Coop, you forgot that the C2 has the iPad / phone holder mount standard. Lots of people including me use training apps and/or watch GGR vids while rowing. I didn’t see anything about the Assault having that as an option to either add on or as a standard.
Coop, I watched your Black Friday Deals video and made sure to stop by here to click on your provided link to the AssaultRower Pro. I've been hoping to buy the Concept 2 Rower, but at $636 after FREE shipping and then added taxes, this deal was too good to pass up. I wanted to make sure you got some due credit for my purchase because I use your site and videos before any of my gym purchases. You are the Consumer Reports for people in Gym Shorts! Thank you from Branson, MO.
C2 will not be surpassed until other competitors can compete with light weight construction with aluminum and an actual Ergometer power meter (monitor) the PM5 will not be surpassed. Go with the AUTHENTIC version. You will be very happy to get the best.
No app connectivity is a huge negative for me. Also, no damper, means the same feel for a small or large user, no compensation for air pressure (yes, it does make a difference). I've used C2s for years, and have a waterrower for my own use at home. Annoyingly, the gym that is at my work place just got one of these. Can't say it's any good.
That monitor has a look (buttons, etc) that is awfully similar to the Schwinn Airdyne Pro AD7... I have had a C2 for 11 years now and it is a durable beast. Never had any problems with it with general maintenance. That's another checkbox for them I think since there is no way to know how durable the Assault truly is yet, how long it will be made or be supported, etc. The other think is resale value. They are sort of like VersaClimbers and hold their value. I think your review is spot on.
Really wanna get a rower, but there's so many choices it feels like. The concept 2 is great but kinda pricey. Seems like this didn't really hit that mark either and is still unaffordable. Maybe some day we'll get a decent price point. Looks like the C2 is still king. Great review as always Coop!
some colleges/universities have rowing events where they use C2s and then sell them at a discount. But a used c2, particularly if it looks like it's in a house (vs crossfit gym) is likely in good-as-new condition.
You sound like a hella C2 fanboy, but I appreciate your candor. I'm actually rather sold on the more stable frame and the basic monitor. I'm not competitive like that, and I'm really just looking for something to do in the evenings when my kid has homework and I can't go to the gym. Thanks for the review!
If you are in the market for one right now, Amazon has this for 10% off with the coupon and free shipping. $100 less than the C2 and for me it was at my local warehouse so shipping is super fast.
accurate review. They are typically about the same price, so it makes sense to go with C2. This was at 599 for a bit, and that was indeed a really good price. At that price point, this would be worth getting.
Looks like a very decent machine BUT if you have any interest in comparing your times to other people then you have to go C2. They have daily WOD’s, online tables for various distances/times, lots of competitions over the year, team competitions etc. It’s the standard and knocking them off that spot is incredibly difficult.
What I'd like to see on a C2 competitor (or the C2, for that matter) is a monitor with an LED display instead of an LCD display. When I'm rowing hard, I don't want to strain to see my distance/calories burned/elapsed time - an LED display would be MUCH easier to read at a glance.
that was a good price. Looks like it quickly jumped back up. I find the seat on the Assault to be considerably more comfortable. I think a used Assault could sell for like 400-450, so that would be a good percentage of the 599 price...
I am just gonna say it...I have a concept two sitting in the garage....No reason to get something like this. Tough market to fight into with the concept two rowers.
Why do you have one what use case does a rower have..seems like there are many other nicer ways to get your cardio in. Rowing looks like an absolute ballache compared to a stationary bike or even steadystate cardio on a treadmill
@@Farquad76.547 Treadmills have a lot more than can go wrong, and then getting it repaired will be difficult/expensive. Rowing uses more muscles than a stationary bike--but the rogue-type assault bikes *are* a truly great workout (since they use push/pull plus legs). Dorian Yates mentioned that for cardio all he does, twice a week: a minute of medium intensity assault bike, then 20 seconds all-out. He does about 5 intervals of this. Note that you could also do a similarly effective interval session on a rower. The c2 rower in particular is super-well made, unlikely to have any repair type issues (and way less expensive than a really good treadmill). But any of these things that a person is motivated to use, they can all be good of course. Note that rowing is not a ballache, but for me it can get a tad uncomfy on the butt, although they make some cushions for that.
@@Farquad76.547 Rowing is a great complement to lifting, IMO. For example, a lot of your power comes from the hip hinge. Also the pulling movement at the end. Better than a bike or treadmill.
I've had or known people with Garage gyms and/or Basement gyms all my life and I have never seen a Conept 2 rower in person in all my life. Ric Flair's Golds gym and Ricky Steamboat's gym didnt have them but it was a long time since I worked out there so maybe they have them now. Rowers surely have made it to Charlotte NC but where are they, I'd like to try one? They look interesting and I want to try one but I have no place to put it. That might be why I've never seen one down here. I like them though or I think I do.
Hey coop, was wondering if you could review the blk box leg extension attachment from a company overseas (not sure where). I'm wondering if it can be modified to use a weight rogue slinger and weight stack. Other leg extension options are in the thousands, so if a company was able to take a concept like blk box leg extension, and marry it to a rogue slinger you'd have a leg extension with constant tension.
my gym has had a couple of these for 2 years or so. My 2k times on it seem to be slower than on my c2 (for the same perceived effort), so I'm not sure that the little monitor on this is calibrated the same as c2. I actually do find the seat on the Assault to be a tad more comfortable. It is a good product, but I'm not sure if it's worthwhile for the average home user to get this. But I will say that in gym settings, many people tend to set the c2 damper too high, and after a few months they can get a slight 'ragged out' feeling, and the screen/foil can get really dirty (due to maintenance staff wiping it with fuzzy cleaning pads). For a gym setting, the Assault may actually be a better design. But I own a c2, and have zero regrets. When I last looked into this several months ago, the Assault was more expensive than the c2. I think Assault figured out that they had to lower their price to about the same level.
@@MrChadLedford wow, they're really dropping the price on it. I will say for sure: the seat on the assault is more comfortable than that on the c2. Fwiw, the resale value isn't as good--but if you really got tired of it, I'd think that you could get maybe 400 for it. It's not a bad product--but it's obviously not the 'official standard', which doesn't matter to most people. And the little display monitor on the assault probably can't plug into different apps like that of the c2...
We're nearly in 2024 and these companies are still putting out these products with monitors that look like they run off a Timex watch from the 80s. I don't get it. I'll never buy any of these until they upgrade monitors to be from this century.
@@instantsiv With that attitude why are you even looking at rowing machines when you can just go row an actual boat for your exercise? A 10" color tablet costs as little as $50. It's a very cheap and easy component to upgrade for a significant boost in user enjoyment. Especially for cardio machines. Hell, at least include them as an optional upgrade.
I see it will add some app and use you cellphone to do many thing you would like . I think the app is the way serve user best than add 10” monitor and unique program and the cost will +100$ The app will record exercise history of 5-10 user and calculate you workout time and calories in many month right.
You nailed it, I've been thinking that for awhile now. I keep hearing Coop say this monitor is the GOAT and it looks like a 6th grader designed it. I'm thinking that is the GOAT, well then maybe I don't need a rower if a kid's monitor is the best one in the whole industry. Maybe rowers aren't for me. You made a Great point
The seat is more comfy, but otherwise I don't think it's better. But at 599, that's a good price point. When it's around the same price as c2, I'd get c2 for sure. It is a well made machine, can hold up well in gym setting.
I’d love to watch the typical gym bro try and use an RP3… so much smacking into both ends. If Coop’s issue here was the price the RP3 definitely won’t review well, being far more expensive AND less durable. But the RP3T is pretty awesome and seems to be more solid than their original rowers.
I own the Peloton Row and Bike. I am a big fan of interactive exercises when it comes to cardio (I hate it lol). Both the row and bike are incredibly quite and give you a fantastic workout. They are super expensive and require a monthly sub, so that is a big turn off for most folks. Thanks so much for the great review. This looks like a very solid machine.
I have a hard time understanding why nobody seems able to make a monitor as good as C2. The PM 5 does everything you want it to do, done simply and clearly. It is hard to escape the conclusion that they just don't care that much about it.
This honestly looks to be the gold standard for a different body type. You mention that the seat height is a tad taller and the exit point for the cable is slightly higher than the C2, but I'm 6'6. I'm a tall boy. Having that extra height appeals to me incredibly so. I'm also an amateur bodybuilder who doesn't care about leaderboards or online nonsense so the seat lock and the simple UI sounds like a better experience for me. I'm sold!
