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Installing a Tesla Wall Connector Chargepoint in the UK - with SFX!
Tesla have their own 'approved installers' for this kind of shebang, but they don't insist upon you using such. It's not a DIY job though; it has to be on it's own dedicated circuit with the right kind of overcurrent and shock protection, and the earthing and demand considerations need to be... well... considered. This sort of job requires certification, notification to Local Authority Building Control and notifiation to the District Network Operator.
Chargepoint earthing is a tricky issue at the best of times, and this was an unusual job where I was trying to comply with the regs, the CoP and the manufacturers' (sparse) instructions as well as the homeowner's expectations which made it challenging and meant that whichever way I did it could be viewed as questionable. It is possible to connect the rod back to the MET, but there are implications with doing that and keeping the touch voltage down which, in practice, means you need a ridiculously low Ra. We chose to TT the chargepoint and keep it isolated from the installation earthing which should be okay as it isn't possible to be in simultaneous contact with the vehicle and any point connected or bonded to the PME earthing at this site.
The RCD and MCB in the Lewden board look physically different as they're manufactured for Lewden's 'Control Gear' range (sometimes rebranded as store-own such as Denmans Curve). Lewden tech support confirmed it is just a rebadge and that Control Gear products can go into their enclosures. So why didn't I use the Lewden RCD shown towards the end of this video? Well, that snippet was filmed on a later date after I sourced the Lewden branded unit just to show for comparison in this video. That's how much I care about you, my beloved fucking audience.
I don't know how I didn't spot the 6mm cable coming from the tails when we were originally on site a few weeks ago; I must be going wire-blind. That fire suppression board is now powered from new 25mm tails from the Henley blocks which also serve DB1 and my Lewden board. Overkill? Sure. But I don't like the idea of thin wires one cannot isolate!
Dead testing of the SWA wasn't recorded on camera unfortunately, but was undertaken. The exterior Wiska box contains an earth block with the 2.5mm SWA CPC cores connected, a link wire for the SWA sheaths, the 6mm wire to the charger and a 16mm wire to the rod.
The black cores used as CPC within the SWA's could have been employed to increase the overall CSA to 7.5mm square for line/neutral with the armour used as the earthing for the SWA cable to allow full 32A operation, but there is regulation 434.4 to consider which permits conductors in parallel to be overcurrent protected from the load end as we've done here, but does go on to say "for more than two conductors in parallel, a fault current protective device shall be provided at the supply and load ends of each parallel conductor", so breaking into the extra core to deliver higher current would have potentially made things more complicated. The armour itself has an equivalent CSA of 19mm squared for each cable so would have sufficed as earthing; it wasn't necessary to have dedicated earth cores, especially as they don't go anywhere in this case. Still, current limiting the bugger is better for the DNO paperwork.
The only way to get the Zs from the Wall Connector was with it powered up with the front cover removed. It's own internal protection prevented any Zs testing from the charge socket which is annoying as that's the kind of thing we use the (expensive) ChargeCheck unit for, and that damn thing doesn't see much action to justify its existence!
This job was more awkward than expected, and took a few additional hours thanks to issues such as the main tails not being where we expected them.
Regarding (ongoing) argument over RCD type, Tesla's UK page says the following: "The Tesla Wall Connector does not measure DC current leaking, so an RCD Type B or a specific Type A-EV needs to be installed." I have to say, I missed the "EV" bit, so this may be the wrong RCD for the job. If undertaking the same, source a B or an A-EV to comply.
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If Hollywood is watching, I am available for providing top special effects in future blockbusters. 50% cash up-front. Cheers!

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@michaelcostello6991
@michaelcostello6991 2 года назад
Keep providing as much details as possible about your installations including basic stuff that us learners need to understand. Big Thanks
@Danny-do2ov
@Danny-do2ov 4 года назад
Great content as always, Top Guys! I've been a spark now for 14 years and truly still learn something new every day, very informative video. Keep up the great work.
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
Thanks Danny. I can't guarantee I've done this correctly though, which is why I've opened it for discussion on here. Chargepoints are a tricky beast, and the comments so far show different people have different understanding of how to interpret things!
@tc_electrician5329
@tc_electrician5329 4 года назад
“Money on my mind” 😂😂😂👏🏻 made me laugh 😂
@stuartarnold9444
@stuartarnold9444 4 года назад
After spending nearly £10 for a shitty pizza he needs every penny he can get.
@muzikman2008
@muzikman2008 4 года назад
@@stuartarnold9444 I think he was smart enough to get Nick Bundy to pay for it 😂🍕
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
@@muzikman2008 To be fair, I bought the Wetherspoon's coffee. :D
@Tomoose1985
@Tomoose1985 4 года назад
I can't stop chucking just thinking about "money on my mind". Why is it even funny? Lolz
@generaldisarray
@generaldisarray 4 года назад
@@dsesukTo be Fairrrrr... 🤣🤣🤣🤣 Pitter Patter!!! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-jv7jcciKB_s.html
@stuartarnold9444
@stuartarnold9444 4 года назад
I love how you explain your thinking about the install (even if it's wrong) before doing it, rather than just showing what you've done. I do miss Nige's crack display though. It's the only thing that makes me feel a bit better about my pot belly. 😉
@reececrook9390
@reececrook9390 4 года назад
By far my favourite RU-vid spark, keep up the hard work with the videos David!
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
Very kind, thank you Reece
@jj-hn2ll
@jj-hn2ll 4 года назад
David is the Spielburg of the Electrical Sparkys
@dannymort7262
@dannymort7262 4 года назад
Brilliant footage. The perfect blend of technical content, humour and real world on site content. Keep up the good work
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
Thanks Danny.
@KarlMcClelland
@KarlMcClelland 4 года назад
"fairly safe"... job's a goodun. I actually stood back from the PC in case he hit something. Great video as always. Your computer wizardry is amazing. Love it. Keep up the great work.
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
Thanks Karl. I suspect my video editing skillz have overtaken my electrical knowledge, so maybe it's time to hang up the McHat and go make millions on ASMR videos??!
@KarlMcClelland
@KarlMcClelland 4 года назад
@@dsesuk The FX stuff is off-the-wall (I think we said that back in the 80's). You'll need to do some sort of tutorial on how you manage this geniusness. Maybe Guinness
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
@@KarlMcClelland Y'know, I haven't touched a drop of Guinness since I was in Ireland in July. I think I drank a lifetime's worth in that one week, now I can't face it any more!
@KarlMcClelland
@KarlMcClelland 4 года назад
@@dsesuk Well I didn't know that but.. I know it now.
@kurtharrison8658
@kurtharrison8658 4 года назад
Cracking video as always Mr Savery!
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
Cheers Kurt. Hope I didn't make any mistakes on this one. I'm sure the internet will let me know.
@richardwash6678
@richardwash6678 4 года назад
Nice one David and Nigel. Really nice to see how to overcome situations in the real world! 👍
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
I can assure you, our world is entirely make-believe!
@dan_
@dan_ 4 года назад
1:13 I can see a future in ASMR for Nige. Those hand movements really get the tingles flowing.
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
I was telling him about those videos; my niece watches them and they get millions of views. I'm some kind of sucker banging out this crap!
@richardwallace3477
@richardwallace3477 4 года назад
A very comprehensive video, well done! I’m not an expert, by the way, but learnt quite a bit when I was asked to install a Tesla charger back in March; it too was a PME system and I put in two earth rods not far from the charger. I also worried about maximum demand but managed to justify the additional demand from the charger - no sign of any deterioration when visiting installation a couple of weeks after it was put into use. Cheers.
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
Richard, you are a star. To hear that someone else out there also TT'd a Tesla charger on a PME system is a huge relief! At least if I get slated on here for having done it wrong, I'll know I wasn't alone in interpreting the earthing requirements in this way!
@xxDADDYDAYCARExx
@xxDADDYDAYCARExx 4 года назад
@ David Savery Electrical Services ....... Hear hear. Fully agree with both you guys👍 but tell me....... did you end up putting in a second earth rod as you didn’t cover it in the video. Fully agree with moving the ‘ironic’ fire tails and the spd installation too. ALWAYS get a laugh from your great videos ❤️❤️❤️❤️
@mathman0101
@mathman0101 4 года назад
Here in the US pretty much TT all the way. Usually put two ground rods in without doing a fall of potential method testing (Wenner method) which I would always do because earth/ground resistance varies for different soils types, and temperatures also how wet or dry the soil is. Testing the way you did does not provide great accuracy. JW did this for his shed recently which was the way to do it. Though excellent job - overkill on ground and earth resistance is never an issue. US NEC code would suggest a reading of 5ohms yes you bet ya - 200 ohms that’s very high on an isolated earth system maybe the tolerances are higher in the U.K. due to RCD protection on the circuit. In my house it’s as low as 0.2 ohms with 3 ground rods. In Middle East they pound the rods below the water table (dry soil has high resistivity).
@ghspaelectricalservices9296
@ghspaelectricalservices9296 4 года назад
Nice video, nice to see the old bugger back too
@leighdamian
@leighdamian 4 года назад
I think you two are far better than TV.Keep up the great work.
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
Cheers Leigh, although watching paint dry is better than anything on ITV!
@coopernikolas
@coopernikolas 3 года назад
Your sense of humour is ace Dave! 😂😂😂
@Mike_5
@Mike_5 4 года назад
Top class video as usual and even using a Cable and Pipe locator like us DNO's do for HSE and very highly recommended to prevent unfortunate frizzy hair styles and a slight burning smell in the van after attempting to insert a large conductive earth rod into an underground service that is not very happy with the unannounced introduction!
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
Haha! We bought that damn Utilifinder thing abut three years ago and it's seen very little action!
@gamingwiththeboys6639
@gamingwiththeboys6639 4 года назад
Keep doing what your doing....Good explanations and good humour 🤣😂
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
Thanks John!
@jzburns1990
@jzburns1990 4 года назад
I hope you remembered the second earth rod. Great vid very educational
@westinthewest
@westinthewest 4 года назад
This video is very useful. I'm booked to install the same Tesla charger in Birmingham Friday. I looked at the manufacturer's instructions and decided that it made no sense to worry about earthing. It seemed even less onerous than installing a Class I (earthed) PIR floodlight on an external wall. It now seems I need to give it a bit more thought. Firstly I'll check if it's a TN-S supply. You've also alerted me to the RCD-type issue. I might have to reschedule the job so I can do some more research beforehand.
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
Sorry to have scuppered things for you! I may be all upside-down on this, especially with the rod requirement for this particular kit, but I couldn't find sure information for installations in the UK specifically. Do let me know if you come across any interesting information on the requirements though!
@train4905
@train4905 4 года назад
Most excellent job sir.well done.keep up the brill work and great vids.
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
Cheers Stephen
@jj-hn2ll
@jj-hn2ll 4 года назад
David you are absolutely wasted doing electrical work , far suited to 2 ronnies sketch . I myself have been off work due a leg injury and not sure whether i shall return . I have to retire in 1-2 years anyway but it still upsets me as apart from the people (lol) i did enjoy the job. . Your video's have given me so much entertainment it takes a little edge off my present disability sat at home( i am a qualified sparks allegedly lol ) . Keep up the good work your video's are not only funny but extremely informative.You are always learning something even after 40 years + in the business.
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
Very kind of you to say so, and all the best with the recovery, I hope you're back up and running sooner rather than later!
@keithjohnstone9889
@keithjohnstone9889 4 года назад
Excellent video. Really enjoyed it. 👍
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
Thanks Keith
@dazzafat
@dazzafat 4 года назад
Brilliant video david as always keep it up
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
Thanks for that kind comment
@ttff6810
@ttff6810 4 года назад
Good video as always David, Had me laughing from the start, but some good technical advice in there, good install,
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
Cheers. I just hope there's no technical headaches I've got wrong in this one.
@JPElectric
@JPElectric 4 года назад
Great video You've done very well getting those tails into the Henleys inside a plasterboard box. Can't work out how you've managed it. Hats off to you...
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
A 47mm box with the top and bottom cut out for cable entry. 25mm flexi-tails and the Henley's were F4P 5-way single pole connector blocks (x2) www.cef.co.uk/catalogue/products/175537-100a-single-pole-connector-block
@JPElectric
@JPElectric 4 года назад
Thanks Flexi tails!!!!, I'm never used them, but just looked them up. How could I have missed these, Ive always used non flexi tails apparently...
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
Mate, I'm new to them myself and this was the first job I used them on. An absolute dream: I won't be going back to the pipe-bending antics of rigid tails like some kind of sodding plumber! My local CEF sells them cut by the metre whereas the likes of Denmans sell the three-metre bagged variety that comes with a length of 16mm earth you probably don't want!
@JPElectric
@JPElectric 4 года назад
Brilliant. thanks.
@jix177
@jix177 4 года назад
Great video, very informative. Thanks.
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
Ta.
@anthonyridgley1819
@anthonyridgley1819 4 года назад
You two together are mental lol 😂😂made me laugh an another great video bud
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
Thanks Anthony.
@rattlehead85
@rattlehead85 4 года назад
Great video as per usual guys!!
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
Ta very much!
@matthaddock6490
@matthaddock6490 4 года назад
Great material David please keep the videos rolling,
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
I dunno Matt, I think the wife suspects me of having an affair as I'm hidden away editing for so long!
@matthaddock6490
@matthaddock6490 4 года назад
David Savery Electrical Services Haha I think she would be happy if she knew the truth cheers 👍
@bikerchrisukk
@bikerchrisukk 4 года назад
Well may be I'm just happier than usual this morning (can't think why), but I bloody enjoyed that. Well done fellow me lads 👍👌
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
Thanks as always!
@dsbelectricaldavidbetterid8448
@dsbelectricaldavidbetterid8448 4 года назад
the pme issue is the open pen problem , you could install a rod to the met of the pme and use the earth but you would after running the calc need the rod ev ra to hit 2.29 ohms max most likely need a earth mat and grid to get it that low if you had a commercial building with pme, the embedded steel may satisfy the ohm ev ra requirement , its to limit it to 70v rms as per 722 great vid as always
@GraingerElectrical
@GraingerElectrical 4 года назад
Good video, interesting. Is it regulation to fit a fused spur instead of a socket for kitchen appliances like a washer or dishwasher?
@PlymouthSparky
@PlymouthSparky 4 года назад
Fantastic, funny, entertains and educational. 🍻
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
High praise coming from one such as yourself! Cheers!
@rowles13
@rowles13 4 года назад
Excellent video again!!!! filled with interesting facts with a touch of humour. You could end up in the Cannes film festival for best factual animated documentary.,be carefull👌👍
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
Maybe I should get arty? My next video will be in black and white!
@johnschlesinger2009
@johnschlesinger2009 4 года назад
Great job, and fun video as well.
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
Thanks John.
@Stefan-ps6tl
@Stefan-ps6tl 4 года назад
That opening was gold
@alilal7874
@alilal7874 2 года назад
Great start 👍👍👍
@Khanjan-si8me
@Khanjan-si8me 4 года назад
We are the best sir ..well done .
@berniegackowski9359
@berniegackowski9359 4 года назад
If customer is using the on board charger with a 3 phase supply connected does TT earthing have to be installed.
@g.t.36
@g.t.36 4 года назад
Great video once again
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
Thanks once again!
@cherrybacon9790
@cherrybacon9790 3 года назад
Concerning the earth rods- its actually a hot topic in the overlaying EN standards already. The issue is, that some manufacturers requested to backfeed power into the grid, thus making their vehicles network buffer batteries. Hence, it becomes a power generating device which must (by EN) be earthed as a unit on its own. The fact that the vehicles can be plugged in-and-out makes it equally a mobile consumer- a combination rather uncommon with generators.
@shilks8773
@shilks8773 4 года назад
Great to see some Car charger installations with all their inherant challanges. Esp the need now for seperate TT earthing rods.
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
Thanks. Can't guarantee this is completely correct, but show me any car charger installation that everyone is happy with!
@alunroberts1439
@alunroberts1439 4 года назад
I did my 236 a billion years ago I still read up on new reg's all fun
@searleelectrical
@searleelectrical 3 года назад
Great video. I found I can’t always get my rolec test adapter to work with the Tesla Wall Charger. Have you ever had any issues?
@Kernozenko
@Kernozenko 4 года назад
So if the surge protection CPC is too long it will not carry the surge correctly and the surge will go back through the Main earth?
@_Ali.
@_Ali. 3 года назад
Don’t have an electric car, let alone a Tesla, not a sparky, and yet at 2am here I am watching this...
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 3 года назад
Thanks for tuning in Ali. I trust it cured the insomnia?
@_Ali.
@_Ali. 3 года назад
@@dsesuk wouldn’t that imply you bored me to sleep? 😂 Was oddly fascinating tbh. Made me think “that looks do-able” 😂
@shawnbryce9266
@shawnbryce9266 4 года назад
Brilliant stuff!
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
Cheers Shawn.
@FrontSideBus
@FrontSideBus 4 года назад
Might be a silly question but could you not have used all 3 conductors in one cable for the live and all 3 conductors in the other cable for neutral with the armour on both for the earth? That would give a combined area of 7.5?
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
Not a silly question, and yes I could have used all three conductors. In this installation though, I thought limiting the current would be best considering the demand, and I like to have a dedicated CPC in an SWA, even if the armour is earthed and it doesn't connect to the kit on the end of it!
@delspark
@delspark 4 года назад
Great vid Dave and a bit of singing 🎤 can’t go wrong 👍
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
Cheers Derek, I'm glad someone appreciated the crooning.
@theavchap
@theavchap 4 года назад
Real world problems being overcome. Great video.
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
Probably in a way that was more complicated than it needed to be!
@theavchap
@theavchap 4 года назад
David Savery Electrical Services Can’t remember a job that didn’t end up being exactly that!
@sbusweb
@sbusweb 3 года назад
+David Savery Electrical Services Hangon a moment -- is that a 32a MCB (not type-A-RCBO) in the lewden board?. If so, I foresee a problem -- the TT earthed armoured cable is vulnerable to Line-Earth faults (if damaged or internal manufacturing fault) just causing the TT-earth to become 'live' sizzling away in the ground. I'm fairly sure in this circumstance, you need an RCD at the head-end due to TT-earth used somewhere along the route. I think that, is why, is normal to use the PME earth on the armouring, and then separate in plastic box under the charging-point etc, so the RCD requirement goes away, but you do then have considerations about increased risk of touching the armour, but I think that is much less of an issue than potentially having a cable-fault make the whole SWA-armour and earth-rod become live with nothing to trip it out...
@richardlewis5316
@richardlewis5316 4 года назад
I watched your installation of the SPD and understood exactly how you felt about no master switch installed to isolate the Henley boxes. In one renovation project I had to install a secondary CU to supply a shower so the only way to connect it safely was as you did - draw the supplier 100A fuse which did involve cutting the sealing wire. On completion should I have called the supplier to reseal and face questions about removing the seal, leave the seal completely off or as I did was to open the seal and reinsert the wire and reseal.
@ef7480
@ef7480 2 года назад
Lol , the foundation of the walls protrude at least 150mm from the actual wall. They aren't flush with the wall but good effort Nigel...😄
@keithquestedelectrical9785
@keithquestedelectrical9785 4 года назад
Hi david Really good video. Love the problem solving it's what we do best . And Monty python lives
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
Thanks Keith
@Webbster77
@Webbster77 Год назад
Do you not need pen fault detection if it’s TT’d?
@1962lp2h
@1962lp2h 4 года назад
I watched this all the way through waiting for the 'floating bust' DOH!!
@evguysltdianlawrie2274
@evguysltdianlawrie2274 4 года назад
Excellent vid 👍.I’m glad it’s not just me that comes across nightmares 😂.
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
When the client mentioned he wanted this installed, I did think life would just be easier without it on my plate!
@evguysltdianlawrie2274
@evguysltdianlawrie2274 4 года назад
David Savery Electrical Services - I’ve been asked by two Tesla owners to install EV points, but not the Tesla units. I’m Rolec authorised, although the Jury is out on their reliability? Just did the Schneider course, but my god they’re expensive! I sometimes wonder if it’s worth the hassle 😂. I see more value in the maintenance in the years to come though, so might be worth it one day? I’m too old to keep knocking lumps out of houses 😂😂😂. Keep the excellent vids coming. Love the Don JT too, but sometimes his voice sends me to sleep, so come 23:30 I put him on 🤣🤣🤣
@evguysltdianlawrie2274
@evguysltdianlawrie2274 4 года назад
JW rather......Too. Ugh too much whisky!
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
Haha!
@ReverseSideArms
@ReverseSideArms 4 года назад
How much you charging for an installation?
@usefulrandom1855
@usefulrandom1855 5 месяцев назад
How come the 3 pin moble charger is legal to use without the PEN protection etc or does the mobile charger have built in protection?
@gino2465
@gino2465 2 года назад
Really good job and yes any other installer would have done a quick cheap get it up and running job possibly even used the dno space in the cut out box which we know is a no no thank you efix. Just hope that other qualified electricians use this video as a training aid as it was 100%.👍
@Aviationjay76
@Aviationjay76 4 года назад
Nice job 👍
@JBE
@JBE 4 года назад
Is there any tool you don't own? Wonderful upload as usual Mr Savery. Really appreciate the work you put into these kinds of videos and I'm sure everyone else does too? Green screen, CGI, tech info, physical work, great presentation, and great tool product reviews. Only thing missing was Nigel flossing!!
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
Cheers James. I did ask Nigel to floss on camera, but the next thing I knew he'd taken off all his clothes and was passing a rolled-up towel front to back across his barse. I couldn't include it in the video. In fact, I had to burn the SD card it was recorded on.
@JBE
@JBE 4 года назад
@@dsesuk I think that's what I was doing in Birmingham?
@simonabbott7323
@simonabbott7323 4 года назад
I was always told that type testing requirements meant that the contents of the enclosure should be of the same brand as the enclosure itself. Has thinking changed?
@samhughes589
@samhughes589 4 года назад
I was thinking the Same here matey.
@davidjohnston779
@davidjohnston779 4 года назад
This deserved a like for the editing alone 🤣
@emmetg888
@emmetg888 3 года назад
Am I right is saying that because you kept the charging point at 25A and didn't exceed the maximum demand that a priority circuit wasn't needed in case where the house had electric shower??
@MysteriousDrJ
@MysteriousDrJ 4 года назад
Just educational purposes, what/where is the reference that states that building control and DNO is to be notified for the VCP installs? If I have been misinformed please correct me. Cheers in advance.
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
I can't remember the reference, but here's the form I had to submit to WPD who run the show in my neck of the woods: www.westernpower.co.uk/connections-landing/connecting-a-new-ev-charging-point-or-a-heat-pump/install-an-ev-charging-point
@MysteriousDrJ
@MysteriousDrJ 4 года назад
@@dsesuk Smashing! 👍
@XO.Clinic
@XO.Clinic 4 года назад
Is the TESLA wall charger the best option available in the UK? Based on speed / functionality
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
Speed is usually determined by the vehicle and electrical installation more than the charger as all manufacturers make models that (generally) sit on either a 16A or 32A circuit for single-phase domestics. Personally, I didn't think much to this thing. The way the plug hangs off it and the lack of cable stowage make it an unattractive thing to hang off the wall compared to other makes in my opinion.
@muzikman2008
@muzikman2008 4 года назад
Top video again Dave! A great insight into car charging installs. I think I'll give it a miss, too much hassle at my time of life 😂 even waiting at that junction got my anxiety levels way too high. I bet that charger tester, and utilility tester cost an arm & a kidney too.
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
Ta. And yes, they weren't specifically bought for this job, in fact I've had the Utilifinder for about three years, but they ain't cheap and they don't see a lot of action for their price tags!
@muzikman2008
@muzikman2008 4 года назад
@@dsesuk like my whia torque driver set 😂 the crap electricians have to buy...
@ScrotumPole
@ScrotumPole 4 года назад
LOVE the intro
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
My 'levitation' special effect. Pretty convincing, no?
@ScrotumPole
@ScrotumPole 4 года назад
@@dsesuk Idea for intro, you in shower, we see your arse through the glass, the mobile rings, when you get out to answer youre wearing a fig leaf and nipple covers. you open the closet and theres a superman suit hanging there, you choose the batman suit.....
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
@@ScrotumPole I ran this past the wife who vetoed it in pretty short order. Pah!
@daytona964
@daytona964 4 года назад
Dave, Thanks for vid; very informative and nice to sit back and see someone else get their hands dirty!! Where did you buy that typpe A rcd? Cant seem to find one???
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
Thanks, the one used was from Denmans, but the actual Lewden one was from CEF. I'm not convinced they're right for this task though; a Type-B or Type-A EV is what is actually specified as it turns out.
@daverann
@daverann 4 года назад
A type B RCD should of been used or type a EV
@cunning-stunt
@cunning-stunt 4 года назад
Would the extra earth electrode ensure any potential touch voltage is kept to a minimum? The installation earth stake could be some distance from the charger point and as you are using a class one appliance (the charger) in an earthed situation then you are at risk from transient voltages especially with a device that uses high frequency switching?
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
JW did a good vid on earth electrodes and separation which is linked in the description. Distance is important, but I couldn't tell you about high frequency transient voltages in this application.
@cunning-stunt
@cunning-stunt 4 года назад
@@dsesuk My understanding of the need for a type B RCD is because of the high frequency switching. We are not allowed to use Type A here for EV charging.
@morkthebuilder9943
@morkthebuilder9943 3 года назад
Great video as normal.
@GeorgeStyles
@GeorgeStyles 4 года назад
Coudlnt you have used the 2 spare earth wires in the armored cable to increase the cross sectional area and get the full current? or is that a big no-no?
@GeorgeStyles
@GeorgeStyles 4 года назад
actually - forget that - im guessing the wires themselves need earth :)
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
You're right George, the black wire in the SWA could have been used to increase the overall CSA from 5mm to 7.5mm which would have been enough, then the SWA itself used as the earthing. I discounted that because I preferred to run an earthed core within the cable, and I wanted to limit the demand on the installation for the DNO paperwork!
@GeorgeStyles
@GeorgeStyles 4 года назад
@@dsesuk cool... Keep these videos coming ... Loving them :)
@SirHackaL0t.
@SirHackaL0t. 3 года назад
SFX are great. :)
@gino2465
@gino2465 2 года назад
Buddy forgive me for asking in case I missed that important bit due to kids f****** about did you fit second rod and what did you get the reading down too.
@Mark-M72
@Mark-M72 4 года назад
great video
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
Cheers Mark.
@rogerbean393
@rogerbean393 4 года назад
How come you don’t have the dedicated Metrel EV gadget. Is you meter not compatible with it ?
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
I'm not sure that dongle was available when I did my EV course in 2016 Roger, so I went with the Rolec as that's what we used in the classroom. I suspect the Metrel model is compatible with any tester.
@jonathanbrown9245
@jonathanbrown9245 4 года назад
Great video, watching David cough, i had to go wash my hands and eyes lol Did the second earthrod do the trick?
@sdgelectronics
@sdgelectronics 4 года назад
The big JW would not be pleased of your choice of rod enclosure. Great vid
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
Haha! They are a bit flimsy I guess. Thanks for watching Steve!
@jamesdyas542
@jamesdyas542 4 года назад
Completely agree tt off pme is absolute bollocks. Excellent video thanks.
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
Thanks James!
@tasercs
@tasercs 4 года назад
Hillarious opening scene... I feel sorry for the Australian, relaxing in his garden with a beer when he unexpectedly got an earth rod up his escape chute. The doctor only believed his story when they found bits of that house's foundations up there :)
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
Went straight through the can of Fosters at the far end!
@lukeboy94yo
@lukeboy94yo 4 года назад
Out of interest, how did you go about filling out the cert on this? Because the board it’s fed from is PME, but you’ve TT’d the charger end. Have you just filled the Zs value from the wiska box inside the house? Also from a technical side, the parallel conductors, ie your two 1.5mm SWA’s I’m almost certain these lengths of runs need to be exactly the same, because of causing imbalances. Perhaps look into calculations on that :)
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
Hi Luke. The EIC had both TNCS and TT ticked. The Ze box showed the PME value as that supplied DB3 (the Lewden board) which was also subject to the same cert. The details of earth electrode showed the 183 Ohm reading we took for that. The R1+R2 for the circuit was the combined resistance reading for the cable (effectively an end to end test at 0.06 Ohm or something; I might be mis-remembering that!) After cutting the cable loop, we tested each half to ensure the length was the same and that each half checked out on IR. The Zs for the circuit was the 207 (or whatever) Ohm measured at the chargepoint. A comment field explained that circuit 1 off the Lewden board was TT.
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
I should also add that a second rod hasn't been fitted yet. We haven't had time to schedule in a revisit!
@alexwood020589
@alexwood020589 3 года назад
I don't know this for certain, but I suspect the reason for the earth rod is due to the battery in the car. It is conceivable that you could end up with a fault where the battery of the car is directly connected between live (or neutral) and earth. That's 400VDC (800VDC on some newer EVs) with thousands of amps of current capacity behind it. The earth rod is probably to prevent the earth bond at the substation being melted by the fault current coming from the battery.
@jonathanbrown9245
@jonathanbrown9245 4 года назад
Great video, watching David cough, i had to go wash my hands and eyes lol Did the second earth rod do the trick?
@happygilmore7115
@happygilmore7115 4 года назад
What did you use to drive that rod in?
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
The rod-rammer was Nigel's Makita SDS on hammer time with a hex socket bit in the jaws!
@gavinwarren1413
@gavinwarren1413 4 года назад
You're getting quite good at this electrical work.
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
I keep practising, but I doubt I'll ever master it.
@user-rn5ip9ec6j
@user-rn5ip9ec6j 4 года назад
european panel - inside home.
@michaelboyes4948
@michaelboyes4948 4 года назад
Great video as per with cracking special effects,electrical talk what more can you ask from RU-vid
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
Thanks for appreciating the super SFX!
@ediijay9897
@ediijay9897 4 года назад
I thought that was a great video. I've been to a home before and seen a car charger connected using the earthing system of the house PME. Installed by a specialist company too. Makes you wonder.
@PJB71
@PJB71 4 года назад
Hi David, video excellent & informative as usual. I do have one question, which has confused me, Could you please explain, I understand how it will work. You have given the Consumer unit to supply the charging point a PME earth. I can clearly see that the PME earthing stays in that consumer unit, you then TT the charging point. What is confusing me is why the you have taken the PME earthing to the consumer unit at all. Could the rod not have been connected to a cable sheath & the spare core & been terminated at the consumer unit. I under stand that the previous installers wanted to run a 6mm swa, I presume this was for the demand & a core for the rod. I have often carried the PME earth to a building, ended it in an insulated enclosure & created a TT install at the new consumer unit installed. I’ve just never seen anything like this, I have no doubt it will work. Also your last video on the surge protection was brilliant, this has taught me a lot.👍🏼
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
Hi Patrick. I wanted to run the PME through the Lewden CU so that the SPD could do its job. Aside from that though, I was trying to avoid touch contact between the PME and the rod which remain as separate earthing systems here. Having the metal Lewden board TT'd next to the PME earthing of DB1 and DB2 wouldn't be a good idea in my opinion. If this were power to an outbuilding, I would have done it in the way you said, but with car chargers you have this bit in the Code of Practice which says the PME can't be in touching distance of where the car is charging. If I had one SWA, then I could have kept it as PME down the sheath and taken it directly into the charger via a stuffing gland where the PME can be capped off and kept away from the TT, but here I had two SWA's to terminate externally to the chargepoint, so had I used PME on the sheaths, the SWA glands would have been potentially accessible right from underneath the chargepoint position (i.e. there would have been a simultaneous touch point with just centimetres between the rod and the Wiska box). If that makes sense?! It was an unusual job where I was trying to comply with the regs, the CoP and the manufacturers' (sparse) instructions as well as the homeowner's expectations which made it challenging and meant that whichever way I did it could be viewed as questionable. I'm not sure this is completely right, I am sure others would have different ideas on how they would have approached it, but it is useful to open it for discussion. I hope that explains it, but I'm still on my morning coffee here and haven't fully woken up yet!
@PJB71
@PJB71 4 года назад
Cheers David 👍🏼 That make sense, I cannot see why it wouldn’t work. All car charging points should have some sort of isolating transformer, so they can be supplied from a PME supply.
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
@@PJB71 It sounds like some recent innovations and the upcoming Amendment 1 may make things clearer and easier, so we'll all watch this space!
@Chris-uu6dg
@Chris-uu6dg 3 года назад
Hi David. thanks for your excellent explanation of your setup and particularly the earthing rod connections to avoid the PME, I am still a learner and was trying to get my head round this kind of EV charging installation and your video has helped a lot. Would you do a similar setup with an earthing rod if you were installing electricity to an outside metal shed in a garden that houses for example water pump and UV light filter etc? The metal shed is obviously an extraneous conductive part so would be bonded to earth to the earth rod I presume but not connected to the PME from the main house? Thanks for your help and excellent videos. Chris
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 3 года назад
Thanks Chris. We usually TT outbuildings, but a metal one especially would require TT earthing unless there are circumstances which mean it's not ideal for some reason.
@Chris-uu6dg
@Chris-uu6dg 3 года назад
@@dsesuk Great many thanks for your reply David much appreciated.
@2lefThumbs
@2lefThumbs Год назад
I'm no electrician, but I do have a Tesla, and had a 3 phase charge point installed at work. Since the Tesla charger (on a uk domestic supply) just supplies 32 A at 240V, and costs £500+, and obviously is complicated, wouldn't it be worth you offering a 32A caravan- style hook up for domestic charging? Teslas come with a 5m charging cable and a 0.5 m 13A plug adapter, the 16A and 32 A plug adapters both cost around £50 even if fitting an outdoor 32A socket and isolater would be equally complicated, you'd still save the customer £450 , no? I guess load balancing might be an issue🤷‍♂️
@shanginadildo
@shanginadildo 4 года назад
I worked for a company that solely installed EV charging points. The director of the company used to connect into the incoming of the main switch in the CU with 6mm hi-tuff, to then feed the mini unit containing our rcd and mcb (we never installed an SPD). I questioned him on it and he swore blind its legal....
@soyeonaddict8693
@soyeonaddict8693 3 года назад
Surely if you use the 3rd core to increase the CSA of the SWAs to 7.5mm, you will run foul of everyone's favourite regulation, reg.521.5.1, "ferromagnetic enclosures : electromagnetic effects". If you double up the 3rd core with L in one cable and N in the other, you'll get 2/3 of the L current in one cable and 2/3 of the N current in the other. But it might be worth doubling up the 3rd core with either L or N in both cables. You get a circuit with, say, L of 5mm and N of 10mm. The cable runs cooler, and it helps with volt drop.
@jamescleary5198
@jamescleary5198 4 года назад
McExcellent episode Mchat man and Nige
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
McCheers!
@hikariyouk
@hikariyouk 4 года назад
"they're not very cheap" - is that really a concern for someone with a Tesla?
@johnburns4017
@johnburns4017 3 года назад
Some EVs are now ICE car prices. Many are on the used car market as well, so cheaper again to buy.
@Danny94James
@Danny94James 3 года назад
is it really a concern for anyone who owns a car?
@johnburns4017
@johnburns4017 3 года назад
@@Danny94James I think charging would be when owning an EV.
@siacadp
@siacadp 4 года назад
What was that noise when you turned off the supply at 23:58?
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
It was the ground source heat pump shutting down. I'd forgotten to turn its isolator even though it was right next to me whirring away when I flicked the main switch!
@AndyK.1
@AndyK.1 4 года назад
Oh. I thought it was more special effects.
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
@@AndyK.1 It just goes to show that my SFX were so well integrated, you didn't know what was real and what was 'special'!
@jamilchoudhry9705
@jamilchoudhry9705 4 года назад
Combining two lengths of 3 core SWA 2.5mm equals to 5mm 3 core SWA ???
@jamesgledhill9667
@jamesgledhill9667 4 года назад
Pretty much a ring main.
@andysmith6633
@andysmith6633 4 года назад
David, firstly great content 👍, I notice at home you have a PodPoint Solo (I think). I believe these have built in RDCDC (apologies if that's wrong!) Which effectively offers protection against the loss of a neutral further back from your installation. Meaning an earth rod (TT earthing system) is not actually a requirement for that specific piece of kit. This may be a new thing like a Generation or Mark 2 unit. This is definitely going to make installers lives easier because watching my colleagues and indeed Nige whacking an earth rod in outside someone's house gives me nightmares. Interested on your thoughts on this.
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
Thanks Andy. I don't actually know too much about my Podpoint as it was installed by a firm under the OLEV scheme when I bought my Nissan Leaf. Well, I say someone else installed it, I ran in the circuit and earth rod so that the cable would be hidden as I didn't want some messy SWA bolted to the front of my house. The chap who turned up just needed to bolt it to the wall and switch it on! Rods are a nightmare though, you never know where the gas, electric or drainage will be running.
@zjzozn
@zjzozn 2 года назад
Funnyyyyy intro 👍
@acelectricalsecurity
@acelectricalsecurity 4 года назад
what have you got in the drill to drive the rod in, i have been looking for something like that for a while
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
Apparently it's just an SDS shank to a socket adaptor with a large socket popped on the end!
@zjzozn
@zjzozn 4 года назад
I can see a new invention here. Earth rod with a screw tread to drill in the ground easier.
@jetg2111
@jetg2111 4 года назад
Great video! I was just wondering... Would anything other than maximum demand have stopped you using all six conductors as live conductors to give 2x7,5mm2 using the sheathing to earth the cable? And also if that were possible could you have borrowed a cooker circuit from the main board and fitted one of those priority devices you showed before?
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
Cheers for the feedback. There is regulation 434.4 which permits conductors in parallel to be overcurrent protected from the load end as we've done here, but it does go on to say "for more than two conductors in parallel, a fault current protective device shall be provided at the supply and load ends of each parallel conductor", so breaking into the extra core would have potentially made things more complicated. The SWA itself has an equivalent CSA of 19mm squared for each cable and could have been used as the earth; it wasn't necessary to have dedicated earth cores, especially as they don't go anywhere in this case. Still, limiting it is better for the DNO paperwork. I could use something like the Garo priority unit as you mentioned, and that would have been the case if there were an electric shower in here, but the heat-pump and hob are the only heavy load circuits.
@jetg2111
@jetg2111 4 года назад
@@dsesuk thanks for the great reply! I guess on an overnight charge you wouldn't be worrying so much anyway about slightly slower charging... The only times I can imagine wanting a faster charge would be in the daytime between trips when there's a higher chance of using other loads at the same time... Anyway fascinating stuff for me... Learned loads from you as a non spark who wanted to be an electrician as a child but was discouraged by my electrician uncle :-(
@dsesuk
@dsesuk 4 года назад
As an EV owner myself, the trick is to think ahead to what tomorrow's journey may be; the car doesn't have to start each day at 100%. Those on a two-rate tariff also enjoy cheaper energy at night. If you get caught short, then charging in daytime while other demands are present may be unavoidable of course. Also, I can echo your uncle's wise words, and you've had a lucky escape! ;D
@jetg2111
@jetg2111 4 года назад
@@dsesuk ah but it doesn't stop me dreaming about what might have been after a week of staring at mind numbing spreadsheets :)
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