TF2 - Thoughts on the Loose Cannon 

strengths: it fires in spurts

The Loose Cannon is also great for knocking people off of cliffs

I see why you dont use this. You can't get crispy pipes! Instead you get crispy balls!

Funny thing about the Demoman in general is that he likes neither long range nor short range encounters. He is an exclusively mid-range class, as his projectiles drop off and becoming awkward to aim at long ranges and he has a hard time hitting enemies and suffers too much splashback up close. This is no doubt well compensated by Demo's impression combat output, with effectively two primary weapons to his name.

1:08 direcTIT

It's not something I'd use all the time as Demo, even though you Cannon fact deal more damage if your timing is good enough, but I do use it sometimes when I just wanna let Loose.

I use it only on steel to defend E

Loose cannon is far and away the hardest primary for demo for a brand new player to pick up and get acquainted with and maybe even one of the hardest for a seasoned player. Its one of the most unique items gameplay wise in the entire game.

**Overload jumps with the loose cannon** Me: are you gonna pull out the claid and charge with the tide turner?

why does everyone have a Quack Canvassed Loose Canon? I have one, my friend has one, and now you!

4:22 Thanks to the privilege of living in the future, we now know that the loose cannon's projectile hitbox is of the same size as the base pipe. of the grenade launchers only the iron bomber has a bigger projectile hitbox

I think overall, while does deal less damage than the Stock Grenade Launcher, if you manage to hit a Double Donk then it can deal more damage than the Stock Grenade Launcher. And while the cannonballs don’t explode on contact it does have the benefit of dealing knockback which can be a very good for denying pushes. Basically, it’s the old Loch-n-Load but you have to time your shots to get that extra damage.

7:20 As someone whose been using nothing but the loose cannon for a few months, I'd actually argue the loose cannon is WORSE against heavies than the other grenade launchers. Yes, its theoretically easier to donk them, but you have to land 3 consecutive donks to kill them at full health, assuming they aren't overhealed. Its a lot easier to just pop a few pills into them without having to prime the cannon to get the donk. The situation is even worse if the heavy is at a closer range, because you'll need to charge longer, and the heavy will do more damage to you.

The 20% faster projectile speed stat is misleading and in reality, according to the video below, the projectile speed is slightly slower: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ACfafLuLmy8.html

"Such a great weapon to use." And such a pain to play against.

As someone who has spent roughly 30 hours on LC-TT-CM alone, allow me to say that it’s a really damn dangerous weapon when used right. You get free jumping ability (including double jumps otherwise impossible with the sticky launcher) Not to mention that it’s far more lethal when used properly over others, literally not giving light classes a chance to react, and even if they survive, the knock back is so high that they will likely be shot into the stratosphere. After my gameplay with the LC I tried picking up stock again and my pill aim was absurdly better than before - all because of the difficulty. Despite this, this is easily the weapon that owes itself to the most fun I’ve had in TF2. So, what’s the bad with it? Sentries. That’s it. Everything else can be played around. Double don’t knock back covers forward and backward dodges if you time it roughly at half charge. As for close range, change your mindset. Prediction is key for solving close range scinarios, and pre-charging is a good method. Or, of course, just spam. When I say the knock back is stupid, I mean it’s absolutely fucking stupid. As for reload timing issues, I’ve learned to time my shots based upon muscle memory *once the sound begins*. Trust me, audio is key here. It’s very helpful. If you are struggling with it, play 2fort and just people on the battlements. Not only is it addicting as hell, but it’s the way I learned and really I found that reducing the field in which the opponent moves is a good way to master the timing because it allows you to focus much more on it. Just my thoughts, from someone who uses the loose cannon obsessively. -FrGGNm

This is probably my favourite video of yours toofty, a lot of people struggle to understand this weapon. But yeah it is a side grade which is just as viable as the grenade launcher. Really awesome video :) *Bonus tip* It'll count as a double donk if the explosion is on the enemy under 0.5 seconds after dealing the first knock back damage

I don't think this weapon needs a damage buff, but maybe a -40% Self damage taken, to make jumping with it more viable? I think it could easily become a personal favorite if they did that.

The lack of increased projectile speed on the Loose Cannon isn't down to your imagination; the cannonballs really do travel at the same speed as Grenade Launcher pills Also, Pyros (Sometimes) pose even less of threat because more often than not, if you prime your shots to decrease the explosion countdown, you won't get hit by your own shot by the time the cannonball gets reflected and it might explode right in front of the Pyro's face at the same time for when he airblasts; not to mention the forced, erratic timing of your shots will likely throw him off The only absolute weaknesses of the Loose Cannon when wielded by a master are buildings and the lack of range, as Scouts/Snipers aren't much of a solid guarantee to stop this weapon either, as they will be one-shot by consistent Double-Donks (That and just the crowd-controlling knockback alone is why its banned in some leagues) Yes, this weapon can be an absolute MONSTER in the hands of adept players; it really is reminiscent of the once overpowered Loch-'N'-Load from way-back-when

11:33 darn

This was a really well made video, you touched on all the important points while introducing some really interesting concepts like jumping. Nicely done.

This format of videos is pretty cool, man. Keep it up! Gotta love the tutorial/thoughts videos

For a minute I actually thought this was a new upload of yours but it's actually two years old because of how well-made it was and your tone at the start towards showing weapons stats

Personally, one of my favourite uses for the Loose Cannon is to chain a jump with a shield charge, you go far as hell, especially with the Claidheamh Mòr

The loose cannon is like a primary Quickiebomb launcher. This was made by the unlocked-the-quickiebomb-launcher-before-the-loose-cannon gang

There aren't many things that make me as happy as hearing the Donk sound and yelling "DOBBOL DONK!" like a maniac.

Me in 2fort:equips loose can on and sticky jumper Sniper:chuckles i'm in danger

I love how that medic allows you to hit the sniper.

2:22 but pause and look at demo's face.

For close range, I use the LC to force distance before charging with the Targe and a Bottle.

Nothing feels better than double donking a heavy off the cliff

YES! CANNON JUMPING FTW :D Best loadout is Chargin’ Targe, eyelander and, of course, the loose cannon

Quick tip! You don’t always have to charge the cannonballs fully to jump. Releasing the cannonball right before it explodes puts some distance between you and the explosion, making a less damaging and more controllable blast jump!

I've tried improving my aim with the grenade launcher in pubs, but I couldn't hit the broadside of a barn when using stock. Through your experience, would you say the grenade launcher is still more viable for practicing, or should I use something like the iron bomber?

Late question How do you make the damage counter like that ?

Thank you for your entire dependable information, incentive together with guidance to help my experience to turning into more consciously understanding in addition to spiritually connected.

If you haven’t done it already I’d like to see a vid on the quickie bomb launcher

Way back when I used to run this for getting heads on my hybrid demo-knight. The pushback on the cannon opens targets up for easy charges, and the predictable rolling helps for zoning when running for a health kit.

Great comedic timing on that outro clip

If you get good with double donks and overload jumping, it's a direct upgrade. It does have a higher skill ceiling as you have to remember the timing and wait a bit for the damage. I prefer the loose cannon, but that's probably because I've practiced with it and I'm not used to the traditional style

Amazing with the splendid screen. You get crazy mobility with that close range damage from the shield as well as some damage resist so you can do the jump without taking as much damage.

I appreciate that last tip about moving back and forth.

Wouldnt the loose cannon work as a "Anti Scout" weapon? Taking from real weapon,s like the flak cannon, it explodes near the air craft hurting it, wouldnt that work with scouts to with the timed shots?

Is it possible to use it as a mobility tool and use a shield charge to bomb on enemies?

Thank you for saying how to counter this thing, towards and away the loose cannons.

I know I should be paying attention to the video but damn I cant find the music at 0:50 and I want to know what its called

0:15 ah so cancer is rewards timing and is the ultimate meme weapon primary for demo

Kinda my favorite Demoman weapon

I was watching this video while doing homework, but I didn’t get the homework so I kinda randomly fill in answers and everything was right so now I gonna watch tooth every time I have french homework:)

I use this as a sort of flak cannon because I can't hit pills. I'm learning the timing of the charge so I can land closer shots without having to actually get a direct hit.

I think loose cannon goes really well with a shield and the eyelander. Double donks deal enough damage to kill any non-overhealed enemy, minus heavy, with a mini-crit melee hit. Also, good scouts will be a headache almost as much as well-placed sentries.

Honestly if you want to train your use of loose cannon I recommend doing the classic 2fort sticky jump and harrass snipers, It helped train me to the the timing right and it's also kinda like sniper, while it's not always needed to get a headshot still try to if you are able since it allows to to get better timing for different ranges and situations. I actually love the loose cannon not as like the best demo weapon but more as a fun meme type weapon and I cant tell you the amout of times I saved my head being taken off by a demo night worh thing thing. It can completely halt a charge

I've used this weapon almost exclusively for the past month and fighting sentries is my favorite thing is when an engineer is hitting his sentry with his wrench just charge a shot and BAM he is dead and soon so will his sentry

The most fun way to use the Loose Cannon is as hybrid Demoknight. Gentlemen, get your pirate costumes!

Can I get the name of that music during 3:25?

work with sticky jumper me: laughs in explosive jumping

Hey toofty! I love your videos! Keep it up mate.

in my opinion, i love this weapon. i mean i got 100 kills in a day with it, with a lot of them being double donks. great video toofty, you always make some quality content! :D

Demo’Main’ and I love the loose Cannon. The advantage of course is the knockBack, it’s great to have as surprise close range push or opposite if you’re rushed from a corner and you get the spacing you need to either switch out for stickes, or melee with a shield. If double sinks aren’t reliable for you, the knockBack is the best counter to make room moving forward down choke points.

0:10 the pyro complaining about the only primary weapon that isnt directly countered by pyro? hmm....

change I would make to loose cannon. Nothing, but I would change shields in a way that pretty much only buffs loose cannon. Extending the blast resistance of shields to cover self damage would make hybrid-knight jumping with the cannon much more viable, which is good because it is so much fun.

imo this is the best hybridknight launchet because trimping works really well with attacking opponents

I like it that you can time the explosions

I love when I encounter annoying snipers while using this weapon because the feeling of overload jumping followed by a charge with the tide turner so you land next to them as you proceed to knock them into the stratosphere is one of the coolest things you can do in tf2

"Cancer weapon."

I have used the Loose Cannon for years and the one thing that piss me off the most was the nerf to it speed. It killed the range and the trajectory of the projectile. If they can fix these then, I think the Loose Cannon will be perfect. Sidenote: Not many know it but is used to ok at taking out sentries because the previous impact damage of 60 couple that with the explosive damage of 60 and you can 2- shot a sentry from a distance. It still decent at doing that but since as the impact 50 and the engie can heal for "60" it can't really compete with the healing anymore.

5:26 that read was fucking amazing

1:56 Lmaooo why tf was that sugar cane flying

The reason the loose cannons balls fly faster is because TF2 has a cmplex progectile system that considers wieght and air resistance for size and rotation, which the loose cannon has the heavyest and biggest pills in the game. Ie.the loch in load fly even faster than it says it does because the pills dont tumble. And the iron bomber flys less distance because if its shape.

bonus for using loose cannon its good for killing the engineer behind the sentry because the projectile goes through the sentry because it didnt explode in impact

Scottish Resistance with the Loose Cannon can make for a terrifying combo. You can bully people away from the choke while your stickies are arming, bully people who get too close to you BACK into one of your previously setup traps, bully people with both a line of donk cannons from the ideal distance and stickies armed from a similar distance (1.5 for Scottish to be ready, 1 for an uncharged cannon). It's just bullying, frankly.

I like the Double Donks and the heightened mobility but I despise being juggled around by the knockback.

The projectile speed is effectively slower than stock bc of how Source calculates drag on the large cannonballs. Similar to how while the locknload fires the same projectile as stock, it goes more than 20% further as it doesn't spin in the air.

My thoughts on the Loose Cannon are that it needs to mini-crit when airblasted. Airblasting it and actually not having it explode in your face anyway is hard enough due to the fuse mechanic, so it's really disappointing that even if you double-donk a demo with his own projectile, it does about 40 damage. It's great for fucking with pyros because Valve forgot to do that.

Loose Cannon can be awesome for stopping/denying ubers trying to enter through a choke point. And it is just a lot of fun in general, I love to use it even if I do worse with it.

You can use it like the beggars doing midair blast jumps if you watch solarlight trimping

fun fact: do to the games physics the cannon ball is actually as fast or even a bit slower than the stocks pipes.

What's the music at 5:12?

the only tip I would suggest is to " Aim at groups" This provides two benefits. It seperates the group, pushing them in multiple directions, but also helps obtain more damage per shot. while a simple pipe does large damage to clusters, a cannonball will scatter them, putting only one or two of them in the medic's reach.

What I like about the loose cannon is when a scunt is chasing me, and I just turn around and instantly kill them.

its really ez to play with the iron bomber and loch n load but i hate the explosion range reduction if they remove that stat and put some other nurf not including damage ill be a demo not soldier main

IIRC when the ball hit the head it's not that they doesn't get knock-back, they are kinda stunned for a very short time, like the airblast used to do

0:03 video started and Im already impressed

shouldve included donk damage for the loose cannon. I think it CAN be a better nade launcher than stock, the only thing holding it back is that the charge time isn't actually a full gradient bar, but multiple steps on said bar that it doesnt show.

Me:n00b with the stock granade launcher Also me: a god with the loose cannon

I gotten so used on how the loseconon and I forgotten how the other launcher work

LOL THE ENDING And yeah cool side grade, but stickybomb launcher comes first 😎

His coconut gun, It fires in spurts, if he hits ya, it’s gonna hurt.

Loose cannon, sticky jumper, caber The ultimate meme that somehow is actually pretty effective

I see the Loose Cannon overall a straight upgrade for me, I'm garbage at direct aiming but feel at home with the timing mechanic. I also tend to go hybrid (to your dismay) with the targe which gives me resistance for cannon jumping.

Ah the donking of heavies is music to my ears

It is a really fun weapon and can be effective. Also, I found out that Loose Cannon jumping is very similar to overloaded Beggar's bazooka jumping.

12:28 "let me know what the F you want me to talk about...?"

dam that hit at 5:28 was smooth

I play medic and hybrid knight so this is my favorite because you get easy and crazy huge jumps with the tide turner

whats the music at 5:12

I just unlock it, any tips?

lmao toofty we have the same quack canvassed loose cannon

I find it can't combo as well with demomans other weapons as well, as a demoknight you don't want to be hitting people away from you, and if you are sticky trapping you'll be knocking them out of your own traps, and saving them. If you're using the stock sticky bomblauncher, well lets face it, *that* is basically your primary. But I like your idea of using it with the sticky jumper, think I'll give it a shot.

Idk why but the second I got it I started doing really good with it. However, here are days sometimes where I don’t do so well with it and just start using the grenade launcher again but it’s the funnest weapon to me to use.