TF2 Isn't The Same Anymore 

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It's strange to think that, but the fact that TF2 got abandoned by Valve meant that we never saw it devolve into having a Battle Royale mode. Silver lining, something-something.

It's really upsetting to me that Valve, a company infamous for doing literally everything at a snail's pace, has begun to rush out just about everything they do now.

Correction: Abraham Lincoln invented stairs because he was tired of rocket jumping. Which is even better.

It’s a wild concept to me that people that started after jungle inferno will never know the joy of getting a new weapon added to the game and the balance that will come once added.

Has TF2 changed? Yes. Will TF2 die? Probably not.

Its changed for sure. But its still the only game I can play, take long breaks, come back to, and still have reliable fun.

every tf2 update to me is just "woow so many new maps!" *boots up upward and badwater*

This could have all been fixed if the stinky and smelly unusual effect was added

tf2 delivers fun with it's gameplay and possibilities instead of events, content updates and fomo.

it's inching closer and closer to modern gaming, when the reason so many people like it is for how unique the game is and how it's one of the only remaining bastions of old school...

When I first started as a medic main, especially in mvm, I would always ask my more experienced teammates what I could be doing better. Sometimes it hurts a little, but I needed to read it because it meant being a more dependable and supportive medic. Listening to criticism can hurt, but ultimately it for the best. Its like a flu shot. Does it hurt and make that spot sore? Yes, but it helps your immune system fight the flu.

TF2 updates have always been a strange case to me

The demoman reload animation is broken still to this day since the game came out

There's an alternate universe where TheWhat was a KH youtuber.

I actually kinda like that tf2 is left the hell alone. The seasonal stuff is a quick distraction (or a long one with Halloween contracts) and then im back to playing my usual rotation of maps. I'm old, i dont like change.

I think if you're worried that the standard for what is accepted into the game is slipping (and for the record, I agree that it is), the feedback should be directed at Valve. Blaming workshoppers for getting their unfinished or sub-standard designs accepted by Valve is like blaming a dog for doing a bad job working at a toll booth. Someone hired a dog. Blame them. Wutville is the perfect example of this. I've seen a lot of people saying that #saveTF2 didn't work, so now we're all out of options for communicating with Valve. I don't really understand why. Since when was there a rule that we only get to raise awareness once? I see no reason why #saveTF2 couldn't be a yearly thing until Valve actually follows up. Why did we give up on the solution that makes the most sense - and more importantly - hurts the least amount of people?

As a newer player myself(joined right at the end of 2017), I'm frankly surprised at how other newer players could accept this stuff. Maybe it's because I have a better understanding of these things as an artist myself but I still dont see how any regular person could accept it either

Tf2 hasn't been the same after they removed Madcap 😔

Finally some person I can relate to, I am also very tired of pretending that tf2 is a "great wonderland for everyone and everything". Thank you for this video.

1000% right. You really brought up great points, especially the whole “BE POSITIVE OR BE QUIET” garbage. This is really what TF2 needs, thank you.

I'm gonna be completely honest I've been a 2fort/doublecross dweller for around 7 years now I'd say and the game still holds up but something I've noticed lately is that there haven't been many bots on ctf compared to other gamemodes. I don't know why that is but who knows. Also the new smissmas update is actually kinda good, decent maps and good cosmetics. Hope the valve servers never shut down

Tf2 during the server era was peak afternoon for me

I think from the moment the game shifted mainly towards community support, that's when the game started to be a whole different thing. It is in tone and atmosphere a very different game than the original release. It's sad we'll never get to see the full spy thriller experience Valve started with, but that ship has sailed a long time ago

I've said it multiple times, and I'll say it again, community-added gamemodes peaked with VSH. I wish that instead of Zombie Fortress, we just got more VSH because I believe that the problem with VSH was that most of its popularity was hype. It is a damn good gamemode that not only updates the classic Juggernaut style gameplay, but makes it fun for hours upon hours on end! I only stopped playing because every match I entered was more VSH, and I'd love to go back now that it's been a while. Zombie Fortress gave us an idea of how things could go wrong with community gamemodes, Prop Hunt, (thank God it didn't get added) would've been just too much.

Y'all always come around, eventually. You know it's okay say my name, right?

I feel like slowly more and more people are waking up to this first it was zesty, then it was fish sticks and now even thewhat is realising this. I hope valve reconises what's happening with other titles and not fall into the same trap

I honestly think this is the most mature response I've seen talking about modern tf2, amazing video

TF2 hasn't been the same since they shoe horned matchmaking into the game snuffing out community servers and ushered unto us a 24/7 plague of bots that only exist as the match ruining force they are because they can just mindlessly spam the system and get funneled onto new players to harass.

Honestly the people who say “just don’t play it” should take their own advice and just not play TF2 at all.

just edged to this video, thanks homie 🐐

this saved my life thank you

As someone who's had a steam account since 2013, I really can relate to some of the stuff you said in this video, especially about all the modern garbage from games like COD, Fortnight or even Rainbow Six Siege (which used to be one of my favourite games). Its such a shame to see big developers run their games head first into the ground just for the sake of bleeding their players dry or what not thus changing the games identity. Excellent video overall though.

Valved replaced quick-play with Casual and added official Competitive in 2016, the year I joined. The Last Major Update was 2017. The last balance patch was 2018. Valve servers are still flooded with bots since 2020, and chat is still disabled for F2Ps despite it not fixing the problem. The only reason Valve still touches the game at all is to keep milking players with cosmetic updates. At the end of the day, Valve is like every other gaming company. And as of the last decade or so, that means NOT providing a finished product, but instead stringing you along until you realize you've been ripped off.

Well-made video. However, though I agree with most of your points, my opinion on the Workshop Creator vs. Gatekeeper issue differs. Workshop submissions are not in the game. And the only one who judges what to add to the game is Valve. If Valve decides to pick sloppy, crappy, out-of-style items or maps, no one can stop them. And it so happened in that way for years. And after the recent Prop Hunt drama, some people started to point guns at Workshop Creators for creating subpar submissions and actively trying to gatekeep. Review bombing, insulting, spreading hate. So I think like this: "Is it fair to gatekeep those subpar submissions from the Workshop out of existence when Valve, who's in charge of quality control, isn't doing their job?" Even if they manage to gatekeep all subpar creators out of the Workshop, Valve still can pick sloppy cosmetics submitted back in 2007. It solves nothing. And Workshop creators, including you, start from somewhere subpar. Mediocre. They grow from healthy feedback and proper criticism, and some create bangers at the end. But people reacting overly sensationally towards the sentence 'Defending TF2's purity' seem to want to remove all the subpar submissions. This may discourage creators' fresh endeavors. I'm not saying criticism is evil. It's a necessity for the greater good. But what I've seen in Workshop recently were... More of a personal attack than criticism and feedback, so.

As a player since 2008 who took the account of my older cousin that stopped playing FPS games, TF2 was ASTRONOMICALLY different in community and vibe to what we have today. It was so much more warm, inviting, and fun back then when everything was new and voice chat in every match was common. Cradle that in with updates ALL the time, an ecstatic and excitable community of players, and none of the weirdos that inhabit the game nowadays and you got a grand A+ tier game that you literally could not stop playing for extended periods of time in fear you'd miss something like a major update or a community event. Weapons like the sandman were also usable (used to be my favourite Scout melee) and the game felt far more cartoonish and casual than it does today. I will always look back on old TF2 very fondly. Especially the old surf, trade, and achievement servers that used to be loaded.

Idk why people are so afraid to mention him or anything, but most of the stuff in this video is just what Zesty has been saying for quite some time, even though you put it in a calmer and non-aggressive way. I'm glad that more people and content creators start noticing and talking about this, that guy may be a bit of an hothead with a not-so-light vocabulary, and he often attacks groups he thinks responsible for the workshop "slop" (not new and beginning creators who don't know any better), but his passion about the game is real and the constructive criticism is also there. I wish more of tf2 content creators would get along (even if that's a bit impossible)

what's funny is that zesty said this like some months ago and then ppl are finally coming around to say hes right... but I'm a new player too, I only have 900 hrs on record and been playing since July 19th 2022. but I've been with this community since a couple months after blue moon. I've seen the player base fall to its lowest at the peaks of the bot crisis, I remember thinking I'm never gonna play this game because no ones gonna be on to play it, I'm glad to say that I'm dead wrong, but it really does feel like quality is degrading. it feels that the one guy they got on this game simply isn't up to the task so he just substitutes with whatever he can find off the workshoppe.

me skiping throught the sponser ship stopping at one part and hearing "my orphanage filled with victorian era kids" is very odd

9:05 legit me as well, like i normally complete all of it, with some time to spare with friends, could not get this one done, but would love to see contracts used more in maps or something for smissmas

That Summer blog post really messed up with our minds thinking Valve would continue caring for this game and it's possible future.

I don't remember which TF2 video this quote is from, but it really stuck with me. It went something like "Everyone loves to praise TF2 so much, to celebrate it's genius game design and brilliant artstyle, but when you are criticizing it for changing for the worse, those same people will call you toxic" or something like that.

9:02 yup, same. Couldn’t do it, got like 5 contracts done. Wtf am I supposed to valve? Play all the 40 something maps just 24/7 day in day out?? Did anyone beat all the contracts this time around period??? Halloween used to be the only reason I got back into TF2, now I can’t even play that too. Get it together, valve.

i think part of the reason TF2 and fighting games have been on my mind so much is that they both have organic origins for passion on players and they built stuff like competitive by the community, and that they are much more human experiences than the tipical team shooter with 7 figure prize pools. it's nice. that's it really. nice.

>Tf2 Video Essay > Looks Inside > Same points Zesty Jesus has been making for years Well, at least im glad you recognize the problems with TF2

I remember a comment on a, uh, certain video, that said something along the lines of "People never stop talking about how special tf2 is but will be angry at you for trying to protect what makes it special"

Wish more TF2tubers were more real with it's audience. Get off the meds and take off "the image" mask and be real for one second about this game and the state it's in. Preserving this game would be something that should be our best interest as of now, because of how modern gaming is. Sadly those players who come from those modern FPS games; they will think something like prophunt or zombie infection is good for tf2. Yes, those v-script gamemodes is effectively "content". But it's not content that fits the game. It's soulles, it's a shameless money grab. Would it kill TF2? No. But would it hurt of what TF2 effectively IS? Definitely. It would bring in more people that weren't interested in the game to begin with, that are just here for the wacky hats and gamemodes. And with that, more gamemodes would get in, more maps, effectively bloating the game to the point of where it dies under it's own weight, and those players will all leave when Fortnite 2 comes out. Gatekeeping is healthy for some games, and that is basically what TF2 needs at this point in time, since Valve couldn't care less about it.

As someone who is kind of a 'newcomer' to TF2 (played for the first time on 2018, but genuinely started playing at the beginning of 2021), this really got to me. I can relate to a lot of games I used to play when I was younger that suddenly fell off and became something different, not able to resemble any of the energy they once had. By just a couple of months of playing, I realized TF2 is a timeless masterpiece, and it's now one of my favorite games of all time, so seeing it get ignored by Valve (who has also crafted some other of my favorite games of all time) is like a spit on my face and a kick to the balls. As a community, we can only keep on pushing so the last remains of content this game gets are up to quality, and not some Prop Hunt shit that belongs on Gmod. TF2 will live one, because it's a hell of a game, and we can only try to keep up and pray someday, Valve listens.

I'm convinced Valve has become a glorified hobby shop where, if you're lucky and make connections with the right people, you're inducted into a rich boys and girls club. You get your salary and retirement taken care of, and you're free to play around with whatever in the presence of other prestigious geeks and enthusiasts. Steam is a mostly autonomous money printing machine, creating a little oasis utopia in the modern world where members need not worry about financial struggles their neighbours do. Valve is more like the Stonecutters as an organisation than anything else; if you're allowed to join, it's like winning the hedonistic lottery for hardware and software engineers. The gaming division of valve is merely a vestigial organ that no longer has much importance or relevance to the company. You interact with it as an employee mostly for stimulation. Looking to Valve for TF2 updates is like hoping for Amazon to go back to being a bookstore.

People’s entitlement to shut down any criticism is really worrying to me because it removes all the community discussion from the community. People want everything to be positive all the time because they keep making everything truly negative for themselves instead of just… being mature about any criticism even if harsh. Everyone should know that the world does not revolve around them, and that you should always consider what people have to say, unless they’re actually just not explaining themselves

Just a small point covered in your video but I do find it interesting how in recent years how aggressive younger fans have become toward older fans. This goes for a lot of games and setting, Warhammer 40k is currently facing a very similar issue to the one you outlined in this video. Older communities try and approach new fans saying "We are happy you are here. Here we have a set of minimum standards.We have these standards for the benefit of everyone." and then get attacked and accused of gatekeeping. Its really frustrating sometimes honestly. You don't want to keep people out, but when you invite them in they have zero respect for whats already been built and demand it change to meet their passing interest. Then they move on leaving whatever damage they cause behind and leaving some older fans so frustrated they become hostile to any future newcomers. Rant over.

TF2 has done plently of IP crossovers in the past, I find it odd to criticize other games for adopting similar concepts.

Agreed with most of the video. I think more people need to understand that the quality and quantity of the content matters. We don't need dozens of maps and cosmetics of wildly varying quality. Im glad Valve seems to be picking better stuff from the workshop, but they shouldnt add so much maps and only pick a handful of good ones otherwise it will end up doing more harm than good.

I refuse to believe that COD actually has some cringy 3-frame cat png "battlebuddy" with catchphrases that make the story writing of Borderlands 3 look like a Shakespearean novella. You have to be pulling me leg with this one thewhatshow man.

Watched the whole thing, and I agree on criticism. So let me give some out. People that like the newer wacky cosmetics are not just newer players. People that like the newer maps are not just newer players. You call peoples points reductive, yet you make reductive takes yourself by just broad brushing all people that like these things as "noobs". That is not the case and very disingenuous. I have played since 2013. I saw Star and Jerma at their peak, I saw memes like demopan, big slappy, and spycrab years before we got that garbage "gaming" meme trend (some of which made by literal sociopaths). I saw the spirit of the game alive in the comics exploring the wackiness of the game itself. I also admined for TF2 servers of various mods and vanilla gameplay for over 7 years before opening my own community up and trying my hand at content creation myself. I embraced the silly and invested 50 grand into this game. I got a golden pan, slapped a couple spells on it and then inherited the official golden pan group on steam. I decided to embrace the wacky and try my hand at a passion of mine, voice acting, I entertained countless servers with method acting and character acting using my loadouts, not unlike many a youtuber that makes a particular "set" their own personality. However the experience I got from the community in the 2020's and the experiance I had in the 2010s' is miles different. In the "good ol days" I would run into furries, bronies and weebs everywhere. Videos like bonkumiru (2014) Erectin' a River (2011) NightMen (2011) and the like were everywhere, and many, MANY of those songs were Touhou related, aka WEEB SHIT. Did anyone care? No. It gave the game more life than it had on its bare merits, it showed that two communities could come together and create something great. You could go on gamebanana (before the SV_Pure changes) and find all kinds of things like TF2 anime style class selection screens and the like. The magical mercenary was popular and it had the entire tf2 voice cast behind it talking about unicorn magic as an allegory for MLP, and hats like the head prize sold for hundreds of dollars (tho to be fair they still do the bare average for one of those hats is like 900 bucks). Nobody gave a shit about what was "CrInGe" as this game was MADE for people to be more casual and open about what they liked. TF2 never was some Call of Duty Nuke Town or Halo 2 Blood Gulch kinda game where toxic fatherless incel 14 year olds called you 200 slurs in 10 mins and gamers had to pretend that verbal abuse was "building character". TF2 was a place for all kinds of people to play a fun game in a friendly and chill setting. However, now? What do I, a vet with 13,414 hours get? I get to try to entertain the same way I did 4-5 years ago, and instead of praise or motivation to delve into content creation myself, I get stalked and harassed by the biggest pedo incel in TF2 short of MechaWreck. I get recorded drunk out of context and then stalked for half a year by the toadies of one Venusian Rapper. Just one of the many toxic inbreds that infested this game since the bot takeover. The artstyle changing with funny hats is not an issue, it literally is a non factor outside of those sets that mess up team recognition, the REAL issue despite boomers like Zesty throwing a hissy fit over change, is the bot crisis, the cheater crisis, and the toxicity crisis in TF2. The artstyle is subjective, the toxicity is objective. I have seen people with UK accents chased out of servers. I have seen women driven to tears for being girls. I have seen gay and trans people hurled with 40 mins of slurs for just existing. I have seen black guys harassed by people using soundboards to play the song "grand wizard man". None of these bad eggs existed on a grand scale back in the old days. If they did, the majority of "cringe" players, chased them off. Now those players left, and the toxic ones are the only ones that stuck around, mainly because they WANT to see the game die because at their core they are miserable losers and misery loves company. Oh and one more thing, gamemodes like prop hunt have existed since CS source in 2012 which then ported it to Garry's Mod, and then TF2. It is as ancient a gamemode as VSH. Zombies is also a old gamemode and can work just fine as zombie skins have existed for years at this point and wave 666 in mvm has used them for ages now. Both gamemodes would be great to see outside of niche community servers. If you went off about something like Slender Fortress that would be one thing, but those gamemodes can work fine in Valve official servers. Both are certainly better than "TF2 Soccer with Guns". TLDR Artstyle isnt a big deal, toxic shitters and cheaters/bots are the bigger issues we as a community need to focus on pushing out.

Great video, honestly. Whilst I can admit I'm more of a newer player compared to most boomers (I joined around the time Gun Mettle released), I can absolutely see why people think the way they do with the recent cosmetics, maps and gamemodes as of late. I was one of the people who originally defended Prop Hunt as a gamemode to be added, but looking back on it, I don't think I'd actually play it that much and I know it'd lose it's novelty quickly. I've gone on record saying that the community needs to chill out a bit, and I do still stand by it. Even if you see a cosmetic that you don't like on the workshop, instead of being an ass about it, people should just explain why they don't like it respectfully. Admittedly, I know nothing about making items themselves (I've made 1 actual item promo poster currently) but I know that it's difficult to make something good, especially if it's someone's first attempt at it. I really wished SaveTF2 went somewhere. We got a couple of things out of it, but the main problem still hasn't been fixed, which is really saddening. I originally planned to do a stream of me and some friends just playing on Wutville for a laugh, and literally every single server was infested with at least 3 bots on each team, making it damn near impossible to play, so we ended up moving onto playing 2Fort and Doublecross right before the new update launched. I still have copium that they'll eventually do something about it, but as of right now, no amount of items, maps, taunts, unusuals or game modes are going to fix the core underlying issue. Also, I'm seeing a lot of comments about how TF2 has had crossovers in the past, and yeah, that's true. The last official crossover items we got were the Disgaea PC items, which were released in 2016, over 7 years ago. Valve had stopped adding crossover items for years at this point so I don't really see that good of a reason to bring it up.

I've never understood gamersupps because it's literally just energy drinks but like either simp-ified or meme-ified.

For me I don't see #saveTF2 as a complete waste of time because on British and European servers there are almost 0 bots on them. 11:40

Didn't know you made Business Class. Good stuff. That being said, the fact Hot Rod isn't a warpaint makes me cry.

This video really just reminds me of a bad thought i occasionally have. "What happens if tf 2 shuts down or dies for good?" i know it sounds absurd but all things come to an end sometime, i just hope the current situation of the game improves and we get many more years with the game and characters we love. (im a really new fan but i still agree with what was said in the video and people are just way too sensitive these days)

I know this might seem out of place here, but a lot of what TheWhatShow has said in this vid can be brought across the entirety of the internet, it really seems that a lot of people nowadays really don't want to have a casual criticism type discussion, cause it really seems like if you disagree with people and give some pointers on something, they'll immediately shut down, be rude, and ignore you. It's honestly sad and upsetting to see this happening on lots of platforms, and I genuinely hate to say it, but I don't think that's ever going to change, this mentality of "I'm right so that means I'm good, and your wrong which means your bad" is very easy to adapt and use, and in which creates toxicity in a fandom or just the platform it's on.

Ya know I've always wondered if anyone else cared as much as Funke or Zesty did for the overall uniqueness of the game and The what yet again proved thier points. And he's not a coatrider or anything he's a guy like many who loves this game and he's doing somthing many people on the internet fear. . . The Simple truth and honesty that someone has for somthing. So can this community be honest with itself? if everyone just keeps treating other people who wanna preserve the game like villians?

There is someone whos working on a major bot detection and alert system

green olive 🫒 in the ice-cream metaphor is actually goated

The sheer fact I can't talk in the chat or make callouts without paying I feel is what killed the game for me. Every time I try to go back and remember I can't have fun without paying, I quit

TF2 is reaching the point where it's only really enjoyable in bursts and breaks. And even that's wearing off. A game of it's caliber can only last so long without meaningful content before getting stale.

14:00 - You can say it dude, we all know it's Zesty

Second comment: TF2 for me has one thing that has never changed: Teamwork, and life lessons. TF2 taught me that a team game is more than just the individual encounters unless it's 2Fort. It's about, you guessed it, teamwork. Being there when you're needed, being a credit to the team, and leading others onto their feet to becoming mad war dogs. The gameplay is what I feel won't change. But the style... Why...

Tf2 is a game that didn’t become a battle royale, a pay to get a powerful character, have weird collaborations, and mostly doesn’t have "those people" (child predators) Truly a Valve game moment

For those wondering, the unmentionable is in reference to another RU-vidr named Zesty Jesus

this was kind of like a wake up call. TF2 was one of those games I looked up to, and looked forward to getting. It's aesthetic was really cool. When I got it, it was great, and still is (this was around 2022, when the bot crisis somehow wasn't as bad). It's just the fact that Valve doesn't even bother making their own content anymore, although the community has made very good content. I personally believe that we either try the SaveTF2 thing again, or (maybe not the best idea), we do a peaceful protest near Valve HQ, where we dress up like TF2 characters, or other ignored game characters from other ignored games. Still, this may not be the _best_ idea, it may have Valve respond quicker. Just my opinion though.

It’s really amazing to see support for this dying platform to stay for years to come. Being on the game for about 8(ish) months or so, I really love the game. But this video spoke to me so much. I don’t understand why Valve thinks so little of us, where we are trying to keep the rotting beams in the cave held up until Valve will come and support those beams for us, but they really think keeping around servers is enough, and yearly community-made content for holidays is good enough. We haven’t had support for the game 100,000 people love in what is basically 6 years at this point, pushing rushed (again,) community made content to feed us into believing support from the devs will come soon. But, no. It seems day after day it’s only becoming more of a pipe dream rather than reality.

18:45 - "TF2 is one of the last great First Person Shooters untainted by modern day bullshit." I disagree. TF2 was among the first games to adopt lootbox-style monetization, which doesn't get enough flak. It also indulged in many promotional IP crossovers (Max's Severed Head, The Machina, Shred Alert, etc.) which you criticize other games for, yet do not hold TF2 to the same standard. And at the risk of invoking "Death of an Art Style", it did in fact dilute its coherent art direction with increasingly outlandish cosmetics and particle effects to get people to spend money. Comparing the live-service model of TF2 to those of OW and COD, the only fundamental difference is that the latter two are still actively supported by the developers, while the former isn't.

I know that none of you probably care but I would beg to differ. I got my first laptop on Christmas 2023 and immediately got TF2 I had been watching vids on it for so long and was very ready to play it and once i did it was amazing to this day I am getting new weapons and finding new strategies it has not lost its charm to newbies even though its devs have left, it truly is an amazing experience and I’m shure it was different back than but new players like me are still just learning and improving it is just the perfect game

I am glad to see someone non-controversial pushing for quality content in TF2 (poor Zesty)

feedback is incredibly useful for the improvement of workshop items. however, i really think it's worth emphasizing that there is an art to criticism - people are *hilariously* bad at giving feedback that is useful to creators, even when creators are receptive to criticism. there are plenty of times where all you get is "this is too detailed" or "make it look less shit." all this does is state your dissatisfaction with zero meaningful direction for the creator to try and work off of. creators can try to guess or intuit the critic's intent, but it's so much more helpful for critics to actually write what they specifically dislike about something, and it's even better if they can attempt to give you legitimate suggestions or ideas. you know, something like "this seems like its a bit noisy - can you try adjusting the contrast between the [x] and the [y]? or heavily simplify/remove the [z]?" or even "the colors look a bit weird, id suggest bringing the [a] closer to [b]." that isn't even getting into feedback that, even if specific, is legitimately nonsensical. as a personal example, i once got feedback on a war paint that read, "i think there should be a bit more wear on it."

I like how people comment before finishing the video. That including me.

I can’t even play tf2 now, my game lags too much 😢

TF2 is a relic of a different time, a relic of a different Valve. There really isn't a game LIKE TF2 anymore, and that's what makes it so interesting

Criticism is needed to keep the community in a healthy condition. Trying to keep criticism away will only divide and hurt the community rather than improve and strengthen the community. Criticism is needed, even harsh criticism

laughin at spy saying pornography isint limited to being a kid, thats a joy for all ages

That is why I like people like Zesty Jesus. He keeps TF2 art style in check and hold workshop creators accountable.

Fun fact this is the first time in Team Fortress 2 history where I didn’t even do my Halloween contracts. My love for Team Fortress 2 has died out. If this was old TF2 it would never die out but, I can only take so many years of bots and lack of updates. Team Fortress 2 is no longer Team Fortress 2.

Why is Zesty the "unmentionable" when you have the exact same views as him on TF2 1-to-1? This video is exactly the same views and points as his "A Distinctive Lack of Team Recognition" video. What did Zesty do that's so unredeemable to the point he's treated like Voldemort?

I think that a lot of this split comes from the fact that many new fans came into TF2 after the game stopped receiving regular updates and don’t know what things were like before. (Speaking from experience, I arrived post-Jungle Inferno myself.)

Funny you talk about modern games being colorful senory overloads when TF2 was that to the shooters of 2007 when it released. I remember old CoD heads calling TF2 a baby's shooter just because of the bright cartoony artstyle. And now that everyone's doing it TF2 is the 'more mature' game. I always find it interesting when people say a game has a 'soul', like its some static thing that never changes. That the devs that made TF2 back in 2007 aren't people and can't change their opinion on what makes TF2 what it is over 16 years of development. I majorly changed my opinions over a lot of stuff in just 5 years so I can imagine the rollercoaster the devs have had to go through, what with the behind-the-scenes dumpsterfire of updates like EoTL and Invasion as well as the up front dumpsterfire that was MYM. Most updates now are pretty much just community showcases; showing off workshop maps and items while Valve makes some money off of them. Zombie Invasion was rushed because official VSH was completely unprecedented and everyone scrambled to make their own once they figured out Valve was going to add community gamemodes. Simple as. I might be an asshole for saying this but I'm glad CS2 released in a dogshit state. The majority of CS 'players' were pseudo-crypto/NFT bros riding off the CS2 hype to drive skin sales to ridiculous heights. Now that CS2 released and sucks these players are leaving en-masse and skin prices are actually reasonable now for the average player. So whenever they do finish the game, the player economy will likely be in a much better state. This is going to come off really harsh, but I think you should quit TF2. Not permanently, but it's kind of clear to me playing TF2 has become an obligation rather than entertainment to you. Dabble in a few indie games maybe; not once in your rant about modern shooters did I see you talk about Battlebit Remastered, which is very much that old CoD feeling if you're okay with the Roblox graphics which was intentionally choosen so low end PCs can run it. It's not a massive game by any means; it's player numbers are lower than OW2's despite being hearlded as the savior of the FPS genre, but it scratches that old style game itch. Tells you how much gamers are actually interested in saving gaming when they won't support games that do it right LMAO.

this implies that he is fine with black olives in his ice cream

Totally agree with you on how every game is trying to be more kawaii and vibrant. I tried some halo infinite multiplayer, and there were Spartans with cat ears on their helmets. Uninstalled the game shortly after. I wish studios would learn that not everything has to be Overwatch or Fortnight

In this video: youtuber grows older, becomes more cynical, many such cases

15:30 One of the worst comparisons I've ever heard, and an even weaker excuse for not wanting to include Prop Hunt. In reality, those who oppose adding new stuff like Prop Hunt are like people who hate pineapple on pizza. Even though it doesn't really bother them and they can just ignore it, they still hate that pineapple could be a pizza topping and think it ruins the whole pizza.

Valve isn’t a videogame company anymore, it’s a hardware and software company.

What I'll say about the cosmetics and warpaints is that yeah, a lot of them are silly and wacky, and a lot are only getting sillier and wackier. I agree that we need some feedback and quality control to keep bad cosmetics out of the game. But also, I think it's important to consider that one of the ways cosmetics add to the fun of the game is by giving the players the freedom to choose what they want to look like. It can give a sense of uniqueness or identity to the players that want that. So if some cosmetics added to the game or thrown around the workshop are just a little on the silly side, I don't see as much of a problem with that, cause even if a few people don't like it, someone else probably does. As long as it's not disrupting gameplay (like the red team pyro example you showed) I don't see a problem with people dressing however they like in-game.

As a 2016 player... Idk I saw some comments starting like this and forgot what I wanted to write. Pls add Peter Griffin Fortnite Skibbidi Toilet Gyatt Rizzler as a VSH boss, would be hecking epic.

TF2 really turned into some kind of an asylum ever since they removed Madcap just to replace him with the Penis Scout subclass, and then revealed the Team Fortress 3 mercenaries in the comics to be none other but the fucking Chucklenuts. Although, I did cry when Saxton Hale said: "I am going to put a sounding rod into your skin coloured pants" to Zenith during their fight for the Globe of the Ancients

who knew a metaphor about green olives could go so hard

Tf2 DID change. Some classes got buffed to the point of unrecognisability, Pyro, Engy and to some extend Heavy(you'd be surprised how slow he was and how both class buffs and unlocks made him semi faster then his OG reincarnation) also Spy got buffed to some extend and nerfed in terms of unlocks. Some classes even got nerfed like Demoman(specifically his stickies, although his grenade launcher unlocks also got nerfed a ton) Some didn't get nerf despite deserving it(Sniper) Tf2 also got it's artstyle mostly intact but it may not stay that way if the slob cosmetics continue to be spewed out by community workshop. Also TF2 didn't avoid all trappings of modern games, after all TF2 didn't uses to have cosmetics unboxing, aka Valve added that predatory esque mechanic that many gamers despite. But despite all that, "it's still you"-Tf2 looks at itself So, so long as Tf2 community members like Zesty continue to protect Tf2 artstyle, we start to get balance changes for some weapons atleast once a year and VALVE FIXES BOTS, so long as we get stuff like that, I think we gonna make it bros, it's insane to think that such an old fps games can still live for so long, but I genuinely think we can have atleast decade of this game being alive if either Valve or Bots don't axe it. Ok, my comment over, feel free to add anything to my comment 😅

So true bestie (this video is very well thought out and accurately identifies the issues TF2 and its communities are having)

I agree 100 percent with you. It seems any actual criticism of anything related to tf2 anymore. I’ve been blocked called names and just ignored by the people who make content for the game. It seems like you can’t say anything anymore without being stereotyped by these people.

Wish we could turn back time, to the good ol days.

inst that what zesty jesus have been talking about?