The 4b movement is not misandry, nor is it new 

Sounds like you have a book recommendation?❤❤❤

@@AnnieRegret "The Creation of Patriarchy" by Gerda Lerner. "Cities of Ladies: Beguine Communities in the Medieval Low Countries, 1200-1565" Book by Walter Simons. 👁️❤️

@@Egg_Apron Thanks so much!❤️❤️❤️

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Of course you would, because you're a female. You like everything that caters to your gender.

He’s only been posting a year, & he’s going against the tide. Share his posts, always comment for the algorithms, & the subscriber numbers will grow.

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No, it's understandably low.

@@narek323 understandable doesn't mean less sad

I'm not holding my breath.

Could you tell recommend some material to read up on this subject? Thank you!!

Your statement, "the movements seem to say you're a bad person because of the way you were born..." Women in the 4B (and like) movements are not saying men are bad because of gender; they are rejecting many men's bad behavior toward women. Major difference between gender and behavior. Of course not all men are abusive and users. If I put into each of your hands a small number of identical candies and tell you that one hand contains edible candy and the other hand contains poisoned candy but I'm not going to tell you, I want you to choose of your own free will which candies you think are okay and put them in your mouth, I promise you you would not be able to tell which was which. Women who get burned are blamed and shamed by men who tell them, "You should have chosen better." Men who have been burned by toxic women know exactly what that feels like. But no one ever blames a man for not being able to see a toxic woman for what she is until she reveals herself. It's not men en masse being rejected - it's toxic men. But after you've been burned bad enough, you learn to say "Enough." Besides, it's not like people stepping away from relationships are threatening the survival of the human species. There will always be a vast majority who are willing to forever enter the breach. As to your comment about people, "...depriving themselves of something they have a strong desire for..." there have always been folks who never found the love they looked for, no matter how many dates and ice cream church socials they attended. Sadly, that is just a fact of life.

Your novel is irrelevant. Women prefer separate societies.

@blueredingreen for what it's worth I think what you wrote is totally spot on (I'm a woman)

I want to acknowledge that you're trying to be reasonable, but at the same time wonder why you're ignoring the systemic violence women experience under patriarchy and it's derivatives - capitalism, racism, and misogyny. Women are opting out of patriarchy. The 4B movement isn't just a protest against relationships, but an understanding that under patriarchy relationships with the opposite sex comes with inherent inequalities; that by entering into hetero relationships, we are, in fact, holding up the patriarchy. Is it possible to be in an equal, loving relationship with the opposite sex? Yes. However, is it likely? No. One-third of all women will experience s*xual and physical violence at the hands of a man. Usually, at the hands of intimate partners. We experience the mommyhood penalty when we procreate, leading to less money for retirement and less economic power. We suffer through birth only to be left with the physical, mental, and emotional consequences with no help from our partners or the government. Our religions are steeped in misogyny. So, too, are our social interactions from friendships to dating and marriage. Even now, women's rights are being threatened, our very voices suppressed. Separatists are protesting the backslide of women's fundamental right to self-actualization and the continued oppression of women in societies around the world. The #4BMovement is both a personal choice and a political movement that seeks to overturn the patriarchal system in its entirety. You can be a feminist who dates and marries men, but you can also be a feminist and see personal relationships with men who, for all intents and purposes, have not done the work to overstand women's pov as detrimental to the cause. Furthermore, romantic relationships are NOT the only kind of loving relationships in the world. It is one of many. And, frankly, too high of a value has been placed on romantic relationships to the detriment of relationships between family, community, sisterhood, and between mothers and daughters. Men have centered themselves in women's lives, leading to the deterioration of equally important relationships for women. #4B is both protest and protection.

@@ejenglin I'm not "ignoring the systemic issues". Let's fix those, but you don't fix those by opting out, you just make it other people's problems. Like if an immigrant moves out of this country, or an employee leaves a company, that's certainly a right and may be a valid choice, but it's one of the least effective ways to effect change, especially in a decentralised system where my voice is just one of millions. You're just removing yourself from the conversation, and limiting the effects the problems have on you. You've already decided to leave, so... bye, I guess. That's the only response to that that makes sense to me. There's less benefit to you from me working on those issues, and there's less benefit to me from me working on those issues... so how is that supposed to make me MORE inclined to work on those issues? Also, of course you're perfectly free to not date me. But movements tend to involve putting some (implicit or explicit) pressure on others to join, and if you're pressuring others to deny themselves a relationship with me that they want, and that I want, we're going to have issues. My strong inclination towards equality makes me care about women's rights (which everyone doesn't share). But I also have a strong opposition to bullying and mistreating people to get them to do what you want, and that puts me in strong opposition to 4B. You're holding relationships hostage until I achieve the impossible - even me doing my best isn't going to be a drop in the bucket. Never mind depression and disability and multiple chronic illnesses that consume my thoughts every waking moment of my life. Those are already exhausting enough for me to deal with, without also being made entirely responsible for fixing how all of society functions for the sake of other people. So, okay, I'll be alone for my entire life. It's not like you're even giving me a choice in the matter, so why would I help you? You're applying societal thinking to effect change on an individual level, but that seems backwards. When I'm personally held responsible for the problems of society as a whole, apart from pushing back against that, all I can really do is shrug and continue as normal. You seem to suggest that feminism as a whole hasn't been able to fix society's problems thus far through direct activism, so I'm certainly not going to be able to fix it myself, especially not as an autistic person who rarely speaks to others, yet that's what you're expecting of me. So why would I even bother trying? Also, for whatever it's worth, there are plenty of things one can do to make it much more likely to end up in an equal, loving relationship, and avoid relationships not like that. But other people are probably far better equipped to talk about that, and I don't expect you'd want nor appreciate me explaining that anyway.

The lesbian relationships DV rate is false, some of those women are Bi. and also Men are more violent, DV SA rates prove that. What You're upset about is that the girlfriend to slave wife pipeline is over for you. Cry harder

I need to see some references /links to verify what you’re stating is factual please

This comes off as very whataboutism 😐

@@User_U571 You come across as someone who reinforces double standards instead of treating people as equals

@@dynosophical you come across as someone who can’t stand not having more attention than someone else. 🤪

Virgins were actually. Being a virgin didn't mean you didn't have sex, it meant you were single and independent, in your own power. Men got the word "virile" from this. Virgins were respected. Every time women gain power for themselves, men have to rewrite it. "Women in ancient times had no rights. Virgins are sexless. Women are scandalous, they're home makers, they can't take care of themselves." Witch trials burned basically all the female doctors btw. It was only in the last twenty years medicine realized no proper studies were done on biological sex differences for medications, operations etc. We lost a lot with them. Additionally, the scientist translated version of the OG bible is wild. Apparently Eve was meant to be contrary to Adam, not a servant at all. But suggests she was supposed to challenge him. We already know the bible was rewritten for political gain, every single time it was rewritten. BTW, kick anyone who swears by the King James version out of your life. That's the sexist version.

Sharks bones are flexible.

Truth hurts, hm?

⁠@@JessiD-111facts the 4b movement saved me 🎉 I won’t be a martyr for penis people