Rolled exactly 1 so far and that one the welds that held the tounge to the 5th wheel plate broke on one side and caused it to rock to the side while it was in the air and snap the piston. Heh not a good day. Sad thing is the company checked with a laser level to see if i screwed up. The ground where it went over was nearly perfectly level and was in a damn rock bin.
Me too I had that happen to me once we were tipping on unstable ground the digger operator was told to keep his bucket in my bin until it was empty and he didn’t 😢
O, I think that you are on to something, I thought it was open by the little bit of dirt that was on the ground they were backed up to, but when it hit the ground you see the gate pop open 🤔
I've seen plenty of side dumpers in Eugene OR, loaded, and empty. Wildish Construction, and Egge Sand & Gravel are 2 of the oldest I can recall seeing.
looking at it my view the tailgate was not open and was not letting the material fully out plus the gate being stuck behind the small pile did not help at all and guy was just dumping not paying attention and did not check the gate before dumping to make sure he had a good enough clearance then when bed went up the material was just staying there bc it had no were to go so if i was a truck driver caring a end dump i would recommend adding a quicksilver bed liner in the back then the materal can start slinding out by the 2nd to the 3rd stage
Before you raise the box more than 10 feet you back up and hit the brakes to shift the load backwards and loosen the contents a bit then you resume raising the box, paying attention to how the load is dispersing! Occasionally you need to jolt the load to keep it moving before you raise it all the way up!
Load was struck....driver should have noticed this ....but this does happen if your not paying attention to your dumping.... I haul end dump🇨🇦 and I'm always watching the trailer when dumping 😎
My municipal street department found this out the hard way. They used to park some of the plow trucks in cold storage filed with salt/sand mix not realizing the sand freezes. Well, they found out one truck they raised the box and it tipped the box over. Snapped the ram.
A local company trucked in dry fertilizer during season for the company I worked for. And it all cane in on dump trailers. They were fourty footers with full frames. The drivers were very picky and careful with the operation of their trailers. They had their tricks, and they must work since they never dumped a trailer at our facility.
@@ronfullerton3162 I’ll dump a load every 30 minutes sometimes so we don’t have time to level or even get out of truck. A 40 ft over road trailer has to be level and loaded right and even watch the wind. These guys may dump only once or twice a day. They use those where I live to haul road salt I use to do that.
@@Peterbilt359 The guys hauling into me had an hour drive both to and back from the river terminal to pickup the fertilizer. Urea and dap both unload very good. We had to use the small door in the tail gate because we unloaded into a chain link conveyor that fed a bucket leg. The drivers would raise just enough to cause more product to roll down, then drop the trailer some. It was indeed a slow unload as to what you evidently had to do. When they hauled potash, it didn't flow as well, and sometimes would bridge up if there were too much fines. They just had to watch a little closer. Hats off to the men of Bell's Ready Mix that did such a wonderful job of keeping me running in season when rail service was not fast enough during the crunch. Good drivers are a very big plus for the customers they serve.
@@Peterbilt359very unsafe to say you don’t have time to be level … not that much rushing in the world. You won’t have equipment to work with if you keep living by that statement
I run a 2022 quad axle kenworth t880s with an tebco aluminum dump body. 25,900 empty weight. Hauling 27 ton. And I’d take a 85 359 with an end dump any day.
The video description says can't haul as much? The point is end dumps generally can haul more than a standard dump truck, can carry more weight and dump faster. They all have their place, but yes end dumps can be the most dangerous compared to dump trucks or bellies.
I drove tractor trailer end dumps for 2 years around Dallas and Ft Worth in the early 90's. Loved the job. Was fortunate to never turn one over. 28' and 32' aluminum frame less Mates, 36' 44 yard Full frame CPS and my favorite was a 37' Lufkin Featherlite. Hauling on a job site bringing in fill dirt. The spotter spotted three trucks side by side. I watched them domino over. Yep, shut that job down!!
I've been running end dump now 4 months now I've never done this before I've got 18 years trucking all otr this is new to me I'm loving it as long as u pay attention to what your doing this won't happen
Pretty much anything from the east coast to the Midwest uses end dumps. When you get out west is when you start seeing belly dumps and side dumps. Out there they have pretty much made everything to suite them. But not out east. They'll look at you a little weird if you pull up with a belly dump with anything but a grain hopper.
thats exactly why I dont pull one. Once upon a time I drove a garbage truck where it froze in the nose overnight and damn near tipped over. That was about the last time
I hauled end dumps for 5 years and never had a problem. Of course we sprayed our dumps with diesel back in the days so our load wouldn't stick especially in the winter.
I worked at a limestone rock quarry that was using Volvo A-35 6x6 off road end dumps. They virtually bullet proof, and slightly idiot proof. One of the dumdum resistant features was the fact that since it was an articulated steering truck, it had a pivot point between the cab and the dump bed. It was made to be able to dump on somewhat uneven ground, and it was pretty forgiving. But we had a few 18-20 year old dum dums that apparently never took the extreme limits of the truck into consideration, and would tip the bed. The cool thing about these trucks though, is only the bed would fall over, and the cab would stay upright. It was safe, and it (usually) didn’t fuck up the truck. We would get a track hoe to grab it by the bed, flip it back over, and send it to get another load! Not trying to compare the A-35 to the one in this video btw. The video just reminded me of how badass those off-road trucks are!
I pulled frameless dumps for ten years and never rolled over. I hauled everything from steel to asphalt to concrete in the demolition field. We had cattle gates and this trailer appears to have a lift gate or they forgot to open the back door.
I haul an end dump. You have to know what it’s limits are. I’m running 6 axles for a gross of 107,000 with the ability to haul about 35.5 ton of material.
Is that so? Depends on the regulations. We are allowed a maximum of 40t here. Semi weighs 12t, a trailer combination 16t and consumes 6l/100km more. As a compromise we have 4x4 semis. I don't know what his problem was, but these trailers usually have air suspension with a tipper lowering so that they stand more solidly. These large-capacity troughs are problematic if the load doesn't slide. I've seen this a few times in life.
I am in the farming and never rolled anything like that. Yet. My stuff flows easily, so it is not that easy to flip. You just do not max out your ram early, when there is still lots of heavy stuff in front. How how you combat the risk dumping less cooperating stuff?
I pull an end dump trailer in Minnesota. We have Federal Bridge laws which means the typical quad axle dump truck can haul about 17.5 to 18 tons and quint can haul between 19.5 to 20. I haul material for asphalt plants and get paid by weight. I can haul 26.25 with end dump.
@@Compression_Igniton Yep, I agree, but that's the maximum allowed by law. If you go over and are caught, the fines are SIGNIFICANT!! In a Federal Bridge Law State, the maximum weight of a triaxle is 57,000 lbs, a quad is 63,000 and a quint axle is 69,000. For a semi truck is 80,000 lbs. I have an overweight permit and can run 84,000 lbs for a maximum net payload of about 27.5 tons.
Load for a quarry in the KC area and depending where the truck is going load limits for tri range from 14.5 tons to 30 tons. Have a large end dump who comes in that we routinely load around 56 ton. Most end dump drivers tell use how they like their load stacked in their trailers. Most like it weighted to the rear some to the front.
Check tire pressure, Check suface level, Check springs , make sure trailer is clean after every delivery no material sticking to the trailer floor, If possible order custom trailer with front end of trailer 4-6'' narrow than rear end. fully trained driver can help a lot
We use them for road building materials. However, either as a semi-circular steel or square in aluminum and then not such high ones. We have a moving floor for wood chips. The steel troughs are actually quite solid and nothing rarely sticks, the aluminum troughs are worse for dirt. But they are good for asphalt because they are thermally insulated. These high hollows are actually not suitable for dirt and are very unstable.
We had 4 or 5 at my work and we got rid of all of them except 1 and its just used around the pit. I always loved when it would be loaded and up in the air and coming down the filter check relief valve would fail and the threads and filter would get ripped off and down she comes and out comes 20-30 gallons of hyd fluid. Easy to work on though.
As a dump truck driver i can tell you that happened to him becouse he wanted too if you feel then trailer leaning to one side you drop it down as soon as you feel it abs see it . If your load is not properly loaded you can definitely feel it to and see it . What happend to some people is that they start raising the bucket while looking and something else, phone ,paperwork, or what ever else . This is the part that requires all your attention, 1 sec can make the difference between saving the truck or this. Im not saying every accident is the driver fault not at all but some driver are not as careful.
I've pulled framed dumps and frameless dumps for 20yrs and one thing you better do is look in your mirror constantly, if that trl doesn't look straight going up STOP and lower it. Reposition if you have to, also make sure your tires are properly inflated a blowout can turn a 15 minute job into a 3 or more hour recovery. Never get in a hurry and pay attention to what you are doing.
Don’t blame the driver so quick I have operated frameless dumps he could have blown airbag maybe the asphalt giveaway or something broke lotta possibilities
It looked like the truck was on level ground but the trailer was way overloaded! I pull end dumps and highsides in California. We don't have combinations like Dauminique and are limited 80,000lbs so we bridged the gap between a super and a transfer.
This can happen with a regular dump truck too tho. My old man was a dump truck driver Owner op for about 10 years. 1st rule of dumpin is make sure youre on level ground.
Love all the open gates first comments. Its a sticky load issue. We were on a job in the winter in below freezing temps and belly dumps were being loaded with wet pit run and the loads froze solid. Same issue here. Very wet load.
I used to pull a frameless aluminum dump. From what I remember it was one of lightest dump trailers out, which means it could carry the most product. Also, I've never flipped one, but I've had my butt puckering a few times due to how much they sway when the load doesn't come out all at once...
The way I've seen it is they are supposed to pull forwad as soon as the dump box is all the way up. It does look like they are in an enclosed area. They probably could have pulled forward up to the fence then lowered the dump box half empty and drove to a new spot and raised and dumped the second half. There is a chance that it could also have been managers orders in a complex situation. The way the back gate hinges on the top back corner doesn't allow the whole thing to empty at once without pulling forward.
Gotta be level, I never had a frameless my trailer was from the early 60s and my truck was a 68....had a nice frame on it but I still made sure I was level and wouldn't raise this high unless I was on pavement ....call me cautious but that was 1995 and all of our stuff was repaired with farmers wire....
You can definitely feel it when you first raise the bed up if your not level. The bed sorta jerks upwards as the bed separates from the rail frame on the truck.
@angelmunoz3462 could have been a flat tire to. That's why I check my tires before dumping. Also a vital component may have failed to due to improper maintenance.
i used to deliver sand to a location that was sloped to keep the rain water drained away from the sand.every time id open the tailgate & build a ramp on one side, then back up on it to get it level enough to raise the trailer.otherwise by the second stage of the boom it would be leaning bad.i never rolled one though.but did have a few close calls.you MUST pay close attention on unlevel ground.or you WILL be sorry.
I rode one over in the late 80's. Load of dirt was heavy and stuck; it was a wild ride. It helps to have a good single point suspension like a Neway. Air rides are horrible, I'd never buy air ride for construction use
You should always know your load and how it was loaded before you run a dump trailer it is an art to running one of those I used to do things with those trailers that would scare the average person
The full frame end dumps 32 feet or less in length are a lot more stable, but everybody wants that extra payload a long frameless trailer will give them….until you have to dump on a windy day, then all that extra profit is laying on the ground twisted and smashed to pieces.
I checked with shops before buying one, and they seem to get more frame type on springs in for rebuilding/ repair after incidents. Take care and good luck out there.
If you don't know how to use the equipment it's definitely a good idea to not use it. I'm glad you guys understand your limitations and don't put other people on danger.
We used to get these trailers coming in to dump, the guy that usually came in said he would soak the bottom down with diesel before he got loaded up so no material sticks to the bottom, also would definitely make sure he’s on flat ground. He never tipped one, but we did see a couple other guys tip them because they didn’t use right precautions
Difference between a dump truck and a 3axle trailer not compatible. Here a 3-4 axel dump truck can haul 16-18mt. 3 axle trailer can load 26-28mt. Though dump trucks here usually have a 3 axel dump trailer to, don’t need much space to dump both. Operator errors happens, we all know….
I overload mine every day of the week grossing 108k with fill dirt and have never had an issue. Dump trucks in my area don't even want to weigh 75k gross. Dump wagon is the way to go!
@@DauminiqueTheDumpTruckDriver I mean my gross is only around 76k and there's no way a dump truck can touch what I haul bc they don't have the space. I'm just confused as to what your calling a truck and trailer vs end dump. And where is it that you are hauling?
My father had that happen to him probably 25 years ago now in a 359 with a dump trailer totaled the trailer but the truck dident roll so insurance didn’t total it but it still bent the frame ripped air lines and poped some of the tires and bent the rims
Once you have it that high and with a lean you got to go with it because the trailer will not line back up and it will still roll the truck when it comes down because the weight has shifted the alignment.
I pulled end dumps for 7 year + been driving 39 , we call them frameless but u have to use commons sense b on level ground to dump them all, u dam sure better b paying attention, hey y’all a great day 😊
Here in Colorado they use end dumps mostly you very rarely see a side dump. Here in my hometown they make belly dumps dragon trailers formerly ranco the best belly dumps and end dumps you can get. I hate load kings
I could haul 24 tons on my spread axle ravens legal, however I didn’t pay much attention to that. I hauled sweet corn beans wheat corn mulch but never hauled dirt in it I don’t even remember ever hauling stones it it I had tried axles for that
Flowboy trailers are the only way to go! I drove for a big asphalt paving company in VT and NH and safely hauled asphalt and aggregates and sand. And you didn't have to be sitting level or if the wind was blowing!
Hauled coal in a Fruehauf tub and never went higher than 2 scopes if it wasn’t if the gate wasn’t open But mine would blow in the wind if it wasn’t latched running empty
Seen this happen to a driver over loaded with hurricane debris. He was on his fone & not paying attention. How a driver doesn't see or even feel the trailer leaning I will never understand.
Gotta clear the original pile . If the door won't fully open, you can't start the slide . And why would you allow your frameless to even lean like that ? Or did the load freeze ? Being almost vertical, you would think it would least tumble out from the dog house area . I used to haul metals to Coatesville P.a. from Connecticut, I wish I had real estate like that when tipping my load .
