The bot crisis was horrible for many reasons, but one of the worst was that it made everyone so paranoid of snipers that those "he killed me so he's obviously cheating, kick him please!!!!!" salt-lords actually have the ability to convince others to kick people.
Even funnier that the only difference between me and that other sniper is a private profile. Doesn’t even matter that he’s hitting even more shots than i do - i’m the sus guy
@@Vorobey69 He has more than 3000 hours on Sniper alone, and he still has no idea to know who's a cheater and who's legit good as a Sniper? Bro, now that's an achievement, even if it is a sad one. How can you fuck up like that?
...Was? Though I do agree, it does make a lot more people super suspicious of Sniper players. However I've also found that people are less reliable at kicking hackers who aren't playing Sniper, even when it's rather obvious.
I just checked that Meadows guys profile and he’s a TF2 Wiki editor and a TF2 Translator moderator. He has been playing the game for 10+ years now and randomly accuses people for hacking just because their profile is private. How pathetic man.
How is someone a hacker because they don’t want someone snooping around their profile lmao. I get that cheaters usually private their profile but that’s just ridiculous. 10+ years and still calls people hackers like a little kid. 🤦♂️
This idiot should be deleted from the wiki.... it’s the same with people who know more about the law then police officers. Like wtf. You don’t deserve that shit.
@@Fm7b5_ look a 0 cosmetics (not even gibus) sniper headshotting ur whole team like it’s nothing would be a bit sus, + the private profile and not talking at all until the last second and the fact you can’t spec easily anymore…..
I love being friendly and when someone kills me I either don't care at all or fight back and not bitch about it. People should really learn to not get mad over a silly video game, especially against people who are just playing the game as intended.
While I don't necessarily have the same views as you on friendlies, kicking someone for wanting to fight is the lamest shit. If someone wants to kill you as a friendly, you can literally just kill them back. The mental gymnastics these people go through is fucking insane lmao
Weeell.. i could see a reason when it's not really the lamest one anymore. I was on a 2fort server one day. Everyone was fighting and all. And, at some point, aome friendlies started popping up. I was fine with that. Then more and more people of the server started joining. Now.. where's the problem here ? It's simple, really. The whole server turned friendly, and there was that one and only scout who was playing the game seriously. Kicking someone who just wanna play is annoying, sure. But when the whole server became friendly and you still wanna tryhard the game, you're not gonna accomplish much, except being hated by the ones having fun and messing around. The better thing to do in that case would be to just requeue, really..
@@skaynne54 I agree that it'd probably be better for them to requeue, but I think kicking someone out for killing is kinda dumb. It's not hard for you to fight back and it's just not worth anyone's time to make a big deal out of it anyways
@A Normal Pedestal And Definitely Not A Mimic I can understand, yeah. And sure. Requeuing is pretty annoying, especially if you waited several minutes to find one single match.
@@SpeakersVolumeUp True, it's not hard. But i guess, maybe it's just that people are not always knterested to fight back. I wouldn't mind. But i guess not everyone thinks the same.
Do you feel superior because you accept people ruining the fun for others? If there is literally one guy who is tryharding and most of the server doesn't want to, is he the good guy? I don't think so. You can simply rejoin, simple as that.
Those are what I call, "Forced Friendlies". They need the game the way they want. A True Friendly will take a death and keep going. A Death is another mark to someone that wants to play the game they want. They live to feed kills/stranges.
@@69weenies89 Nah, some friendlies (at least in my history/experience) would just crouch walk and if you killed them, they'd come back doin their thing. I wouldn't kill them then. I don't consider that a force, just a "Oh you're doin your own thing, lemme focus someone else then." I'm confident that probably like 70% of em wouldn't have whined.
@@69weenies89 those aren't friendlies, most of the cases those are like uhhh... I guess I'll call them neutrals, if you attack them they'll attack, if you don't they won't attack. A prime example is Soundsmith Though there are some cases where people claim to be friendly but actually aren't, like what OP said
@@neeevirus Imagine someone who acts friendly and gets killed, only to say the n-word after that. That would give me an awesome reason to kill friendlies. I'm either friendly, or playing the game, doing my own thing. But if you're a friendly and you say the n-word, cuz someone killed you, i don't see a friendly in front of me but a dumbass.
waiting for the day when voro gets trickstabbed like, seriously, if you ever do, please put it in. I'm watching every single second every time you upload just to see if you got trickstabbed yet. I love seeing experienced spies work, especially from the perspective of the person who gets killed by them. That combined with your reaction of it would be really satisfying.
i fucking hate when they say "go play comp" like is that supposed to mean you aren't allowed to kill people in casual servers? wtf is the matter with these people
Ikr if they wanna go friendly without letting anyone play the game they should go to community servers, like for fuck sake nowadays its hard finding a clear of bots casual so when i get a casual i wanna kill
When you have 3000+ hours on sniper, the amount of edgyness is staying within you, and thus your brain goes "The dude that's killing me is cheating" everytime they get out-sniped.
As a recently graduated f2p, meeting a competitive sniper for the first time is... Frustrating. But as a player with horrendous aim, I can only respect him and try to stay out of his sightline. Though it's another thing when he shot me, a dominated scout out of the heavy, medic and pyro right beside me. No kicks were initiated and all accusations fell short. Just... It feels like I'm getting bullied at that point when he ignores the med just for your tiny head.
Sniper is just not very well designed so your frustration is understandable. No other class in the game can consistently and reliably instakill everything at any range from complete safety.
@@carbdebunkshate8967 ah yes, the long range instakill 5/9 classes class in a game with 8/9 classes being short to mid range is balanced, not even including the fact that sniper can still one shot up close
Ok i wasnt getting kicked, but i finally found a server without any bots in it and i was so happy but then the entire server turned friendly and i was fucking pissed
You mean killing a server of friendlies instead of requeing in literally the only first person shooter where being friendly is a major part of the game's identity?
@@zachsz9320 You mean playing the game as intended rather than treating side thing of it as the main thing ON THE OFFICIAL SERVER while hundreds of for fun servers exist in the community server tab?
@@zachsz9320 if they’re gonna be friendly on an official server they shouldn’t complain about being killed in a first person shooter and they definitely shouldn’t kick someone for killing friendlys
I like to be a middle ground of friendly and aggressive. I'll play around with the friendlies and obsessively spam the square dance taunt but if someone comes in wanting a fight i'll happily flare punch them into the stratosphere
I hate friendlies so effing much. Like I play a infection game and people has signs that said “I’m friendly” nah I wanna kill things and now people calls me a asshole for killing it’s so f***ing childish
It's even funnier when you get accused of cheating when you miss more shots than you hit them, happened to me too many times than I'd like to admit, it's hilariously sad how people are too paranoid about Cheaters and Bots that they'll accuse every good sniper of cheating
That Double-cross part was justified. It was fighting and killing at one-part. then you reconnect. Less fighting, but still other players actually fighting. And then they all become friendly. Honestly I feel your pain. One minute i am just fragging and the next the whole server decides to go friendly. which is extremely annoying when you just wanna kill. Yes I interact with friendlies, but i usually taunt at them then run off, leaving them be, I just don't join the crowd, because everyone else is doing it. Also I usually let spies do their own thing, as long as they don't stab me, on CTF maps that is. It is funny watching spies stabbing a sniper and then immedately get blown up by soldier that is nearby.
Vorobey completly wiping entire server and shooting headshot after headshot: :D Vorobey when someone got 2 headshots in a row: he is hitting too many shots, he is pretty weird
I find that more often than not the people who have more time spent in the game call cheats, probably because they think they are the best in the server.
@@ryanplayzgames5652 the way to never be like that is to not give a damn if the enemy team kills you in the first place. after all its part of the game. you cant avoid it forever.
If the server is friendly, then yes, and I think it always wa skill that. If you live only to have fun yourself and nobody else, then I massively disagree with your beliefs. I think that it’s important to recognize the vibe of the room before doing anything else. I don’t need to do something that is detrimental to others enjoyment to have fun. Also, it’s pretty damn disrespectful and makes it seem like you just want to farm kills, which you know there are servers for, right? If you want to do that, there are servers for that.
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Being friendly is fun don’t get me wrong, but you shouldn’t do it on the official servers and expect to never get killed. Not everyone is going to taunt with you
As someone who often will just play friendly because it's funny sometimes, these kinds of people suck, like your in a game about killing, your the one not playing the intended way so don't get mad when someone kills you.
I disagree with you on friendlies, but I also absolutely agree with you on it. I don’t mind a hoovy or friendly here and there, it’s really fun to have a moment when fighting turns into conga after you’ve both missed all your shots and laugh at it. But, “we all want to crouch and derail the game en-mass” and you’re the bad guy for just playing the game. Yeah that sucks. Being friendly is a choice that’s against the grain of the game, even if it’s a part of the game. You’re making the choice to lay down arms in a combat zone, deal with getting killed. Being friendly is a dangerous job.
Honestly killing friendlies is not really "playing the game". Games are supposed to be entertaining. Kills are run when you earn them and friendlies are the same as killing an unarmed npc in like gta. I only agree with the point when the entire server turns friendly. It can feel a little confusing if it will turn back to normal. I'll take my kills against actual players everyday. The friendly hoovy is nice to look at when i leave spawn.
Honestly, a big part about being friendly is knowing you will get killed, if you can't accept that don't be friendly. The only problem I can see is people going out of their way to deliberately hunt friendlies. That's a dickhead move, but just playing the game normally? That's completely fine
Him: starts hitting ever headshot “man, this kids wanna kick me for hacking” other sniper starts head shoting “is he hacking?” (Talking about 1st game on [Dustbowl i think, it was first payload match])”
I hate that someone can be kicked just for playing the game. Like, it's a FPS game, People ARE going to shoot you. I also hate how people go "HES CHEATING" because they died to an actual skilled player.
only thing i dont understand is why bothering to kill friendly's in a friendly server id personally think its more fun just to find another match or just wait for the server to turn hostile again cause normally servers act in that cycle at least in my experience.
@@sentryishere You can still kill people in a friendly server just don’t go out of your way to target the people who are off in the corner enjoying themselves. What do you even get out of killing friendlies? Satisfaction like “wow I just killed that motionless target” or a strange farm that you could just go to a dedicated server for or would it make be out of spite because they’re not engaging in the game how you want them to.
@@jacobbarnett2656 You friendlys are hypocrites and don’t realize it you say how were spite because people don’t play the game our way but you kick people who aren’t being friendlys aswell LOL
@@sentryishere Hey saying we’re all the same is pretty unfair. I couldn’t care less if someone keeps killing me when I’m friendly. There’s a difference in your points that makes them inherently flawed. In this video Vorbey wasn’t kicked out of spite he was kicked for killing the same people over and over and over again when they were just trying to have a good time together and not bothering anyone. Sure you can say you’re just playing the game which is true but so are they and if the majority of people want to be friendly in something as insignificant as a casual CTF match people need to grow up and realise that their own desire to have fun shouldn’t step on so many others knowingly.
8:22 I feel like that was uncalled for. If you don't want to be friendly, play fat scout or trolldier instead of sniper, it's a lot more acceptable than calling your team profanity then getting kicked.
ah yes tf2 the game where you're not allowed to be good at the game or you'll get accused of hacks. well, i guess that's any game in general which freakin sucks considering these types of players just wants to enjoy the game but people just kick them out without the guy even ever have the chance to defend themselves.
Exactly, i always get top score with heavy and natascha and the fuckers kick me cuz a. They think im a bot and they kick me in a second (if they wanna check if im a boy they should do group taunts that the only way i can defend myself since im f2p), b. I dont have ugly ass 200$ pixels on my head (i have gibus mercenary and the glasses), c. Cuz i killed them (one time a scunt wanted to kick me for killing me
"Never before have I seen someone killing someone else in a fps game."-Litterally every forced friendlies player I accidentally killed while playing freaking payload and capture the point map. Seriously, if they weren't standing in the freaking out in the open, I wouldn't have.
It's so easy to tell a good player apart from a cheater in tf2 and that's why I love about it. And then I hate how people throw common sense out the window even though they see you miss, die and make mistakes and they still call you a cheater.
Sadly some cheaters can toggle and/or keep it low-key (/rare tbh). Though you are right that they are very distinguishable. I still have my policy of "be suspicious of everybody"..
Maybe the reason we try to kick skilled players is due to fear of losing what once was. We grew paranoic of constantly encountering cheaters that it became our instinct to votekick a skilled player just because we think that you are one of them.
@@doubledee8677 This is the Lamest reason I've ever heard. Kicking a player just because he's better than you doesn't mean he's ruining the fun, you're ruining it by yourself for not accepting it. Dumb.
@@BapsStudio Who said anything about dancing you dumb pillock? There's nothing fun about being in a fight and suddenly getting instakilled from half a map away.
You dont understand, the only reason why i want to kill in that one friendly server is because every other server are full of bots, you cant simply tell somebody to just join another server.. because that other server your talking about probably has bots itself!
Yes! So it turns out i was right in assuming i had come accross you in casual, as you have the same nickname in the beginning of the video. I'm assuming that game's gonna go in the hacker police vid since some guy seemed pretty pissed at you lol
here me out killing friendlies despite how fun it is, is a dickish move that justifies getting kicked cause ok if you want to play the game play the game but dont ruin how others play the game the requeue button is right there dont justify saying that killing friendlies is fine when your ruining how they play the game so in response your teammates will ruin the game for you
Doublecross friendlies are the worst. Got kicked on a friendly server because a pyro decided to kill me and no-one else and my team saw me getting revenge without context
This is a lot coming from someone who does stupid shit like Fish Milk and who plays friendly alot. Its infuriating when you get killed while trying to be friendly. More so when most the server is friendly except for one person. It makes it feel like that one person is trying to ruin the fun of everyone else whether or not that is the intent. This leads to a kick on that person so that everyone being friendly on the server can preserve their own version of fun but at the same time they ruin the fun of another person, the person who does not like playing Friendly. Being friendly is ok. Being a tryhard (Trying your Hardest to win) is also ok as long as it is not malicious AKA you are doing it with the intent to ruin the fun of others. In this case I will also include "Playing the game as intended" as being a "tryhard" because aside from the intent of the game being having fun, the intent also winning. It has already been said in the comments before but I'll say it myself here as well. If you're a friendly, being killed is part of the game. Just like when not being friendly. You can of course request that the person killing you stop but if they don't then don't cry about it and request a kick. Fight back. Fight back you cowards. In short, Playing the game however you want is OK as long as its not malicious and you understand your idea of fun may conflict with the idea of fun that other people have.
That last argument is off topic here since it is supposed to be used when only a few people are friendly compared to the majority of the server, and it's the same as the opposite, if you are one of the really few who keeps killing people when everyone else is friendly, why get mad about it? Either ask for dm-ing, requeue or go with the flow of the server, but don't just act surprised because you raged while wanting everyone else to play like *you* do. Also the intent of the game is quite debatable, it can be to win in some cases but just to have fun in silly ways in other cases. Tf2 is too unique to have people using the excuse of "i'm just playing normally because it is a first person shooter".
The problem is not playing the game, The problem is ruining the fun of an entire friendly server with the excuse of "I just wanted to play the game" with how easy it is just find another game...
I remember finding a DeGroot Keep server where the rest of guys danced and stared at each other. I came in as a spy and got them to realize what they've been missing out on this mode with some backstabs. A red got autobalanced and tried votekicking me, then failed. He left. lol
I will say, it is so incredibly infuriating when some guy kicks you right before you cap the final intel for no reason. Especially after you were on that server for hours.
@@TheFerbison what rule? the funny orange hat man said its a rule therefore it is one? good luck getting people to agree on that the only rule in casual is that cheating is not allowed
@@alexalcalaortiz368mf, if you want to play the game go find another server with people also wanting to do so. It's literally not that hard. People can have fun in tf2 without just strictly killing each other so if that's the case just leave and find a new one. You're just being a dick ruining everyone's fun just because "uh I wanna play the game!"
@@GeorgeSupremu by giving them sandviches? Sure, but the most toxic thing in the game? If anything the people that go out of their way to kill them are toxic.
@@dogsys they also are toxic, when you kill them they became more toxic than anyone. Now who would you call toxic, the one who plays the game or the one who just sits and does nothing and is toxic when you kill them?
o k, i know i'm SUPER late too this party and this is extra immature of me but, 10:04 "one of those nuts might be cheating" is a line i never thought i'd hear vorobey say and it made me laugh XD keep on calling out those pansy ass cheaters vorob, your videos are some of my favorites ngl
2:50 Y'know, from all theses days of experience of TF2, I'm still trying to know what's making other people's game to crash after a certain kills, that happens to me, I thought it was something involved on the level of details. Like dxlvl80, lowering the quality and more. But it wasn't, tho imagined trying to get 25 kill streak and THAT happens out of no where.
Honestly theres so many blatant cheaters that got their accounts reinstated. Seriously theres accounts that have “last vacban 24 days ago” shit like that and people either kick immediately or say “mmmm i dunno. They dont look like theyre cheating” while on the flipside literally kicking random people that havent done anything outta the game.
@@greatgrungus7022 It sometime take fucking ages to find a different server your basically saying you want someone to waste there time because you can’t handle beings shot at in a fucking shooter game
Not all friendlies are this asshole-ish, the best players are the ones who occasionaly go friendly and then start killing those are the casual players, and the friendlies who dont bitch about dying
These types of friendlies are so dumb, like they expect no one to kill them... IN A GAME WHERE FIGHTING IS THE ENTIRE PURPOSE OF THE GAME! And when they do get killled they throw a temper tantrum and votekick them!
I love the vids and the skill you have. I just don't see why you have to kill the friendlies on purpose. It's kind of pointless to interact with them at all, just ignore them. When the server goes friendly, it's just time to leave. Killing them is a waste of both people's times. In an actual game when only one or two enemy friendlies it is a waste of ammo and attention better served playing the objective. Getting "kills" serves no purpose in that sense. I am personally not usually a friendly of tf2 and I play a lot of payload. It is ironic that the "tryhard" kills friendlies yet it does nothing for the objective. Actually makes the tryhard almost as detrimental to the team as the friendly. I usually just pass them up. But they will get shot down if in the middle of the way. A lot of people use box spies as shields. I just see no point in killing people doing conga. It is not even fun to kill those who are unarmed, no challenge. Shallow victory. In most fps games, there is a big incentive to kill everyone. Deathmatch, or lack of funny things tf2 has. Csgo is so big on small teams compared to tf2's 12 people that your team will rage at you. Also you will get panic shot by the enemy team every time. In conclusion, just take a neutral stance on the situation. Nothing can be done so save the ammo and effort.
i’ve got around 600-650 hours on sniper and i’ve found myself getting kicked more and more because of how frequent bot issues have been. i’ve started playing worse just to simply avoid conflict or trying to prove innocence etc. if i hit like 2-3 headshots in a row i take out my smg and run away or stop peaking for a couple seconds, it’s terrible
Tbh people don’t get this is a online shooter and they act freindly is a fucking shooter what do you mean then you kick him because he’s playing the game cmon there’s no way you people act like wussy’s because of some one being better.
50/50 rule, be friendly if more than half are friendly, be tryhard if over half are tryhard. Don’t be mean if those guys don’t want you to kill them, everyone there was friendly so that’s why they kicked you, you weren’t following the 50/50 rule.
after looking for numerous matches without bots just to have a normal game of TF2 and finally find a botless game....just so ppl don't play the game as intended and kick you for trying to. Im sorry but the 50\50 rule is an outdated rule from a long gone era and should be thrown out the window at this point with the state of the game.
@@carolthepyro899 hard to argue with you there I guess. I wouldn’t say the rule is outdated though. It’s just that the current circumstances don’t have it work.
I have always been amazed how quicly a TF2 server becomes friendly, like... in no other game Have i ever had a friendly lobby just... spontainiously appear
i kinda lost respect for you soon as you killed those friendlies, we were having a good time sharing the one available brain cell and had to ruin it ):
Ok about the friendly thing, I use a way that is, if the server is actually playing the game, then you can kill any friendly because they are doing fucking anything and are annoying their team, BUT in case at least half of the server or more are being friendly then don't be a stubborn and join another match or just ignore them, because there is nothing bad about playing the game, but if the server like enjoying the game in another way then let them in peace and queue for another match, but only if the mayority of the server is doing that. In case of capture the Flag, I just ignore the friendlies, unless they are in the way or helping the enemy with sandwiches or something like that. But HEY is just my way to do it and the one that I consider the more fair :p Edit: In this case Vorobey hadn't any fault because there were only like 4 or 5 people being friendlies + it was without previous warning, they just went friendlies and "who kill them they are shit". In another case I think a friendly can defend himself like if there is someone trying to kill them and they just want to be chilling there then after they die a bunch of times, they will try to defend themselves, and I don't see it so bad. And I know it is annoying to be searching a match a lot of time just to be in a friendly server, but it isn't an excuse to ruin fun of everyone in that server.
