I wish i knew this channel vefore i started climbing i was hardstuck gold for season 9 and i started watching from season 10 i am now diamond 2 thanks !!
If fiddle waited and played properly enemy team would have died by the time swain move down. but yeah in a example where they cant context at all and bot respawn time was longer youd look somewhere else, but in that case they were there in time for some juicy kills, unlike swain who arrived late but since they didnt engage with sett they pretty much gave enemy 4 kills for free instead of take 3.
so I'm a Heca main and if I cover waves for my laners, I can't cs since I'm a melee and I got poked pretty hard if I try to cs. What should I do to cover for my laners? Just to get the exp?
I just got the game and so far have only played bots. The community seems super chill and are always helping me when I ask on chat. I’m scared to see the chat on a tanked game I’ve heard it’s almost as toxic as a mw2 lobby
@@IAMTEAMFROZEN lmao, MW2 is way more toxic. At least league has chat restrictions/autoban statements (such as kys). Just /mute all at the beginning of ranked games
Yeah, In low elo you touch your top or mid's minions, but almost always the top, and you get ping spammed, then flamed and lastly the guy will get tilted and either int, afk or leave. Doesn't matter if you don't even take a single cs. People just want to find a reason to be tilted.
@@dwight3555 This isn't one sided. It's not always our fault. How many times my jungler did nothing where I was being dived ? How many times jungler smited my cannon after gang that he fucked up by waiting too long/ going in early ? How many times my jungler alt+f4 after enemy stole his buff ? Etc etc. Yea ,many times. How many times I was flaming jungler because I wasn't paying attention ? How many times did I die because I took stupid trade and flamed jungler for fucking up my wave (even tho he didn't at all) ? Many times. See ,sometimes it's not our fault ,but fault of junglers and sometimes laners are just toxic idiots.
1. cover waves for roaming laners, take advantage of the minion gold 2. hover dives (from the enemy) correctly to prevent great losses 3. trading objectives, don't contest from a bad position with no vision, get a lead elsewhere
true story , me : " we can't contest this drake take tower " , teammates :" let them all drakes and soul then u idiot " while inting into drake and all dying then " jungle diff "
I would not even bother with learning high level macro in low elo. Just focus on efficient pathing and game knowledge (e.g.: what does x champion have as abilities that I need to watch out for). Just keep up with farming and avoid fighting at a numbers disadvantage. That said, it does depend on what you consider low elo. If you're below silver, there are better things to improve at then learning when to hold lanes.
@@Dragonoid269 depends, i went from silver to plat mostly by learning 2 of the topics in this video: - trading objectives instead of contesting (fewer deaths) - holding lanes after ganks / deaths Together with improving my pathing this got me from just 4.0cs/min to nearly 8.0cs/min back in season 7.
My favorite when I try to crash a wave after a successful gank is getting spam pinged and my teammates flaming that I'm taking their cs. Gotta love bronze.
Some fucking jglers take the cs and gold when I needed some of that to complete an item. Sure you can help push meaning auto attacks and stuff to get them low but not take them. otherwise the laner loses gold when he/she was punished in lane
Depends on how the gank went. if you got the kill don't take cs and instead lower the minions health enough for your teammate to quickly last hit. If they got the kill then it's usually ok to take a few cs as you help shove in
There is no use you know the concept of trading objectives. Indeed many mid-elo junglers know already. But when you give dragons up to gank/ counterjungle on the other side of the map, your teammates at base will send you 5 straight pings and type "15" in chat.
You're giving advice that might work in an elo where everyone is at least competent. As a silver who places bronze every season and climbs up, trying to keep lanes even is a waste of time. If a bronze is feeding to another bronze its because they're bad and that's not going to change even with some help. If you kill their later they'll miss 90% of the minions as they shove then overstay and die before reseting. Its practically garunteed. The power play is to abuse failing lanes to get fed then avoid fighting with the fed enemy laner until you're stronger than them.
Does not change the fact that you should go soak the exp in the losing lane so that it does not go to waste. In that regard you are using that lane to get a large exp lead
The problem with wave management in low elo (gold) is, people on the lane are too dumb to understand what i am doing, so they usually hard ping me off or type (WHY U TAKE FARM) like idiots..
last time I tried to push my botlanes wave after a successfull double kill, my ADC told me to kys and that he'd leave if I kill another minion. I got 1 last hit on a caster from a 1½ wave.
In low elo you better cast a very useful spell at the beginning of the game by typing "/mute all" in chat. I heard it helps to have a good and enjoyable experience in game
This one of the best videos you made! Most of Hector's feel like I'm not learning much, just watching him out play plat/diamond players. Here I can memorise it for my next game and hopefully for eternity
Ye... especially on contesting stuff you're not in position to, it's huge low elo problem. They don't cover the map, nor scout, but as soon as they realise some objective has been done (yes, just after "Enemy team has slain the dragon") they run in the river for some unknown reason and die right after. That's generally game.
Me in loading screen : oh ok I should gank this -2mins after- : where the Duck did enemy jungler start? 1mim after: oh well imma scutte wait lol he started bot I'ma contest bruh why 3 ppl here, REPORT MID AND TOP NO RESPOND
Lmao same. I often forget to pay attention where enemy jungler starts and when I realize that all enemies are on lane already it's like: "ahh shit, here we go again".
great guide! These concepts took me a while to figure it out too, especially the wave management. I would really like some tips about carrying loosing games as a jungler too! especially at the mid/late game, when the lanes become REALLY hard to gank/influence
I feel like you should have included kiting jg camps (especially on the first clear). So many low elo junglers don't know how to do it and it makes a huge difference
I need to work on hovering better and covering. The last point I love. So many teammates get mad that I give drag etc. Ill say "well they have prio and they're all ahead" "So we just give every drag?" "Well, if we can't really contest it then we're better off shoving a lane or farming elsewhere."
If my responses aren't clearly making my point, it feels like in low elo the more you know about what you should do, the worse games can go for you. I'm at a loss of how to deal with that.
I play Karthus jungle in silver, which has weak ganks so people tend to get upset when I don't gank often. However, all it takes to swing a lane is to show river and spook the enemy laner off yours so they don't get kills. As a jungler, if you can't contest an objective (even something small like scuttle) the best play is often to invade the enemy jungle to deny them experience. Even in bad matchups as long as you have vision to safely steal raptors it will add up and allow you to have a level or even two against your opponent. Knowing what to do is one thing. Applying it successfully is how you climb.
@@zehk7963 I appreciate your feedback Zehk, but what I'm having issue with isn't executing but getting punished for the right play. If that were the issue, your solution that I need to execute better would be spot on (not imply that I always execute perfectly, of course none of us do). The issue is hostile teammates that don't understand what you're doing and losing their minds. My other two comments below are the examples this comment was in reference to. It's bad enough when the enemy team punishes you for your mistakes. It's so much worse when your own team punishes you for what they perceive to be mistakes. It's so so much worse when what they perceive to be mistakes aren't mistakes. I can just imagine the scenario where Ren is tower diving Cam, and I come to support her under tower, help her clear and/or just be there to protect her from a dive, but she gets too close being greedy, he stuns and smacks her once and she dies, even though there was nothing I could do to kill him any faster, and despite killing him after, she starts spam pinging me with question marks, then when she comes back up, instead of going to her lane clears any camps I have, then just follows me around to last hit anything I try to take, and trying to bait me like she'll help if there's any kind of fight, until I engage, then just walks away hoping I die. Obviously, I'm privy to this, so won't let that happen at this point in my lol career, but that doesn't stop them from making the attempt and basically making you play a 4v6 for the rest of the game. This is also not like 1 in 100 games. Or 1 in 20 even. This kind of thing might happen 3 games in a row (e.g. first game you get an honest dc, second game top lane manages to feed 3 kills in the same time you take your fist 3 camps, then AFKs, third game, you get this Camille I just described). Now I gotta play and win 4 games in a row just to be ahead of when I started.
I really appreciate this guide. I’m an adc main but i transitioned to jungle since i can’t stand people constantly one shotting me. I have the basics in managing the wave control but i’m still figuring out the perfect pathing and how to be calm because i get frustrated when my laners ping me for trading obejctives when they are the one who clearly inted for their play.
I'm in high gold and i see the 3rd situation all the time. Junglers suiciding for 2nd drake or botlane trying to contest it 2v4 instead of pushing the wave and denying some xp and gold from the enemy. So many lost games under 15 min because of those kinds of plays in my team...
Yeah, but what about all the jungle camps the enemy jungle gonna steal from you while you're covering another lane? I mean, think about the red buff And if they leave just a small monster behind, you're screwed
These guides are so good! They basicaly ask you what you would do and you answer corectly then realise you don't actually do it in your games. Seeing your mistakes from third person really makes you learn.
I still think riot made solo queue completely unhealthy when they added the dragon soul to the game. Now every perma stuck low elo player who thinks they should be challenger believes every single dragon is important and that you can't win without them.
This is the stupidest thing i've ever read. You're basically saying the game is ruined because low elo players dont know how to play the game, what a surprise!
@@mashmeloazul I take it you haven't read very much in your short life span then. I didn't basically say anything. I said the dragon soul creates unhealthy gameplay for solo queue and that's exactly what I mean. If you inability to use basic reading comprehension lead you to believe I inferred the game is ruined because that fact, well that's your own issue.
Ironically, I have come to value the dragon less and less with every remake. The original dragon globally giving gold to your team just makes it a net positive the moment you spend that gold (which is often soon afterwards). Early game gold advantages are more impactful and there wasn't any rift herald on the other side of the map to trade for it, thus it made it worth contesting them. Elemental dragons just kind of scale. Outside of an early ocean drake (pretty nice to have some early game sustain during laning) they were not that impactful until later in the game, with elder making them potentially huge. With Soul they further reduced the benefits of each individual dragon to put more power in the dragon soul, which takes considerable time unless you prioritize dragons heavily and get them all. Dragon soul is mostly just some lategame insurance when you're winning early to mid game but are worried about comebacks (e.g. the enemy team comp outscales yours). If I jungle I usually pick junglers that are not fast at taking dragons, thus I usually just ignore dragons exist before the 10 minute mark (though I may contest it if the enemy team makes a poor dragon call)
Is so insane when you do have publish so many good videos for league and the population remains uneducated. Unfortunately in this game most of the players play ranked games for no reason and no actually improvement they call it -I'm playing for "fun" is a game....well, if is a game than why don't you go play some normals and enjoy your time? Why do you have the need to be in a competitive much up in a game that you dont cate at all to improve your self ?😕 That's why this game safer that much , because there is no serious criteria of how many players can play ranked games and how many cannot. Is so sad that bad players and in general players that ignore their improvement for the game have such a huge impact in the game...Especially when there is such a helpful videos that makes the game so dam easy to understand......Just look the number of comments in this video that could help so many people and compare how many players play ranked game in a regular basis with out giving a dam about improvement. INSANE ! So at the end of the day no matter how many good videos we will get, if Riot dose not change the ranked game criteria there is going to be huge amounts of people trapped in elo hell with out deserved 😳 👏
(should know when to give things up) . i swear, most people dont know this. and will flame u for not inting for drag . i love jg, but i swear everyone loves to blame jg and other lanes and not themselves. i think another good tip would be, for everyone to check themselves and how they can approve, rather then always going straight for blaming people . once you see what mistakes you make , or what things you could have done to make the outcome better, thats when , persoonally , i beelive you will start getting better, cant really improve if your more worried about judging others. and my last tip is never FF in rank. so many times it looks so un winnable . one play can turn the everything and it can happen. last tip more preference tho .
Hey! This helped me a lot as a jungler! I tried it out in ranked in a platinum game and the enemy team threw their lead by obsessing with kills and early objectives (the first two drags). We swept them under the rug and I could contest them when I got more items than them. Thanks guys 👌
Weird question. Playing ekko jng many times and recently this thing happens over and over. My bot and top go around 0/5 within10-15min. Is it my fault? How can I fix it? there is literally no place for gangs they are so low and lose heavily 2v2 that 3v2 not much difference...
yeah nah, fk camille. she can afford to die under turret and miss a little cs. quinn (pre 6) is trying to recall and syndra is has prio. Drake coming up so mid and jg can try to force sums (or even get a kill) bot as jhin is coming back to lane full health and mana so they just secure early drake as a team. i definitely agree with "just let it go" as far as desperate albeit futile attemps to secure kills or objectives. That's something I KNOW ABOUT but STILL fuck up cause of a doglike mentality. ironically i do better when tilted or pissed at team in these scenarios cause i just play like IDGAF and rage split which suprisingly often ends up being a fair trade off lol./
In My opinion as a jungler there are 2 lanes too much to cover. I'm at botside...take red...secure drake...get vision...ganked bot...adc got 2 kills and plates....i roam and kill Herold and take mid tower....then my toplaner roast me for not helping...he starts typing like crazy for help and I need to go back with almost 3,5k gold....if we loose it's called jungle dif.
You said to cover waves & maintain the laner's lane but you went into almost zero detail about how that is done?! How do I as a jungler know when to hard push, slow push, freeze for my laners & won't my laners just ragequit because they blame me for taking their cs?
A one-size-fits-all answers to this is checking how far away your laner is from the lane you are covering, and if they have teleport that they're willing to use to catch the wave. But more in-depth: - If your laner is gone from their turret and the wave has crashed, with the enemy hitting your turret for plate gold, clear that wave as quickly as possible and then back off into the jungle again. - If your laner isn't won't be back in time for the next wave, but the enemy is still pushing for plates instead of backing after crashing the wave, do the same again. - If you clear the current wave quickly enough (and before the next wave gets to the lane) then the lane state will be completely neutral and your laner can't be mad at that. - If after all this you get flamed, tell them you are helping their wave / punishing the enemy laner. - If they don't listen and keep flaming, mute your laner and focus on the game, because it's embarrassing that as a jungler you know more about wave management than they do. - If your laner understands wave management they will thank you and help you with river skirmishes more often, usually. - Also, last tip: if your laner is 5s late to the wave that's about to crash and you are nearby, pull the wave towards you and stop it from crashing to the turret. If your laner understands what you just did, they will love you for it.
I top lane main and when I get autofilled jungle the number of people that flame me via text or ping just because I walk up and last hit or shove it when they have to emergency back is incredible. Like, bro, you legit would NOT have hit any of those minions; you were 30 seconds or more from the lane, lol.
This is why I like pyke mid. You get a farming jungler who can still do something pre 6 to come once or twice before six, then at level 6 you roam bot while funneling your wave into the jungler. Because of your ult, you don’t actually miss out on gold, but you do miss a little xp, which is totally fine because of the fact that you have secured a strong late game for your jungler and pyke’s late game is just a walking CC chain, so he doesn’t really need the levels.
I honestly don't see how covering lanes fits my jungle gameplay. Mainly playing melee champions, I'm most likely going to get chunked, lose track of their jungler and probably lose my camps for 4 minions that I might not even be able to last hit. And I might have to recall, losing shiiit loads of tempo
Learning this game and think I want to main Jungle. I just instantly /mute all every game and it's marvelous. Reading chat in low ranks does a lot more harm than good I'm sure, so I'll just stick with pings potentially for my entire career.
I really wanna play jungle but it's unplayable in low elo. Every lane needs a gank 90% of the time, will flame you if you lose objectives and so on. It really made me believe that I suck in jungle but I had games playing with premades that knew what they were doing and I did really well.
So basically Renekton's play was actually bad, because he had no idea where Kha was, and if Kha was in the bush he was instantly dead. So maybe Kha thought if he didn't show, Renekton wouldn't dive and then he just gets more farm.
What is the name/artist for the background music you guys use? It's really good focus music - ambient but upbeat - hard to find something to match that exact niche. Helps me think a lot more focused
I got flamed by my jungler fiddlesticks for being doved by darius with ghost level 4 after trying to ping for help while he was on wolves and darius was stacking up a huge wave.
In platinum and below in my experience whenever I help my lanes whether it be hovering to counter a dive or shove/freeze waves they get angry at me and 50% of the time they'll start trolling and doing dumb shit :/
And many people say LCK so is so boring because there's not a lot of action without knowing that there are a lot of technical things going on the map. Remember kills don't always win the game!
I'm pretty sure if fiddle waited alil longer and take no dmg which he did and went away to heal on grump they would have been able to contest it, so he walks away in the most important moment leaving his team to die when he could have properly hit R unlike when he did after and pick up 2 free kills meanwhile attempt to kill shaco in a 4v2 or 3v1 after enemy adc and morg dead, but then he wasnt there and both his team wasted their R and they all died. By the time swain move down the fight would be over.
JG should not touch lane minions at all prior to 20 minutes. Every time my teams jg touches lane minions the enemy jg is ganking and getting ahead. Passing up opportunities to gank to farm minions will lose low elo every time. Further going into enemy jg to farm instead of ganking for your team will lose the game every time as well.
6:55 The bad part about this is that in low elo if you as a jungler or laner just give up that dragon just because you know this is huge risk and very low reward, your other teammates will still try to contest, probably die without taking a kill or objective, spam question mark ping you, flame you, "teach you" by saying that you should have not left and thus would be free kills and objective. And if you are super unlucky, one or all the animals involved in this will even afk or rage whole game and run it down out of anger. Happened to me actually another day, 3 team members went afk one after another and there was nothing I could do, we horribly lost. And the worst part about this - they won't even be punished for that, riot gives no fuck about these ruiners. =(
Still is better to have 3 people dying than 4, your teammates doing that poorly does not change the correct play. Oh and if you play jungle and not have enable mute all you are playing the role wrong. Thinking before feeling is the moto remember. and good luck in your games!
I main support. I can't tell you how many times I've rotated to an empty lane to cover a crash or freeze until the player returns, only to be furiously spam pinged and flamed the whole time for last hitting.
lol i pay for a full month 2-3 years ago and it was useless I did not get a refund. idk about a refund tfh it just I lost the trust to sub again since it was useless back in the day and not much videos were there. idk remember how much I sub I think 1 month or a yeah and then I unsub after than month since it was useless
covering lane is shit when its in low elo game, why? we all know if we touch one minion of the team they cry like crazy booohoooo you mess my wave or you should just stay on to ill jg or they quit althogether or his duo flame you at the same time. Because they are right and even if they feed, it is always the jungler fault
Actually in your last example it was the right play to force a fight there since it is 4v3. Fiddle shouldn't have gotten initially chunked when he got morg Q'd, he should have side-stepped that easily. After that you can see Sett have prio in mid and come down for a flank. During that time you can see swain on the mini-map in mid for a split second so you know he will be late to the fight. Unfortunately, Sett blast coned over instead of going through tri-brush which led to him dying in a bad position. What Fiddle and his botlane should have done was try to space and stall for Sett to come down with the flank and then look to fight. My credibility comes from being a former D1 Jungler.
About Advice tip number 2... That may work with higher skilled players but the players I'm used to mistake me coming to lane to cover them as a gank. Jump in at the enemy despite being 10% or less hp, die and then blame me, usually with a "this jungler is crazy" type comment. So i made a habit of not doing it because I'd have to stop and type it out. Which is generally a huge time waster as the jungler if you're not already dead x)
Regarding the last clip, that's a scenario i often find myself in. Say our jungler just died, their jungler is hovering drake, and their mid has prio. I'm playing ADC, but the support and midlane (who doesn't have prio) still wants to contest drake. In most scenarios i just ignore my team and continue to CS, as it's guaranteed gold, and just /mute all because i know i'm going to get flamed. Is that the right desicion, to keep csing when there's an obvious disadvantage to contesting dragon and a slim chance of getting anything, or should i try to help my team keep morale, eventhough the fight most likely will go really bad?
Farming is correct, especially if you are a bit behind, but positioning yourself near the rivermouth/tribush so you can participate if the fight starts allows the best of both worlds. You are moral support and still get most of your farm.
That's what I'm doing in PH server covering the lane and getting the minions unguarded by a teammate then this toxicity will start they keep asking you *Wag mo kunin cs alis jan* (Don't take cs get out there) then the trash talk begins. Seriously? Philippines server kinda fun.
@Skill Capped C.L.G., u are a truly incredible teacher of jg, I will probably notice changes to my toxic teammates if I apply all these. Thank you for you for sharing your knowledge.
I can't count the number of times I've contested an objective and not come off on top with either a smite steal, or a fiddle ult wiping out their team, or simply forcing low elo players to choose between fighting or objective. Lol... Guess it makes more sense when people actually know what they're doing.
7:20 So what do you do when you're dead, tilted teammates are spam pinging you to contest the dragon alone against 4 missing enemies until they get there, then start flaming you chat and initiating an early ff because you don't? Oh and don't forget the alternate possibility that they just abandon their lane to start taking your camps, just so you can't have them. Sometimes even blatantly following you around just attempting to last hit them.
