The 7th Saga for SNES - A Review | hungrygoriya 

What if they beat you though? Esuna kicked my butt!

Thanks so much! And you know, I didn't even get into a lot of the plot to keep spoilers at a minimum, but there were some pretty shocking moments throughout in terms of ways extra challenge was introduced. It was a lot more than I was expecting it to be too.

The ending was definitely a treat! Always glad to meet others that like this one!

This whole soundtrack is on in my house at least once a week. It's great!

Agreed wholeheartedly! There's so much here for anyone that loves the genre and I hope more people try the game out, with or without a patch.

It's a tough game, that's for sure. I wish I'd played something like this as a kid. I didn't get to my first turn-based game until I was a little older!

It's brutal, but you have to learn to be the same. However, I have seen worse games.

I think the hardest part of the whole game that I couldn’t get past for my life was the castle where you get the star rune. I was playing with Lejes or Kamil and I had to fight olvan who would beat the shit out of me no matter what I did

Better late than never, right? I thought it was a nice visual change from pretty much every other SNES RPG.

I saw it in NP, too. I have it, but I have never played it because ofbits reputation.

The characters were well thought out...except for Lejes.

I'm glad you got to experience it when it was new! That's really cool. I've played a few other SNES RPGs that felt pretty flat compared to this one in terms of excitement and risk, so this was a great game to experience. Hopefully you'll have more experiences like this in the future too.

@@hungrygoriya actually, that was just last year XD. I love playing the older consoles, even though I am of the playstation 2 generation myself

@@blauesnavi3883 Oh right on! I grew up with an NES and a Genesis but didn't have an SNES until later in life. I'm really enjoying finding great games even if I'm late to the party by a long stretch.

Faxanadu's my favourite!

It was neat looking at some of the titles of the music tracks, and they kinda line up with the post-apocalyptic thing you've mentioned here. Oh Esuna :( I was so excited to take her with me, but nope. I'm glad you've gotten some good mileage out of the game though. Did you notice a lot of different NPC interactions? I'm really curious about how different the actual game is with each character.

@@hungrygoriya Unfortunately, the changes between characters didn't seem too substantial. I think the dwarf can get a key that I believe let's him skip an area, Lux gets some different interactions when he meets more of his kind, and some more obvious stuff such as Valsu being hostile to Lejes. Sadly everyone gets the same ending, and it left me wondering what happens to your poor partner at the end? Trapped forever in the past, I suppose? Most of the time I chose Esuna as my partner, but Valsu is the strongest choice at later levels thanks to his cheesy Elixir spell that also refills his MP! You need every advantage in this game, though; I recall resetting multiple times until those permanent stat booster seeds gave me a +4!

@@SharazJek Awwww it's too bad there wasn't anything cooler... I know the topaz lady I showed in the video wouldn't talk to Olvan and only Lux (I went back after Olvan got killed at one point) and was curious if there was more of that. Alas :( I was wondering at first if the "become young again" thing was tied just to Olvan given his backstory, but it's also sad to learn that the ending's the same no matter who you play through with. And I was super sad for Lux! Just standing there, but at least he could be with his creators there. People kept pushing me to take Valsu as a partner, and I wish I had. Fighting him as the traitor was just awful, but I thought he was a bit of a wiener and that was that. And I also totally sat by my console and rolled on those seed values too... you're right: you need all the help you can get!

@@hungrygoriya Ouch for getting Valsu as the traitor! For me it's usually Olvan, which is fine since I use him the least. (Slow plus expensive to equip definitely isn't my speed.) Sadly the branching character choices isn't used anywhere near its potential, but it was pretty neat for the time.

@@SharazJek Gameplay wise Olvan gets an extra dungeon because he looks like the father of a character that gives you a key, dungeon is nothing special it just has some stuff in it and maybe allow you to skip ahead. In some ways Olvan is more of a main character then Kamil ever was, he is what Kamil was supposed to be(the can do everything character he was in Elnard but in 7th Saga they nerfed him to hell) Esuna gets an airship ride for free because she is hot or something. She also has a different route in one part of the game that I cannot recall very well, some characters have to take a submarine and others have to go through a cave? But they all end up visiting the same towns anyways. I may be confused and be referring to that Olvan thingy and he is the only one who can skip the submarine and go through the cave. I think some people comment on Lux being a Tetujin in the game and one offers to upgrades him but this is late in the game. In the lore both Wilme and Lejes are hated by everyone but I do not recall anything gameplay wise that is changed for them, even Valssu can team up with Lejes but the chances of this happening are just lower. I cannot recall if Kamil has different dialogue in his hometown. Funnily enough this is the one game where the white and black mage are competent enough to not make the game impossible to complete like say playing solo white mage in FF1 or something and by the time they can no longer handle anything by themselves they can get a partner that can.

Oh right on! Good luck with your playthrough! I hope you have some fun with it. Despite some of the ridiculous difficulty spikes at times, it's a challenging RPG. Enjoy it!

That's my back story on all RPGs. I would watch my cousin play them while I felt intimated by the scope lol. Maybe that's why these days I insist on beating all the old games

I wish I could've gotten Esuna to come along with me! It sounds like she really made the adventure exciting!

Same, I went Esuna/Kamil in the US version. Ice 1 is surprisingly good, even late in the game.

It's fantastic that you made it through eventually... I definitely ran from pretty much everything in the final stretch as well, trying to conserve resources getting to the last battle. I was so relieved when it finally happened for me. And I hear ya about those rune fights... my first one was up against the worst possible match for my party and it was about 2 hours of trying and hoping to get lucky with until it finally happened for me.

@@hungrygoriya This review makes me want to try this game. The only thing I ever heard about this game was that there was a mandatory rune fight with a character that scales with you, except that in the American version, they nerfed your stat gains on leveling but not that characters’, so you could create an unwinnable situation if you grind too much where that enemy is super powerful and leveling only makes him stronger! Stayed away just from hearing that, but now I wonder if it’s even true.

@@ozmahunter6940 There is a fight like that, and it was definitely one of the hardest parts of the game for me. It took me about 2 hours and getting lucky in the fight to make it through. Some people you fight against are a lot harder than others though, so some careful planning of who you have with you in your party can eliminate some of those potentially impossible encounters. Once I hit that fight I didn't do any more levelling and I tried and tried until I got it. I think I was around level 12 when I arrived, but the lower the better probably.

@@hungrygoriya if you mean the fight in the town against the "traitor" apprentice they actually have there level set once you go through the door the sage is blocking earlier. Its set to 5 more than whatever you are at that point you go through

@@procow2274 See from everything I've read online, if you keep levelling, they do as well so you can get yourself into trouble very quickly with a bit of grinding.

It's ruthless, but the music is definitely memorable. I put the soundtrack on pretty often!

Look up the original Japanese version and see if there's an english patch out there (There probably IS!) and you'll have a much easier experience. The N/A version your character's growth was bugged, with +3 being the highest bonus. +3 should be the weakest, with +7 being the highest. Your NPC character opponents in the N/A version had that bonus while you as a player had the weaker one, hence the difficulty spike in general. Enemies later on were also expecting those larger stat gains. The game was still beatable but wow! I do reccomend trying to find the original version translated. You might find it too easy though!

If you can make it to the cave with metal pison, you can grind from level 40 to 80 in like a couple hours. One of the battles in that cave is one where you fight three of those knights in the scale armor. With a strong enough magic stat, you can kill all three in one shot with an area of effect spell. They give you like 1500 experience each. So each battle you’re getting close to 5000 experience points.

Nice! Esuna's still a character I'd like to play as for this one, so I may play it through again one day and try to recruit her. You raise great points about the grinding and the rune abilities making the game a lot smoother if you know how to do it well. Thanks for sharing and good luck on your playthrough!

Yessss!

That's exactly what The 7th Saga provided for me... that fear, that wonder, that caution... it was fantastic for that! I can't wait to play more Dragon Quest games. I've gotten through most of the first one a couple of times but haven't played much beyond that yet.

Dragon Quest 11 has a variable difficulty with a large number of adjustable parameters that can make it quite a challenge.

Just because a game isn't difficulty doesn't mean that it's a inferior game to others in any way,more than being difficult the game needs to Be genuinely good with good story characters or Gameplay otherwise it's boring

Cdromance has the stuff patched.

I AGREED

I hope you will some day! It's worth it, especially if you have some folks to talk to along the way. Those horrible shredded napkins beside people's plates in those situations are pitiful, and also gross!

I'm glad you enjoyed the video! I definitely liked this game more than I was expecting to based on what people had told me about it going in. It was a wonderful time! It sounds like you are well on your soloing quest! What a feat! Are you leaving a certain person for last because they're easiest/hardest?

Definitely trying to do the easier first, I may have also done Esuna, come to think of it. The magic users have access to healing and buff spells which helps them survive. I have had a harder time with Wilme even though he has, I believe, the best agility. Olvan might be easier as more balanced or tougher due to slow speed. I expect Lux, Lejes would be the hardest as they have no healing, buff magic and aren’t especially speedy.

@@Parallelepiped2 I'd still love to try a playthrough with Esuna. I was awfully disappointed I couldn't bring her along with me, but I hear ya about having characters with healing abilities being an easier adventure. I wasn't sure how each person's magic would progress through the game so I just went off the starting stats. And Olvan was so slow... I dumped all my seeds into him and made sure they were all the highest possible value and he was still moving like a sack of potatoes by the game's end.

Olvan still has a special place for me. He was my very first character and first main character I completed the game with!

Those are all wonderful channels, and I'm honoured to be thought of as similar to them! Thanks so much for the high praise!

Oh good luck! And thanks very much. I really enjoyed this game and truly feel like there's a great adventure there... just be ready for mayhem once in a while and you'll be fine!

I honestly didn't get what people were so bent out of shape about it. So many folks kept saying how hard it was and how bad of a time I'd have, and other than those two areas where the difficulty felt vertical for a short time, it was pretty on par with other games. Did you have a favourite person/group to play through with?

@@hungrygoriya Esuna the Elf was my favorite to play, and for a partner I'd generally take anyone except Lux (clank clank) or Wilme the Alien just because his attack animation was a bit tediously slow. I think the difficulty of the game to some degree depended upon which characters one plays with (at least for the North American version). They're not exactly balanced, but I was always content to treat that as an embedded difficulty setting. Kamil the Human truly was as difficult as games got for me in that era.

@@jawjaw27 Esuna was definitely the person I wanted to bring along the most but lost the opportunity. If I play again, she's definitely at the top of my list without a doubt. And I agree with you completely: you could definitely make yourself disadvantaged a lot more with certain party members than others! What a cool idea though... it really brings in some serious replay value.

It's a hard go, but fun along the way. Thanks very much :) I was glad to get something out this long weekend!

Too kind! Thanks so much!

My pleasure! I hope you enjoy it if you play!

The monster design is one of my favourite things about this game. They're all unique and horrifying.

Grinding and farming was a necessity here for sure! I really enjoyed this one despite others telling me it wasn't good, but there were some points that I really struggled with like the apprentice fight. I liked the transition to battle since I got to see all the weird monsters come into view in an interesting way, but you're right: it was really repetitive!

I wanted to bring Esuna along with me but couldn't bear to make her my main character because I was scared to get obliterated. I think her and Olvan would've made a good team, but alas. I'm excited to get going on Zillion here too. It's my next project I've been working on so stay tuned for that! Thanks so much :)

@@hungrygoriya I'm all for Zillion as well! :)

@@LordSephleon Right on! I just finished that a few weeks ago so I'm looking forward to talking about it.

@@hungrygoriya with Zillion, could you also touch up what the suicide option is for? I know that I could just google it, but i want to hear your take on it.

If you do try it out again, best of luck! It's a hard one but definitely a satisfying adventure to put to rest.

There are some good patches that fix the difficulty and things available on romhacking.net

Oh man, you're in for a treat! I hope you have a fun trip through the game. At the very least, the soundtrack is top notch.

I honestly didn't find it that difficult except for a few stretches honestly... I found it to be like a lot of older more unforgiving RPGs, but nothing as heinous as I'd heard about. I really liked that about the game... it made it memorable!

I am going to play it with the elnard restoration Patch to see if the original vision of the game is good

I think the patience thing that comes around as an adult goes a long way into making these games more tolerable. I hope you have a good time with it! There are some parts that are show-stoppers like I mentioned, but if you push through, the rest of the game's pretty smooth sailing.

Yes, I put it down the 1st time. I started as Valsu, and found it very difficult. I do believe Kamil is the best character for the 1st time playing. As a youth, I beat it that 2nd time, as Kamil. As an adult I have completed it with all characters.

@@CurlyFromTheSwirly Valsu is a little rough until you reach level 3 and get some offense but otherwise is fine. Lux on the other hand has the easiest start because of his stats and starting gear

@@procow2274, The 2 places I had it rough with Lux was the beginning and by Bonro. The wyverns at the beginning are too fast for him (if unlucky), the other robots are also fast. I suffered through the game with both Lux & Valsu. It wasn't fun.

@@CurlyFromTheSwirly on the plus side lux is the only character that takes one damage from wyverns at level 1. Other characters can take 3 to as much as 7 damage a hit

Hey thanks very much for watching! I love hearing about Wilme and Valsu teaming up. I was a fool and didn't take Valsu with me, and he ended up being my apprentice fight.

Definitely! I enjoyed it quite a bit too, even with its difficulty.

Hey thanks so much!

You know, it's totally unique. The twists and turns on this plot were always completely unexpected and I appreciated how jarring some of them were, like The Big Change partway through the game that just bowled me over completely. I ended up with Valsu as my early game rival and it was hell on earth. I can't even imagine what it would've been like running into him later on. It was probably the worst pairing ever for my party.

Losing runes to Valsu and facing him later more or less makes him invincible. The AI usually doesn't cheese the full heal so it's possible, just unlikely. Great review btw! I've only stumbled on the channel fairly recently and I've really enjoyed it :)

I actually found that as Kamil I had to be at a higher level then when I played through later with Lejes. Maybe I was just paranoid that 1st time? I find the game really easy with Wilme, except a few points where the monsters are very magic based.

@@hungrygoriya, Valsu & Esuna are nearly unbeatable as enemies at almost all levels. They just CHEAT. They don't play by the rules. They defy physics. I have RU-vid videos showing how bad Valsu is in particular. Since eventually the stats cap at 255 for magic and speed, eventually they are beatable...but I am not playing that long.

I'm so glad! I had so many people tell me I'd hate my time with it because it was too hard, and while there were a few really tough spots that tested my patience, I still really enjoyed my time with it! Always glad to meet another fan!

I'm glad you're enjoying your time here. Thanks so much!

It was an extremely challenging game that I enjoyed very much. And I also loved that view change! I don't think I've seen anything quite like it.

I loved this game so much, and it's great to hear that there are so many potentials for subsequent playthroughs and so much more strategy to parse out. I was getting wrecked so badly early on that I just took Lux with me right away, and I wish I had been able to hold out on a partner for a little longer. It certainly would've been great to have Lux be an ultimate powerhouse by picking him up later. Oddly enough, he was the only person who wanted to come with me! Everyone else just wanted to fight. I'm glad he ended up working out for me though. I couldn't bear to let him go after a while.

Thanks very much :) I appreciate this game a lot and wanted to give it a fair shake.

Nice! Mystic Ark, you mean? I'm really curious about what it's like too.

That's a really nice sentiment!

Valsu was my apprentice, and thankfully I got to him at a low enough level that this didn't happen to me! What a scary prospect! And that's an interesting tidbit about the first boss. I had no idea!

Thanks for watching!

It's definitely not a game for everyone, but I enjoy these tough as nails RPGs for some reason. I like having the stakes high I guess? I'm sure you have lots of other things on your list to enjoy so you might as well stick to things that really interest you. And yes, Mystic Ark! I have a copy of that lying around to play some day. I'm looking forward to that one!

@@hungrygoriya Great graphics, music, and an intriguing atmosphere, but you'll be grossly disappointed. It's disgustingly easy to the point that you can set battles on auto and forget about it.

I really don't feel like people give this one a fair shake and just write it off as too difficult. I agree with everything you've said here!

Thank you so much! Your positive reception of the game was heartening in a sea of people who insisted this game was the worst of the worst. I enjoyed hanging out with you when you played it as well.

@@Kronoan The VODs on Twitch expire for me after two months so they're gone from the channel, unfortunately. I have them stored locally but I don't upload those. I like to keep the livestreams as a separate experience because I am mostly just speaking to chat while I play... it doesn't make for the greatest watching after the fact.

Thank you very much for that! I really liked The 7th Saga and it's a great example of a time when I didn't listen to all the naysayers and gave the game a chance. I love love love the soundtrack and listen to it pretty often too. I hope more folks take this one out for a spin.

Awww it's so nice to read about your positive experience with the game. Because I had Lux as my partner, I had to murder Olvan in the past and go and talk to the repair person with him to get the upgrade... it was a little extreme but I didn't know another way to put Lux at the front on the overworld :) Maybe a playthrough with the balance patch needs to be in my future. I could totally see that being a different and fun way to experience this game. Thanks so much for sharing!

It's tough for sure. Lux and Valsu sound like a great pairing. I was worried to bring Valsu along but then he ended up being my rival apprentice to fight... I had regrets!

Good luck with the collecting... this one's fairly inexpensive as far as SNES RPGs go at least.

@@hungrygoriya That's a good thing. I've noticed that too. SNES games seem to be more expensive than their Sega counterparts.

This game has a banking system, but you have to purchase gems. You "store" your money in gem form, but you need whatever denomination they're sold in. It's a bit strange.

Right on! I hope you enjoy your time with it. It's not easy, but I think if you go into it with appropriate expectations, you'll end up having a good time with it. Are you going to play with a patch or go for the North American difficulty?

@@hungrygoriya I'm gonna give it a go with the American release. That way I can test myself against those magazine editors from the early 90's

You're welcome! I had a blast with this one.

I was pretty frustrated by how scared I was made to feel to start this game and pleasantly surprised to find it totally approachable. And you nailed it: the difficulty is on par with other games with maybe a smidgen more trickiness piled on at certain parts. I had also heard that about attacking the rental markets... but good LORD did they ever do a number on the difficulty here compared to the Japanese version! I get it, but geeze!

@@hungrygoriya Actually, the endless war with the rental market is also the reason Virgin Games' Lion King is so infamously difficult: The game designers were told to make the second world disproportionately hard compared to the rest of the game xD

@@HybridAngelZero There's nothing that makes me laugh more than seeing Simba get hit in the neck by those invisible branches on the ostrich runs, hahaha

Oh right on! I thought I mentioned the music at some point, but it's been a while so I may not have. In short, I LOVE this soundtrack. Especially the battle and overworld music especially. Thanks for subscribing too! I've got a new review in the works and hope to have it out shortly here.

She did briefly when she talked about the art style for the enemies. She said they looked like they're dancing to a killer soundtrack or something like that.

Maybe try the patched version? I haven't tried any of them but I know of the few listed, each of them introduce various quality of life changes that you might enjoy.

Yeah, this game was so unforgiving with its stat boosts that I permitted hints from my stream chat about when there was something hidden. They're definitely worth picking up! In Lufia, I loved that hidden stuff was at least obvious. That game has a lot of charm to it. I really enjoyed it for the most part!

@@hungrygoriya I never finished the game. Too hard.

If you do end up playing this, enjoy it! It's a tough one but definitely worth the strife.

@@hungrygoriya I know some games are difficult but worth it in the end. At least with RPGs I can level grind for days on end if I need too.

Ooooo good luck to you!

@@hungrygoriya Thanks. It appears that I'll need it 😂 But difficulty aside I'm enjoying the hell out of it and I love the aesthetic and artwork that goes with the game.

Oh man... he's definitely someone I might consider partnering with when I finally get around to replaying this. He was my apprentice fight and he was ruthless!

I'm happy you got to play as Esuna... :( If I ever do another playthrough I'm going to try to start with her so she's guaranteed to be my friend this time! It's nice to hear that you came around on it eventually. It really did take a lot of strategy and planning that I'm sure feels a lot more manageable with adult patience.

@@hungrygoriya Definitely make Esuna your main or at least your support. She's damn near the best apprentice in the game due to her high speed stat and stat growth. Powerful magic/buffs along decent physical damage. Unfortunately i ran into a bug/glitch in which I am unable to recruit Lejes, where he's supposed to have a 1 out of 20 chance to join Esuna, I spent nearly 2 hours attempting to recruit him with no success. This was using the fast forward feature on the emulator I was using, as well. I may have to just count my loses and accept that I can't recruit Lejes for some unknown reason. I even went as far as downloading a ROM editor and set the recruit rate to 100% and still no luck. I may stick with Valsu or Olvan as a partner.

@@postplays Esuna was who I wanted to play with initially but I accidentally fought her not knowing I shouldn't do that... soooo I went the whole game lamenting not having had the opportunity to see what she was made of. That's terrible about not being able to recruit Lejes... I have no idea what makes these games tick but I hope you can still enjoy the rest of the game with Valsu or Olvan. I personally loved Olvan because he was reliable in quite a few ways, but he's very slow! Between him and Lux, it was the slowest possible run I think I could've done :D

Glad to hear we had a similar experience. It's tough in places but definitely worth the effort, just as you mentioned here. Good luck on your game development!

@@hungrygoriya Thanks!! I wonder if I should also embrace this kind of uncertainty level and terror in my project. It’s going to be a horroresque game so I am willing to do so :D.

@@hungrygoriya Thank you!! Exactly, the 7th Saga rewards you generously after tough parts. The Wind Rune, Star Rune or the others. It really makes the effort worth it.

Right on! Congratulations on tackling such a challenging run by the sounds of it. Are you looking to reach a certain goal time or just seeing how fast you can get through it? And do you tend to go with certain characters over others? I know nothing about the speedrun!

I think I put over 60 hours in to beat this one... it definitely wasn't short! I'm glad you made it through too.

It's cool that you got to play this one when you were young. I know a lot of people generally don't enjoy this game because of its difficulty factor but I really appreciated a lot of things about it, difficulty included. So many people told me I'd hate it coming into it and it turned out it was actually very fun.

I can understand why you might have felt discouraged. I ended up having to fight Valsu (the priest) as my apprentice fight, and it took me two whole hours to get through without him killing me. It was annoying and I'm sure it could've been even worse with other character combos. A lot of folks would agree the way to play is with a patch these days, if you ever decide to try it again sometime. Thanks for watching!

Good luck with it when you get going! It's definitely tough in spots but well worth the effort in the end. I don't think it's related to the other SaGa games at all. Those are great too though!

Oh nice! I hope it's in good condition :) And I pretty much had a chorus of people saying this game was so hard and so impossible, and while it was in some places, it was also really fun and interesting too. Have fun!

More horns?! MORE HORNS? What madness is this?! And thanks... I really did enjoy this one despite some of the craziness along the way. Those things will just make the experience more memorable for me down the line... it's far from a generic RPG experience, that's for sure!

@@hungrygoriya Always more horns! Less vacuuming, more horns.

I haven't played Secret of the Stars yet, but thanks for the warning, haha

There were lots of fantastic choices made in this game that made it feel truly unique from other stuff released at the time!

If it's the same battle I'm thinking of, I got stuck there for a long time too. There were a few big difficulty spikes for me, but that might've been my party make-up.

He ended up as my apprentice fight and he was already super overpowered at that point in the game. I definitely want to bring him along next time. Some kind of magic user, anyway!

Ha! How do you manipulate who your rival is? In my playthrough, I strolled on in and came face to face with Valsu. Spiders can go to hell!

Always glad to meet others that love this game as well! Lux and Valsu sounds like an awesome team. I was super bummed I didn't get to bring Esuna along with me, but I think Valsu would've been another good choice for me. I love a good healing character! Good luck on your second playthrough as well. I hope you enjoy some of my other videos here on the channel.

It sounds like you got a ton of mileage out of the game even though you haven't finished it. Any plans to take it to the end one of these days? I'd love to play through again some day with Esuna or Lejes... Lejes was one of my first choices but I didn't like how stacked in one direction he was. He made me nervous for a first playthrough. Kamil got on my bad side right away by joining my party even though I told him no... the translation was kinda wonky in that part and I accidentally invited him to come along with me. I actually reset :D

@@hungrygoriya I'm hoping to one day finish it. Unfortunately my back log of games has become ridiculously long since the PS1 days, and with life being what it is, it's difficult to set aside time for an old RPG (especially since I keep pouring my time into modern timesinks like Breath of the Wild and Dragon's Dogma). That said: I hope to reach a point when I can just set aside a few weeks to do nothing but finish games on that backlog, and 7th Saga is right up there near the top of the list. :) Lejes is sort of what I look for in a solo character: a sort of hybrid fighter/mage. Except his learned spells are far more offensive-minded than I generally prefer. My personality tends to be more in line with Kamil or Valsu (all-around or defensive/support), but either choice also requires having at least one other, more offense-focused party member, so as someone who is trying to avoid dealing with other heroes, I have to be able to carry myself, and Lejes combines magic might with the ability to use most weapons (even if he is quite squishy). Admittedly, I had no idea about all this my first time playing as I just liked the idea of playing a demon, but I quickly learned as I went. As I got older, I realized that Esuna fits the solo role a bit better as her magic is quite a bit stronger than Lejes, but unlike the demon, if she ever runs out of magic, she's toast. I'm sorry you had such a poor experience with Kamil. My first experience with Lejes had Wilme do the same thing to me (inviting himself along), and while at first I was really enjoying having someone just rip into enemies and saving me the trouble of using MP, when we managed to get a rune, that was when he decided to attack me for it before I had a chance to rest, and I ended up using most of my items just to beat him because he hits like a truck. Hence: I travel alone. >.>

@@LordSephleon I'm intrigued by the potential that seems to exist in trying out other characters... I'm not sure who I'd choose going forward in another jaunt but I'm still leaning toward Esuna or Lejes. I'd be scared to have MP be the one factor for success in battle, which is why I am also attracted to characters with a balanced skill set. We shall see!

​@@hungrygoriya As a non-spoiler tip to hopefully help you make a decision, I can tell you that both Esuna and Lejes learn spells that let them steal MP from enemies relatively early on. Esuna is more efficient with it as she can steal more per casting than Lejes, but she also has a deeper MP pool. The only thing is that the target has to have MP to steal to begin with, so RNG can really make it difficult to get back much-needed MP while out and about in the world/dungeon. Of the primary casters, only Valsu has some issues getting back MP on the road, I think (I never used him, so I don't know if he learns any MP-restoring magic). Over the years, I've noticed that people seemed to like Lux for his story and playstyle, so if you can get past his clunking around in towns, he might also be a good choice. Wilme might be the most straightforward, but also the most boring as he doesn't really use magic, nor does he need equipment. However, he IS an alien, so if that story interests you... Maybe you could livestream/upload your next playthrough. ;) EDIT: One thing about Esuna: her magic gets really powerful, to the point that even Ice1 can level some early bosses and will likely carry you in many random encounters. She's the epitome of a glass cannon. You're not likely to have to worry about MP if you beeline it to bosses when you are, in fact, going to progress the story instead of XP/gold farming.

Wow! I had no idea... it did feel like things were extremely sparse in a few places. This makes total sense.

I hope you enjoy it! Like I said: there are a few mean parts but it's mostly down to luck, or pure grit to push through. Good luck!

I really loved this game. I hope you give it a try sometime and enjoy it as well. And Thracia 776 eh? I can't say I've heard of it before, but I'm adding it to my list of things to look into.

@@hungrygoriya thracia 776 is a hard one to recommend. It's VERY long and difficult. It ate up my video game time for an embarrassingamount of time. But it is one of the most beautiful 16 bit games and is very well made.

Enjoy it if you do!

This is a tough one! I think I lucked out with a pretty solid team but I can understand other combinations being a lot more difficult to weather the storm with. Thanks for watching!

Lux was definitely a fantastic addition to my party. I'd love to play through again sometime with Esuna. She's still a dream party member for me.

Yeah, that definitely sounds like a less than ideal way to play.

Agreed!

Great recommendation! I love those covers.

I livestream over on Twitch about 4 times a week playing different stuff all the time. I've been moving forward with different games instead of replaying much since I have so many others I'd like to experience, but I'm definitely interested in revisiting this one again sometime with different characters. Thanks so much for your kindness! I'm glad you're enjoying the channel!

I can definitely see why you'd go with him! I also heard it's good to take him along so he doesn't end up being your rival. Apparently he's really hard to beat!

Lux also gets the upgrade in Past Melenam which is nice. But he is easily the slowest player in the game.

@@SirJoelsuf1 I had Lux and Olvan, so yes... I can attest to this.

@@SirJoelsuf1 i dont know about slowest. Theres only 2 different character speeds and lux is no slower than kamil or olvan. And with the stat boost late on technically faster than those two outside of just getting speed maxed

I just took fate wherever it met me. I did do the resets for the permanent stat upgrade items though.

Yeah! I'm excited to replay it with different characters down the line. I think Olvan had access to a whole tower most characters don't get to go into. It's pretty cool, even if it's nuanced.

​@Hungry Goriya i played it once using the demon Lejes, i finished the game solo but iirc i was never aware that its possible to recruit other characters.

@@ianbuenav Oh nice! Lejes was someone I was interested in playing as too. Soloing this game must be so tough. Nice work!

@Hungry Goriya i honestly dont remember much, im not sure if it is possible to recruit a party with Lejes.