In this episode we talk about the 7mm PRC cartridge and the HS-Precision Heavy Tactical Rifle. This rifle was featured in the January issue of Rifle magazine issue 326.
You are very welcome we worked really hard to get this out as quickly as possible other than Hornady we were the only others to offer published, tested data. We appreciate the kind words and feedback, thanks for watching! --Jeremiah
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Great video and well demonstrated! I bought my Remington 700 Sendero SFII chambered in .300 RUM came with the HS precision stock back 2011. Very good stock and I replaced the factory trigger with the Trigger Tech Primary Flat. 5 years ago had a custom made 5R Krieger SS barrel cut to 32" and the finish length will be 30" once replaced with the factory barrel. Longer barrel always helps with accuracy and velocity.
Thank you for the kind words we greatly appreciate all the feedback we get on these videos! I appreciate you taking the time to share your own experiences I feel it adds a lot of value here to the comments section! --Jeremiah
@@jims4877 Sendero is a very solid rifle and Timney trigger is also a well designed trigger. I know because my brother has it on his rifle. Krieger makes very good barrels and they are hand lapped and not to mention, they they single point cutting method rather than the conventional ruffling button when creating the landings..
@@rumsin300 and @Jims4877 It is so great to see conversations like this taking place in the comments section and I feel it adds a lot of value to these videos and helps build a community. I truly think we have the best comment section on RU-vid. Thanks for sharing your personal experience and taking part in such productive conversation. Thanks for all the support and good shooting and happy handloading to you! --Jeremiah
I am Impressed, And I second the motion Patrick. That is for the message below mine. And for you, I greatly appreciate your precise in seqence with purpose presentation. Wow thank you and look forward to your next regarding the 7mm PRC. What a bummer had to shoot all those rounds to get the brass. Well done with the snap of the fingers :) with a straight face :) Love it. Be well, T
We greatly appreciate the kind words and you taking the time to watch and share your thoughts in the comments section. We strive to provide the best and most accurate detailed information here on RU-vid. We have something very special in mind for the 7mm PRC. We just finished a custom rifle with a 26 inch barrel and I would highly encourage you to check that out we'll do a load development as well as a long range video on the cartridge as well. Thanks again for the kind words and feedback we greatly appreciate it! --Jeremiah
I just saw some hornady match 7prc on the shelf today. It looks like a good cartridge. West Texas Ordinance is necking it down to .257" and the numbers with the big berger's is on par with the 257wby. As soon as I heard about the 7prc I immediately wanted to neck it down to 25cal.....guess I'm not the only one. Great video
I agree my initial thoughts are very good as stated in the video. It's in an interesting performance very similar to the 7mm Rem mag and .280 AI but geared for those longer heavier higher BC bullets which is the trend we are seeing. I would love to get my hands on a 7mm PRC necked down to 25 cal, I think that would be a very interesting cartridge. Thanks for sharing and taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
I've had 3 HS Precision rifles and wasn't very impressed. A rancher said, "try a Tikka." Wow! I was shooting .2's and .3's straight out of the box with a T3x lite Stainless 30/06. Great review as usual man.
That honestly surprises me, I have not had a bad one per-say to be honest I think this rifle would have easily been able to shoot .2 and .3s as well Layne was able to print some very impressive statistically significant group sizes but the conditions were just not in our favor. I really wish we could have seen what the rifle could do without the shifting 25 MPH winds we were dealing with but that is the name of the game this time of year sadly. Thank you so much for watching and taking the time to comment and for the kind words! --Jeremiah
@@mikevorthman7336 Mine would never do that. The Tikka's outshot them at a fraction of the price. Another rifle that outshot the HS's is a custom 300 Win Mag with a McMillan Stock, Stiller TAC 300 Action, and a Lilja Barrel. It was built by a benchrest grade gunsmith and price came in well under overpriced HS Rifles.
If you think those Tikka shoot good which they do I have owned probably somewhere between 25-30 over the years but the Sako’s shoot better and with almost any factory rifle which I have never seen on other even high end factory rifles!
Great video ! Awesome rifle set up ! I would bet , with a little more experimentation , that could be a one hole set up !! Thank you for the very informative review and looking forward to the next one !
Thank you for the kind words, I have no doubt with a little better conditions it could have been a one whole set up. It is pretty rare to get a rifle that consistently shoots this accurate. I do wish I could have had more time with this particular rifle. Thank you for taking the time to watch and for your continued support we greatly appreciate it! The next load development we are doing in on the 6mm Creedmoor and that rifle was equally if not more impressive. It's currently in post production and should be posted within the next 30 days or so, keep an eye out for that one. --Jeremiah
Those load data recipes you’re talking about that are almost 6 grains higher have to be the load data that was gathered or tested on, has to be from hawkins precision! Lol. The numbers published are much higher than the Hornady load data. I’m going to load up a ladder test to see if I can safely replicate their data. I’ll definitely stop at first signs of pressure though. I really enjoyed this video! Thanks for uploading it!
Ha ha Yes I looked at their load data it was certainly high, some rifles won't show pressure signs as early as others but make no mistake velocity 99% of the time indicates pressure, if you are over velocity you are over pressure. There was a couple of other RU-vid videos that showed some pretty hot data as well. I don't like to bag on other folks and what they are doing but when it's that much over pressure it's a bit unsafe, especially if you are telling others you personally didn't experience pressure signs. At any rate thank you so much for watching and for the feedback on the video we greatly appreciate it!! --Jeremiah
Excellent and well organized video. Thank you for taking pride in its production. And...I'm jealous of that Reloder 25. The first 7 PRC I could get my hands on was a Mossberg Patriot. I was able to round up 4 boxes of factory hunter ammo. I shot 30 rounds the first range day; 5 three round groups were all under 1 Inch. A 10 round group(which included 4 shots by two buddies and 6 by me) went into 1.3". I was impressed enough to put it in a chassis. I now have 45 rounds through it, with two into whitetails. 40 of those are sitting with 162 grain coppers on top of 4831SC. Hopefully, I can run that test soon.
I just got a Patriot Predator cerakote 7 mm PRC. I have always had a problem with the Patriot stock and the gap on the rear action screw. I do better putting mine in a chassis. Are you using the factory stock? Synth or walnut? Also, since Patriots are lighter rifles, even with my 7 now in an Oryx chassis, it still has a significantly greater recoil impulse with a brake on than any of my .308 rifles. I know that is because of weight and speed. My .308 is usually spitting 165 gr at 2800 fps. As opposed to the hunter ammo I have tried at 175 gr at 3k. So, I am experimenting with different recoil pad options. I want to shoot this rifle and it may very well overtake my Compass II .308 as a favored hunting rifle precisely because it can do both hunting and long range shooting. Otherwise, I would be tempted to do like Kyle at the Social Regressive and build up a 6 mm ARC that is good for everything from squirrel to deer. And I have seen a guy bring down a moose with a 6.5 mm CM.
@ronws2007 I have the same rifle and went with the Oryx as well. I have shot bare, with Q cherry bomb QD device, and with a Q Thunder Chicken suppressor. There is a significant difference with the Thunder chicken in place. I have a very light .308(early model Abolt) that I think has a sharper impulse than the 7 in the factory stock. I haven't shot it in the Oryx yet. I am trying a Cortina tuning brake on the next trip. Assuming the RO doesn't throw me out, I'll try to give a quick update as to performance. I need more brass....lol. I do have a really light rifle that I carry a lot. I bought it for the grandkids, but it has become my first choice. It is a Howa mini carbon stalker in 6.5 Grendel. My daughter put a white tail down with it. The 115 grain barnes ttsx reload was effective.
@@diggernash1 Awesome reply. Thanks for that. My only problem with Oryx is that the recoil pad on there has no give to it. I would like to have a Falcon Strike Hydraulic but they do not have a set up that fits it and I even talked with one of the engineers there. So, I am looking to a combination of slip-on and shooter recoil shield.
@diggernash1 and @ronws2007 Thank you for the kind words and taking the time to share your own experiences and results with your rifles chambered in the 7mm PRC. I truly think that discussions such as these add a lot of value to these videos. I personally think we have some of the best subscribers on RU-vid, thank you for watching and contributing to the comments section! --Jeremiah
@@HandloaderTV And so, I am usually using a Pachmayr Decelerator but it has a hard plate at the top that was giving me discomfort. So, I have changed to a Limbsaver magnum sli-on and a super magnum recoil shield to wear, just in case. Still need to test that. It has been my experience that once I get the recoil handled, my accuracy improves. Managing the recoil gets rid of flinching and so you settle into a repeatable position. 7 PRC is a magnum round. Definitely sharper impulse than my TC Compass II in .308 W. That rifle uses 165 gr at 2700 fps and 1:12 twist. The 7 PRC is pushing 175 gr at 3000 fps and a 1:8 twist out of a longer barrel.
That is really good to know, you are not the first to ask for .300 PRC, we'll see if we can do a load development video on it and then do some comparisons with it as well. We do our best to make every one of our videos directly comparable to each other that is why we shoot at consistent ranges and have consistent setups. We'll see if we can find a good rifle in .300 PRC and start working on it! As always we greatly appreciate the suggestion! --Jeremiah
I certainly feel like it, I would not be where I am today without the help of Mike Venturino, Brian Pearce, Rick Jamison and Layne Simpson. They have all been extremely kind and generous with their time and efforts I am very blessed that they are willing to share their knowledge with me through their writing and simple chats with them. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
Very Nice video, Well done job on the 7PRC. "We have the Lab radar for backup" ! Ha ha! Must be nice. I have a Pro Shot Chrono and would love a Lab radar but it is out of my league. Yes I agree with most, do not just neck size. Yes its perfectly safe as long as it was shot from your gun. Full length sizing is done for a multitude of reasons and I'm sure you know that if you have read up or seen the data on it. I'm sure neck only is fine once in a while but it doesn't really save any time, so why not full length size? Anyhow, for real accuracy and consistency across the board, most Long range target guys today, seem to agree on full length sizing. Looking forward to your next videos.
Thank you very much for the kind words and the feedback we greatly appreciate it! The Lab Radars are nice for certain things, we didn't wind up needing it but it's always better to be safe than sorry! They are expensive chronographs though we paid full price for that one a few years ago and it was almost painful at the time, certainly worth it now though. In regards to your full length sizing Vs. Neck sizing the idea is usually pinned as is one better than the other. In reality I am actually doing the same thing just in a different way and i'll try to explain and hopefully it'll make sense. Rather than firing and full length sizing and bumping the shoulder back .002" and repeating that until my brass is full expanded to my chamber i'll simply neck size until the brass is fully expanded to my chamber and then i'll start full length sizing and bumping the shoulder back .002". Usually brass does not fully form to your chamber in a single firing it can take 2 or 3 firings before that brass has fully expanded to your chamber. Then once the brass is fully expanded you can bump the shouler .002" and headspace off of the shoulder and minimally work the brass. I hope that explanation makes sense if you have any further questions don't hesitate to ask.
I bought a H&S precision in the 90’s and it was a accurate rifle with 1/2” inch with several hand loads. Sold it to a close friend and bought Sako to replace it and it was a very accurate rifle too and even with factory loads!
I purchased a HS Precision Takedown tactical rifle in 308 in 1999. I believe it was a 24" barrel but not 100% certain. I added a Leupold Mark IV 10x40 and it shot sub-MOA no problem. I bought a square, compact Pelican case for it. Sadly, I had to sell it a year later. FWIW, the takedown was lever-based and seemed 100% reliable. I had no zero-shift.
@edwardabrams4972 That is good to know, a lot of folks have been saying the exact same thing as you rifles from H-S shooting into the .5s .4s .3s and even .2 consistently. From my own experience I would say that all sounds perfectly believable. They make nice rifles without a doubt. Thanks for watching and sharing that info here in the comments section we greatly appreciate it! --Jeremiah
@@cnick6 That is really neat, I would love to test that lever based takedown system, it's something you see in the movies and I would love to see just how accurate that is and put it to the test. I think that would make for a great video! Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
@@HandloaderTV Funny you mention TV. I saw a TV movie called "The Last Hit" (1993) and that made me go out and find a similar rifle. Check it out if you don't mind 'dark' movies.
Beautiful rifle sir! HS knows how to make a barrel & rifle! I will say, the velocity for reloaded & factory 175 ELD’s leads me to believe that the powder reached peaked velocity and dropped in pressure. Supposedly, factory ammo velocities are advertised with a 24” barrel, correct? Either way, if you can get great velocity relying on less powder because of barrel length, then great! Thanks, Isaac
Thank you very much we appreciate the kind words and the feedback! I agree in full with you I think that with the factory ammo peak velocity is reached with a 24" barrel and you are not gaining much if anything with a 30" barrel. However that could of course change if you are a handloader and want to use some super slow powders. Great observation and something that probably should have been mentioned in the video. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
Hornady did their homework getting that 7prc casing optimized to run accurate in a wide variety of bullets. Similar to 6.5prc and .300 prc, the goal was to have match-grade ammo that's optimized in a way that will function and group very accurately in most rifles without all the fancy typical accurizing methods. I noticed Ruger has a Ruger American chambered for it now. Bet that inexpensive gun would easily run sub-moa.
They really did the cartridge geometry makes a lot of sense and the chamber makes equally as much sense, the only thing I could see doing is running a little longer throat for those longer heavier bullets but then magazine length restrictions start to become a real issue there and it wouldn't be as versatile if you wanted to run lighter bullets. All in all it's a very good concept and I am hoping to do more with it in the future! Thanks for taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
@@HandloaderTV I've seen 190 and 195gr bullets from Hornady and Berger in 7mm. Not sure things will get longer than those, but I'd say that's the upper reaches of it and most people won't be using those.
@@exothermal.sprocket The 190, 195,...& I believe there is a 200 out there aswell, definitely suited for specific-chamber/rifle set-up utilizing the 7MM RUM,....though short barrel life for sure - it is THE King & a BAD-ASS - ASS-KICKER in a large action,....certainly not in a POS rem.action
@@ericrumpel3105 I'm aware of the RUM's. There's a point of diminishing returns in a given caliber, and everyone should make up their minds where that is. One might just go with a bigger caliber and deal with a lot less of all the wear and tear.
@@exothermal.sprocket but....bigger caliber/bigger recoil....we're talking 7MM here, with heavy bullet performance......the 7RUM with heavy's is the King & running 195's at 3000 fps. will give in return quite a serviceable barrel life.....guess it depends at what level performance a guy wants while keeping recoil down like my 300RUM vs. my 7MM RUM/300prc vs. 7prc.
What I’d do for them 4 little black bottles n the table Jeremiah….been testin h4350 and superformance in my 6.5prc waypoint and found an 1” with 55gr and 55.8…same deal here for brass…got 1bx with 6left and got 4 firings on the rest..lol…140bergers and sierras tmk 130s are what I’ve got very few of..man your rifles are amazing brother…7mm has a big place in my heart and hope to build off my ol 700adl someday…thanks matt from Ky
They are not easy to get these days although I have seen a couple of them locally so I am hoping things are getting better, there is also about 8 different shops in town that I frequent that sell powder, primers etc. H-4350 is a great powder in the PRC, best of luck with you adventures with the waypoint, I hope to get my hands on one of those someday soon. I have a soft spot for 7mm cartridges and it probably shows due to how many we have covered so far on the channel but I feel they are ideal for most of my purposes. Thanks for the kind words and taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
That is very impressive it seems like a good cartridge overall I have been very impressed with it so far and we have plans to do more with it in the future! --Jeremiah
Ha ha gosh it really does seem that way sometimes, The springtime is always tough here the last of the winter storms come in followed by a couple of months of wind. I appreciate the kind words and you taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
Agreed most flyers are not really flyers at all but would be part of a much larger sample size if you were to continue shooting. I would love to do some videos on that in the future. Thank you for the kind words and taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
H-1000 is an outstanding powder in the 7mm PRC and the A-Tip is an outstanding bullet, quite impressive when you actually look at the overall consistency of those bullets. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
I’m wondering what your thoughts are on cleaning the bore at some specified intervals? Overall the 7 PRC seems like a good round. Thanks for the thorough and detailed presentation.
Hi Jeremiah, it 's the Frenchi . I'm very impressive . This new caliber group very well. So, always we search the best reload ,like us ,the true shooters. Here, in France, it's very difficult to find the composants, not only the American product, but the European product too. Do you can to send me ,the Handloader magasine overside of Atlantic ? It' s always à pleasure to watch your vidéos. God bless.
Greetings once again! It seems to be a good one I think it'll catch on pretty quick especially among hunters and handloaders. I can only imagine, it's been difficult here in the states and over there I am sure it's even more difficult to find components. We do offer international subscriptions to Handloader magazine, shipping is of course expensive but buying the subscription saves a lot over the year compared to buying an issue here or there. Check out our website Handloadermagazine . com or give us a call and we can get you set up the phone number is 928-445-7810 thank you for the kind words and taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
99% of the time pressure = Velocity I agree in full with that, velocity is a pressure sign and most folks don't really understand that unfortunately. Hopefully as more and more information is released on the subject more folks will realize that. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
Great question, we have every intention to cover the 300 Win Mag, I currently have access to 3 of them and it's just a matter of assembling loads and getting powder an bullets lined up. It is in the works and it will be covered hopefully before the end of the year if everything works out the way I want it to. Thanks for watching and letting us know what you want to see it greatly helps us decide what to do next and we take those suggestions seriously! --Jeremiah
we show the results exactly as we get them, we actually just finished another video on a 7mm PRC that Yavapai College built for us and it has a 26 inch barrel I would highly recommend checking that out so you can see the velocity difference and compare them. All of our testing is conducted in a very similar manner so the results are directly comparable from video to video. Which we feel is very important. Thanks for watching! --Jeremiah
That’s really impressive given the wind. I have a commercial FN Mauser rifle of my grandpa’s that’s chambered in .308 Norma Magnum. It really needs rechambered/barreled in a more useful cartridge and this definitely came to mind. Wondering if I’d be better off with 7mm Remington Magnum given limited brass and load data at this point.
The wind is the bane of my videos some days, we get a lot of wind where we are located and it certainly makes it tough some days. It can be a challenge just to keep the target from moving in the wind! That is always a tough call, there is certainly considerations make for each of the cartridges, If you are rebarreling you can pick any twist rate you like so you could easily go with a 7mm Rem Mag and go with a 1:8 twist rifle and get very similar performance. I would encourage you to check out our 7mm Rem mag video and compare the two and see what you think. A close look at load data and bullet you would like to run would be worth considering as well. Overall I think component availability will be better with the 7mm Rem mag but the overall performance will probably go to the 7mm PRC. You would really be splitting hairs between the two though. I know that others are set to start making 7mm PRC ammo but I don't have a time frame on when that may be at this time. --Jeremiah
@@HandloaderTV I hear you there. We get a lot of wind here in NE OH too. I lost a chronograph to it, and sometimes it takes 3 hands to tape a target up. I definitely remember seeing your video, and there’s several great articles in Handloader as well, so I’ll probably wind up going with the 7mm Remington and a 1:8 number 4 contour barrel. That Mauser currently has a number 2 contour and a cheap plastic stock. It over heats in 3-4 shots and kicks like a mule.
I wouldnt worry about it the way 7PRC has seemed to have gotten rave reviews. Look at all the guns coming out chambered in 7PRC. Check 7PRC ballistics compared to 7Rem. Remember this ammo shortage is only temporary, god willing, as it has happened many times in past history, ask any old reloader. Get the cartridge you want is what I am saying. The ammo will come back and Hornady is running full steam and lots of 24 hr shifts for most of last year they have said. Not to mention all the others Remington is back up and running hard in AR , Winchester, etc etc.
The 308 Norma Mag Identical to the 300 Win Mag. All you need is someone running a chamber reamer to 300 WM(Way cheaper if you are confortable with recoil(A FN isn't a lightweight rifle)(If you reload, you can run 300 WM cases through a 308 NM sizing die and trim to lengh).. Just as available as the 7 RM. Rebarelling is up to your choice. A 7 mm PRC has the same bolt face and is identical in performace to the 7 RM(You can hot road to 28 Nosler if rebarreling)(Same cartrige lengh) and might fit the magazine as well. The 308 Norma and the 7 RM have about the same cartridge dimentions(7 RM a bit shorter) so no magazine tweaking. The only advantage of the 7PRC over the 7RM is that you can seat out longer bullets than in the 7RM as the case is shorter. I personally would choose a 7RM but in a magnum lengh rebarreled rifle as a old 300 WBY. I can seat out the bullets in the easy to find 7RM ammo and reload long bullets. I print the nice case pictures from Nosler reload data to compare cartridge dimentions between the cartridges and what rifle action to choose. Then compare ammo availability as I reload. You have 60 choices for 7RM and only 6 for 7PRC. In the future maybe more
Loved the video. Just bought a 7mm PRC Ruger American. Shooting factory for now to get brass. Question: What is the brand of the shooting table / bench were you shooting off of? Looks really stable…never seen one like it, would like to find one. .
Glad to hear it, the feedback is greatly appreciated! The shooting bench is a Konig Jager Super Bench, it's great, sadly they are not making those benches any longer, you may be able to find one used but they are quite rare these days. We've been recommending Stukey's Sturdy Shooting Benches instead as they are portable and very solid i've personally shot groups off those benches in the .04s so it's impressive what you can do with them. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
Great job man.. always enjoy your videos.. would love to see you test One of the new Remington 700 long range rifles in ⁷mm rem mag..check one out..I think you will be very impressed..built just like a custom rifle ..it's 1 in 8 twist with a 3.700 box magazine... REMINGTON HAS REALLY GOT A GREAT PRODUCT WITH THIS ONE.!!!
Thank you very much for the kind words and feedback we greatly appreciate it and are always looking for feedback and ways to improve. I would love to get my hands on any of the new Remington bolt guns. They are nonexistent here getting your hands on one seems quite challenging. That sounds very impressive and I would love to do some comparisons with it against other 7mm cartridges as well. Thanks so much for taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
Thank you very much the kind words and feedback are always appreciated! I think performance would be similar probably would loose somewhere around 100 FPS off the loads and factory ammo and recoil would certainly have been more of a concern but overall I think performance would still be very good. Great question thank you for taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
Jeremiah, I don't know that you mentioned the price of the rifle in your presentation. It shoots like a house afire - and it probably costs like you're replacing just such a house! You may be reluctant to quote numbers on the air, but an MSRP should be available, with the caveat that "your results may vary". And I used to shoot a M70 in 7mm Mag. While it wasn't painful, you know when it went off. This cartridge in an 8 or 9 pound rifle may well be painful. Still, a nice presentation. I wouldn't worry about your shooting technique if you are getting third of an inch groups!
They start at about $3,500. And go up from there! That seems like a lot of money but it’s a lot of fun! The Fierce rifle is a great but too! I have bought several for my boys and they are a super good deal for the price too! I am a Sako guy even though I have many other brands too including pre64’s!
@williamkaiser8067 Thank you so much for the kind words I really appreciate it! I do not like quoting prices as these videos are up here forever or at least as long as RU-vid allows them and as a result the prices could be very outdated depending on when it was viewed, I don't mind quoting them in the comments though. At the time of filming this rifle starts out at $4,799.00 which is certainly pricey but it also has a lot of features and I have found it comparable to other rifles that offer similar accuracy and features. I think in a 8 or 9 pound rifle you may want to consider adding a brake to it. I have shot a lot of 28 Nosler and I would not want to do so without a brake or suppressor it's just not very pleasant. I appreciate your feedback and kind words, I am always looking to improve and learn as much as I can. With the help of a lot of really great folks I can say my journey has come a long way but hopefully this is just the very beginning. Thanks for your continued support and taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
I can't say that I blame you there, I am still waiting on 6mm ARC brass for other projects after shooting all of mine up last year. I would say that is a wise decision especially with how difficult components are to get these days. Thanks for watching! --Jeremiah
Update. the Limbsaver worked, I don't need the shooter's shield. And mostly, I needed the Limbsaver because I put my rifle in an Oryx chassis and their butt pad is hard plastic, no give at all.
Hey I read your comments about the throat distance on the rifle. Good, but maybe that's some of the reason they did it that way. It might be a geometry thing. where pushing the bullet out farther really didn't help it. All I want to know is it a barrel burner. And can you get a replacement barrel and do-it-yourself.
I am not sure which comments about the throat distance you are referring to I apologize as there has been a lot of questions about this rifle and load development. I am sure there is a reason they designed the cartridge the way that they did. I don't have any issues with the throat or amount of freebore in the chamber just to clarify that. I just know that if there was more you could seat the bullet out further and gain more powder capacity. It may very well have been at the point of diminishing returns and could have been more practical to have a shorter throat to accommodate a wider range of projectiles and ogive shapes. As far as the barrel life goes I imagine it would be very very similar to the 7mm Remington magnum but I have yet to burn out a barrel yet so it's hard for me to put an exact figure on that right now. I know this particular rifle had over 500 rounds through it with no appreciable impact on accuracy. Great question and thank you so much for taking the time to watch and comment! --Jeremiah
It's not stretching all that much maybe a few thousandths at most without my calipers or brass handy at the time of writing this comment. It is not uncommon for the brass to fail to completely expand to the chamber within the first firing though, if anything I would say it's pretty normal to get 2-3 firings before it's consistently and completely formed to the chamber of a rifle. This is of course not a hard and fast rule. great question thank you for watching! --Jeremiah
@@possumpopper89 Great questions, glad you found the velocities during the target review. All the brass was once fired from factory ammo from the same lot of ammunition. Thanks for watching! --Jeremiah
Sprung for the 300 PRC. I already own a 28 Nosler and its a bigger hammer than the 7 PRC. I also swear by the .257 Weatherby which occupies the other end of that spectrum for me. I know some folks seem to think the 7mm PRC was brought down from the hill where the Lord hides. I happen to gravitate towards the larger caliber magnum rifles, while usually marching to the beat of a different gunner. 🤣
I have a lot of plans to do more .30 cal stuff and .300 PRC is certainly on the to do list, the 28 Nosler is a great cartridge and very hard to beat when it comes to 7mm cartridges and it's performance. I too am a fan of the .257 Weatherby I am hoping one day to cover that on the channel as well. There is nothing wrong with that, I am personally a big fan of 7mm cartridges, I currently run a .280 AI a lot. It does most everything I need it to without too much recoil eventually I'll be doing a load development on that as well. It certainly is nice to have options for everyone though, there really is a cartridge out there for everyone! Thanks for watching and your continued support we greatly appreciate it! --Jeremiah
It certainly is not picky at all, the quality of the rifle and performance was quite impressive given the wind conditions, I really wish we could have tested it under better circumstances. Thanks for watching and for the kind words! --Jeremiah
Do to the nature of filming we have to swap targets after 10 rounds with the wind and conditions that allowed the barrel to cool completely every 10 rounds. We probably could have gone 15 rounds in our conditions without any issue though, at no point would I say that barrel got hot to the touch. Great question and thank you for watching! --Jeremiah
Redding most certainly does make dies, I would suggest calling them to see what is going on and where they are at production wise. Tell them Handloader sent you I know they can put together a package to make it work. I had a pre production set here that used bushings and also had a neck sizing die. So if they are not in production now they should be very soon and either way they should have some bushing dies that would at least get you started! Thanks for watching and great question! --Jeremiah
I like long barrels. However no one uses 30" barrels at the standard 24-26" you will not get close to the performance your getting now. I have noticed a couple guys at the range struggling to get 2950-2980fps. with any 175Gr. projectile without borderline overpressure.(25"-26" Bartlein/Hart barrels and Bat actions) Problems with primer pockets, etc. with the Hornady Factory brass which looks like Norma brass. Surprising actually! The only thing 7 PRC has going for it is Quality brass from everyone. But that's what happens when Hornady makes deals. And recoil is right up there in the 25+ FT.lbs. compared to say 7mm Weatherby mag. 25+. with equal bullet weights.. So that Sucks. For the New Guys all is well. That's ok because it brings new people in Right..
I too like long barrels, we actually just finished up a build with a 26" barrel and it will be interesting to compare the velocities of the two rifles on our website, loadData. I could certainly see there being some issues and difficulty trying to work up to 3,000 FPS with a 26" barrel and as stated in the video a lot of folks have published data that is simply way too hot and way over pressure in spite of it "not showing any signs of pressure". I know Hornady is making their own brass for this cartridge and a lot of the brass out there right now is "match grade" being weight sorted and checked for uniformity. The recoil I can not speak of too much as stated in the video as this rifle weighs 20 pounds or so however when we get around to working on our custom rifle that is only weighing in at about 8-9 lbs so then we'll be able to discuss it in greater detail. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
Great question, unfortunately I don't have a great answer. We got this one directly from the manufacturer Konig Jager, it is a super bench. As far as we know they are no longer available, sadly. These days we recommend Stukey's Sturdy Shooting Benches, they are just as sturdy for shooting groups and they are portable. Plus it's a good outfit to support. Thanks for watching and great question! --Jeremiah
Great job. However, 411Tactical, Inc. has finished the development of a 7mm in a 6.5 PRC case. 162 grn bullet average velocity 2,800 fps. Short action. 28 percent less recoil.
I have heard of that, I have not yet tried it but I would love to tinker with it, I also wonder how it would compare to a 6.5 SAUM. If I can get my hands on a rifle and components I would love to tinker with it. I am personally a big fan of 7mm cartridges and have a lot of plans to cover 7mms in the future. Thanks for watching and commenting! --Jeremiah
It is in the works we have a 7mm PRC that we just finished building we'll compare both of those types of ammunition in that video along with some handloads as well. Thanks for watching and for the suggestion we greatly appreciate all suggestions! --Jeremiah
This is probably the 4th time watching this video over the past few months and I noticed you said that rifle has a short throat. It must be the standard, as I was thinking the same about my proof research barrels that both won’t let me seat either the 175 eldx or 180 eldm to 3.4” I don’t remember the coal of the 175 ablr, but i believe it’s 3.320” maximum.
First off let me thank you for all the support and taking the time to watch the video so much and comment we greatly appreciate that, I probably should have worded that a little different it is a SAAMI chamber. However the throat in the SAAMI chamber is does not allow you to seat bullets quite as long as I would have liked as seating bullets to the OALs that we did does encroach upon powder capacity slightly not a huge deal and I am probably nitpicking but I know some folks really care about that stuff. Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
@@HandloaderTVLove this channel! I agree the throat seems short. Makes me appreciate products out there like the uni-throater. I would really like to load the 175 ablr’s out to 3.5ish to clear the neck/shoulder junction with the boat tail and make a little more room for the Reumbo. Again, thanks for putting this content out and happy shooting!
@@leonardogarcia2506 Thank you very much for the kind words and for the feedback we greatly appreciate it! I'm sure it is within SAAMI Spec but yes it does seem a bit short for practical purposes especially with those longer bullets like the 175 grain and above stuff. I will say great minds think alike though! Thanks for watching and good shooting to you as well! --Jeremiah
I am not sure what you are referring to, the stock forend is indeed flat though and rides the bags nicely if that is what you were asking. At any rate thank you very much for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
Ineed it makes a difference, It can be very difficult without a brake. Thankfully this rifle is pretty heavy and as a result it was just a matter of making minor corrections from shot to shot and I was able to easily maintain cheek weld throughout the entire shot string. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
Sadly these days it's not easy it's a Konig Jager Super Bench but they were expensive and the company went out of business and are no longer making these benches. It amazes me since how many people ask this same question. It is a great bench but they are very rare these days we recommend Stukey's Sturdy Shooting Benches. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
It is intended for long rang matches and for overwatch type roles with tactical teams they chamber quite a few different cartridges. Great question thanks for watching! --Jeremiah
Great question! upon reviewing my notes neck tension was at .0015"-.002" perhaps that is something that I should mention more often when we review the targets. Thanks for watching and great question! --Jeremiah
That is pretty impressive and honestly there is not much difference between the 7mm Rem Mag and the 7mm PRC other than twist rate and maybe slight differences in case capacity and shoulder angle. That sounds like a great load to me though, Those 195 grain bergers are impressive. Thanks for watching --Jeremiah
@@SpudOutdoors That sounds like a nice rifle, I like the fact that they were smart enough to have a magazine to accommodate those longer heavier bullets and a twist rate to match. That was a smart move on their part. --Jeremiah
Are you referring to the ball cap being backwards while shooting or my crooked work hat? At any rate thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
I was just looking up reload data 7PRC & the 28Nosler. It looks like your splitting hair, 28Nosler more fps., Why??? That's like people jumping on the 22 Creedmoor! I put a Shilen 22-250 barrel 1in 8" twist on my Savage model 10. I'm shotting 77gr. Nosler C/C bullets @ 3,200fps. 22 Creedmoor same bullet 3,300! They keep remaking the wheel!!! I did like the video Jeremiah! Thanks for sharing!!!
I would say that you are splitting hairs a little bit, the Nosler has about 125 FPS or so on the 7mm PRC and it's really similar to the 7mm Rem mag, the main reason as stated in the video is for the twist rate. The 7mm PRC has a twist rate of 1:8 compared to 1:9 or 1:10 this allows for the use of the heavier higher BC bullets that we used in this test the 197 Sierra and 195 Berger EOL being prime examples of these projectiles. There is also some improved chamber design and improved case design as well, sometimes that is over-hyped but it is technically an advantage. Now in the case of the .22 Creedmoor vs the standard 22-250 Rem I would say the 22 Creedmoor has the advantage, staying within pressure limits you would be able to push that same 77 grain bullet from the 22 creed to about 3,400 FPS with the right powder and i'd say at best you can get 3,200 with the 22-250 Rem according to most data sources 200 FPS is nothing to sneeze at. I understand what you are saying though it seems like a lot of these cartridges are splitting hairs and that you can get 90 percent of the performance with a cartridge that already exists. I personally like the variety and I enjoy having all the options we have today but as always to each their own. That is why we show the velocities and the results exactly as we get them. Thank you for the kind words and taking the time to comment, it is always nice to know what other folks are thinking and I enjoy reading the comments section I feel it adds a lot of value to our videos. --Jeremiah
Great question we got about 3,067 FPS the target review starts at 28:40 and we cover all of the ammunition and loads tested including velocity, group size and ES and SD. I would highly encourage you to check that out. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
The H-S Precision HTR rifles start at around 5K if memory serves me right but they certainly are well built and accurate rifles. They also make great stocks if you are looking for a cheaper barrel and action option. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
That is mostly true i'd say they are very similar, there is no belt on the 7mm PRC which matters a great deal to some folks. A big part of it is certainly the twist rate as well, making it a SAAMI standard twist rate of 1:8 will help stabilize the longer bullets but at the same time you can do the same thing by swapping barrels to a fast twist 7mm rem mag. I would love to compare the 7mm Rem Mag to the 7mm PRC I think it would be a lot of fun because they are so similar. However the logistics of that are always challenging. At any rate thank you for taking the time to watch and comment and share your thoughts it's always nice to know what others are thinking! --Jeremiah
I have saw factory rifles with that twist rate and I have saw the 7 rem shoot same velocity with same weight bullet factory rifles are being offered in it now and ammo really the belt bout the biggest thing
@@jameswilson5562 That is true I think Browning makes a 1:8 7mm Rem mag but don't quote me on it. Indeed and how relative the belt is continues to be a hotly debated topic. I know there is also differences in the chamber and so on but to be honest it's very difficult to pin down statistically significant testing in that regard. good point and thanks for watching. Perhaps we'll have to do that comparison video sooner rather than later. --Jeremiah
Definitely not a mountain gun in any way shape or form, it made it a pleasure to shoot from the bench though. Certainly an accurate rifle as well. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
Thank you very much, the kind words are always appreciated! That is why I said I don't know about tactical, in this case I think it is just a name, the rifle really is designed for competition and ELR type shooting. However I am pretty sure tactical was originally supposed to be adjective and lately it seems to mostly refer to nouns.... but I digress, these days it just seems to be a buzzword. Great question though, wish I had a better answer without getting too deep in the weeds. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
Why is all the old heads saying u cannot get 3000 fps out of a 175 in this caliber this proves them wrong even at a 24 inch barrel u still looking at around 3,000
To be honest with you I don't know why a lot of people say things about cartridges and firearms that are simply not true. We have another 7mm PRC video in the works and it has a 26" barrel so you'll be able to compare and contrast between those two videos. We'll shoot the same factory ammo through the rifle and probably change up the handloads. At any rate thank you so much for watching and taking the time to comment. We greatly appreciate all the support and strive to provide the best information possible to the public, unbiased and unfiltered. --Jeremiah
It is all relative to what you are wanting to do. There is a lot of cartridges out there that fall into that category not just from Hornady, look at the 6.8 Western. I think the main reason they are doing this is get those faster twist rates out there to stabilize those longer, higher BC bullets. You can do the same with a 7mm Rem mag but not everyone wants to swap barrels on those or butcher up there Pre 64 Model 70, etc. I personally like having the options out there if I don't like it I don't have to buy it but I would rather have the option than not. That is just my two cents for what it is worth. Either way it is nice to hear what others are thinking and get some feedback on it. Thank you so much for watching and taking the time to comment! --Jeremiah
I would love to cover the 6mm PRC, that is a great suggestion and we will certainly take that into consideration. I appreciate the feedback, it's always nice to know what others want to see! --Jeremiah
Not at all, I was wondering if anyone would notice that, it's simply on there to prop up the rifle and as a bit of an easter egg if you will, you are the only one that noticed it so far though, perhaps this one was not obvious enough. I have a video on my personal Instagram of me shooting this rifle and the bi-pod is on correctly should anyone question it 🤣 good catch though you were the first and so far the only. Thanks for watching and politely pointing it out! --Jeremiah
100 yards is the standard for accuracy testing and the range at which most rifles are zeroed to. We test all of our rifles at 100 yards which makes all of our videos directly comparable to each other. We have done other videos at long range but for our initial load development 100 yards is the gold standard. It helps eliminate wind, and other variables from the testing. --Jeremiah
@@HandloaderTV Fair enough but it hardly seems right a 7mmPRC testing at 100 yards...be plinking 1000! 5$ a shot and who zeros a 7PRC at 100?>>>>>NOT PICKING SHIT OUT YOUR VIDEO OR BIG BUCKLE< just wanted to see what this bad boy could do and !)) yards aint testing shit!
@@gesheepistemology8050 With no disrespect, I would hardly call .50" to .35" groups at 100 yards plinking. The factory ammo is actually cheaper than that, a 20 round box is about $60.00, that is around $3.00 per round currently. Not really much difference from that and other cartridges right now. As far as who zeros a 7mm PRC at 100, that is a pretty standard zero distance. I personally zero all of my rifles at 100 yards, it's consistent and allows for a very repeatable and reliable zero. In fact that is what Chase Stroud and Robert Brantley both zero their rifles at. Robert holds a world record in ELR for hitting a target at 4,229 yards. In talks with him and many other long range shooters you would be surprised how many of them use a 100 yard zero. They do this because it is a good and repeatable distance to formulate a baseline. If you look to a lot of the experts Robert and Chase included they punch a lot of paper at 100 yards before going out to distance. That is where your evaluation starts and where the bulk of your information is gathered. So I have to disagree with you. The goal was to test the rifle and see what it was capable of and not test the shooter or the ballistic calculations or the wind drift of the bullet where at long ranges becomes a large variable. At 100 yards everything is more controlled, once the 100 yard testing is done then you can take the rifle out to distance. You want to walk before you run, it makes the whole experience and data gathered better and more reliable. If you wanted to see us take a 7mm PRC out to distance I would be happy to do so and have done so with both the 28 Nosler and the 7mm Rem mag. which both were shot first at 100 yards and zeroed at 100 yards and we shot out to 600 yards and compared them with trued ballistic calculations to 1,000 yards. So we can certainly take the cartridge out to distance and we always appreciate that feedback and hearing what others want to see. I hope this does not come off as condescending or anything like that we are here to provide information and the best information we possibly can along with educating other about, firearms, handloading and use of good proper techniques to get the best results possible with what you have available. Thanks for watching and for the comments. --Jeremiah PS. here is an good interview with Chase where they talk about punching paper at 100 yards and his 100 yard zero and his process behind ELR. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-HakD6A9MNOE.html
@@HandloaderTV Where I live 308x20 is $101...hate to think what 7prc is! I just bought rem700 300WM to make a 7prc yesterday. Kinda feel like I fucked up! Rem700 is a shitty action and feel like even blueprinting wont be what I wanted (custom clone), which I couldn't find after 2 months searching! Tried and failed at finding a SA magBF custom clone as well! Probably would have chosen a 6mmPRC for this first full custom build, but NO ONE is focusing on this one (I believe better ballistics than 6.5prc) so I wanted to build a 6.5 first....7mm was my bad boy and no cost spared rifle...now I feel dirty with a standard factory action!! Might just sell the new 300WM and wait till some bastard imports custom clone actions again! Will have to learn apps and what 200 zero will do, if it makes it harder for me and decide....certainly won't be shooting 100m groups after that is done...5 from 5 @ 200m on 3 inches is a test for roo hunting license here...500/700/800 and the day I do 1km and 1 mile (2foot) I will do a lap of honour and retire a happy man.
@@gesheepistemology8050 Ah that makes more sense now, that is very expensive for .308 Winchester! I know they are not the best actions on the market but I have had decent success with them when a good gunsmith does the work, blueprinting and truing them up. I have a .280 AI that shoots consistent .3" groups at 100 yards which translates to just under an inch at 300 yards if I do my part but I suppose that can really depend on the action and the smith not all Rem 700 actions were created equal. I imagine it's a lot harder to find rifle components where your at than it is here, that is rough! I have heard of folks tinkering with the 6mm PRC and the 6.5 PRC necked up to 7mm as well. It is a little different animal than what we showed here. I would love to cover these cartridges but I run into cost problems, time problems and then actually sourcing the parts can be difficult as well or at least cost prohibitive for a single video. I suppose if it was easy everyone would be doing it. Best of luck to you in your rifle and handloading adventures and thanks again for watching! -Jeremiah
