Update, these visas have been approved and are now live. The DTV visa is a 5 year, multi entry visa, and it’s true that you have to leave the country once a year, but you don’t need to re-apply. Going out and back in again (visa run) is enough. You enter, you get 6 months, then You can extend in country for another 6 months (at immigration for 1900 THB). After that 1 year is over, you leave and can come back in the next day and the cycle repeats. You only apply for the visa once every 5 years, not each year. (Confirmed by the Thai Authorities 100%). The cost of the visa is 10,000 THB (~280 USD), and you can apply in person at any Thai Embassy or Consulate or Online, but only outside of Thailand. This visa cannot be obtained locally.
These visas don't exist.. you can't apply for them until they do, if they ever get officially approved. Next week, we will hear many more speculations. Your embassy is the best way to know what's fact.
Exactly they make announcements but does not mean everyone knows about or the systems in place, Some jump the gun and become disappointed when they did not get the 60 day you might get away with showing the article at immigration but that comes down to luck. And yes the Embassy is the best place might be slower to change but at least you have the latest information.
@3:05, I would be careful about discussing tax. If you extend the visa, and stay more than 180 days, you are a tax resident of Thailand. Unlike the LTR visas, which have an explicit tax exemption, this does not appear to.
Even if you do stay over 180 days, if you are just doing online work or whatever (i.e. not working for a thai company) most likely as Keis said you still don't have to pay tax in Thailand because of tax treaties Thailand has with most countries (that means you can pay tax in your home country, it doesn't mean you don't pay tax at all).
@@calky360Sounds logical, but you will have to do the paperwork. And since every country has different timeframes you might not get your Tax Assessment from your country untill End of Match 2025 to send IT to Thai Tax Office
@@calky360 That's actually not entirely true. After 180 days, you are legally a Thai tax resident. Even assuming you owe no Thai tax that year, you still have to file and prove you do not owe taxes which is an additional burden. That said, if you make an income "doing online work or whatever", any assets repatriated into Thailand must be reported on your taxes. Those taxes generally can be excluded from any assessed taxes in your home country. With tax brackets being relatively high in Thailand, it's very possible you could be paying more in taxes. Whether or not the Thai Tax Authority has the capacity to enforce any of this is an entirely different issue altogether, though.
when I was reading about this the most interesting part that I saw was that you can sign up for cooking classes to qualify for that DNT visa.. that is really cool and something I think would actually be fun and easy to do..
I just entered and of course still only 30 day stamp. I asked immigration direct question about the changes that were advertised. He said still no approval from govt and he had no forecast of when.
Booked my ticket about 6 weeks ago before the news. I fly in July 26th so hopefully the 60 day is done by then. Can’t wait to be back and see what low season is like for the first time. The goal is 2029 to be retired and living abroad. I’m way ahead of most people. I don’t wanna wait til I’m in my 50-60’s to retire. Wanna be young enough to enjoy it. Live like you’re broke if you wanna be rich. Every spare $5 I’m throwing into my stock accounts
Nice info! Those visa agents may be enticing for those who do not have 500K as some of those agents offer documentation showing 500K in a bank even if you don't actually have it. I have heard of this for the retiree visa.
Got a border bounce tomorrow, not holding my breathe on the 60 day visa exempt being applied yet. Wouldn't be surprised if it won't be for a couple more months.
I arrived from Da Nang last week and received a 60 day Visa on arrival, I'm Aussie by the way and spend most of my time in Thailand and Vietnam for visa runs.
Do you know if you can do the 60 days in Thailand and then shoot back to Vietnam and come back to Thailand and get another 60 days ? ( I guess what I’m asking is how many 60 day visa exemptions are you allowed per year )… thank you !
@@johnmellyn2700 I'm not sure, I was stamped a 60 day visa on arrival on the 19th June until Aug, then I'll do a visa run again somewhere and see what happens.
@@johnmellyn2700it seems that you can do just 1 visa run per natural year so no more than 60+60 days in Thailand per natural year. In the precedent 30 days visa on arrival, if you return by land, you only had 15 days authorized, so beware if this also apply on this new Visa on Arrival.
Yeah that part confuses me, because on the Thailand consulate page it says you are not required to pay tax, I put a screenshot on the screen 🤷♂️ Also unless you are getting paid into a Thai bank (which you wouldn’t) then how can they monitor your taxable income?
Maybe they are thinking that you will leave within 180 days and not come back that tax year? But as others say it could all change tomorrow.....Amazing Thailand 😃
@@keisoneit is not ‘how can they monitor’ …..if you are deemed tax resident then you will be required to file a tax return and ‘declare’ as appropriate within that return.
Besides the requirements for the DTV, the benefit of taking this option is that you dont have to live in Bangkok, Phuket, Pattaya or Krabi as you have to do with an ED Visa. It gives you freedom of living anywhere in Thailand, and if it has a multi-entry benefit, that will take it to the next level.
Hi mate.....I've just returned from Thailand....When my GF retires....she's a Pharmacist in Surin....our plan is 180 days and 185 in AUS....simple as that...enjoy
I'd want to know if the 180 count resets if you leave and come back or if it's like the Schengen area where it's a hard set limit on the number of days per year.
I've got two months left till I arrive. I guess I'll just have to go straight to an agent in Jomtien when I get there. You're right about those condo prices! Searching around on a scooter seems the best way to find one. Greedy farangs on FB etc 😂 😂
Ok sorry Kies but a lot of what you said is completely wrong. Firstly the DTV as announced will be becoming law in September not June, it will then need to be published in the Royal Gazette which can take up to 3 months so realistically December is the likely beginning for it. Secondly as announced the DTV is a multi entry visa which lasts for 5 years with one entry per year on each entry it gives you a stay of up to 180 days with one possible extension of 180 days giving you a stay of a total of 360 per calendar year. As for tax if you stay for 180 days out of each year then you will be tax exempt however, if you extend to 360 days then you will NOT, repeat NOT be tax exempt. The 60 day visa free entry was announced on June 1 but no date was given as to when it will begin. Many assumptions have been made about when however the follow up statement said that because of the changes in which countries have access to it, it will require legislative changes. This means changes to the law and listing in the Royal Gazette, as I said earlier this takes up to 3 months. So it could be next month but most likely it will happen in September.
I think for visa exemption (from 30 days to 60 days) it will mean far fewer border runs, if you plan to stay in Thailand for less then half a year (to avoid tax reliability) purely as a tourist. You either get 60 days visa exemption + border run + border run (6 months) or get 60 days visa exemption + extension (?) + border run (5 months / 6 months). We have not heard anything about if the 60 days visa exemption can be extended and for how long (1 month, 2 months ?) I assume this will be possible, but i do hope this will get cleared up as well.
If they give at least a 1 or 2 month extension after the 60 days that will be great. It will minimize the border runs to max 1 per year. Get out of Thailand after 90 days, spend time in Vietnam/Cambodia etc. and get back after 185 days or so - to keep time spent in Thailand within 180 days.
@@markseymour8365for Thailand it is Not enforceable probably, but many other countries enforce it atm... The question is is Thailand willing to spend/use all the resources on doing it in the future. Atm i Heard there is No decision by Parliament on what exactly will be Taxed, so in my Not a lawyer pov i think they will Not enforce this atm
@@ayebo15 It's not enforceable in any country because no government has the resources or ability to check every citizens bank account and compare it with their tax returns. Or certainly none that I've lived in. Also, if you are earning from overseas, you can simply keep your money outside of the country.
Thanks for this video! We get there on the 1st, we'll have to go for a skate and film once we get settled. What are the link you talked about to see what condo prices should be?
One thing though not official is how the 500000 thb will be enforced, will you need a Thai bank account which is almost impossible to open unless you have a long term visa and transfer to it and show proof or will it be your home countries bank? Also how many digital nomads have aud $20000 being 500000 avail to sit in an account? Too many questions as mentioned for now
All of the other visa's that require this deposit require it to be in a Thai account. And yes opening a bank account outside of Phuket without a B or O visa is a major PITA. One thing to note each branch has discretion on if they open an account or not, even with my O visa I went through 4 branches before one would open an account.
How would this apply to content creators like RU-vidrs? Would they be considered remote workers or digital nomads even if we don't actually have a foreign employer? Or would the fact that our channel being registered in a country outside of Thailand qualify us for digital nomad status and our channel is kind of a business in itself?
RU-vid is a super grey area, they dinged a Korean content creator that was publishing negative reviews for tax issues. If you are making RU-vid videos here you have to be super carful, read the laws on filming in public and if you are hear for over 180 days register for taxes. You could be here for years and never have a problem but that does not make it legal.
Regarding housing the U.S. should learn from Bangkok on building more skyscrapers or larger buildings to help accommodate more housing options. Single family homes are great but not everyone desires that and they take up much more land. We in the west build so slowly which is why we never have enough housing.
Yeh right, greatest con ever foisted on people in huge countries like america etc, you need to all live in tiny boxes while the rich live on huge properties...yeh right!! How about NOT following asia and rolling back all the corruption of the last 2 decades at least and return the west to the way it used to be, houses were not investments they were places to live, wages not in the toilet etc etc
I can understand that agents takes 20.000 THB for the visa, because you need to show 500.000 Bath in your accound to get the visa. If you don't have that available, like living on a month to month paycheck, then you need to borrow those money, and that's where the agents get in. They borrow you 500.000 THB for a fixed sum, in order for you to show the money on the visa application. That means some bank fees, some intrest rates for a fixed period of time, and so forth. So if the agent "overcharge" you 10.000 Bath he only maked 3000 bath, and that's not insane amount. There are many on retirement visa that have lended the money from an visa agent and pay a fix sum of money every month in order to keep the money in that bank for their visa. But the best is if you have the money in a high intrest bank account in your home coutry and use those money so show your consulate those 500.000 THB in order to get the visa :)
This is incredibly helpful feedback, I have guaranteed monthly inflow that would be over 500,000 during time I would be on DTV … how could I find an agent company that does this for retirement visa - that is loan the money - even if no access to - that is trustworthy?
60 days visa on arrival instead of 30 days dont seem to demand anything from you other than booking the ticket. But i guess you meant the digital nomad visa, and yes that seems little bit more complicated.
try doing a marriage or retirement visa yourself lol, this visa seems simple. When I got my O visa 1 year extension there were 4 documents they wanted that were not listed on any official forms. Even something as simple as the 90 day registration is a gong show, the online system has worked 1 of the times times I did it last year and twice they asked for unrelated documents. Last time i went we brought the same documents as the time before and the woman said "why are you bringing these, they have nothing to do with the 90 day reporting" Where the time before were sent away to print them (had as pdf on the phone). You haven't experienced frustration until you have had a few years of dealing with Thai immigration. It is slightly better than when i worked here in the 2000's though.
It really is confusing. If it happens, it will be good for many people. 500k may eliminate some but it's doable for many. I'm just lucky enough to have the LTR, takes away many headaches.
The DTV isn't designed for folks who do a bit of day trading, flog protein shakes online and do a few yoga videos out of CM, it is for those who have a Fortune 500 job that can they work remotely and have the funds to commute back to base as required....hence the 180day duration to avoid a tax liability in Thailand....it is to maximise the adage earn in the West and spend in the East, being Thailand.....
Everything is always rolled out and then they wait for feedback, it happens all the time, it hasn't been explained well and no one is sure of what it actually is. As most of the feedback has been negative I wouldn't be surprised if it just fades away and is never heard of again. 60day is the best thing that was mentioned. At the moment its not much different to the multiple entry visas that you used to get. The agents will be able to show you have the required amounts of money in the bank, thats what the extra fees will be for.
This is yet another interpretation of the rules. Even the government information documentation is contradictory. The way I see it, you can stay for up to 180 out of every year in Thailand. One of this give years, you can stay for 360 days. Most other people on the net are saying it's 360 days total over a 5 year period. This doesn't make sense as you can stay longer on the existing visa.
The Thai government is yet to provide details on the 500,000 baht, some say it's money in the bank, others are saying it's income. But what's really unclear is if it's required for each 6 months or is it yearly if it's income, or for each visa and renewal if it's 6 months.
It is worded the same as it is for retirement and marriage visa, It would be safe to assume it is the same policy they already have in place this requires you to have the money in a Thai savings account for a set period before the visa is issued and at every renewal.
It's unfortunate that Thailand is being left in the proverbial dust by the rest of the world with Visas. The hitch on DTV thai visa is income requirement 80,000 usd annual. Even Switzerland now 90 day visa free entry. Bahamas is king with remote student visa 12 months. And of course no income tax. Plus blazing internet. I hope Thailand can relax and open the door. 🎉
@@johnmellyn2700 if that were the case, id have no problem but unfortunately, the ones i met were only out to promote scams to other nomads or participants in a circle jerk of "how great are we?" meetups. simply some of the worst, sadly.
So, sounds like it is an expensive one year visa. What's the point for sojourners who aren't working in Thailand in any fashion? If the visa on arrival starts, and remains at 60 days, that is good enough for me. I want to go to elsewhere in the region every few months anyway. Ultimately though, your video and others are speculative in nature. Why make predictions and commentary prematurely and on 'shifting ground'?
Okay so the only concern/question I have is: On the DTV, you're allowed to stay for a maximum of 180 days per calendar year, after which you have to leave for the remaining 180 days and then only entre the next year for another 180 days for 5 consecutive years. Is this correct? So it's also a kind of a multiple entry visa that spans over 5 years. I stand possibly corrected.
Read the snap shot at 1.02 again. It says it is valid to be used up to 5 years from being issued. It says it can be extended one time for 180 days. It also says it does NOT allow any DN to stay in Thailand for 5 years. So once you leave Thailand the visa is cancelled. Will you then be able to apply for a new one every year well clarification is needed on that.
There is something I didn’t get it yet , what if I stayed for 180 days then went out for a month or 2 .. can i back to Thailand again in the same year and get 180 days .. or i have to leave the country for 6 months to back again? Please clarify that
Was enforcing the 180 days to become Tax-able announced in the Royal Gazette (yet)? If Not they can Not Tax people staying over 180 days in Thailand, right?
It says "Period of stay: 180 days", "1 time extension maximum 180 days", and: "Validity 5 years (Multiple entry)". So yes it´s multiple entry and NO you dont need a new one every year for 10K baht. You extend it after 180 days, then after a year you do a "Visa-run" across a border and apply for 180 days, then extend for 180 days, Visa-run and so on, until you've done that for 5 years. Then you can renew it for another 5 years for 10K baht.. Really not that difficult to understand?? (Yeah, last bit is ironical, for those who don´t know Thailand haha).
I want to come to Thailand as a tourist but if I like it, can I apply for a long term visa, A travel agent here in the uk just told me that Ive got to go to the Thai embassey in London, is this true.
No it’s not. You can convert a tourist visa or visa-exempt entry to a non-imm ‘o’ visa when you are here. However, you might need to pay an agent to help you, depending on your location in Thailand and your financial status. Oh and don't mention it: you're welcome.
Instead of creating simple regulations for foreigners that promote Thailand's economy, there is only a totally complicated system with high costs, bureaucracy and all possible pitfalls. The embassies do not yet know anything about the so-called new visa rules.
@@paradise-adventures Yes but our countries make it easier for Thais to stay long-term and gain citizenship. Also there’s no social security net for me to abuse in Thailand but there is one in my home country, for immigrants to abuse.
That DTV visa is good for someone who already has a remote job outside of Thailand and wants to come work from Thailand for 180 days and then head back home. Hopefully they don't make the requirements too stringent, such as proof of salary etc.. Since some people might want to use it to work and chill in Thailand for a few months, spend their savings and then head back home and work again. I wouldn't trust that visa to try to stay multiple years in Thailand and renew it every years. Clearly it wasn't designed for that. There is no one size fits all for taxes, but for most people if you stay more than 180 days in Thailand you will be a tax resident of Thailand and will have to declare/pay income taxes here no matter where your business is located and where the income is earned. (Tax may not be that high after non double taxation agreement and depending where you land in the tax brackets etc..) If you decide to declare it or not and how it will be enforced is another story... I vaguely heard that they (Thai revenue department) should be able to tax you even if you don't request a TIN but I don't really see how... Well Thailand stuff, lets wait and see and by then it will have changed again 😂😂😂
So now use passport within visa can stay Thailand 30 or 60 days ? Last month news say can stay 60 days but many people say now still only can stay 30 😮
I done a run last week to the chong chom boarder crossing to Cambodia.. my brother in law actually works for the military on this border so I know most of them.. they told me probably early next year it’ll start haha in other words who knows 😂
The lump sum amounts (500k for the DTV, 400K for marriage, 800k retirement) need to be in one of the selected Thai banks and need to be there for a certain amount of time before you can process the visa. IIRC 3 months in the account (I leave my 400k in all the time but i could withdraw it and redeposit it to match the time requirements if i really wanted to, when i do my renewals)
If you’re coming from USA you could go online and get a 60 day tourist visa for $40.00 , but act quickly because it could take a couple weeks to process,… once your there if you wanted to stay over the 60 days for another 30 days you’d have to stop by an immigration office and get a 30 extension for 1900 baht ( about $60.00 )
Can you also negotiate for one month rentals? I was quoted 25k for one month for a unit in a condo in Sukhumvit. What would be a reasonable counter offer? How far do you think i could get them to come down in price?
@@method341 what is the main difference between condo and apartment in Bangkok - I mean for someone doing short term rental? I know there are certain differences where ownership is concerned
@@Chris-dw6cu condos are just more upscale and usually have one bedroom with a kitchen. Apartments are usually a bit more basic and many are studios with no kitchen. Condos usually have security and more parking (but also more people you have to share with)
I love Thailand but the Philippines has Thailand beat hands down on being able to stay. You can stay 3 years without any special Visa or anything just keep extending leave for one day come back start all over for 3 years again if you want unlimited. No money having to be put in a bank or anything
But who in their right mind wants to live in the Pi??? They have to make the visa there attractive otherwise no one would go. Went to the PI for the first time recently… let’s just say I’ll never ever go back. What a trashy country.
@@finwest I like Thailand better I went to both places but I'm not going to lie I really enjoyed the Philippines plus I have a friend that's a little older than me that might be getting a place in Baguio city which is a higher elevation it's like a lot cooler than anywhere else in the country. Then again a lot of people go to time because they're into the party saying I don't do the party scene or the places that have all the bars in the foreigners. When I was in Thailand I went way up North about an hour from Chiang Rai. It's okay I'm going back this year but I will tell you even though Tyler has them be on most everything besides the Visa situation that's a huge deal if you don't have thousands of dollars in a bank or have money coming in online it's a huge deal to be able to go somewhere and stay for 3 years if you want and keep doing it over and over without limits. A lot of people will say the thing the Philippines beats it at is culture being similar as far as religion or language. To me the biggest thing that I liked about the Philippines was and I don't care what the reasons is you're treated like a rockstar like know where I've been in the world. People in Thailand are very nice but they don't just walk up to you oh where are you from oh you have blue eyes and then just totally freaking making you feel like you're special. Probably ulterior reasons but either way I've never been anywhere in the world where people are just excited that there's an American and wants to talk to you. Especially in the province where there is no foreigners everybody comes up to you trying to talk to you and just like infatuated with American movies American music and everything about American. In Thailand the lady I stayed with she doesn't even know who Elvis is or any famous movie or anything to do with America
@@finwest and there are thousands upon thousands of foreigners living in the Philippines because of it being so easy to stay there and I would think also it's a little bit cheaper because the countries more poor than Thailand. So your dollar goes further I think it's almost 60 pesos for the dollar most speak English and you're just treated more like a rockstar than you'll ever be treated in Thailand
What's the reason for Thailand being so strick on visas. Times have changed and it isn't just a country for men to enjoy "wink wink" now there are families moving over and digital nomads. Never really understood their obsession with making it difficult to live there.😂
Just don't live for more than 180 days or you will be taxed on your world wide income. They want you to leave and come back that way travel and tourism will keep up and running.
with the constant VISA changes at significantly higher costs, health insurance, increased flight cost, food, drink and entertainment price increases, constant air pollution,, temperatures and humidity, traffic chaos , unfit polluted and litter strewn beaches.( Pattaya and Phi Phi ) Thailand is not a good travel value opportunity any longer !!
@@brianhind9961 I’ve lived here since 2003 and to say that there are constant visa changes is simply untrue. They change from time to time but it’s been a very long time since any serious material changes were made to the requirements for non-imm ‘o’ visas based on marriage/retirement (it’s no more humid than it was 20 years ago, I don’t live near the sea, don’t have health insurance and don’t bother flying anywhere all that often so none of those factors affect me really).
