon claims we should be on mars 10years ago and self driving cars 10years ago and everything is 3 years away from reality and none of it is true. He fakes everything. Yeah he self landed a booster but blew up the frikkin ship!
@@seanmitchell3782 *Nobody* said that booster recovery was _impossible_ , it was just deemed *impractical* . The Falcon 9 loses a lot of lift capability to have a returnable booster, it's simply a compromise that may, or may not, be actually useful.
My wife switched to an electric Peugeot 208E, I thought she’d like the amount of money saved each month. She says for her, the big benefit is never having to visit a petrol station again.
@@barr96 oh, you‘re one of the few naive people who really believe that Tesla would pay youtubers to talk positive about Tesla?😂😂🤦🏻♂️ Don‘t be so ignorant, seriously. It‘s so easy to spot someone who clearly get‘s his information from legacy media AND who even believes what he reads there!😅
@skydiver151 don't be so presuming... I carry tesla stock, I have done since 2020. If you watched the same presentation as me, you'll see what this chap is banging on about is inaccurate HYPE
On mistake Sandy made is saying “there is no rear seat”… false… “there are no FRONT seats”. Rear seats are vastly cheaper than front seats. I have a 2015 KIA (near bottom end vehicle) which has both seats being heated, cooled, adjustable, the drivers side has multiway electric adjustments. No massage function etc. These are rear seats… which makes sense as passengers ride in the rear seats. That means MUCH cheaper seating.
Reporters paid by word count only need to be able to turn a one paragraph report into a multi-page document. People who inform others know how to reduce complex subjects into factual, easily understandable information. Thank you Sandy for your brief bits of continuing knowledge.
So my concern about the inductive charging is the massive losses. This limits the top end of the power transmission because that extra power has to go somewhere and that’s heat.
The car getting cold while you fill up the tank is a problem for ice cars? And you actually say that with a straight face while claming you know alot about cars..... i dont know what to say.
Thanks for validating some of my thoughts on the event, to a tee. Your explanation of the negative press makes sense. I was so confused by it and wall streets initial reaction. I've loved and appreciated your content over the years.
Those who know, do, those who understand, have always done, and appreciate, as seems to be the case of Mr. Sandy Answers, support, participate, and applaud! Fantastic! Need more? 💖💖💖👏👏👏👏👏👏🌟💐🗽
Ok Sandy you've had your little rant .Firstly Musk promised FSD in 2016 and he did this robotaxi bs in 2019 for those with memory problems. There is so much to unpack here that I cannot be bothered wasting my time . I will ask that people utilise their critical thinking skills to see this event for what it was ,just a Tesla stock pumping exercise. One question Sandy ,would you go down the freeway at 60mph in a car with no controls in it that's guided by Tesla fsd ?
It’s interesting when people like you (scum) hop out of the woodwork to point fingers and shout about how Musk first mentioned autonomous vehicles in 2016. Do you have any insight whatsoever into the complexities involved? Clearly not. None of the companies developing it have yet launched a really good product. Waymo? No. It’s heavily dependent on remote control. Even setting that aside, it’s not scalable and the cost per vehicle are ridiculous. Nonetheless, it’s really clever what they’ve done. So, Musk said they’d have FSD by 2017 or whatever, well, you try solving perhaps the most difficult problem mankind hs ever tried to tackle and let us know how you get on. We can see for ourselves how Tesla is getting on - extremely well, but still not ready for full autonomy. Why not try a little thought? A stock pump? Are you serious? When has Tesla’s stock ever gone up after a product demonstration? They weren’t launching anything you could buy at the event or immediately after. So what makes you imagine that they would think that the stock would rise as a result of the event? How about listening to the people who know something? Sandy is giving you his opinion based on a lifetime of experience. One of Tesla’s competitors has waded in and said the Robots were seriously impressive and that they were absolutely right to have them partially Tele operated. Dr Scott Walker, a robotics engineer has explained in some detail what we were witnessing and how impressive it was, as well as pointing out where he was still looking for more progress. Lots of others with much better right to an opinion than you and I, have given favourable feedback on the event and products demonstrated. How about you have a little humility? (Btw “Waisting” is not a word. Try “wasting”)
Hey man just remember the old game. When a company fails to deliver for years (semi, model 2, roadster, FSD, etc…) all they need to do to pump the stock is to show idiots like the one in this video a new toy and a promise them they’ll have it in a couple years and boom they have another year of time to figure out what else they can bullshit
Sandy/team!! Did you see the Optimus video clip they released where they showed the 4680 cells in the car, then split to the robot with the computer sandwiched to it....? I counted the cells in the car, I'm not joking, 420 cells 😂.
Sandy, when you were talking about Optimus, you referenced Spot, the robot dog, made by Boston Dynamics. You said that that's the closest thing that you've ever seen to what Optimus can do. Have you seen the Atlas Humanoid Robot, also by Boston Dynamics? Its pretty athletic & agile. If you have seen it, how would you compare Optimus to Atlas?
Boston is intended for industrial. They have no path to everyday consumer availability. Atlas might be on track but Tesla has the manufacturing capability to mass produce something we can actually buy
Dear Sandy, I appreciate your engineering knowledge and how generously you share your expertise with the world. Thanks for informing and inspiring me. I grant you honourary citizenship of Australia and the keys to every city. God bless you.
Why should I trust Tesla autonomous products when Elon says "And I'm like, the last thing I would do is trust a computer program, because it's just too easy to hack."
Top 5 Optimus Use Cases at Munro: 1. find and fetch parts for employees to reference from storage 2. clean the facility 3. buy groceries 4. cook 5. tour guide for visitors I really would love to see him take apart cars, but I think that the AI is not there yet.
I’m a Tesla investor but have concerns from the We Robot event. 1) The robovan market is small for a vehicle of that size. 2) EVs are great for countries with great charging infrastructure networks. That’s not in most countries. Why is nobody talking about having to build out an inductive charging network? 3) The wing doors on the Robocab looks very cool, but isn’t practical. Many buildings/car spots don’t have the space for those doors to open. Common guys, as much as I love Tesla, we need to have some objectivity.
It's a concept car, so details change. Apparently the doors are going to get worked over to use less space. Robo taxis are the solution to all the flaws with electric vehicles. Changing infrastructure, cost, insurance, range... all solved.
Feels like an impossible task for the average Tesla investor especially when they listen to sandy. It’s crazy that we can’t just look at a stupid idea and call it a bad idea
Charging losses and heat development scales with distance between the coils … From my calculations the 25kW/h charging speed can easy sufficiently charge the car (for the average taxi ride length) while the robot cleans it. (5 min cleaning).
16:00 Sandy, you know, or at least familiar with all of the players that would be capable of producing CF tooling at scale like this. I haven't heard a word and I'm sure you haven't either. We knew about the giga castings and stainless years ahead of time via suppliers. Plus you have the repairability concerns like the i3. I will be very surprised if a large portion of the body structure is carbon fiber.
Sandy Munro, I absolutely love your knowledge, engineering experience, and I watch your you tubes to get the truth on electric vehicles!!!! Your opinion is required
None have the advantage of video perceptive AI that Tesla get from their millions of cars. That neural net is the difference. They have a massive advantage.
18:00 uh hard disagree. I love filling up my gas tank. No one is getting out into nasty weather or rain to fill their car up. they're all covered structures... Inductive charging a car will take a ridiculous amount of time.
You have a point Munro about politics. But I must say that InmateP01 is a real threat to this country. Someone of your age growing up fighting fascism should realize the monumental threat to the world inmateP01 is. I am a Elon fanboy by the way. I do wish he would not have supported the con man.
@@paulrybarczyk5013he just supports whatever aids his huge ego or his wealth. May be brilliant for him but pretty bad for everybody else. He brings technology forward while destroying free, liberal and peaceful society.
Sandy, question about the induction charging. We know induction loses some of the power to heat and is less efficient compared to a wire. How much do you expect induction charging will cost per kwh compared to plugging in? Does the voltage/amperage change the physics at all? Would it be the same as phones: about a 20-30% efficiency loss?
Inductive charging is nice in many ways, but I've never heard it cslled fast. You mention the Qi charging in cell phones: that takes 4-5x longer than plugging in wired charging. That's down time.
Yeah, it's inefficient, at max 90, normally 75%. I much prefer the Kuka robot arm that finds the charging port, which is much more efficient. Or pantograph-like systems (like BYD does for buses). Inductive charging only makes sense for city robotaxis with very regular, short, and busy routes. That way, you can buffer-charge the fleet bit by bit throughout the day-autonomously-and perhaps more reliably because there are inherently fewer moving parts. The Kuka arm might break down, or one charging station would always need someone on standby to maintain or manually plug in vehicles. This would totally negate the whole purpose of 'robo'-taxis. The fleet will have a system where vehicles rotate through town so that one vehicle makes a 20-15 minute stop while another completes routes.
Tesla bought and sold Wiferion, a German Wireless charging company for AMRs/AGVs. They have a charging pad system with 12kW with 93% efficiency. But they need a positioning tolerance under 40mm. But the newly shown Optimus update shows charging via PINs or it is a positioning guide.
I generally prefer to differentiate robotics from automation. Robots respond to events in their environment and in particular, when those events are not known in advance. Automation is programmed repetitive motion, with pre-planned activities based on inputs. Cruise control is automation. FSD is robotics.
All yall haters can stop it. I just appreciate Sandy just has not a shred a doubt in Tesla despite Cybertruck, as 1 example, being 3 years late and double the expected price. Where is your sense of wonder?
What devotion? Sandy trashed the first iterations of Model 3, and I believe the first Model Y also had mixed reviews from Sandy. However when they quickly improved in the next iterations of 3/Y, Sandy changed his tune on Tesla. The videos are freely available online
Sandy is not AT ALL of the character to say something he does not agree with! He has come with criticisms of Tesla and Musk. But let's face it, there are preciously few to be made, if one does not mix business and engineering on the one hand, with politics on the other!
@@st-ex8506the conversion rate to sales on the CyberTruck is 1.5%. I would be critical of that. I would also be critical to the fact that Lucid produces a better car that is also more efficient than the Model S. I would be critical that Rivian, Ford and GM provide you with a better usable truck at comparable if not cheaper price point. I would be critical of a two seater that has no manual override. I mean seriously, if you have nothing to criticize then you obviously have your head in the sandy….
@@mgarcia8878 Excuse me, but the CT is in its very early phase of production. Tesla sells EVERY CT they can manufacture. But being a European, and having no way (except if flying to the US) to test it, I shall not discuss of its merits and demerits cs its competition. Furthermore, neither I, nor 99.5% of Europeans have neither need nor taste for a pick-up truck. It seems we are not as severely affected by the small-dick syndrome as American seem to be! But I have tested the top-of-the-line Lucid Air, and it is indeed a great car, which I would buy if it was close to the price of a Model S, and not double. And IF Lucid was cash-flow positive and not in danger of going belly-up anytime.
Count me as someone who was disappointed. There is a simple reason as to why. This event was held 10.10.2024, it should have been held 10.10.2025. Then you would be saying the Robotaxi will be on the road in months not years. I have heard Elon make the statement that prototypes are easy production is hard, then he shows me prototypes. So I am disappointed. I believe that the Semi will be in production by q2 of next year. There is a need for long haul busses, cement trucks, 40ft flatbeds, etc. How hard would it be to modify the Semi to meet these needs? It's not sexy, but neither is energy storage, it is needed, and needed now. A 24 passenger Robovan, cool but not really on the top line of needed.
last mile is the most expensive part of the supply chain process for transportation and long haul is cheaper. The van will be the most important part and especially in price.
@@ObstaclestoOpportunities Funny, we are all victims of the world around us. I am an American that lives in Korea. To me the last mile is solved. City busses have switched to BEV, delivery trucks made by Hyundai are BEV, guys deliver food with pedal asset electric bicycles. What is missing are the industrial vehicles and long haul busses.
@@Seoulhawk01 I secretly hope Tesla team up with other companies and help use these to produce an ad hoc bus route system making use of both the cab and the bus. Fixed bus routes are wasteful. What I hope someone comes up with is a very cheap subscription that gives you cheap daily fixed time drives + random drives with preorder. Discounts the more you walk. Integration into train networks. The dream!
Semi is essentially dead, it's over... Elon's ludicrous hype killed whatever small chance it had with industry. The ones that were "sold" were paid for by the California government via incentives to Frito-Lay.
I think the main 'problem' for Tesla right now is they made models with a very large customer base first, for obvious economical reasons, and have their few factories working at capacity pumping them out as it is. Making other vehicles would be child play for them at this stage since they make every drive train component in house, but they have no factory floor available to have a delivery truck line, van line, industrial cement/garbage truck etc line... The good news is both their texas and germany expansion plans have been greelit now, so maybe the new floor capacity will be used for that somewhere.
For the robovan i cant see them doing inductive charging at least not exclusively. The robotaxi's small battery is ok for charging with inductive but that van could easily be >200kw of battery's so that would be over 8 hours to charge if it was only using an 25kw inductive plate. So a normal charge port is needed or whatever they use for the tesla semi. The van looks like it has good aerodynamics and the adjustable suspension height should make it a vary stable ride.
Fanboys call us haters. Others call us realists! The real haters are the fanboys who hate people asking real questions and expecting realistic timelines.
😂😂😂”I worked on the very first robot…every once in awhile the robot would loose it’s mind and and wave it’s arms all over the place.” (i haven’t had a gut wrencher & tears like this in years!)😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
