Paul pleased it’s a problem solver for you and your particular riding preferences 👍 (for others not). For what’s been delivered from the wider possibilities don’t see anything to get quite so fired up about. Worth noting Robbie McEwen is a brand ambassador for Sram
I'm going to buy these shifters this Summer to retrofit onto my existing AXS groupset. I spend 90% of my time on the hoods, and passing and turning during a gravel race is always a terrifying proposition.
I find 2 finger braking from the hoods works already great on the new Shimano groupsets 🤔 You have still 2 fingers around the hood for a secure grip and because you are using 2 fingers from the hoods, the leverage difference with 1 finger braking in the drops is not very big
While I like the newer shape, it still looks goofy as hell to me. Still love Shimano lever shapes. Also LOVE the newer force / rival shapes. I don't know why they couldn't just do that. The 3 fingers under level "issue" has never really been a real issue for me and many others. Hate that new lever design makes it a longer reach.
Spot on. Now I'm running Apex 1 (fully mechanical /cable actuated disc brakes). I have small hands and in order to reach the brake lever from the drops with my pointing finger I have to set the minimum distance between the lever and handlebar. It creates the problem shown in the video - my fingers are in the way of the brake lever (it's squeezing my fingers and not able to have the full range of movement), so not ideal for braking force / performance. My solution is that from the hoods I have to use 2 fingers for braking, but as said in the video - this is dangerous on any bumps. Looking forward to see this in Apex (Red is too expensive for me 😕), maybe then I will think about upgrading to full hydraulic, because with the current generation of Apex, I can't see the point - maybe the braking force from the fully hydraulic system would be a bit better, but the problem with the ergonomics would still exist.
Another brilliant solution for a problem we didn’t realize we’re having. Imagine all those previous generation red boys and girls realizing they were riding non ergonomic shifters ! Good that they improve though.
Do you supply/stock the 8 bit burg bar tape (stealth version 🤔) nice video as per. It's a long time coming for road levers to have ergonomics and clearance in one package well done sram
Truly , this is the first thing i noticed also. The second was they are still using DOT brake fluid and they are missing a second button on the lever. :) I think i will wait until the next generation ,and until then , the GRX DI2 is the best choice in my opinion. Cheers
I've got the (now) older Red shifters and ride on some very rough roads in a very hilly area and my hands never feel like they're going to just slip off, even when drenched in sweat. The great thing about the human hand - its almost infinitely adaptable. But in regards to the new shifters, I do like that I would be able to fit more fingers around the underside of the lever (currently just 2 1/2), and the improved breaking performance with the revised horizontal brake master cylinder orientation. My older Red levers are very finnicky with regards to contact point adjustment and brake master cylinder stickiness on long hot rides when the shifter body becomes hot due to hours in the sun at temps over 100F.
This was done by Shimano GRX Di2 already. Maybe not quite as long, but it was the same design. It looks good, that's true, but the disadvantage is that it just makes the reach of the bike even longer. When I switched to GRX Di2 I had to shorten the stem by 1cm.
So what we do with ALL other groupsets, which were the best last year and previous years eg Ultegra, DuraAce, Sram, Campagnolo? Do we send them back to dealer? Maybe we get tenner for them?
That’s the feeling these “influencers” want to promote, that you’re out of sync with modern times. From the moment SCAM sends you this groupset your are obliged to use nice adjectives.
@@josediaspinto7438 you have little idea of how it works. We are a shop, that paid the usual trade price. We want to make a video that has to be entertaining and useful. It also needs to offer our own opinion. I am certain that my opinion came across if you watched. It’s an exciting look at what’s to come, it’s expensive, it has faults, but the levers are a genuine step forward that I personally believe every other brand and tier of groupset will follow. Maybe I am wrong. Time will tell.
Do these levers add noticably more reach? With my old sram levers I'm right at the max reach where I'm confortable at. Were the new ones any longer I'd need a new cockpit on top of the new expensive levers...
Interesting. When I go down a tricky part, I use the drops, NOT the hoods. Gives me a full pull on the lever. I just saved myself a LOT of money, I presume... Rgr
@@Mapdec personally I want the opposite. I want the reach adjustment as close as possible to the bars. When I am on the drops I want the levers as accessible as possible for when I need them. Makes more sense to me that levers are the easiest to reach when I am riding my hardest, I.e descending fastest....this is when I need brakes the most, and don't want to loosen grip to reach them. How does the closest reach adjustment compare on the new Sram to Dura Ace/Ultegra?
@@pollythedog4914 the biggest difference is that on Shimano as you bring the levers close you loose a lot of initial bite, and the contact adjust doesn’t really do anything meaningful. Most folk just wind it all the out
the only drawback for me (a tiny one at that even if it is one) is the little plastic/rubber cover over the reach adjust looks like it might come loose and get lost very quickly because its so small and so exposed for a tiny removable part? dont suppose you guys have already checked this out and with being hands on this is a null and void niggle?
"when things get a bit chosy"?? .....1:48.....i infer what it means, but also have no idea what it means. thanks for continuing to provide layers of info on this new groupset....even if it gets a bit dirty
Given the Sram revolutionized the body design for both large and small hands when it comes to control and braking, they need to revise the rubber hoods for better grip and control as you mentioned the hood material is not as good as shimano. Firmer rubber material and better textured grip on the underside of hoods suitable for all weather or wearing gloves.
If you have the lever in that setting (all the way out from drops) you can barely touch them in the drops with 1 finger, like you show afterwards. I rather can comfortable touch them in my drops
I realized this detail by the pictures as i am currently running the previous Force Groupset and i know how tight the spacer is. . I wonder if there is a company that can make replacement lever blades to update the current groupsets. Im thinking for the current Force or Rival groupsets.
For my money, and thick fingers, i don't know that this will be all that useful. I can barely get 2 fingers under a "normal" hood so I've gotten used to controlling the bike with a less positive grip. Having more space just kicks the lever further away, which can be frustrating to descents when you're on the drops.
I don't see how this is any different to other lever designs that allow for reach adjust? The amount of adjustment is no different to the shimano stuff I'm running now
What's with this recent obsession with braking with only one finger? Especially from the hoods. I mean aside from technical off-road riding, where in some extreme situations having more fingers on the grips and less on the brake levers could make a difference, even on the crappiest and/or steepest roads I've ever ridden (which are worse than your typical British roads) I've never had any bike control issue whatsoever when using two or even three fingers to brake. Also, the further down the brake lever your fingers are, the better the leverage, so why would you want to brake with your index finger instead of the middle and ring ones? Also, assuming you ride on a really bumpy road that would - for the sake of the argument - justify holding the hoods with as many fingers as possible while braking, what do you do when your only braking finger slips off the brake lever because of those exact bumps? I'm sorry, but these levers solve a problem that either only few suffer from or is largely exaggerated. Robbie McEwen's point about improved reaction times in the peloton is arguably valid, so long as this new lever shape actually has a significant impact on that front - which I am pretty sure nobody has thoroughly evaluated yet.
You're making something out of nothing. I've never had a problem like this. Of course now I've just added to your reason for putting up this nonsense, more clicks.
You just never noticed it. It’s like having power steering on your car. Everyone thought it wasn’t a problem until it was on every car ever and now can’t live without it. .
Never use sram again poor customer service I'll stick to dura ace mercanical plus the price are they having a laugh you can buy a bike for that price dream on
Weird, its the same price as DA Di2 was at launch, and its cheaper than SR, but yes, you can buy a pretty reasonable bathroom suite and holiday in Disney Land for less.
