The 2017 Astros Didn't Need To Cheat

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The 2017 Houston Astros are a team knee deep in infamy. They will forever be plagued by the revelation that they implemented an organization wide operation to illegally steal opposing teams signs using technology. Unfortunately, one aspect of this team that will now forever be overlooked is their elite pitching staff, who it could be argued, was the real reason they were able to make it through the gauntlet of postseason baseball on top.
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4:08 Justin Verlander
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@nomorefielders 6 месяцев назад

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@Adam-er5mk 6 месяцев назад

That they absolutely didn't need to cheat to win makes the fact that they did cheat that much worse to me.

@beckettschuchts4275 Месяц назад

i dont think so. you would dislike it the same or more if it was the margin of victory

@wesleyantrim6648 6 месяцев назад

The fact that they didn’t need to cheat is the main reason they get so much public backlash. They were a likable team that was easy to root for. I’ve been a ranger fan for 40 years, and even I was rooting for them in 2017. The general public was behind them, and when the news broke that they cheated, a lot of people felt stabbed in the back. Astro fans can complain all day about being hated, but it was a purely self inflicted wound.

@elijahcraig7976 Месяц назад

Bro Astros were a scapegoat. We weren’t the only ones. Obviously there were other teams doing it before and after the stros. They just wanted to blame a non coastal elite team

@wesleyantrim6648 Месяц назад

@@elijahcraig7976 ok. Doesn’t change my sentiment at all.

@elijahcraig7976 Месяц назад

@@wesleyantrim6648why? If other teams are cheating and you beat other cheating teams while cheating who cares?why don’t the 2018 redsox get more flak? We won in 2022 so it really doesn’t matter. Kiss the rings

@wesleyantrim6648 Месяц назад

@@elijahcraig7976 because the Red Sox and Yankees have been around for a century and pretty much everybody had already formed an opinion on them. They either love them or hate them. No cheating scandal was gonna drastically alter how the general public viewed them. The Astros were virtually a clean slate. There was no reason for anyone to hate them on a national level. So when the 2017 team came along with what was an incredibly likable team, basically everybody outside of Southern California was rooting for them to kick the dodger’s ass. And people felt betrayed. I’m not saying it’s fair that Houston caught the lion’s share of the scrutiny, but it is what it is.

@beckettschuchts4275 Месяц назад

thats disingenous. backlash would be the same no matter what

@salamanderonhere 6 месяцев назад

Drumming up controversy? I hope he prides himself and thinks of himself as a man of faith

@jamesesterline 6 месяцев назад

He prides himself as a man of faith, as there's a drive into deep left field by Castellanos and that'll be a home run. And so that'll make it a 4-0 ballgame.

@SconnerStudios 6 месяцев назад

@@jamesesterline funniest moment in sports history. The man may have been a bigot, but dammit if he wasn't dedicated to delivering us play by play.

@smoceany9478 6 месяцев назад

@@SconnerStudios hes got all the qualities i want in a worker, except respecting me as a human being

@thecaveman3503 6 месяцев назад

What does being someone of faith have to do with a damn thing?

@smoceany9478 6 месяцев назад

@@thecaveman3503 its a reference to thom brennamans apology

@DeathGrip1202 6 месяцев назад

Yeah, and that's probably what makes it such a Greek tragedy: we won't ever know because, even though they likely would have won, they still brought the questions upon themselves by cheating.

@Trevorlahey365 6 месяцев назад

Still a little shaken up at the news that Jed lowrie was an Astro

@callumcameron7983 6 месяцев назад

Oakland Legend

@Opnicop 3 месяца назад

Astro 2x 2nd time couldn’t stay healthy so Correa got called up

@Zacg01 6 месяцев назад

2017 Astro's pitchers had military grade magnets in their baseballs and catchers mitt. This clearly affected pitch speed, spin rates, and pitch locations and you completely overlooked this fact.

@Mr.DerekReese 6 месяцев назад

😅😅😅

@zymarquiez 6 месяцев назад

No kidding.

@ChrisJohnson3563. 3 месяца назад

I agree with this 100%. If they didn't cheat, they would've still had a successful season. Would they still have won the WS? I'm not sure. Everyone wants to criticise the offense for cheating but forget just how elite their pitching was that year. It's debatable that the Yankees were robbed of a WS appearance, but they only scored 3 runs on the road against the Astros with no multi run games. The Dodgers, on the other hand, I feel less bad for because they still lost 2 games at home where the Astros were not able to steal signs which is another point to drive on why they didn't need to cheat. Both teams were robbed to a degree, but I think the Yankees were robbed harder (because they held a 3-2 ALCS lead after game 5).

@shoukatsukai Месяц назад

The Astros scored more runs in 1 road game that series than the Yankees did in 4.

@RetroBaseball 6 месяцев назад

wonderful video sir!

@nomorefielders 6 месяцев назад

Thank you, king

@thecaveman3503 6 месяцев назад

Stop watching and commenting and make videos again please!

@AndThatsBaseball 6 месяцев назад

Broke: The Dodgers would've won the World Series Broke: The Yankees would've won the World Series Broke: The Red Sox would've won the World Series Woke: The Angels would've won the World Series

@ygf377 6 месяцев назад

You could make an argument the dodgers could have won the world series considering how close games 2 and 5 where

@SaltoDaKid 6 месяцев назад

@@ygf377could make argument if Astros wasn’t winning it would motivate Marines Angels into starting their own dynasty

@deleting1118 6 месяцев назад

@@ygf377game 2 was on the road

@nomorefielders 6 месяцев назад

Galaxy Brained: Diamondbacks would’ve won the World Series if the dodgers didn’t Monstar JD Martinez to oblivion

@slayermcrx7519 2 месяца назад

I'm an Astros fan and I was so happy that I was able to see them win their first championship unaware of how long they struggled to do anything for most of their history. I was devastated when the scandal broke but I held faith because they were still a great team despite the cheating. they proved me right because they won legit in 2022 with what I think was an even better roster thank 2017.

@MrPooly1459 6 месяцев назад

My thoughts exactly.

@YanksJetsRangers 5 месяцев назад

1:21 I don’t think you can say this when the series went to game 7

@lifeisboss7097 Месяц назад

the astros could of forfeited 3 games for fun and still won that series. as a padres fan I know that run differential or any of that BS matters. If you can't score runs every other game, dont expect to be over 500

@Aspect46 4 месяца назад

Id love to see the WS Royals pls❤

@nomorefielders 4 месяца назад

Deal. I’ll take any excuse I can get to talk about Edinson Volquez

@Aspect46 4 месяца назад

@@nomorefielders thank you !!

@SconnerStudios 6 месяцев назад

7:56 It's almost like...something changed....maybe his spin rate went up a little bit? He got better sticky stuff I bet. Someone in the Astro's organization probably created a great substance to up all their pitchers' spin rates.

@nomorefielders 6 месяцев назад

Hey technically it was legal at the team

@thecaveman3503 6 месяцев назад

It's almost like, it's was perfectly legal in mlb at the time😂

@silentstorm5439 6 месяцев назад

That's definitely one of my theories about the Astros. There was a lot of guys that came in that were meh and became good all of a sudden. I do think they had better sticky stuff than everyone else

@thecaveman3503 6 месяцев назад

@silentstorm5439 you're probably right, doesn't mean they cheated tho as there were no guidelines for that in mlb at the time. Reminds me of another time so many still grumble over even tho what those hitters did was perfectly legal at the time as well😂😂😂😂

@silentstorm5439 6 месяцев назад

@@thecaveman3503 oh yeah lol i ain't saying they cheated by it. It took the MLB a couple of years to finally ban the substances. All teams were using it at the time, but the Astros definitely seem like they created the best one

@Sophiagracedent07 6 месяцев назад

getting my popcorn ready for the comments 🍿

@nomorefielders 6 месяцев назад

Make sure it’s extra salty

@Smarod 23 дня назад

I'm a man of few words ao all I'll say is I'm hype

@commandershepard4471 6 месяцев назад

Im a lifelong Stros fan. I remember as a child my bedtime was when Brad Lidge came up to pitch. The fact that the Stros are used as a scapegoat for cheating in the MLB is wild. So many teams cheated and “got away with it” over the years such as the Yankees/Reds/Giants/Jankees. I love baseball but Good Lord, so many teams want every advantage they get and some scrape by and some get caught red handed. That’s how it works.

@SenorTortas 6 месяцев назад

I'm so sorry you had to go through that

@bmac4 6 месяцев назад

Gaylord Perry admitted to cheating and got in the HoF. We had that whole spidertack incident. I don't like the Astros, but it's not because of the cheating, cause who cares that much about that? So many teams benefitted from the steroid era, it'd be kinda hypocritical. They got their punishment, it probably should have been more than it was, but anyone up in arms about serious moral complications obviously hasn't watched this sport for very long, it's not something I'm gonna spend that much time dwelling on.

@Mr.DerekReese 6 месяцев назад

@@bmac4outta curiosity, why don't you like the Astros anyway?

@WhatHappenedtoBaseball 6 месяцев назад

2:27 who is this guy??

@nomorefielders 6 месяцев назад

A dead man

@bradenstewart6270 6 месяцев назад

Sponsorship No Fielders looking like Rock Star Jesus on his way to Jerusalem

@nomorefielders 6 месяцев назад

He’s gonna suffer the same fate as him if he keeps doing my ad reads without my permission.

@jbryant5253 2 месяца назад

That RHCP rap sample is 🔥🔥🔥

@OH_MY_DOGGG 6 месяцев назад

One little voice is calling me

@MrHow2fail 6 месяцев назад

No chance we beat NY with that bullpen

@EpicGamer14_ 5 месяцев назад

The fact that they didn’t need to cheat makes it even worse that they did. Also I’m a Yankees fan, yeah they didn’t score but it’s so frustrating that they got so close despite the team they were facing cheating. Did they deserve to win? Probably not. Is it frustrating? Absolutely.

@witgiz2868 6 месяцев назад

nice vid, sorry i’m late

@nomorefielders 6 месяцев назад

No worries, Witgiz

@tomcruze7898 6 месяцев назад

Yea they did 😂😂

@SconnerStudios 6 месяцев назад

I agree with the title of this video. However, before watching the full video, I think it's important we should all agree that regardless of the effect, cheating is wrong and we should put the * next to their world series win because they knew they were doing wrong. It's sad that they probably could have never used a single trash can bang and still won. Corked bats have virtually no effect on distance and power, and until we have AI stealing signs to make sign stealing more effective, sign stealing probably has very little, if any, advantage for knowing a pitch a quarter of a second before it's thrown. Spider tack and steroids however should be met with much serious punishments. I'm curious what the pitchers were using on their balls in 2017-2019, considering Trevor Bauer earned the scorn of MLB for calling them out for it. I bet Verlander has been loading the ball with tack for most of his career. Umps should be testing the balls way more often, and give them half a season suspension for their first offense. Yeah, I'm mad that Zack Greinke has pitched better than all these other pitchers of the past 20 years, but hasn't gotten the credit because he's one of the very, very, very, few in MLB not using tack.

@ygf377 6 месяцев назад

The problem with sticky stuff and steroids is that everyone was using it so you can't say that cheating is a unfair dissadvantage. That said the numbers show that sign stealing isn't very effective which is likely why the team stpoed doing it

@xstros9086 6 месяцев назад

if you aint cheatin are you really trying?

@thecaveman3503 6 месяцев назад

To long fell asleep

@SconnerStudios 6 месяцев назад

@@thecaveman3503 *two

@naihuakuo 6 месяцев назад

didnt need to, but did anyways

@Zacg01 6 месяцев назад

I feel personally victimized by No More Fielders

@nomorefielders 6 месяцев назад

I think I pretended that I was talking to you during the Keuchel rant

@freddyandfoxy7526 6 месяцев назад

You probably right about that. But they decided to be idiots and said oh we should cheat.

@shoukatsukai 6 месяцев назад

Hun they were the only ones to be dumb enough to get caught. Stop believing they were the only ones doing it

@intune252 6 месяцев назад

@@shoukatsukai bro they had a fucking illegal camera in center field😂find me evidence of other teams having one that isn't just he said she said(and don't tell me the yankees or red sox because they didn't install a fucking camera and trash cans just to cheat)

@shoukatsukai 6 месяцев назад

@@intune252 it doesn't matter the method they use, all 3 teams were caught cheating using cameras. So who's not to say they were the only 3 teams were doing it

@glovepro1256 Месяц назад

OK Astros fans… they didn’t need to cheat. HOWEVER, they did. The fact that they had a good team doesn’t mean they can cheat and be excused for it.

@shoukatsukai 6 месяцев назад

I need a video on how the 2019 Astros were the best team ever to not win the World Series

@wesleyantrim6648 6 месяцев назад

They’re not even the best team in my lifetime to not win the World Series. The A’s in both 1988 and 1990 take that honor.

@shoukatsukai 6 месяцев назад

@@wesleyantrim6648 -124 team wRC+ is the 2nd best in the integration era behind this year's Braves - 7 guys had an OPS+ over 120 -Their number 1 and 2 starting pitchers were Top 2 Cy Young finishers, way ahead of the other finishers. -Their number 3 was a Hall of Famer at the tail end of his prime The A's teams from 1990 comes the closest but its not particularly comparable. Also Bob Welch shouldn't have won Cy Young over Roger Clemens that year.

@rico9163 6 месяцев назад

@@wesleyantrim6648 statistically this is not true, and I can't go off of "the eye test" since I wasn't alive then

@SaltoDaKid 6 месяцев назад

Feel like too many dumb casual just screaming cheating automatically makes you winner. When it’s combination of skill and cheating.

@dafttassia1960 6 месяцев назад

That year's didgers were unbelievable. Would have beaten them for sure

@manzac112 6 месяцев назад

Game 2 and Game 7 say otherwise.

@jasonfire3434 6 месяцев назад

@@manzac112if not for that ridiculous Game 5 we win in 6

@intune252 6 месяцев назад

Real Yankee fans know the reason we lost is because we scored 3 runs in 4 games in Houston it's pretty simple. Thing is that there's always fallacy of predetermined outcome and losing to cheaters is gonna make you feel bitter. But 2022 made me and a lot of fans realize it wasn't the cheating that made us lose, because between 2017 and 2022, Judge was the only hitter that remained, yet it felt like I was watching the same team. And of course Brian Cashman will find some way to blame his team's inability to win when it matters on anything that doesn't involve him and his giga 1 million IQ brain, idk why you're surprised about that. But yeah any sane Yankees fan will tell you we were close and it hurts to lose but our offense collapsed and we lost. Dodgers though got absolutely robbed, I remember telling my friend the day after game 5 that the game was so dramatic and perfect it almost seemed scripted. Sucks for them

@beckettschuchts4275 Месяц назад

the only reason this astros team gets such a bad reputation for this stuff that other teams have done to is because of how stupid and obvious the trash can shit is