TF2 - Dealing with Snipers 

Remember if you taunt after killing a sniper it actually lowers their intelligence by 90%

Countering snipers : - Be a f2p. - They cant predict where you are going when you yourself don't even know what you are doing.

10:40 *has crits* *uses jarate*

how to deal with sniper? sticky jumper and a pan

"As a spy you could use your Ambassador." Those were the days...

"try to avoid jumping at snipers" Soundsmith tf2: how about no

One of the absolute best things to do when you realize you're being targeted by a Sniper is to *LOOK STRAIGHT UP AND TURN SLIGHTLY TO THE RIGHT* This is because all of the classes are right-handed while also outstretching their left arm with their primary weapons and most secondary ones (Minus the Spy); by doing this technique, their *left arm* will be covering their face within the world and it has been proven that bullets (And arrows) will hit their arm and it will count as a bodyshot! However, don't try this with Melee weapons; doesn't work as well Although this technique doesn't always work, it has saved my life so many times, it's unbelievable!

I can't believe StickMaster500 is not in comment section yet

Say it with me everybody: Sniper NO sniping Sniper NO sniping

“DON’T JUMP!” Literally a second after “Okay so let’s jump into the main juicy tips.”

What? My favourite uncle and my favourite drunk demolition man uploaded in the same day? What is this black magic? Also, how to deal with snipers, you ask? Demopan them. That's my solution. If that isn't in the video, I'll be sad :c

getting close to sniper? HAH! i use smg all the time so I'm safe from close range combat. *dies by 2 demoknight

Sniper main here to counter snipers: be unpredictable

As a medic whenever I'm left alone without any teammates near me and there's an enemy sniper I proceed to press every single key on my keyboard out of desperation. Works 90% of the time.

As a sniper main I wish they'd remove sniper

Another reason you don't jump is that snipers aim for your head (duh). And when you jump, that head spot is kinda taken by your body. So even if you DO jump unpredictably and they don't account for it, they'll still hit a bodyshot - if fully charged, this can still kill most light classes.

HiGPS has a few videos where he explains the little dance. It is actually quite effective and in some cases it can block your head hitbox completely.

As a sniper main I find it very hard to hit some new players cause they sometimes move so randomly and they have no idea what they are doing. Like some of them just move in a straight line and they just stop out of nowhere. But if you don’t wanna get killed by a sniper just don’t jump. It’s so easy to predict your movement if you jump and if you shoot a sniper from time to time while he’s scoping with like a shotgun of something the scope like flinches (not sure if that’s how you pronaunce it but you’ll prob. get the point) so that’s kinda annoying. So yeah, I’m not sure if writing this comment was worth it but there you have it.

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1:35 “What’s going on inside his head?” My mans birdwatching, let him do it in peace like damn vro.

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Dealing with snipers Step 1: learn how to trolldier Step 2: market garden the sniper you dealing with it Step 3:profit

"No jumping" "okay so let's jump into some of the main, juicy tips now'

Countering snipers: -avoid snipers that have more than 2 brain cells -go for the ones that either unbind/ignore (Right click|was|headset and or completely blind) That's all I have but I guarantee you'll never get headshot again

A nice melee combat tip is when your facing a normal melee. You wiggle back and forth and when they swing back up to stay just out of their reach and hit an in the face. Now against a demoknight its slightly different woth their longer range. I win most demoknight v demoknight battles by stepping to the left or right when they swing and when i swing doing this I flick my aim to the left or right depending on where they are at. Almost guaranteeing a hit for me and a miss for them. Its an easy trick to learn and can be applied to all melee fights.

Answer: You don't

as a sniper main I should say pressing every key in your keyboard is Very effective but now in 2020 some of us are so good that we don't miss any shots manly those that have some numbers or bot in their name but you know they are not cheating they are just good at the game

3:55 "When I'm just PANicking"

How to deal with sniper's: Step 1: Leave

moving your aim left and right in addition to moving your character left and right only helps if you are playing a character that's leaning forwards since his head is farther forwards than his player rotate pivit point (his spine) so looking around physically moves his head hitbox (works well if you are playing as soldier , demo , puro , engi and scout but it disorientated you a bit)

As a medic main, it is my god given duty to jump around like a madman

4:07 being unpredictable is one of rare cases in TF2 so, good job mate.

That wiggle you do is a nightmare, Not only is your movement path unpredictable but you're moving your head hitbox at the same time

the head spinning can throw us off as your head hitbox moves as you look around

Sniper is the hardest class to balance. Since he has the most consistent long range dps, a map has to be aware of the class in order to be fun to play. An example of a map that is sniper friendly is Upward but one that is very unfriendly is Junction. All other classes are incredibly easy to balance for comparatively

As a sniper main here is how to beat us: 1.) Do not watch for laser sights. 2.) Stand still as much as possible. 3.) Walk in predictable patterns. 4.) Do not shoot at Snipers. 5.) Do not spam crouch when facing one. 6.) Stand afk in sightlines as much as possible. 7.) Do not tell your teammates about us if you lack long range.

To go along with what you said about chip damaging Snipers to get them to sort of back off, you can do that as Engineer with the Wrangler to shoot from beyond its normal range. That'll get Snipers a bit nervous, and you can use the Sentry's shield to take their shots.

I'm not a sniper main but I know that looking around helps against headshots, because of the non simetric player model of the head is not in the center and is always moved a little from the center, most obvious example is scout. Even if he doesn't wiggle and only moves his camera, his heads position changes a lot.

Aiming high with pipes can sometimes land a decent kill on Snipers. Usually at least one connects with the immobile target and the surrounding rollers can kill the Sniper, but it typically requires you to really lead a shot upwards to account for the drop.

Love the World's Most Oblivious 2Fort Pyrovision Gibus Sniper ™ at the end.

0:47 Redstone engineer gone relaxing himself lol

The crusader's crossbow is also very very good for clearing sightlines. Any competent sniper will immediately rush to spawn or a health pack when they get smacked with a wopping 75 damage, and the oblivious ones just give you a free kill.

with the air dance, it's actually really helpful if the enemy sniper only knows how to aim with prediction, because if they think that you're going to move a certain way and then you move a different way, they try to snap their aim and miss, giving you an opportunity to get up close

8:21 I didn’t know demo could market garden

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Toofty : "Dont jump" Toofty 5 seconds later : "Lets jump into the next tip!"

I tend to top off my health so I can peak for longer times or have more to go on should I be ambushed. Remaining un scope for periods of time helps with watching out for bomber. It's also really fun to bait enemies that chase you into a sentry nest.

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When you're doing the "unpredictable" movements, avoid jumping/falling small heights. Kinda like when you're trying to airshot people, there's only one general direction you can flick your mouse- down. When you jump a sniper and he backs off to get cover, don't generally follow him (don't follow when he's in the front line or at their backlines. Usually follow him when he's at backlines) Because when he gets cover, he knows where your head is going to be in the next 5 seconds if you're not careful. I've seen so many clips and the hardest of the headshots to achieve is when you are NOT facing the sniper doing spiky movements. I've seen b4nny avoid snipers by JUMPING (yes, bit contradicting to what i say BUT-) he strafes immediately to the sides. Stop doing the A D A D A D movement because sniper will shoot between the 2 positions and hit them without any efforts. I personally like to c-tap whenever i see a competent sniper (can hit headshots but not godly headshots) but i don't know if it works or not. *And never fucking counter a sniper by also playing as sniper*

Countering sniper: Dont leave spawn. Sniper is a class balanced around the fact that he can instantly kill anything in any range instantly with no counters other than the invincibility of Stock Ubercharge so you should abuse his weakness of being unable to kill players who conga in spawn away from the doors as much as possible. If you're having trouble doing this it may help to simply press the power button on your computer as it'll make you invulnerable to snipers until you press it again.

Good work

1:09 With a yin, there is always a yang. -i don't know if this is a quote

the thing with looking around helps if you are falling down from a platform or something high because it changes the head hitbox also crouch

I can't remember which video it was, but someone had a clip of them trying to snipe a fully rev'd up Heavy... who, right before the shot, looked straight up, meaning his hand was in front of his head and blocked the headshot. "I have outsmarted bullet!"

2:30 that’s such a good idea. How has no one thought of that?

I may not be a Sniper main, but he is one of my most-played classes, and the best tips I can give are 1: Be as unpredictable to the Sniper as possible. Move around crazy, move your mouse, hell you could stop moving entirely and it'll throw off their aim. 2: Recoil is a Sniper's worst enemy. Even 1 point of chip damage will completely ruin their shot. Fire especially is devastating

So, that dance thing. Yesterday, they had a REALLY good sniper, or mediocre, anyways, I and did that little dance thing you showed us about I was wiggling back and forth like a worm.

On the looking wiggle, it actually does make it harder to hit your head. Not by much, but it helps.

7:46 Clearly you haven't played against super serious, very pro snipers who will always headshot you close range, no matter what you do. No but seriously, 90% of snipers will scope in point blank and they will headshot you, no questions asked.

toofty , you have helped so much because as a demoman main myself I hated it when I was in the snipers range all the time in 2fort. But with the advice of stickey snipe I now can make them run away Thanks man

I like watching these "dealing with" videos because I want to be just a little bit better at and more informed about 1v1 situations with demoman. What's really funny about this video is that my second least played class is demo and my least played is, you guessed it, sniper.

says don't jump okay lets jump into some of the main juicy tips now

another good tip when fighting (usually) casual snipers and sometimes even spies: psychological warfare. taunting, smacktalk, and general whittling down of their ego tends to make it more difficult for people to hit their shots.

When you wiggle around and move you mouse a bunch it actually helps a lot because the hit boxes of demo man and most of the classes kind of lean forward so when you wiggle the mouse there’s a good chance that you hide some of your head hit box behind the body. Don’t know why I’m sharing this it annoys me so much when that happens but hey there it is.

By the way, dancing around really helps. I myself being a Sniper Main, i can say this because i myself use that technique, principally on Huntsman/Sniper Rifle duels, because the hitbox really mess up, another technique is spamming ctrl in the air. That really fucks the hitbox.

Ya, looking around as you move can be a great way of throwing off our aim. Especially if you don't quite look at where you are going.

@4:00 as a sniper main i can say, doing this is A distracting B makes us falsely think your moveing somewhere else, due to where your looking but most of all C whilst its not really shifting your hitbox, it shifts your head, which in turn makes us shift to try and match, its difficult to clock on that the hitbox hasnt really moved, due to us not seeing. whilst that strategy isnt the be all and end all, a decent sniper can counter it, but non the less it makes the job harder

Im a sniper main and ppl need to start using these, great vid Also the wiggle dance helps makes harder to hit ur head

Dealing with snipers: Dont, you aren't gonna do shit unless you are another sniper

2:54 that poor soldier who needed the health pack.

Sniper: uses the classic Toofty: ...

With most classes, demo too, spastically looking around can easily avoid headshots. Some classes can even use their hand when calling a medic to make a headshot count as bodyshot.

With the huntsman, a vital tip is to stay out of mid-ranged fights, where the weapon is the strongest. It's easier to dodge at longer ranges, and in melee it can still kill you but it will take time for them to fully charge the shot and hopefully by then you will be able to finish them off.

One of my little tricks in the open as any slower class (Demo/Soldier/Heavy) is to never really stop looking around and jumping. Makes your hitbox go all over the place. Also, if you jump, hit crouch right after to mess with the Sniper's shot. All of these classes can survive a fully-charged bodyshot, so don't worry.

1:53 That interaction felt nice :3

That dance you do probably does help you not get headshot. The head hit box is strange sometimes, ESPECIALLY if someone has their back to you

The thumbnail is pure definition of art!

some of these tips work for snipers too just whit the diference that they need to get out the cover

as a scout you need to trick the sniper into thinking that youre going somewhere toward him but then switch

the wiggle thing is true, good snipers usually aim for the head, but that movement makes it har to hit so they will probably just try to bodyshot you.

Im a Sniper Main and the dance you do can throw new-advanced players off but pros, forget about it. Im an advanced sniper, and they throw me off sometimes but, the dances i have encountet was more "Look down and spin as a mad man" Hope this helps on your question BTW love your vids ;D

One time I was playing scout on Turbine and I ran up to a sniper who was scoped in, and I stood next to him for a couple moments before I shot him, and the knock back from my Force a Nature sent him so far, the fall damage finished him off

A good sniper is going for headshots, so that little wiggle you do when you're spotted will definately mess up even the best of snipers since the small head movements you're doing are visible and are hard to track and will give you the chance to leave

Another thing you can do is look directly down as it messes with your head hit box, combine that with crouch and you can duck a shot (just be careful you don't do that to long or you'll be an easy shot)

Yes that wiggle helps. Sometimes when you move your head around you can clip a part of the model that isn't the head. Like headshotting pyros from behind feels impossible to me! That's why if you see a medic doing some crazy dancing seizure, probably means they saw a sniper dot or something lol

4:15 as a sniper main i can tell you this helps and it doesn't, let me explai. so there two types of snipers that we will be focusing on, one with snipers to understand sniping it's most basic forum which is just aiming at the head physically on the model and then there are the snipers who understand how hitboxes work and most likely are able to pull off Flicks. the first one I mentioned would be fooled by that little dance you do and try to track your model's head, the second one KNOWS that the dance doesn't actually change the head hitbox and kill you anyway.

You should take in mind about the classic sniper, they can keep there charge without scoping in, so they know when your coming

That ending was hilarious

That sticky bomb launcher is dope. Just wanted to say that.

As someone who plays Sniper a lot, I guess it's fair to throw in my two cents too. Getting in melee range as listed has its benefits and drawbacks. Paranoid snipers routinely check around them constantly and those worth their salt try not to tunnel vision themselves for more than a few seconds, and have ears that can detect the slightest sound of movement or better yet, a spy uncloaking. Clever snipers under pressure often have an available escape route and/or a reactionary plan in case of X. X being like a Scout or Pyro in their face. Like say a corner a Sniper being bugged by a Scout and his scattergun where there's a quick corner to round about to get out of being shot, it's likely he's just waiting by that corner with his melee weapon out and he's bound to score a random crit here and there as many people give chase to a sniper thinking they're absolutely defenseless when someone is in their face. But like with Medics, there's many options for a more experienced player in such situation that one mustn't get too over zealous or cocky. Also, beware the snapshots. Even if they're fairly close, but not taking damage in that one specific second, there's a very real possibility they'll pull off a headshot which the 150 damage spells instant doom to just about everyone. Taking that 150 often forces their assailant to flee less the next bodyshot finishes them off for everyone that lives the headshot and is not a heavy. This skill develops in perhaps the countless sniper duels that infest casual on the aftermentioned sniper friendly maps where getting quick headshots in with ninja reflexes. Wiggling helps as they try to line up the headshot and confuses their 6th sense of predicting where you will be, along with looking in random directions. Until they give up and resort to a bodyshot, but even if you take the full 150 or 173 (if from Machina) and live, you'll probably be out of their line of sight. And yes, just keep pressure on them in general. If they can't setup to snipe or scope down their gun for even a second without eating a grenade or rocket, then you can't get headshotted. But don't get too cocky - you may mulch through casual snipers a dime a dozen and get the drop on more experienced ones, but there will be that one guy who's a living aimbot that's polite, efficient, and got a plan to kill everyone he/she meets.

4:30 avoid jumping around ok let's jump into tge next point me: *confused screaming*

This should really be called is 'TF2 - Dealing with Snipers as Demo man'.

Medic: *exists* Portable dispenser: Darn

TooftyTV Pro tip:If u see a sniper in a sightline like in 11:20 if you need ammo and u dont want to peek trough the corner shoot the sticky infront of the ammo box and detonate it :D

wonderful tips! Preety useful!

That little wiggle movement is incredibly offputting for Snipers. I've experienced it a few times, but I just go for a bodyshot if the head isn't an option. Love the vid, keep up the good work!

The body move like look randomly works because u can move your head wich can save u

4:04 in those situations i just jump around or down something while having an actual seizure, it works

I will swing my mouse crazily and jump around when i got into sniper sightlines,also i fire at ground and call out random voicelines when jumping (some voiceline will raise your hand,most voice command from the “c” button will raise your hand)

If youre going to jump, then allow it to reach the arc and then go in the opposite direction