That and That: 2022 Olympic Games Pairs Recap with Elena Betchke and Closing Thoughts (Sui and Han)

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The 2022 Olympic Games concluded with a stunning competition among the top pairs. Sui and Han claimed the gold, Tarasova and Morozov earned silver, and Mishina and Galliamov won the bronze. It was a strong field from top to bottom, with notable performances by Boikova and Kozlovskii, Knierim and Frazier, Miura and Kihara, and Cain and LeDuc. Elena Betchke joins us to break down the event on the latest edition of 'This and That'! Plus, our closing thoughts!
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@kbpbasteboys4632 2 года назад

I Love Sui Han forever! By winning gold, they are now the only pair to have won all major internstional events both in junior and senior level: 3 junior Worlds, 2 junior Grand Prix Final, 2 World Championships, 1 Grand Prix Final, 6 4CC,and one Olympic gold. GRAND SLAM OF FIGURE SKATING!

@Essylte 2 года назад

EXACTLY! I don't know why this wasn't mentioned in the video. Now Sui/Han are part of the ranks of the elite, like Hanyu and Kim Yuna! So proud of them!! 🤩😍☺💯

@BrentWolgamott 2 года назад

The thing I love about Elena Betchke is that when you give her a prompt, she gives you an essay answer. Sprinkled with humor, insights, experience. You ask her a question and you get a 4-5 minute answer. I love podcasts/shows like this. ❤️❤️

@grisgris6908 2 года назад

Pairs was so satisfying after that dark, dark ladies event. Alexa and Brandon turning up and turning out, the Japanese pair continuing their ascent (and loved Bruno telling them to take in the moment), Ashley and Timothy looking stronger than ever even with the mistakes in the long, and the pairs masterclass given by the top four teams. Bravo!

@AlisonLam 2 года назад

I agree! This ended up being my favourite event surprisingly. Normally my fave is ice dance and men's. But this pairs event was so well skated and everyone EARNED their spots. The top medalists truly competed. So exciting! I was also so overcome with joy for the Japanese pair. His elation as the program continued was infectious and I was so amazed that even while they were in their emotions, they didn't put a foot wrong.

@LifeofDayy 2 года назад

Pairs was absolutely the palate cleanser I needed after a week of figure skating chaos.

@user-iw5ou5yo6u 2 года назад

I love how much Elena admires and loves Tamara Moskvina, this made me smile multiple times throughout the video

@TheSkatingLesson 2 года назад

❤️❤️

@Rachel-rs7jn 2 года назад

For me Sui and Han's win was the highlight of the whole Olympics, because I love them so much and also because we needed that joy after everything else that had unfolded. (And I was also happy for the other two pairs on the podium - they all skated so well and I think the placements were correct.)

@PeiwenTanbassoon821 2 года назад

Pair being the last figure skating event is the best decision! Definitely the most enjoyable not only from the amazing skaters with amazing olympic moments but also the least bias judging.

@iamsoverybored878 2 года назад

All the judging was good for the most part accept in ladies.

@kak7440 2 года назад

Agreed!!!

@trylogic4084 2 года назад

Yeah, we learned that the host country can decide the order of the disciplines. I thought it was unique that they had the short and long programs of each discipline only one day apart, instead of having the short program for every discipline first and then starting on the long programs. They opted to put those last for obvious reasons. It's they're pride and joy.

@l0vu95 2 года назад

The pairs Events were everything. I was amazed by Tarasova and Morozov they were able (finally) to deliver with little to no error. But the highlight really was for me when Sui and Han knew they got the gold. I cried with them. It was really emotional. Thank you both of you for everything you've done. To give us as always amazing content

@patrickneedham3363 2 года назад

I was of course glad to see Sui/Han go out on top. But I'm happy for T/M. I've waiting so long to see them finally come through and had almost given up hope. But they are by far the most interesting and elegant of the Russian pairs. I was really glad they finally have their moment. It felt like they had paid the dues and deserved it before their career is done.

@1chienandalou 2 года назад

Finally T/M being clean in both was awesome. I cried with S/H too!

@janisseraneses4823 2 года назад

"After watching pairs, I felt that I still love skating." YES YES YES 100% I cried tears of joy for Sui/Han as I've been a long-time follower of their skating. I'm also pleasantly surprised that Tarasova/Morosov were able to skate 2 clean programs for the most part (as Elena said, fans almost expect them not to skate clean). And I love the Japanese pair Miura/Kihara, very happy people and nice solid elements! My favorite coach at the pairs event is Bruno, the way he focused on the positives and told the Japanese to enjoy the moment. And Tamara ofc always professional with her skaters at the KnC. I agree with Jonathan that it felt like Mishina/Galliamov were cautious even at the end of the long program and I thought it might be because of the fluke fall in the team event. All season long, I've thought that their programs didn't match their style; "we are the champions" was a better fit in my opinion.

@1chienandalou 2 года назад

I agree with all your points :)

@kelly9876 2 года назад

I agree with Dave about the pairs helping me remember why I love skating. Great to see Nathan win and Jason Brown do so well, but Hanyu stressed me out. The Russian ice dancers were over scored, and the ladies were obviously a mess - so I was feeling done. So nice to have an event that was well performed and fairly scored, and to have moments of real beauty and art.

@rop888 2 года назад

I'm not used to one redemption arc working out, but to have three in one Olympics? Amazing. So happy for Nathan, P/C and S/H. The Olympics were fantastic if you can ignore the existence of the women's event and Eteri drama. Though the women's event has always been a hot mess so for me it's not that hard to do. Now it's time for the pain of retirement announcements!

@trylogic4084 2 года назад

I'm eager to hear them, too, but we shouldn't get too excited. There are some who have already announced, but there will be people who are planning on never competing again but refuse to come right out and say that they are retiring from competition. I believe Virtue and Moir did that, and I think Weaver/Poje did it, too. They say that if skaters announced their retirement from competition, that some fans won't like it and won't go and see them in shows. I remember seeing a lot of upset regarding Virtue and Moir's final announcement after their second show tour. Lots of people angry and saying that they wouldn't have gone to see them had they known. They had some crazy fans, though, like that huge group of people who really thought that they had a romantic relationship and really wanted them to get married and ride off into the sunset together. The ones I've heard are H/D are retiring, and therefore S/D as well, because Madi and Adrian are going to get married next year and she wants to live by her family in Michigan, so I'm assuming she wouldn't be be thrilled if Adrian wanted to live in Montreal and train for more competing. Olivia said that she won't seek another partner because it takes too long to gel, which is sad because she's only 24. C/B said they will not retire, nor will H/B. I'm pretty sure P/C will retire. The top German pair skaters said they are retiring. I'm pretty sure that Nathan is retiring from competition, because I know he's going back to school in August. He said that, and I can't see him going through the hassle of the long-distance coaching situation again. When he was on social media talking about whether or not he would go to Yale, a lot of people didn't like the idea because it would take him away from Raf, but to quote him, "I can't skate forever". Anything is possible, but I can't see him wanting to be a coach after going to an Ivy League school. Know of any others?

@skaterboy-cz9wj 2 года назад

True to a point. I just felt the media and support was all these skaters but especially in pairs S/H should not have been seen as clear winners. Because of popularity of China's SH they won't get the backlash of Adelina. But if the Russians were more popular and perhaps had one clear team at the top well we might have the public out pour of love for T and M and whining and screaming of unfairness and outrage that Yuna received. Like Yuna and adelina T and M were clean and China did the harder move quad but also made an error like Adelina. But I am not that upset s/h won just as I could say why Yuna lost.

@kelseyfay1 2 года назад

Olivia said on TSL that they may stay around for a year or two.

@Essylte 2 года назад

@@skaterboy-cz9wj Sui/Han won rightfully without country bias, unlike Sotnikova, whose many mistakes like edge calls and unwarranted high GOEs went unchecked. Also, Sui/Han were clear contenders for gold in both their Olympic games. They've beaten top competitors before and were able to win in other countries other than their own, winning the respect and love of all those who watch them, even their opponents. Also, Sui/Han know how to make a comeback after injury without the excuse of blaming it on injury. They've achieved the Super Grand Slam as well.

@svetlanak1043 2 года назад

@lemons I was extremely happy with the 3 redemptions! All so deserving.

@MO-rl6pz 2 года назад

Elena, you are an amazing guest: respectful and so positive even about negative things. Such a pleasure to watch!

@TheSkatingLesson 2 года назад

❤️❤️

@skatefan9495 2 года назад

I also thought Mishina and Galliamov lacked a little power and speed. They skated very cautiously. I say this as someone who loved them at Worlds last year. But also, my heart was with Sui and Han.

@maximamaxima8718 2 года назад

Да, очень правильно написано. Это же говорили и все российские комментаторы и специалисты.

@mi2-c035 2 года назад

I think they were great and maybe a little underscored at these Olympics compared to other competitions. The throw flip was a little tight and that was the only slight glitch (less noticeable than S/H botched salchow), but Sui / Han had the home advantage.

@maximamaxima8718 2 года назад

@@mi2-c035 добавьте к сказанному и уникальный тодес, который никто больше не делает :)

@thewaitisogre 2 года назад

VERY cautiously. i was surprised. i guess they were afraid to repeat the mistake from the team event.

@1chienandalou 2 года назад

@@mi2-c035 home advantage? No such thing except perhaps some cheering from the small crowd. They were ranked 3rd by several judges and their PCS was not maxed unlike T/M. But we’ll done for the latter, they deserved🥈. M/G we’re slow and tentative, also I hope they improve in the future to add to their technical strengths.

@linaria17 2 года назад

Thank you for inviting Elena! She was such a breath of fresh air and injected a sense of humanity into the crazy affairs of the past few weeks. And hopefully Dave can sleep a little easier with the drama a little less public now that the Olympics are over 😛

@timcarwinski8142 2 года назад

Sui/Han made this Olympics three for three for redemption narratives!

@iamsoverybored878 2 года назад

You can add Anna there were people out there that thought after nationals that she didn't deserve to go. Plus she has had a very inconsistent season until these Olympics. She was also and is nursing a injury.

@MrChaseBlue 2 года назад

@@iamsoverybored878 people are mainly talking about redemption narratives from the previous Olympics. Anna doesn’t count

@user-iw5ou5yo6u 2 года назад

The redemption arcs for Nathan, Papadakis/Cizeron and Sui/Han, wow! The Olympics can bring justice once in a while. When I watched the pairs event, I remembered how you said in the preview that the Olympics rarely go as planned and not everyone can turn silver into gold, and it’s so amazing that P/C and S/H could.

@zb6070 2 года назад

and h/d

@user-iw5ou5yo6u 2 года назад

@@zb6070 Yes! And Tarasova/Morozov as well

@trylogic4084 2 года назад

@@zb6070 Yes, both programs were fabulous! They made me a believer in that rhythm dance because I did not like it at first. At all. But they slayed. The judges are allowing them high enough scores now that if they skate perfectly and S/K make mistakes, S/K can be beaten.

@trylogic4084 2 года назад

@@user-iw5ou5yo6u I was so happy for them. Just watching their joy when their program ended was rewarding.

@Q_from_Star_Trek 2 года назад

Actually, other than Anna's gold, that's how this Olympiad looked, as a redemption...and I'm not talking just figure skating...

@oceanle 2 года назад

Anyone who didn’t cry over Sui/Han doesn’t know Pairs Skating.

@olgaavdeeva6686 2 года назад

I didn’t, I cried for TM. For me TM is THE best pair team. With SH height and body build they are just not the same level. I’m fine with SH winning but it could have gone either way. I think TM should have got higher GOE for their lifts.

@dawnbaswell1853 2 года назад

Tm was not the best pair and there not in the same league with past Russian Olympic champions

@mellonxo 2 года назад

@@olgaavdeeva6686 I agree with you, I thought that this program was made too make us feel but I didn't. TM brought more emotion out of me because it's like they were in character and performed.

@toxic-low-key-ghost7934 2 года назад

@@olgaavdeeva6686 yes T/M lifts are the best and have the best positions but speed is one thing that the Chinese have over them. Vladimir slows down quite a bit on the lifts, where as the Chinese man is so fast even on the lift, the commentator I watched pointed it out as well. There’s a big difference in the lift speed which is why I think they got higher GOE

@1chienandalou 2 года назад

Sui and Han have no comparison in the current pairs and I am so glad they won. And yes I cried. Tarasova and Morozov surprised me since I don’t know how long it’s been since they skated two clean programs; well deserved silver.

@MyKombucha 2 года назад

Exactly the guest I wished for! I love how sharp Elena Bechke is, that she loves skating, watches it and references other skaters from other disciplines to explain her point. She is a concentrate of insights. Her Russian perspective keeps it real and can help balance opinions on any radical thinking. Thank you thank you!

@eliciakoay6598 2 года назад

I have no background knowledge abt the pair skaters, and only watched the free skate. When Sui/Han came on, they had me tearing - the performance was so captivating and they had so much chemistry together. Well-deserved gold!

@1chienandalou 2 года назад

To me no question. Shouldn’t even have been a worry that they may not win gold. Alas, scoring can be all kinds of wonky. Fortunately this time podium was how I thought it should be.

@ChristieLily35 2 года назад

I'm not always a pairs fan (idk why, I'm just not), but this event had me on the edge of my seat. When Sui had that mistake on the Salchow actually yelled "No!!" It was the event I needed. Thankfully it was the last one of these games. I think we all needed a palate cleaner after the ladies

@Essylte 2 года назад

Me too! I was so anxious to see the mistake on the 3S. However, Sui/Han did enough to get 1st place, and I was jumping up and down with joy for them! All Olympic medallists earned their spots, the right ones, rightfully (even if I suspect that not all of the elements of the ROC pairs were clean).

@yohanes2034 2 года назад

My heart fell when she landed forward on that 3S and I felt that she was a bit shut off after the mistake. I think after she landed the thr 3F, she came alive again and be reminded that the fight is not over.

@RED-cy7ig 2 года назад

The pair event was such a better event after watching that awful Ladies competition. This was such a close field. Much like the 2018 pairs competition mistakes could not be made. Any mistake could have put them off the podium. Unfortunately Boikova & Koslovskii experienced this with the throw. Nice to hear her perspective.

@Ale_ER 2 года назад

I feel like I couldn’t stop crying for the whole event. The Spanish doing phenomenal first outing, Miura/Kihara having the skate of their lives, Tarasova/Morosov going clean for the first time in almost ever and Sui/Han winning 🥇 Such an amazing event from beginning to end

@TheSkatingLesson 2 года назад

❤️

@susanfield3680 2 года назад

My sentiments exactly!!

@katrinastack5245 2 года назад

I am usually not a fan of pairs skating, but I found it to be perhaps the most exciting of these Olympics. Great skates by so many people.

@echopetrun 2 года назад

I keep thinking about the contrast between the Russian women and Alyssa Liu, who pre-Olympics was maybe not in the best head space. But at the Games, she seemed DELIGHTED throughout. No expectations, performed well, had fun, mentored by the other skaters. And then the misery of the Eteri camp. Being the favorite is tough. The favorite after a positive doping test and allowed to skate -- unimaginable. But it wasn't just Valieva, it was all three of those young women who were traumatized and clearly abused. I'm glad they ended on the pairs myself. And so glad that Sui and Han took the gold. They skated their hearts out, while the other tops teams seemed much more restrained.

@1chienandalou 2 года назад

I was so surprised about Alyssa. She was so slow and low this season and then seemed in a weird head space indeed esp after the coaching change. I never bought her “having fun” thing; her constant smiley face felt fake to me and it is my belief at least sometimes it was. At the Olympics though she skated her best and had an ease about it and her smile didn’t seem pasted on. I agree it wasn’t just Valieva, who should never have been pushed to skate known she’d been doped. It put extreme pressure on the whole ladies event. All three Russian girls revealed effects of the abuse they were under in their own different ways and that is still upsetting to me.

@KingJasonSlots 2 года назад

I could listen to Elena all day and night. Thanks for another amazing episode!

@Constantin9va 2 года назад

Elena Betchke is my favorite guest on TSL. I find her perspective to be very valuable.

@maria375s 2 года назад

Thank you for such great content these past two weeks, loved watching the Olympics with TSL!

@MrChaseBlue 2 года назад

Thank you TSL and Dave for all of your content and hard work this week! You guys make the Olympics even more if a fun time. :)

@ronandhermy 2 года назад

Dave crossing himself when Elena mentioned Eteri as a pairs couch was all of us!

@joannm.1756 2 года назад

💯

@orlandofurioso2034 2 года назад

Dave is typical Eteri-hater

@1chienandalou 2 года назад

@@orlandofurioso2034 well the world is full of atypical Eteri haters too now after what we saw of those abused teenage girls.

@orlandofurioso2034 2 года назад

@@1chienandalou in which way abused?

@dedmatters 2 года назад

I literally laughed out loud when Dave crossed himself when the guest said eteri is available?! But also, same, Dave, same.

@suzannefraser4966 2 года назад

Thanks for all your unbelievable work during the Olympics! I do not know how you guys manage to get it all done but it has been a wonderful addition to the last few weeks.

@will74lsn 2 года назад

Beyond the 4Twist3, it was particularly smart from Sui and Han to go for the FoDs which gave them some important extra points (SH = 6.65; TM = 5.32; MG = 4.80). Surely, they did a much better job this time than in 2018 in terms of strategy. They could have actually gone for a side by side 2S.

@benbailey159bb 2 года назад

Yeah it was the death spiral and the 4Tw that gave it them.

@bekalynn1980 2 года назад

I@@benbailey159bb perfect vtiming photo is pp pi The p and poyes power p get popular person g in pipe for Russia po probably o and vgc po pp p how

@oceanle 2 года назад

I’m surprised they don’t scrap the 3S and go for the 2A

@yohanes2034 2 года назад

@@oceanle at this point I wonder if they can do other jump besides 3T, id 2A is more consistent why not. S/H clearly have other things they excel. Like along their 15 years of illustrous career I can count how many she landed that 3S

@corgeousgeorge 2 года назад

I really like Elena, lovely thoughts and her love of Tamara Moskvina is so charming to hear.

@TheSkatingLesson 2 года назад

❤️❤️

@iosebdzamukashvili5360 2 года назад

The quad twist of Sui and Han looked like a triple cuz it looked super easy.

@TheSkatingLesson 2 года назад

💯

@colleenshaughnessy7081 2 года назад

You guys are the BOMB. Great work these last couple of weeks. I've hung on every word, and Elena was truly the cherry on top of the sundae!

@TheSkatingLesson 2 года назад

❤️❤️❤️

@Sisterfifi 2 года назад

The pairs were my favourite of the whole Olympics. Thrilling in both the short and long programs and so little margin between the top teams.

@janechoy2073 2 года назад

Pairs event was the saving grace to this whole figure skating chapter of the Olympics. No scandals, no (glaring) cheating from judges, no meltdowns, no underage participants. I'm happy for the podium finishers! I hope this isn't yet the end of the issues brought to light by the doping investigations

@fotomagrol 2 года назад

Thankkk youuu The Skating Lesson for all the work in this olympics, you are amazing.

@megseggz 2 года назад

Thank you for all the hard work you put into your Olympics coverage! I'm excited to watch this now!

@paulonlee 2 года назад

I love Elena’s insightful explanations and discussions. Thank you David and Jonathan for inviting her to your program! Enjoyed it very much!

@barbkarolina8162 2 года назад

I was that vhs kid driving my family crazy with the figure skating recording. I even tried to time the recording as not to leave the commercials for the perfect re-viewing experience. Thanks for reminding us of that Dave and Jonathan. I know you will keep following the Eteri angle, Dave. In the meantime just sending you guys my love from all of us who love this sport. And thanks for bringing Elena who has a different perspective!

@iamsoverybored878 2 года назад

I usually was the go to when it came to taping movies from TV and editing out the ads. There were some I was proud of.

@1chienandalou 2 года назад

Me too. Except it was Beta for me (based on where I grew up). Now I am in the US those tapes are a long time back and far away. So I’m glad Dave posts a lot of old programs on here.

@topicdel 2 года назад

Your closing thoughts were very insightful. Thank you for all of your hard work in covering this very difficult situation.

@rebekahquinley8093 2 года назад

The pairs event was so exciting. So many excellent programs and a gold for Sui and Han. I figured the pressure of turning silver to gold at home might be too much.

@bonniedavidson3639 2 года назад

Bravo and standing ovation for your coverage of these events.

@TheSkatingLesson 2 года назад

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@riceboi2004 2 года назад

As a long time viewer of the channel, I really loved this post. Very insightful comments and loved the nostalgic parts about VHS/TV guides! Good job guys!

@TheSkatingLesson 2 года назад

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@riceboi2004 2 года назад

I’ve been thinking about this one thing, and I’d like your insights please. In the Teams event, Russia chose to have no substitution at all. They had Valieva skate both short and long. That meant out of the three Eteri girls, only two could possibly get gold medals. Why didn’t Russia let Trusova skate the long in the Teams event. Russia would still likely get gold metal (with an asterisk of course). Trusova would be the first female do to a quad a the Olympics, AND all three girls will have a chance to get a gold. Sounds like a win win win to me. Why didn’t they go with that?

@anneludlow4891 2 года назад

THANK YOU for having Elena B as your guest! I learned SO MUCH abt how pair skating 'works', & she is so articulate & explained the details & nitty gritty of pairs. Also appreciated her breakdown of the ladies' breakdown, as it were.

@clairp2716 2 года назад

I wanted to say thank you for all of the content you give us. Great job to both of you!

@pg5470 2 года назад

Dave, Jonathan, all the guests - amazing work! Thank you!

@TheSkatingLesson 2 года назад

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@sparkl121 2 года назад

Always love hearing her perspective! Besides the 3s, S/H had the cleanest performed pair elements. T/M and M/G just had these sketchy landings/executions that didn't allow them to really max out on GOEs. Also, besides the 4tw, I feel like S/H nailing their levels made a big difference as well (which they didn't do in 2018, which made just as big of a difference as the sbs mistake). But yeah, even not being a fan of T/M's skating, it just warmed my heart to see them so thrilled to finally hold it together in a big event, especially Evgenia still being so happy despite not being gold. M/G have been commendably steady throughout these big events, especially with the pressure after winning worlds. Hope to see them improve on the ss and see their skating grow. Also LOVED the Japanese. Their ss are *chef's kiss*. If their pcs don't go shooting up soon there is no justice in the world. Also loved the Georgians- hope to see them contend for higher positions and medals soon. My moment of the week was Morozov lifting Han in their hug after the fs. Love all the wholesome pairs content!

@Essylte 2 года назад

Miura/Kihara did great for their first time together at their debut Olympics! Can't wait to see them develop more and become top pair skaters for Japan.

@kdcm6690 2 года назад

S/H also had the best SP, by far.

@nataliemarvos4623 2 года назад

The pair event was such a beautiful highlight of the Olympics. So many great performances. I was so happy for Alexa and Brandon to skate so well, definitely their best so far, but they still have more to give. I hope their great result helps motivate them to continue building their partnership at least for another year or two. Their scores are so promising and continue to climb, so why stop when they just started. They’re a very talented and capable pair and I’d love for Alexa to have a chance at national title number 5 especially since they had to sit out this year.

@johnseals1986 2 года назад

Thank you guys for your hard work the past few weeks!

@meypuim2951 2 года назад

Wow, what a wonderful surprise to see her again! She and Denis Petrov were absolutely one of my favorite pairs skaters of all time. They were such a beautiful pair

@ddjr6673 2 года назад

Like everyone here, I say thank you. Elena’s perspective is excellent, and so much common sense. “The world does not need to know your drama” Oh yes, indeed. Thank you for the whole Olympic cycle. You deserve a lot of rest!

@1chienandalou 2 года назад

Right. I do wish Sasha had been able to be escorted away for a little bit rather than have to experience that in front of cameras, hiding behind curtains.l

@CaraMarie13 2 года назад

Sui and Han winning was fantastic. And I love that they brought up the fact about the sad af music. Like if people keep skating to what has traditionally been considered "appropriate for skating" music, we re all going to be losing out. Like make the music yours with your program and the music will automatically become appropriate for skating.

@Glitteringmoonstone2022 2 года назад

I want to thank you again for putting the care and excitement into this sport that it deserves. I found your channel after the 2014 olympics, I hadn't really started following until after the 2018 Olympics. Your channel has been great with giving us more then what we see at every competition. I still trying to sort through my emotions after what happened in Beijing. Thank you both so much for informing the true fans of this sport!

@maximamaxima8718 2 года назад

Потрясающая пара. Просто потрясающая. Техника, экспрессия и лиризм, смелость и разумность. Большим открытием стала грузинская пара. Как он вытащил поддержку, какой прокат назад с поднятой Лёвой ногой с партнершей наверху. Большие перспективы,. Девочке 15 лет, мягкая, спортивная ; парню 20 лет, а какая физическая сила и характер!!!

@hoizgmischt 2 года назад

I was all ears during the last third. You talk in the interest of the sport and this is what makes it so interesting!

@FeScully 2 года назад

To see them talking about Anna alone when she was awarded first place just reminded me of when Gabriella and Guillaume were awarded theirs. Seeing all the other skaters go to them and and congratulate then and hug them was beautiful.

@dariasmith6306 2 года назад

Unfortunately, ladies competitions is young girls who can’t control their emotions. Can’t compare them with mature grownups in ice dance. Can anyone remember if Michelle (whom I absolutely love btw) ran with joy to congratulate Tara and Sarah? 🤔

@FeScully 2 года назад

@@dariasmith6306 yes, adults are able to understand things differently. One of the reasons, for me, that the minimum age should be raised. I love watching Athletics in the Summer Olympics. Everybody is trying to do their best but they also celebrate other athletes doing their best too.

@dariasmith6306 2 года назад

@@FeScully really hope they raise the age limit immediately!

@louisehancock324 2 года назад

I think most of the skaters did not know how to react to the calamity that unfolded. I felt sadder for Anna then the other two. She could not show the joyfulness and thankfulness she had for winning. She was in need of adult support immediately and did not receive it.

@FeScully 2 года назад

Pair and Ice dance were the best events of this Olympics!

@1chienandalou 2 года назад

I totally agree.

@mobimom3286 2 года назад

There was also something about the lack of an audience.... in the end, the skaters skating for each other was kind of touching and helped to remind me why I love skating. I just hope something changes....

@TheSkatingLesson 2 года назад

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@mobimom3286 2 года назад

@@TheSkatingLesson Thanks for everything you do, Dave!

@andrewchoi2613 2 года назад

Really appreciate having Elena's insight and opinions here. I was hanging on her every word!

@TheSkatingLesson 2 года назад

@deborahmcdermott6927 2 года назад

Thanks so much for your coverage. It was the best!

@sallydaniel1023 2 года назад

The right pairs won the right medals 🏅🥈🥉The Chinese were spectacular and I cheered when they finished 👏

@1chienandalou 2 года назад

I watched their short maybe 8 times already and their free 3-4 times. I cried at the end with them. Though IMO S/H🏅should have had a bigger lead, at least the medals were right. I was glad T/M finally went clean in both programs and got their well deserved 🥈. Hope M/G improve their presentation and that euler in the future and get stronger.

@m.p.maxplanation1726 2 года назад

@@1chienandalou T/M shouldnt have higher pcs than Sui/Han

@TheReneex 2 года назад

Thanks Dave for being one of the first to expose the Kamila Valieva scandal. I don't think I will be able to watch figure skating again with the same objective or anticipation. Especially after this tragic fiasco that has tainted the field of ladies Olympic figure skating. It was very disturbing to see how this controversy affected all of Eteri's girls. including Olympic champ, Anna Sherbakova. Who was left alone after winning gold with no support from her coach Eteri and her associates. Equally as upsetting was seeing the outburst of Sasha Trusova,. Who ended up with a silver medal while crying hysterically and espousing nothing but disdain against Eteri. Whom it appears, promised Trusova gold if she landed five quads. She was so distraught and even questioned her motivation for continuing on in the field of figure skating. After professing that her team mates all won gold as seniors, except for her. It was truly a sad Olympic event. One of the worst. As we watched Kamila who just a few short months ago was breaking records and defeating nearly every other female competitor. Until we were exposed to yet another Russian doping scandal. This time, connected with her. Her long program was a disaster and a very sad ending to what could have been a promising career in figure skating. No doubt. Eteri will return back to Russia to prepare her next young rising phenoms; Sofia Akateva and Adeliia Petrosian. Who will continue the Eteri cycle of disposable female teen figure skaters. Destined for a short lived career!

@nataliae8017 2 года назад

@Yoana Balcheva Moskvina shook her hand and hugged her. That video was just cut short.

@orlandofurioso2034 2 года назад

@Yoana Balcheva Moskvina expressed her admiration of Eteri's work on numerous occasions and she HUGGED her congratulating after the compatition. I understand this denegration comes from the YT fake video.

@msmo2060 2 года назад

I will never forget watching Kaori cry tears of joy over a bronze medal & the meltdown of Sasha over winning silver…

@feyanormorfol2457 2 года назад

Despite the fact that investigation is not over and Kamila thanked her coaches and blamed tabloids, you still playing that fake "child defender" and the same time you blame her for what has not been proven yet. OMG, if you whant to quit FS - please, do it! It will be better without such a fake toxic "fans" like you.

@brittkerr1592 2 года назад

Dave crossing himself after hearing Eteri's name SENT ME

@TheSkatingLesson 2 года назад

🤣🤣

@dkeinow 2 года назад

I would like to thank you both for your work. It has been wonderful watching each skaters' journey leading up to Beijing 2022. I did not know your channel existed until after PyeongChang Olympics. Looking forward to the next quadrennial event! I have been waiting for this recap!!

@mmg1800 2 года назад

I think Galliamov got Olympic nerves. Since the team event I noticed he was very shaky and that led to their fall. And in their category I noticed his face was too red from the beginning, he was always frowning when he's usually very smiley and light hearted. I think he tried to focus too much that he forgot to do it flowy. Also, the very few times I've seen Dave being so quiet for this long it's always when Elena is a guest lol Listeting to her is just amazing.

@jennybibler9206 2 года назад

And what a fabulous way to end these particular Olympics...with you and Jonathan and Elena talking about a joyous pairs event. Could any of you BEGIN to imagine if the ladies program was the figure skating finale?! We would all be traumatized forever. So thank you for closing with this wonderful guest and other than Nathan and the 3rd/4th Dance medalists/placement, the Chinese got it right putting this one last (gee, did they happen to know something we didn't???)! Thanks Dave. You are the ROCK!

@singsongeric 2 года назад

I found it interesting that despite the salchow, S/H won based on technical content. T/M were the only team in the LP that received any 10's in components, and they got a good number of them. In the end I'm thrilled for the overall results, but I was surprised at S/H's PCS considering they delivered a stunning performance with great emotional impact. Even politically speaking, considering China was putting all of their eggs in 1 basket, it didn't seem like S/H was getting a huge boost (nor the Russians being supressed in any way) - there was a very real chance they were not going to win, and in fact 6/9 judges didn't put them in 1st. I'm just glad everything worked out in the end.

@1chienandalou 2 года назад

You’re right they weren’t being boosted. I’m so glad they won. It would not be right if they didn’t and it seemed a distinct possibility indeed.

@lindaallison5338 2 года назад

I was shocked that they didn’t get a single 10. IMO the mistake on the sal didn’t detract from the program.

@louisehancock324 2 года назад

@@lindaallison5338 I agree. T/M were really good also but S/H’s pcs were underscored. Their presentation and interpretation should have earned a few 10s. Their program were mostly skated well and touched our emotions were as T/M’s was just skated well.

@emmarcus 2 года назад

Hello licensed therapist here. I think Trusova reaction might be a reactive abusive situation. Eteri is clearly a narcissist and I think Trusova was reacting to manipulation and exhaustion of everything leading up to the event.

@pajamamama5965 2 года назад

I agree. Especially after hearing the translation of what trusova was saying. She felt betrayed, she had been told if she did five quads she would get gold. She skated on an injury, long painful practices I'm sure

@benbailey159bb 2 года назад

@@pajamamama5965 To be fair if she'd landed the 5 quads and not stepped out of the 4T she WOULD have won so . . .

@laurielynne2006 2 года назад

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@1chienandalou 2 года назад

@@benbailey159bb yeah probably, or if she landed that triple axel, which was a long shot. no disrespect at all but completely clean 5 quads also isn’t something to expect based on past performance. Was thrilled for her but there wasn’t really a feasible way to win with these skates given her short was if anything overscored and her PCS so so generous for those skates (and compared to others, e.g. wakaba). So I do think there was an issue with expectations not aligning with reality and her coaching team should have helped her with that. But it seemed as long as they sweeped podium they didn’t really care where she placed. So I feel her frustration and feelings of less support and even betrayal found their outlet in that moment.

@saramisthal6658 2 года назад

What a palate cleanser. It was such a wonderful competition to watch. Thanks to you both.

@jayjaybee 2 года назад

Thanks for this! Elena is delightful! ❤️ I did the same thing with looking through the TV Guide and recording every special I could. I drove my family crazy. 😀

@sallysue8176 2 года назад

My favorite was the Japanese couple! IDK anything about skating but they stand out to me. I am happy for Han and Sui gold

@TheSkatingLesson 2 года назад

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@biggestgymfan7230 2 года назад

The pairs event was definitely the perfect ending after that ladies event

@TheSkatingLesson 2 года назад

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@MsTeach3 2 года назад

Dave and Jonathan, I 💯 with what you said at the end after the pair analysis. It’s difficult to wrap my brain around what happened and to think positively about this Olympics. My highlight was Nathan winning gold, but that seems like it was at a different competition altogether. Looking forward to your next As the Blade Turns. Thanks for all your hard work guys.

@adityachhetri9809 2 года назад

Dave’s expression at 28 mins when Elena talks about judges trying to be fair XD

@TheSkatingLesson 2 года назад

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@lynnmcfarlin6261 2 года назад

Enjoyed your coverage. Thank you both!

@TheSkatingLesson 2 года назад

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@tonymu8984 2 года назад

These programs are amazing insightful and you guys definitely invite the right people to comment on things!

@TheSkatingLesson 2 года назад

@72586jejones 2 года назад

Oh I was so hoping Elena would be a guest this week. Thank you guys!

@amethyst5512 2 года назад

Dave, I feel you with the TV guide and VHS tapes. That’s how my child hood went too 😂

@shomaunofan8486 2 года назад

I was laughing so hard cuz I totally get that!!!!!🤣🤣🤣

@loc1976 2 года назад

I love S/H and I love T/M! My two favourite pairs competing here, no doubt, both excellent in their own different styles. I'm so happy they're gold and silver!! Tbh I haven't looked at the score sheets for the details, I personally felt it could really have gone either way, but I guess S/H's 4Tw bet really paid off, and it was a beauty!!

@toxic-low-key-ghost7934 2 года назад

Yes and also their death spiral, they chose a more difficult one which helped them just slightly

@lwinaye4617 2 года назад

Plus, S/H maxed out on their GOE’s for each element. Score sheets for TES and PCS are very interesting and fair.

@yohanes2034 2 года назад

I'm really happy and satisfied with pair, just the podium I want to see.

@1chienandalou 2 года назад

I was very pleased T/ M finally had two clean programs - well deserved 🥈 and they were thrilled. I cried with S/H, I thought they very much deserved it too. M/G still have time to grow and add to their strengths

@toxic-low-key-ghost7934 2 года назад

@@1chienandalou I agree 100%. After watching the sp and seeing M/G, T/M and S/H back to back, it was obvious that M/G we’re fresh out of juniors and they honestly looked like children compared to them.

@juanantoniomoreno3409 2 года назад

I love Elena and her passion / intelligence. I also love her skating routines.

@TheSkatingLesson 2 года назад

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@qiwi2980 2 года назад

With Elena Betchke 0:00 Tamara Moksvina 6:10 Mishina/Galliamov 12:25 Skating music 20:47 Worlds post olympics 23:00 Boikova/Kozlovskii 25:00 Sui/Han 26:11 Strong field 35:58 James/Radford 42:29 Sasha Trusova 57:35 Too much height with throws 1:01:52 Knierim/Frasier 1:08:09 Miura/Kihara 1:12:28 Moment of the event Post script 1:18:10 Dave's feelings 1:19:59 Jonathan's feelings 1:35:35 How did Eteri's system develop 1:36:41 Other events 1:37:51 Weird olympics

@KL-pv7cl 2 года назад

Thank you

@shomaunofan8486 2 года назад

1:18:10 just Dave and Jonathan

@oceanle 2 года назад

Thank you. Hope this can get pinned to the top.

@fiiooonnnna 2 года назад

Loved Elena as a commentator she brings such insight, wit, and wisdom!

@etherealtb6021 2 года назад

P.S. Even a good critical/tough coach knows the moment a skater needs a hug. I had the worst skate once & after my music ended, my stomach fell, as I knew my tough coach was going to "kill" me (11 year old brain). Instead, as I got off the ice, she embraced me in a big bear hug. Such relief! THEN a few minutes later, she asked me what the heck happened as I'd been doung so well (she was sill tough, lol). Even my mom said, "I can't believe Susie hugged you"! 🤣 Susie, who 99% of the time would critique me, wasn't a hugger, knew at this tiny competition in L.A., what I needed was a hug. Anyone with a heart would've given Kamila a big hug, said it would be okay, THEN maybe give some corrections - because they're still Russian. 😁

@dtdurr 2 года назад

You have been so busy this week, and I love it.

@kalpanapatel5765 2 года назад

Great coverage. Thank you for the reflections at the end. I needed the skating therapy session. As a fan I am trying to understand my contribution to this.

@TheSkatingLesson 2 года назад

@louisehancock324 2 года назад

Thanks Elena and both of you guys. Pairs was like that ice cream on a hot day. Also thank for all of your reporting through the Olympics.

@TheSkatingLesson 2 года назад

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@themangochannel 2 года назад

I loved the pair event. So pleased that the skating was generally so strong. But loved that Sui and Han won. I've so enjoyed their journey so these years. And thank you for this recap. It has been fun reliving the glorious pairs event!

@goosecaboose755 2 года назад

Loved this episode of “That and That”!! 🤣💗

@TheSkatingLesson 2 года назад

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@mempto 2 года назад

Absolutely love this interview with Elena and your closing thoughts. I just appreciate all you guys do for the sport. 💌

@TheSkatingLesson 2 года назад

Glad you enjoyed it

@simmykdl 2 года назад

Happy birthday David! Great Olympic coverage!

@troyroepke6071 2 года назад

Y'all forgot the most important moment of these games - Matteo Guarise skating shirtless and in shorts for their gala performance!

@TheSkatingLesson 2 года назад

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@iamsoverybored878 2 года назад

Liked Smart and Diaz in the Gala. Bonus points for not doing a ballad like the other ice dance teams. The Gala was done well I too wonder why the picked some skaters like the Italian pairs who didn't make the top 10. They knew their Gala program so that's why they were picked. Like the lighting effects on the ice during performances. Also the skaters harassing that poor dude in the panda costume.

@petersmith2144 2 года назад

@I probably because Italy is hosting the 2026 Olympics.

@1chienandalou 2 года назад

@@iamsoverybored878 that was funny when they made the panda fall and picked him up and rolled him down again. I was i’m not exactly sure what was going on but it was hilarious

@meredithnichols3572 2 года назад

Great hosts & brilliant guest. Love the insights

@suetavakoli 2 года назад

The moment of the week was watching IAM dancers from various nationalities all sitting together in the crowd and cheering and dancing for the camera. The TV director also did a great job to keep the crowd excited in that empty arena.

@TheSkatingLesson 2 года назад

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@johnl405 2 года назад

Dave, you gave great coverage of the events and insightful objective analysis of this unfortunate scandal. You and Jonathan really gave thoughtful opinions on figure skating and the Olympics. I think what many of us fans fear is that figure skating will become more niche and even irrelevant, with the Olympics following. Hopefully that'll not be the case. But the sport will only grow if the politics is addressed in the aftermath of this scandal. One would hope...

@corgeousgeorge 2 года назад

Re: Trauma Triggers during post Women's event. Jonathan is absolutely correct here as Trusova's response was rage, Valieva's response was profound sadness and Scherbakova's was to make yourself as small as possible to not get in the crosshairs/crossfire of all the explosions around her, I was even more struck by Scherbakova's non reaction as it reminded me of children who grow up in very volatile/violent home environments with parents who abuse one another in front of the children. It was shocking. Out of all of the insanity around her, this young woman sitting there in an almost fuge like state was just heartbreaking. It's as if she shut off her brain to go to her "happy place" while this all was happening. Truly shocking.

@amethyst5512 2 года назад

Yes, totally agree. That’s why to me, Anna’s reaction was the most disturbing out of all of it. Like it’s ingrained in her to be like that because her training environment is always so tumultuous…

@1chienandalou 2 года назад

Anna reminded me of the older sibling who is left to fend for herself because she is capable and successful and (has to be) mature. In a very dysfunctional family.

@eljj7968 2 года назад

Thanks so much for all your hard work throughout the Olympics Dave! I imagine you haven’t had much sleep the past couple of weeks. And thank you Dave and Jonathan for the recaps and the guests you brought on, they were all great.

@SunflowerCat333 2 года назад

Happy Birthday Dave! Wishing you a beautiful day and a spectacular year to come! 🌻🌻🌻

@etherealtb6021 2 года назад

Thanks for all of your tireless work this Olympics, Dave & Jonathan. Thanks for talking about the depressing music again. I agree with Elena, Pairs is about power & the music should match! There is "gentle" music that is also powerful. Also, with these sad songs, how is the music supposed to inspire you or lift you up when you're having a bad skate (like KMT)?

@rels77a 2 года назад

@BoxOfMarzipan 2 года назад

40:36 Dave casually crossing himself when Eteri is mentioned as a pair coach 😂Love it!

@redutlegalized9586 2 года назад

The most precious in Tarasova/Morozov's silver is that finally to the end of the season they struggled alone on this ice Tutberidze provided for them they managed to make both programes together. It hard to say their coach turned offen to this skating place from his way to TV with microphone. And this crowd alongside the wall was better not standing there at all for coaching!

@orlandofurioso2034 2 года назад

he is just a typical Eteri-hater

@juanantoniomoreno3409 2 года назад

@@orlandofurioso2034 that is not true. A couple of years he praised har along with Adam Rippon..David actually took a picture with Eteri at the beginning of the season.

@youarestronger 2 года назад

@@orlandofurioso2034 she helps facilitate child doping, if that is not reason to hate her, you ought check your moral compass

@insi4547 2 года назад

@@youarestronger oh...is the wada investigation over yet??? didnt know

@jcaslove1 2 года назад

I'm thrilled for the top 2 pairs, who have pushed each other for many years in competition. They are different but both are fantastic in their own way. Tarasova and Morozov definitely have the best element quality in RUS. Hopefully Knierim and Frazier will continue, they are just starting to hit their stride. They looked a lot more comfortable with their elements here and did some of their best twist and throws ever. I'd like them to try a different element order for next year, among other things. The goal should be to skate well multiple times, not just once and quit. You have to work your way up in pairs. I'm hoping they will set some goals at the end of the season, try to win a GP, give themselves more chances at Worlds. They are already doing so well! Nothing can hold them back except themselves.