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The Houston Astros sign stealing scandal is the biggest story of the 2019-20 MLB offseason. It is probably the biggest case of MLB sign stealing in history. The Ken Rosenthal Astros story broke things open, but don't forget his co-author Evan Drellich! This huge MLB cheating will not be going away any time soon. Not with all the Astros cheating compilation s floating around.
We'll talk about the 2017 Astros cheating, the 2017 Astros sign stealing, Mike Fiers Astros, and Danny Farquhar Astros, who noticed the Astros trash can banging. We also talk about the unknown. Did the Astros cheat the World Series? Tough to say.
This video features a guest appearance from Jomboy of Jomboy Media. His Astros cheating breakdown has received over 6.3 million views! It all culminates into one of the most ambitious episodes of Baseball Bits (a Foolish Baseball production) yet. I hope you all enjoy it!
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@isodorf 4 года назад

Knock knock Who's there? Changeup

@curiosity_23 4 года назад

Isodorf god dam best knock knock joke I’ve heard in years 😂

@wsmokr 4 года назад

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

@JeffreydelosSantosINFP 4 года назад

Too funny hahahahhahaha

@theseattlesound1 4 года назад

I like the scandal! Keep going

@aaroncantu22 4 года назад

Change up

@markforbus6794 4 года назад

Imagine if Barry Bonds knew every time you were throwing a fastball.

@shigsho 4 года назад

Especially roided out!

@michaelhassler7446 4 года назад

A double cheater, the only way you could sleep at night is because you are rich. Not a person I would trust as a friend. I prefer poor people who have a conscience and moral standards.

@yo18momas 4 года назад

Michael Hassler alright calm down, it’s not that deep 😂😂

@007Julie 4 года назад

Dom but it is deep, these cheaters make hundreds of millions of dollars and we only demand of them to be good players, and honest and turns out they can't even be neither.

@michaelhassler7446 4 года назад

It's about character and the kind of people you choose to associate with and trust, that's why I have few friends, I have to know if they are trustworthy and worth the time, and if you compromise on anything you most likely will not have my back when it matters. If you are only about you, then you don't deserve what I give to a friendship.

@circa2388 3 года назад

Clayton Kershaw threw 51 breaking balls/sliders in game 5 and didn't get a single swing and miss. That's just nuts

@RealUNRL 2 года назад

Yk they didn’t do it during the postseason

@breadstickboss4358 2 года назад

@@RealUNRL they did, there’s just no concrete proof of it. Why would they have stopped anyways

@bradydavis3121 2 года назад

@@breadstickboss4358 so they did something but with no evidence, makes sense

@tylerlackey1175 2 года назад

@@bradydavis3121 yes generally people don't want to be caught breaking the rules yeah?

@claytonramsey1092 Год назад

@@breadstickboss4358 I would agree that it doesn’t make sense for them to stop but they would definitely need to use a different cue then the trash can in the playoffs. Way too loud in a full stadium

@beerthug 3 года назад

The best part was that weird/cool pitcher, Grienkie? knowing his guys were cheating so he tells the batter whats coming to even it up! Pure class.

@janestill2588 2 года назад

Love that guy

@baseballhooligan454 2 года назад

I heard him say he plans on becoming a garbage man instead of an MLB pitcher. Maybe he was making a joke about 🗑?

@acornacorn 2 года назад

@@baseballhooligan454 he’s said that even before he played for them. He’s just weird

@xerozx2 2 года назад

@@baseballhooligan454 no he was actually serious. zack greinke is a god

@Alexander_Grant 2 года назад

@@xerozx2 Greinke is so good for baseball. It’s a sport for weirdos and he embodies it so well. My high school team named a bat after a town one of us hit a home run in, Jena, and would give her a kiss before going to the plate. We each had our own celebrations with each other, and none of this to mention the array of characters I had coaching travel ball. Love that guy.

@zioncommand 4 года назад

Thud thud... Batter: Oh, is a changeup. Pitcher: *drills batter in face with fastball*

@williamkeller5836 4 года назад

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

@thanatos2730 4 года назад

Not really funny

@thanatos2730 4 года назад

William Keller stfu

@zioncommand 4 года назад

@@thanatos2730 it's pretty funny

@williamkeller5836 4 года назад

@@thanatos2730 ur mom is gay

@theyoshi202 3 года назад

“You can’t cheat for a whole season and get away with it” Astros: *haha trashcans go bang*

@mbautista_06 3 года назад

haha buzzers go buzz buzz

@fatalhug5998 3 года назад

Kurt22 Boss of this baseball company: I go your suspected

@jojo539 3 года назад

And they got exposed this season

@richardpattarozzi8975 3 года назад

@@jojo539 didn’t they make the ALCS

@jojo539 3 года назад

@@richardpattarozzi8975 didn’t their offense suck this year?

@vince1614 3 года назад

Who came back here after the Dodgers won the World Series? Astros fans: “Well the Dodgers had it easy. They got to play against someone who doesn’t cheat.” lmao

@ceooflag7246 3 года назад

HAHA

@jacksbee8809 3 года назад

“60 game season doesn’t count” -Astros fan somewhere

@ceooflag7246 3 года назад

@@jacksbee8809 😂

@adln7335 3 года назад

@@jacksbee8809 giants fans too

@Gg-et8gp 3 года назад

We cool we still have the one from 2017 so. 😂😂🖕🖕

@justinsexsanguination2639 3 года назад

It’s funny how Astros’ fans refuse to accept that the Astros are one of the most hated teams. They think that only the Dodgers are pissed and are oblivious that virtually every team hates them.

@anaarias9809 3 года назад

as an astros fan, i know we are hated but we get blamed for what the team did but we had no control over their actions

@ivanooze1049 3 года назад

@@anaarias9809 Can you prove that it wasn't you banging on the trash can though?

@anaarias9809 3 года назад

@@ivanooze1049 why would it be me individually? as a team i can’t speak for them lol

@ivanooze1049 3 года назад

@@anaarias9809 I was joking lol

@DioStreams 3 года назад

I worked at Yankee Stadium as a security guard for the 2019 postseason, and yep, the fans were absolutely ruthless. Had to kick out a handful of folks both Yankee and Astro fans because it was getting nuclear.

@StarsDie88 4 года назад

"Can you really suspend an entire baseball team?" -- Yes. Yes you can.

@bobheck7303 4 года назад

@Colonel Radec 100%!!!!!!

@bobheck7303 4 года назад

@Camo Dude DESERVING RAISE!

@battlefieldfan3459 4 года назад

This is worst than the black Sox scandal so yes screw that I hate the astros because of this shit and the only way to fix that is to reboot the whole team honestly

@kurumauzamaki2731 4 года назад

Colonel Radec but that’ll kill the players career especially pitchers

@terraveo1 4 года назад

No, because 21 players now work for other teams

@DarthEvilicus 4 года назад

It’s like a magic trick. Hard to pick up at first but once you know the trick it’s painfully obvious

@shermanngjazz 3 года назад

This whole thing is so upsetting even though I'm a Giants/Mariners fan. The Astros were supposed be the new heroes of baseball finally breaking their curse, but now they're biggest villains that everyone wants to see fail.

@pokejammerz 2 года назад

They just failed

@Sethf2222 2 года назад

@@pokejammerz thank god

@TenshinhanIsKing Год назад

Lol you’re a giants/mariners fan? Never understood people who root for multiple teams.

@brendonbuffaloe8830 Год назад

The Yankees, Red Sox, and Dodgers all cheated too. Nobody hates them as much because they just didn’t win the WS.

@cameronburke4836 Год назад

Wow Altuve was cheating and had no regret

@connorleahy2792 3 года назад

As a Dodger fan, I would love to see them do a reverse ring ceremony. Where they line everyone up and take away their rings at an away game like they hand them out at home games.

@LiverpoolOfficial 3 года назад

LMAO

@ahp2825 2 года назад

LOL, Says the Dodger fan that lost games at home when it mattered. I would like to see the Dodgers turn in their rings for 2020 because everyone played half the season.

@christianjackson2149 2 года назад

@@ahp2825 false equivalence. The Dodgers didn’t cheat The Astros did and tainted the sport

@ceststuffed6809 2 года назад

Cry about it y'all lost

@estherxia6846 2 года назад

Also, I want to their trophies being taken away and get rid of their champion title

@danielmccammon5166 3 года назад

Pete rose gambling- life time ban Astros cheating to win a title- immunity

@chrispotter3190 3 года назад

It’s pretty bs isn’t it. There’s no explanation. It’s almost as if the mlb condones cheating

@Sparkball 3 года назад

Cole Parker Manfred is a piece of shit

@LordTeaboBaggins 3 года назад

Cole Parker They do condone it. But only if you get away with it. Then it’s “gamesmanship”, and baseball historians chuckle over it. See: 1951 NY Giants

@edspillers4399 3 года назад

MLB hypocrisy

@dantehaskell5688 3 года назад

Shoeless joe takes money and dosent through the series ban for life

@jessicaanderson750 4 года назад

"Can you really suspend an entire baseball team if everyone was in on it?" *laughs in black sox*

@lakess 4 года назад

Now that's a good one

@MetFanMac 4 года назад

Why? The Black Sox were nine players, not the whole team.

@Seaseahawks57 4 года назад

MetFanMac pretty big chunk of the team if you ask me.

@MetFanMac 4 года назад

Miles Black Nine players =/= entire team. That's all I said. (Also I was confused, it was eight White Sox plus a player from the Browns who knew about the fix and used it to place bets.)

@tigremalabarista3461 4 года назад

*laughs* they’re not going to. Not when the Yankees got busted cheating this year...

@macthepatriot3474 2 года назад

POV: I am watching this 3 hours before Game 1 of the 2021 World Series

@stevesand8845 2 года назад

I am watching this after game 4 in Atlanta when there was a TON of whistling…. But it was probably Braves fans just trying to screw with astros

@reidmichaelson7260 2 года назад

@@stevesand8845 watching this while braves are about to win World Series

@isaacdavid3650 2 года назад

@@reidmichaelson7260 that didn’t age well

@boada7631 2 года назад

In watching this 1 hours before the game 6 lol

@boada7631 2 года назад

@@reidmichaelson7260 when?

@casino7623 2 года назад

When this happened, I was still pretty new to baseball, so I thought the Astros were *literally* stealing signs from the ballpark😂

@casino7623 2 года назад

@Josh Bowen *was

@Elizabethvelasquez9321 2 года назад

😂😂

@Wilsbourne 2 года назад

@Josh Bowen Yes. You have never in your entire life misunderstood anything or thought something incredibly dumb. You've had an IQ of 175 since the day you were born and have never ever ever made a mistake. Indeed, you are the perfect human being, free of error.

@DatBoiChucklez 2 года назад

@Josh Bowen that was unnecessary

@PeaceUpH-Town Год назад

😂 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@disgruntledyoutuber 4 года назад

Do you think MLB the Show 2020 will add a trash can mechanic to the game?

@aidanlebeau6459 4 года назад

Disgruntled RU-vidr I think so... and you can only do it as the astros at home, hit the right trigger to bang for the pitch.

@jeffgo5742 4 года назад

Disgruntled RU-vidr I think teams are stealing my signs now. They smash everything I throw

@tmctechnology6396 4 года назад

They better at least make the announcers say something about them cheating

@aidanlebeau6459 4 года назад

tmctechnology there’s banging in the dugout.

@corneliojerez1791 4 года назад

Disgruntled RU-vidr 😂 touché

@misesmedicine 4 года назад

MLB putting full games online is one of the best moves they've ever made.

@ritzkola2302 4 года назад

misesmedicine where

@thomasyuile745 4 года назад

Yeah where

@matbur81 4 года назад

???

@explodyz 4 года назад

@@ritzkola2302 on their youtube channel. They are easy to find just look up your team name and a date or opponents team (for example, red sox vs Dodgers 2018, or red sox 6/05/19)

@elijahmascarenas9552 4 года назад

Did these people even watch the video

@mamaluigi2064 2 года назад

The way that the league handled this was just a complete embarrassment to baseball And pretty much just summed up why the game is struggling to attract attention These days

@MrPhilbert1981 2 года назад

I agree... to completely ignore comments from a Dodgers employee to Tom Verducci that they were cheating much worse makes it appear to be uneven enforcement of the rules...

@drbryant23 3 года назад

14.37 Marwyn Gonzalez, who had been a "meh" hitter up to that point, went absolutely ballistic that season. EXACTLY, because they were cheating. He never again hit like that and he never will.

@Voltage-rs7op Год назад

Can you not just give somebody credit for a good season? His home road splits are crazy he still hit extremely well on the road.

@drbryant23 Год назад

@@Voltage-rs7op I think that Marwin Gonzalez is a serviceable player and in interviews, he comes across as a good man, which is what is important. But, looking coldly at the numbers, his 2017 OPS of .907 is insanely higher than the .689 he averaged during the other ten years of his career.

@zikalokof1challenge414 Год назад

@@drbryant23 You cant compare a stat from a single season to an average, since one bad or good season within the math compared to the average can really change the averaged stat for better or for worse, giving false impressions

@zikalokof1challenge414 Год назад

@@drbryant23 You were talking about Marwin Gonzalez on the post I responded

@TheToad075 Год назад

No dude, we should give the cheaters the benefit of the doubt. It doesn't matter that his only fantastic season coincided with when they were proven to be cheating, he was just on fire through totally legit means

@jefffinkbonner9551 4 года назад

0:19 Imagine having to cheat to beat the Mariners 😂😂😂

@qotw8846 4 года назад

Jeff Finkbonner 😂

@yeyeet4600 4 года назад

Jeff Finkbonner as a mariners fan, this one hurt😔😂

@thebigman9705 4 года назад

Ye Yeet im still waiting for when we can get to a world series lmao.

@lxn_ni1814 4 года назад

I hate you lmao

@theonewhoknocks5672 3 года назад

As a Mariners fan, yes.

@BOTStar 4 года назад

The colab we've all been waiting for!

@FoolishBaseball 4 года назад

Agreed. Good to finally see myself and the Cave Story soundtrack together.

@AcesArchives 4 года назад

lol

@mikepalmer1676 4 года назад

@@FoolishBaseball Can't believe it took you so long to use it, that soundtrack slaps 😤

@Omar_listenin 6 месяцев назад

punishment for the players ended up being nothing. I still can't believe they got to keep their 2017 ring. Absurd

@noahhess4955 3 года назад

This is now my favorite channel on RU-vid. Thanks for doing this man I get a lot of enjoyment out of this

@Bajie_Smuggler 4 года назад

What should happen: Caught cheating = world series removed from them. Bans on known persons. What will happen: A token suspension, a coach will be made the fallout guy

@degacci 4 года назад

So true

@oscarbaseball376 4 года назад

Exactly what happened

@twodumbcats390 4 года назад

Wow do you have Pennywise's phone number, because you called it.

@pen5666 4 года назад

the owner probbally payed mlb

@thedistantprinceinyouremai6345 4 года назад

Not even a token suspension lol

@SylviusTheMad 4 года назад

Appropriate punishment: Make them put the hill back in Minute Maid Park.

@bluemarshmallow5927 4 года назад

They sucked while it was there so yes

@MamaMama-em6pg 4 года назад

I agree

@deebest2913 4 года назад

Lol I'm surprised y'all still talking about this. Go Stros 🤘

@raoulduke2513 4 года назад

And make them call it Enron Field again.

@yellowflamegaulent3902 4 года назад

They where forced to take it down

@The.Razmuz 3 года назад

Great video, completely disagree with the arguments against removing their title. It is absolutely necessary to discourage this kind of unsportsmanlike behavior. The very essence of sports is that we compete against each other on a level playing field. It’s what we teach kids from an early age. Letting them get away with it signals that we don’t prioritize fairness over winning, which is catastrophic. Manfred should have had the balls to step up and show what kind of leader he is as commissioner of the league, but instead he acted cowardly. Sad to know that’s the guy in charge of baseball at the moment.

@tylerlackey1175 2 года назад

@@lostalone9320 "surely nobody will do bad things as long as we say they shouldn't" - a literal 6 year old

@zikalokof1challenge414 Год назад

@@tylerlackey1175 If they dont make rules, they cant enforce them, its that simple. If they do, the team can just go to court and say "well, what we did was not prohibited by the rulebook, which means that it was completely legal". Trust me, people like these exist on this world

@clarkkent1616 Год назад

tbf isn’t the investigation still ongoing ?

@dingers5days 4 года назад

*This week, on a very special Baseball Bits...* Also, the Phillies used a buzzer system in 1900 to steal signs.

@FoolishBaseball 4 года назад

It's those darn buzzers

@floridaman6281 4 года назад

Dingers5Days I read it as “buzzard” at first and was surprised how they got, trained, and used a bird to steal signs

@MrRyan-wu4jx 4 года назад

Joey W I wouldn’t even be mad about that. Developing a subtle system of cheating vultures would probably take even more work than getting really good at baseball.

@sepultura7771 4 года назад

Mr. Ryan America is run by cheating vultures

@david-cu5zt 3 года назад

can't wait for a movie about this lol

@pakesanders5272 3 года назад

If it’s not titled “Houston Asterisks” or something along those lines. Imma be heated

@chrisdouglas6119 3 года назад

“Cheater Ball”

@buddabellyboom 3 года назад

"Garbage Men"

@erikzherrllo6960 3 года назад

The title should be “Cans and Fast Balls, the Orange team cheating Tale”

@BooneOnTilt 3 года назад

CanBall

@napoleantntgaming5265 9 месяцев назад

Truly the greatest crossover of all time, Jomboy Media and Foolish Baseball

@sweettoof9002 2 года назад

Foolish you are in my top 5 channels. Love your content, bro.

@jarrodschulz9611 4 года назад

I’ve never clicked on a notification so fast before. It was Tim Locastro fast. Zoom

@FoolishBaseball 4 года назад

Are you also an international art thief?

@jarrodschulz9611 4 года назад

Foolish Baseball Please don’t reveal my secrets like this 😉

@Anno023 4 года назад

I clicked on it as fast as 8th inning angry Justin Verlander

@edmundlewandowski4189 4 года назад

But first. Wanna see Tim Locastro race Albert Pujols.

@raishauntanner4206 4 года назад

Clicked faster than my squad banging on trash cans

@16jakeshaws70 4 года назад

the worst part abt this, they had no regrets, they never really felt sorry

@jarryd8167 3 года назад

Their arrogance is palpable

@1MinuteFlipDoc 3 года назад

cheating for success (and money) goes a long way!

@White_Recluse 3 года назад

Chads

@Gg-et8gp 3 года назад

Altuve never did it due to many studies so I understand him however everyone else I agree

@DevinPlaysitAll 3 года назад

King shit

@fetusthegreat9797 6 месяцев назад

Dropping this after the rangers won the 2023 world series. I'm a Rangers fan deep in Astros territory and the fastest way to turn friendly banter into legit anger from a stros fan is to even mention a trashcan.

@benn454 6 месяцев назад

Fuck em. They know what they did. They're just too cowardly to admit it.

@nickcalash151 3 года назад

that home run by george springer was so funny, he clobbered that curveball like it was batting practice or a pitching machine 😂😂

@theman1412 3 года назад

Then Toronto gave him $150 million dollars to play for them :)

@juiceboxmania1558 4 года назад

3:49 When you get a girlfriend on May 19th

@FoolishBaseball 4 года назад

looool

@EpicGamer14_ 4 года назад

W of a comment

@edalder2000 4 года назад

Close it down because that comment wins the day.

@galaxia146 4 года назад

LOL

@djlawrence2508 4 года назад

LMFAO

@itin4265 4 года назад

Jomboy broke this wide open with his video. No doubt in my mind, MLB would’ve tried to sweep this under the rug. His video didn’t allow that to happen.

@omalley5196 3 года назад

Lol the athletic was reporting on this former Astros were talking about it and opposing player's. And jomboy media is the deep throat that broke this all open. Uummmmm not even close. I'm a fan of his channel but this was all going to blow up with or without out jomboy. It's foolish to believe he had any part in it. All he did is make a short video on information that was told to the entire world.

@diegoguerreroguillen6476 3 года назад

@@omalley5196 agreed this was happening regardless, I think Jomboy did make it more publicly known early on but like you said it was happening anyway

@GoDbax 3 года назад

The MLB did basically sweep this under the rug regardless

@souvenirsoda5895 2 года назад

no, Jomboy presented an idea of the cheating with buzzers that was proven false. He rode the coattails of the story.

@suzukirider914 2 года назад

Ppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp00

@nowrestlingiq7317 3 года назад

Imagine if this was like back in the 70s when fans ran on the field when altuve hit the Homerun to win the 2019 ALCS a fan just like was celebrating and completely ripped his jersey off and the whole buzzer appeared 😂😂

@mrbean3470 11 месяцев назад

As a Royals fan, in 2015 when the Boys in Blue ripped their hearts out with that magnificent comeback in game 4, I couldn't help but think that that had to be so heartbreaking for the Astros to be that close to winning. But when all this shit went down, I can't tell you how much happier it made me that my guys fucked with their world. I'll go back to watching my crappy baseball team now, thank you.

@ChubyBoi 9 месяцев назад

28-70 💀

@jahilane9907 9 месяцев назад

@@ChubyBoiwe earned our ring

@jakewolf432 4 года назад

already can tell this is gonna be a banger

@FoolishBaseball 4 года назад

Could you please certify it as such? The paperwork is taking forever.

@jakewolf432 4 года назад

Foolish Baseball ditched class to watch this can confirm it is indeed a banger

@benjihuynh2970 4 года назад

A banger on the trash can in the tunnel specifically

@tropicarls 4 года назад

More like a thumper

@gabesachse5391 4 года назад

Foolish Baseball bang bang bang, it is certified offspeed

@Turbo9987 4 года назад

I expect a lot of "stray" balls flying towards Astros' heads next season

@kch7051 4 года назад

absolutely...this league, especially the pitchers, are going to be furious....they better be careful diggn in next year

@leatherface4662 4 года назад

That will be pathetic and childish.

@Turbo9987 4 года назад

@@leatherface4662 What's pathetic and childish is the Astros stealing signs to win baseball games. I don't make the rules.

@kch7051 4 года назад

@@leatherface4662 From your viewpoint sure. I get that. I don't think that applies to MLB opponents, who may have already had a history with them prior to this knowledge. People don't tend to react kindly to cheating against them on this level. There's a lot at stake here. Legacy, leverage with future contracts, endorsements, league leading titles, MVP's...think about it. If you pay any attention to human nature, you can make a safe bet a few of those "message" pitches may wind up in somebody's ribs. We'll see how those guys hit this upcoming season when compared to the "actually knowing what pitch is coming" past seasons.

@gabbyhayes1568 4 года назад

I don’t think drilling someone in the baby back ribs is all that out of line but throwing at a guy’s head could take a life. No game is worth that. I’m as old school as it comes when talking traditional baseball etiquette, but there’s got to be a line you don’t cross.

@christophercudney5896 3 года назад

Based on the history of baseball the only bans have been for gambling. (See black socks and Pete Rose) Cheating to win apparently they don't punish.

@Smithy31 2 года назад

Tbf the NFL allowed this with the Patriots too so it’s not just MLB

@jackmarkson4235 3 года назад

the cave story music as soon as the video starts really sets the mood

@TheSportReel 4 года назад

Let’s wait for the MLB to reply to this one. lol.

@FoolishBaseball 4 года назад

Unlikely!

@kingenchanter7012 4 года назад

Hopefully tho

@JFairhart 4 года назад

TheSportReel - This accusation is fake news. Yanks have the worst fans in baseball.

@williampgalloway 4 года назад

@@JFairhart Cheatstros fan

@kalebthelazer 4 года назад

JFairhart FB is a Braves fan lmao

@RetepAdam 4 года назад

"... and Marwen Gonzalez, who had been a *meh* hitter up to that point, went absolutely ballistic that season!" Hmmm....

@Tiikeo 3 года назад

And hasn’t been anything since then

@theman1412 3 года назад

He's with Alex Cora on the Red Sox now :)

@Drogon7102 3 года назад

Yeah, I'm surprised that didn't raise any alarms to him.

@MrSimmies 3 года назад

According to this dipshit narrator the banging didn't help Gonzalez hit. "Its just that the Astros were a different team in 2017."

@wyattbailey2389 3 года назад

@@MrSimmies lol thats cuz we were. yall can whine and cry abt this scandal all you want but we will always be the 2017 World Champs. Every single mlb team steals signs, hell even my 11 year old little league team did. The 2017 Astros were filthy, and no doubt the best team in the mlb. Springer, Altuve, Correa, Bregman, Yuli... the list goes on and on. Go Stros.

@shaunl446 7 месяцев назад

Your video is awesome! Great approach!

@Speye1577 6 месяцев назад

Punishment should have been: - 2017 titles stripped - Banner taken down - All players and coaches are banned for a minimum half season - Yankees V Dodgers BO7 during the 2020 offseason for the world series (2017 title).

@andy18cruz_ 4 года назад

Bang bang, they stole the signs. Bang bang, They hit the ball. Bang bang, that awful sound Bang bang, Them Astros filmed me down

@FoolishBaseball 4 года назад

nicely done

@mkadoza 4 года назад

Carlos Correa walkup theme?

@sporer_ 4 года назад

This is one of the best RU-vid comments EVERRRRRRRRRRRRR

@jblong2711 4 года назад

Ball 4. It's like he knows what pitches are coming! What discipline.

@jakelamoreaux634 4 года назад

Bravo!

@alvindarmawan1554 4 года назад

Everyone: "The Astros should be suspended!" MLB: "It's not possible." Everyone: "No, it's necessary."

@Big_Brumma 3 года назад

My mans pulled an Interstellar meme on us

@boo-4478 2 года назад

I love the pixel art you do for the faces

@dmdeester 2 года назад

Thanks Foolish Baseball, this video helped me w/ a sports law project I had to do.

@jonathancassels4835 4 года назад

If you're stealing signs a lot of the time, and it's helping you, you expect to hit better when you're not sign stealing too -- because teams can't effectively scout you.

@Requinix17 4 года назад

Great point

@atomicstorm7006 4 года назад

Requinix17 this is actually genius

@silencesoloud12 4 года назад

Jonathan Cassels it’s also in the head of the pitchers, what do you throw when they know what’s coming?

@jonboy9734 4 года назад

silencesoloud12 wing that shit lol. Screw the signs, pitcher decides what throw .

@Dunkdamonk 4 года назад

@@jonboy9734 Alot of the signs is because the catcher has to know what is coming, so he can set up properly and expect a ball to break or not. Great catchers make great pitchers look even better. Even if a pitcher only throws like 1 pitch, the catcher has to know the location. It's incredible the movement of the ball, and time the pitch reaches the plate. Catchers get crossed up all the time. Sometimes harder to catch than it is to hit.

@ezirpola 3 года назад

I think teams should have a trash can promotion conviently during EVERY SINGLE Astros game!

@luisquezada8079 3 года назад

🤣🤣🤣 that's right Elizabeth

@Redman-2490 3 года назад

If not for covid I guarantee the Rangers would have had Trashcan Day every time they played

@sophiawilliams8650 2 года назад

@Jack. L

@capseamonkey6609 2 года назад

Hey guys

@jaiden3149 2 года назад

@Jack. ok duck who walks up to a lemonade stand

@jcurrran7256 3 года назад

Who’s here after dodgers winning 2020 WS

@lzy3 3 года назад

lol

@kanelandes3485 3 года назад

Must be nice to play fair baseball

@shanegaskill1739 3 года назад

OH YEAH BABY

@zachb1344 3 года назад

Are you implying that the Nationals cheated last year

@kanelandes3485 3 года назад

@@zachb1344 nah the astros cheated the dodgers in 2017 the Nationals almost got cheated

@ibombedthemoon 6 месяцев назад

As a punishment, the Astros should be forced to erect a permanent statue of Adolis Garcia, their current owner, in right field somewhere.

@ChazDemNanners 4 года назад

I am a lifelong Astros fan But what they did is absolutely inexcusable

@SandcreekStudios 4 года назад

Blake Smith yeah for real ☹️

@coyotelong4349 4 года назад

@Blake Smith My condolences to you... I'm a Dbacks fan and I can't imagine how it would make me feel knowing my team was doing that.

@marcusarquette1387 4 года назад

@@coyotelong4349 luckily we know for sure the D'backs werent stealing signs lol

@octavioflores3888 4 года назад

You should be ashamed of your team

@AleisterMeowley 4 года назад

Blake Smith I imagine this really sucks for fans like you. Total bummer dude

@jayzrat 4 года назад

Boo them relentlessly at every ball park they visit. At every bat, never stop. Especially surrounding their dugout.

@giornogiovanna2038 4 года назад

As a dodgers fan, we are gonna boo them out the angels stadium next year. Best believe it.

@mansgottaeat2932 4 года назад

booing is not enough ,,, we need field level drunks to shout cheater at the top of their lungs while altuve/bregman/correa are on deck ,,, and even more important we need whole stadium chants of ''cheater'' as they walk to the plate

@aarontempler3213 4 года назад

oh no, not boos.......anything but boos and jeers

@miltonsteele6676 4 года назад

don't boo everytime an astro comes to the plate everyone stamp there feet lol

@swaggy6122 4 года назад

Nah we need to throw beer bottles at their faces & hopefully get a good cut or two in

@ducc764 3 года назад

And yet Pete Rose isn’t in the hall of fame.

@picoxd4339 3 года назад

He bet on some games as a manager after his playing career and never against his team and yet a team who outright stole a chip and directly affected hundreds of games gets like no punishment.

@ElCrab 3 года назад

Because he agreed to a lifetime banned, signed his name to the document, in exchange for MLB not revealing the details. One asshole being a bit less of an asshole than a bunch of other assholes doesn't mean we should suddenly go easy on the first asshole.

@picoxd4339 3 года назад

@@ElCrab not saying to go easy on Pete, just go harder on the astros. I think you misunderstood the point of the comment

@ElCrab 3 года назад

@@picoxd4339: I was replying to the OP, who I'm not sure is arguing exactly the same. I think Pete Rose is exactly where he should be, and that the Astros should have had the book thrown at them. I appreciate that you also think Houston should have been punished more than they were. Cheers.

@uspalcatraz4355 2 года назад

Rose is so overrated.

@ChristianH3742 Год назад

I remember waking up and wondering why random Astros games were recommended to me, then I saw the news on Twitter lol

@NewWaveFan1 4 года назад

I played against the stros in MLB 19 the show and I heard the same banging of the trash can...

@joshuabland8229 4 года назад

NewWaveFan1 lol

@increase8944 4 года назад

Did they beat you ?

@malancronje6805 4 года назад

Did you get a buzz?

@blakkrob8230 4 года назад

NewWaveFan1 😂

@brandonmcmullen 4 года назад

Hope they make the controller vibrate to simulate the buzzers.

@bigppgamer2188 4 года назад

“Plus vacating the title form the Astros won’t make the Dodgers feel any better.” Actually yes it will Edit: Ty all for the likes

@frederickglass1583 4 года назад

Dodgers still don't get a ring out of it

@PhilPhan 4 года назад

Frederick Glass the Dodgers wouldn’t want it. They know they didn’t catch the last out. But it would feel justified that no one earned/won the title that year. That would be justice, which is what everyone in baseball wants/deserves.

@big8dog887 3 года назад

The Astros won 2 out of 3 games in Houston and split 4 in LA. This isn't at all atypical of a World Series winner. The team that can legitimately claim to have been screwed is the New York Yankees. The home team won all seven games of the ALCS.

@PhilPhan 3 года назад

big8dog88 under normal conditions the split seems reasonable but bottom line they were caught cheating. Both Yankees and dodgers have legit gripe, don’t make this a lesser offense against the dodgers just because it fits the narrative under normal conditions

@jarydjackson8531 3 года назад

Dodgers didn’t cheat but now they’re thinking maybe they should’ve lol

@gauge6513 2 года назад

What's sad is that every player knew. Says a lot about people beyond baseball and athletes.

@veerchasm1 Год назад

The Houston Astros think people have forgotten… Pepperidge Farms remembers

@jimtrack3786 4 года назад

MLB...."Houston, we have a problem."

@mshanahan6810 4 года назад

This is so awesome to see, I know Farquhar irl, talked to him a lot during his rehab from brain surgery because I had just gotten back to playing baseball from my own brain surgery and he's a great guy, has a fantastic baseball IQ, sad his professional career got cut short by that aneurysm, but I have loads of respect for him.

@FoolishBaseball 4 года назад

Farquhar seems like a good dude. I'm glad he has a gig in baseball, even if he's not pitching anymore. That brain episode was no joke! He's lucky to be around!

@mshanahan6810 4 года назад

@@FoolishBaseball very nice in person, and yeah he works out where I do in the off season, so everyone that goes there was super worried about him when it happened, everyone was so happy to see him back in there after he got out of the hospital... it was super cool for me to see his velo slowly climb back up as he regained his strength and stability. It was crazy that I could relate to him so closely since I was literally going through the same rehab process trying to get back on the mound from my own surgery for a couple aneurysms. Also, love the quality of your videos man, keep up the great work

@withheldtaxes8206 3 года назад

Foolish Baseball and Jomboy is the colab we all needed.

@benhaney9629 Год назад

Seems so obvious in retrospect, that trash can banging, it seems hard to believe that no one on the other teams ever figured this shit out... “They sure seem to be banging that trash can every time we throw a breaking ball...”

@josephmatthews7698 4 года назад

How much cheating helped or hurt is completely irrelevant. You cheat you undermine the integrity of the sport. You gotta go.

@evantiesman4165 3 года назад

The thing is that this isn't a game for these people. It's a game to us, because we watch it to be entertained. But that's what these people do for a job. Playing a sport at a high level is pretty precarious, a couple bad seasons and you can be out the door, especially if you're a rookie or a veteran. The Astros stole signs for the same reason that dudes took steroids in the 90's and 2000's. Good years extend careers. The organization absolutely should have been punished harder, maybe more draft pick forfeitures, maybe loss of international amateur signing money or something. But the players? I can't fault them, because I'd do the exact same thing in their shoes.

@ThorHC11 3 года назад

@@evantiesman4165 I agree with you wholeheartedly. Organization itself should have been punished significantly, and the fact that they weren't is much worse than the fact that nothing happened to the players.

@belcavendishny 2 года назад

@@evantiesman4165 that is EXACTLY WHY they needed to make an example of every single one of them. Yeah you'd do the same in their shoes, because you know the MLB isn't gonna take it seriously. That calculus changes if you could face a lifetime ban.

@9e7exkbzvwpf7c Год назад

Wonder if you're keeping that same energy with the foreign substance cheating nearly every pitcher did on every team.

@josephmatthews7698 Год назад

@@9e7exkbzvwpf7c of course. Get that shit outta sports. It's unhealthy and sets a bad precedent for the children who look up to sports figures or want to be athletes themselves. Every kid at some point dreamed of being a pro athlete. Do you really want steroids as a cost of entry for them? We hold these guys up and give them millions of dollars. The least they can do is not cheat.

@clay9333 4 года назад

I have to believe that the Astro’s announcers/broadcasters that spend so much time at the park and with the team had to have known about it too.

@tooterooterville 4 года назад

I'm sure of it. I'm also sure that LBJ conspired with the CIA and the FBI to assassinate JKF so he could expand the war in Vietnam.

@aarontoogood1124 4 года назад

@@tooterooterville What has LeBron James got to do with this?

@jonathanrecinos5894 4 года назад

Even the mascot too lol

@CraigMcGuinn 2 года назад

@@aarontoogood1124 he was referring to Lyndon B Johnson

@ileneplantone3817 6 месяцев назад

Some people say "Just get over it.". No. As long as there's still players on that team who were part of it in 2017, I will not "get over it. There's no point in playing a baseball series for months just to have one team pull that 💩

@Daniel-36 Год назад

Stealing signs is a game within the game. I mean that by having a runner on second look and try to figure out the sign system. Not a camera from center field zoomed in and using trash cans every single pitch. I’ve actually heard of teams putting down multiple signs with no one on base to disguise the signs when they played the Astros

@str8kronic 3 года назад

Altuve sitting on Chapman's breaking ball and not respecting his 101MPH fastball in a fastball situation is all the proof I need

@michaelrosadolanderos326 2 года назад

I’m a cubs fan but you can’t even call that a breaking ball, it was basically a slower fastball😂

@Booshie 2 года назад

If that’s “all the proof you need” then I’m sorry you just don’t understand the game of baseball and his approach

@shawnafrederiksen907 2 года назад

5'5 leanin in on 101,I fuckin hate altuve,plus it was contract year,theif

@CraigMcGuinn 2 года назад

@@michaelrosadolanderos326 it was a slider actually

@str8kronic 2 года назад

@@Booshie what dont I understand? Chapman is a fastball pitcher who throws 101mph..his slider is only devastating because hitters have to respect the fastball. There's just no way he sits back and wants on a breaking ball unless he knew it was coming

@jarydjackson8531 3 года назад

“Can you really suspend an entire baseball team?” Does nobody remember the 1919 Black Sox scandal? Whole roster banned from the MLB if I do recall for throwing the game for money. It’s not much different, I’m sure some of the stars have clauses in their contracts that include bonuses for playoff series wins and a World Series wins like they do in the NBA. They profited by gaming the system. And as a Red Sox fan, they’re not much better off, I don’t see them taking away banners but Alex Cora did the right thing by stepping down and didn’t try to make a fool of himself. Apple Watches or trash cans, cheating is cheating.

@Landis_Grant Год назад

Both AJ Hinch and Alex Cora got hired later on as managers. Only Carlos Beltran didn’t get another job as manager.

@TheKyubiisaan 7 месяцев назад

Given that nobody watching this today was alive in 1919 what do you think lol

@ileneplantone3817 6 месяцев назад

Every one of them should have been thrown out of MLB

@Billyball35 5 месяцев назад

It wasn't the entire roster, it was 8 players SP Eddie Cicotte SP Lefty Williams 1B Chick Gandil SS Swede Risberg 3B Buck Weaver INF Fred McMullin CF Happy Felsch and of course, LF Joe Jackson

@csonkaperdido 3 года назад

Who's here as the Rays are beating them in the 2020 ALCS Astroisks, World Series Cheations 2017 and all around scumbags

@ryanh1759 3 года назад

Me! Let's Go Rays!

@RobertoAlexOceanGalaxy23 3 года назад

looks like the rays are choking. 3-2 right now. we have a very bare bones bullpen and we're still going to a game 6 lmao. this has a 2004 red sox vs yankees reverse sweep feel. besides arozarena (admittedly on fire rn), rays hitters *cough* lowe *cough* have been poor

@ryanh1759 3 года назад

@@RobertoAlexOceanGalaxy23 Yes it does. ;(

@alexdostaler 3 года назад

This aged well.

@MrYoshiCrazy 2 года назад

This didn’t age too well. Lmaoooo HUSTLE TOWN BIIIATTTTCH

@door-ko9302 9 месяцев назад

Great vid! But i love how you used the Cave Story music its a great video game that doesn't get enough love

@wingwaabuddha 4 года назад

Will the trashcan be put on ebay or at least in cooperstown?

@martycoleman3801 4 года назад

I would actually buy that if it was in my price range and on ebay 😂

@gregdrew874 4 года назад

It had a WS Ring made for it, and was given a 3/35 extension.

@krzy6886 4 года назад

Trash can da real MVP.

@Lacheyenona72 4 года назад

Sarcastically Explained actually theyre going to use it as a stand for their trophy

@joshsansoucie5074 4 года назад

Management done put a hit on it, It's already been tossed into a dump somewhere.....to avoid being finger printed and what not.

@TrueRGM 4 года назад

The 2 best baseball youtubers, this is going to be a banger! Even louder bang than the Astros garbage can makes

@FoolishBaseball 4 года назад

nice

@yaranov5214 4 года назад

The three best. True RGM don't cut yourself short.

@aidanlebeau6459 4 года назад

Dadum chhhhhhhhhhhh

@KrolKaz 4 года назад

Ikr? I saw Jonboys name and was like🥒💦💦💦💦💦💦💦💦💦💦

@CplVelasco 2 года назад

Why yes, I will happily rewatch this video

@penewyz45 3 года назад

Anyone else appreciate that Carl Weathers reference from Arrested Development??? Genius... “Baby you got a stew going!!”

@pcdude2394 4 года назад

Put an asterisk next to their Title. Jim Crane said he has high standards and therefore he went above MLB punishment by firing Hinch and Luhnow. But he claims his 2017 Title is legit. So much for his high standards and went above MLB

@slundgr 4 года назад

What kind of deal did Crane make with Manfred and MLB? Crane should have been suspended, also, along with losing international bonus pool money.

@macpipkin 4 года назад

You are more than welcome to put an asterisk next to the 2017 title, but if you do you better understand there are about three dozen more you can put in that same category for the same damn reason. What if Bobby Thompson‘s “shot heard round the world“ came as a result of the sign stealing the Giants were doing? This was not an Astros problem. If one idiotic pitcher didn’t take a shot at his former team because he didn’t like where his career wound up we wouldn’t be discussing any of this. The Astros would be right there with the Yankees and the Dodgers as teams rumored to have cheated beyond in 2017 and beyond. • In 2017 he (Manfred) fined the Red Sox for stealing signs off the replay monitor and transmitting them with a smart watch. He also **fined the Yankees** for improper use of the dugout phone to gain information off the replay monitor. !!!LOOK!!! -> • In 2018 he received so many complaints about teams stealing signs electronically that in the postseason he stationed MLB security officials near every replay monitor and dugout to try to ensure a fair game-the baseball version of calling in the National Guard to an emergency.

@slundgr 4 года назад

@@macpipkin What about the 8 other teams the Astros told MLB were cheating and Manfred swept it under the rug? MLB started this whole problem by instituting the challenge replay system and having replay monitors teams could look at before challenging a play. Get rid of that. Turn off the TVs in the clubhouses. No replays anywhere that are not available to the fans in the stands. The Astros, especially the players, deserve all the grief they get, but the fans should make sure their team's own house is in order.

@slundgr 4 года назад

@@macpipkin Fiers is not an idiotic pitcher. His timing could have been better, but at least someone finally stepped up and said something. Hinch said in a press conference that if someone has an issue with the way they do something don't hide behind anonymous comments but their name on it. Fiers did that, and here we are. He could have chosen to remain anonymous, and he knew he could be blackballed by his teammates or other clubs. There is always time to do what is right, and the Astros and the team's management had three years to do what's right and didn't.

@robertsmith-gp6lc 4 года назад

Signs or not you still gotta hit the ball and everything else all this is gonna do is make them want to prove they don't' have to cheat to win. This is a question of personal honor i doubt if all the players chose to win by cheating, that's bullshit.

@RSM1515 4 года назад

12:10 I actually have a bat from ploffe he gave me when i was a kid as a twins player, broken at batting practice and he gave me it when i was the smallest and most insignificant kid there. great guy

@betecki 3 года назад

He is a great guy I have a signed jersey form the last game he played as a twin

@edinwells 3 года назад

Go hawkeyes

@Vadex97 2 года назад

Watching this after the Braves just beat them to win the World Series

@joygutierrez3895 2 года назад

Make shure you say thank you reffs for helping us!!!!!!!

@bluepyrotech 2 года назад

@@joygutierrez3895 ?

@drbryant23 2 года назад

Can you imagine how much time you save and how much extra rest you could have if you didn't need to prepare for pitchers? No staying up all night watching video, no studying scouting reports of opposing pitchers and their tendencies. Just listen for bangs. What a huge, huge advantage.

@tilmanwillms9584 4 года назад

Anyone else here after the buzzer theory is getting huge

@TheDrg162 4 года назад

meeeeee

@GIGGITYPLUM 4 года назад

Present

@whodatmyan 4 года назад

I'm here to find out what is going on lol

@bigpappa4337 4 года назад

Have a hard time believing you can hear a garbage can in a playoff game. MLB is hiding the buzzers to save face

@slundgr 4 года назад

Altuve said MLB investigated and didn't find anything about him wearing a buzzer. He told Scott Boras he didn't wear one. Nothing to see here. Move along.

@bryanlassiter698 4 года назад

Jomboy and Foolish baseball? This might be my favorite video of all time.

@FoolishBaseball 4 года назад

Glad to hear it!

@stukas07 4 года назад

Disagree. Jomboy as little to no integrity. I encourage Foolish Baseball to use his more objective and rational approach to assessing information, and apply it to Jomboy's ability to receive criticism. Jomboy comically highlights antics all around the league but openly admits he refuses to do so for his own team. People unable to laugh at themselves, that is to say, see humor for what it is(honesty*), are insecure and dishonest people. Then, he further embarrasses himself by lashing out at those who criticized his own bias. Perhaps most telling, was his response to Foolish Baseball's question about receiving criticism from Astros fans; He says, "I hope I have them all blocked by now". Censorship is something I will never endorse in life. He ostracizes small groups, those who defend the Astros, and those who laugh at the yankees' misfortunes. I cannot endorse(viewership is a form of consumption, the large the consumer base, the more advertisement funds are given) this either. *Humor as Honesty: To paraphrase Aristotle, "comedy is the most true form of writing" I typically wouldn't write anything as involved as this piece, if not for how intelligent Foolish Baseball appears to be. That previous statement was sad considering it's really simple stuff, so to be too involved these days isn't difficult to accomplish. Disclaimer: I do not defend the Astros, nor do I hate the Yankees.

@pjcgaming9548 4 года назад

Kevin Stroh sir...this is a Wendy’s.

@magicoddeffect 4 года назад

@@stukas07 Uh...where did this mega-rant come from?

@tomvolz3760 4 года назад

@@stukas07 Dude, he’s clowned on Brett Gardner multiple times. So he does laugh at his own team.

@matthewdaub 3 года назад

Love the cave story background music.

@lotus3272 3 года назад

Wait a minute, is that Cave Story music in the intro? I see you have great taste.

@tugotiger 4 года назад

Foolish baseball: uploads anything MLB in the comment section: 😀😍😆😒 Foolish baseball: uploads this MLB in this comment section: 🤐🤐🤐

@deondavis05712 4 года назад

The 2 bit video game sounds effects got me! Keep using them in future videos!

@enjikap1217 3 года назад

lmao I love the cave story music you put in

@gp-1542 Год назад

I don’t think the sports world truly recovered from this

@thekeegster6278 3 года назад

Ripping the Astros AAAAND using Cave Story music? You just earned yourself a subscriber! Thank you, sincerely a Mariners fan! 🔵🟢

@thefranchiseguy913 4 года назад

Excited for more content 2020, it’s been an amazing 2019 being introduced to this channel and Jomboys!

@SameOldScar Год назад

im trying to listen and keep hearing you say "bang" lol had to rewind like 5 times to hear it. Great video.

@WillyTheComposerOfficial 2 года назад

“Can you really suspend a whole team?” *Laughs in Kennesaw Mountain Landis*

@denisnevsky3734 2 года назад

Wouldn't have happened with the modern MLBPA.

@1lbcrudy 3 года назад

‘catches wife in bed with another guy...’ Foolish baseball: “yeah, but what does that prove?”

@thebaileynelson 2 года назад

I mean the astros love to bang things 😂

@TheToad075 Год назад

"I am intelligent because I'm playing both sides and acting like cheating gives no significant advantages"

@matthewcarey750 4 года назад

The player that was struggling could very likely be Brian McCann. He joined the Astros in 2017 after the Yankess; hit .300 at home in the world series vs .037 away.

@MountainFisher 4 года назад

@@AdamFerrari64 Doesn't matter, McCann retired at the end of 2019 season after the Braves lost to the Cards in the playoffs. Not much MLB can do to him, he isn't HOF good, so they can't do a thing to him unless he plans to coach, but he never said he had any plans to do anything of the sort.

@GoTFCanada1230 4 года назад

@@MountainFisher If it really is McCann, then a permaban from baseball seems to be the best punishment, like what Foolish said

@averageo2343 4 года назад

It said that the (unknown player) benefited from sign stealing on his last team. Obviously of all teams the Yankees would have some kind of sign stealing system (probably not as cheaty as this one but still).

@MountainFisher 4 года назад

@@averageo2343 Precisely, the history of cheating in MLB is long.

@tmctechnology6396 4 года назад

@average0 the Yankees cheat just as much as other teams but they don’t use sign stealing systems like Houston maybe a little extra pine tar here and there but that’s not anything different from anyone else why are the Yankees always targeted the fucking Red Sox had apple watches and they barely got flamed for it

@tty9992 Год назад

Welcome back foolish

@bull7246 2 года назад

@Foolishbaseball The funny part is after that curve homer you can see the pitcher rubbing stickem on the ball

@wendeborn8 4 года назад

I've been waiting for specifically this video since the scandal broke out. So great to see!

@FoolishBaseball 4 года назад

Wasn't sure if I should tackle it, but it seemed like the right time.

@guy858 4 года назад

me too.. I have been looking for any updates regarding this SCANDAL.... just have to wait and see IF MLB is actually going to do something or just sweep it under the rug ?? be hard to do that though.. one thing is for sure now.. EVERY game will be scrutinized across the board.. and I'm glad for that.. America's favorite past time huh ??? CORRUPTION never stops I guess ???