Vernestra doesn't know Qimir is a Sith. Sol was the only one left alive that knew that and he never told Vernestra before he died. So she won't say anything to Yoda about Sith cause she doesn't know.
@@dygzHe was obviously trained by or influenced by the Sith. He said at one point that peace is a lie, a direct quote from the Sith Code. He is probably a failed apprentice of Darth Plaguis, or quit him.
I wouldn't say its the first time we've seen the Jedi acting like cops....think of when Obiwan and Anakin ran up on that bar looking for that bounty hunter "Jedi business...nothing to see here" lol
just gotta say i really value your guys view and discussions on the show, seemed like other ppl were not picking up on how interesting and realistic this whole perspective on the jedi is, but you guys actively recognize it and discuss it and its so refreshing to see. People also don't seem to recognize that the jedi way is fallible and not realistic to humans and their emotions, and that its been that way from the original trilogy. Luke actively goes against the teachings of the Jedi and doesn't abandon sentimentality and love, and instead does go save his friends even though he knew it was a trap. He was made stronger by his unwavering love and belief in his father and his friends. It such a core of star wars as a world, and I think its somewhat unfortunate when people don't see that.
And because exposing that there are more dark side users out there out of control will make the senate put higher restrictions on the order. I guess she will want to deal with him silently, not knowing who is there lurking in the cave lol
@AtotheZness well she's the acolyte, probably gonna be offed by plageuis when qimir and her try to kill him and take on the rule of two. (They're toast)
Well, donning Qimir’s helmet was Osha’s first strong reconnection with The Force. She was always partially connected via Mae. More importantly, Osha just couldn’t use the Jedi method to harness The Force. She could connect via a method close to the Witches’ path.
@@dygz pretty sure qimirs the apprentice, not sure why plageuis would be there if he wasn't. Considering it is the cortosis mine from the darth plageuis novel
I think it's a cool but unconfirmed detail that the crystal must be exposed in order for the saber to bleed and that's why we see Osha and Dagan Gera (Jedi Survivor) bleed their sabers but not Anakin in Revenge of the Sith.
I loved Sol but he definitely intended to kill the Aniseya when he pulled the saber. It wasn't premeditated but it also wasn't an accident. It was sparked by his fear and desire around protecting Osha and Mei. Seeing a Jedi who was so emotionally compromised from the word go was really nice because any one who has been paying attention to Star Wars in the broader sense knows that the pretty much every Jedi we have met was not able to live up to the passionless ideal they are supposed to maintain. Obi had Satine in CW, Anakin had...every person in his life, QuiGon was non-specifically companionate to a fault, Mace was wrathful; I actually have a harder time thinking of a Jedi who actually lived up to all of those ideals. Qui-Gon is closest to a "pure" Jedi but even he was compromised. "Peace is a lie" is probably the most truthful part of the Sith code in that is applies to everyone. Still not a fan of the overall pacing but this show was a good watch and added a nice bit of lore and needed nuance to the Jedi and other force traditions. I hope they do a bit less of the blue-balling narrative structure in the ssn2 but I really dug this and it makes me want to read at least a couple of the HR books to get a taste. I haven't read a Star Wars novel in like 20+ except Dark Disciple which was an accidental read.
Y’all’s positivity about media is a beacon in the darkness of all the negativity on the internet. People can’t just enjoy something for what it is. They feel like they need to be mad about something. It’s sad :/
@@trcynicalclan1405 I know what you mean and I agree. Personally I didn't like this show that much, but that doesn't mean I have to be toxic about it and insult and troll other people who actually enjoyed the show.
I honestly feel the same if you don’t like something then don’t watch it. And if you do like it then that’s good. But if not then what is the point of making a whole video saying oh is was trash. What they should do is just not watch it. Me personally I like it some of it was good some of it was not but the show did its job be a Star Wars show.
@@trcynicalclan1405 I didn't like the show, but there is no reason to hate it. Also the only thing I liked were the duels and the ingredients, the intention, but the final result... nope
@@vradamusic Agreed, crappy writing, bad acting, sets and costumes that make it feel like a CW show. If you don't like it don't watch it. I am sad though that this show coupled with some of the previous shows has made me disinterested in following it anymore, I have better things to waste my time on.
The things I liked about this one were Sol vs Qimir fight, seeing the "bleeding" of a kyber crystal in live-action, and J'onn J'onzz/Martian Manhunter calling the Jedi out on their BS. I like what he had to say as that senator.
Reading your comment made me realize something. If either the Jedi kill Qimir and Osha or both die by other means while their are Jedi witnesses, this may explain why the Jedi (in the prequels) believe the Sith are dead as both master and apprentice are dead. Not realizing that Plagueis is lurking in the dark.
Sol was the only one who heard the word Sith, so I’m assuming that Venestra is going to tell Yoda about her old Padawan is alive, and is a “Rogue Jedi”.
@TheRedBrethren he literally said "a jedi like YOU, might call me sith" meaning that's not necessarily what he considers himself to be, Plagueis connection or otherwise.
@dygz which makes sense because due to the Force being everywhere, especially in living beings, anyone whose Force Sentive can tap into it, but don't necessarily be a Jedi or Sith. We have Nightsisters, Mandalorians, Force Beasts, and Godlike entities. Heck, even plants and planets can access the Force.
I don’t think that Vernestra is talking to Yoda about Sol and all that mess. I think that she’s talking to him about her apprentice that she just found out he’s alive and went to the dark side.
But her apprentice WAS the “mess”... I’m sure he could read her mind to find the truth. The actual truth is what she’ll tell Yoda so he can help her cover it up.
I'm almost sure she wants to talk about Mae and what to do with her. I wouldn't be surprised if for some reason they would decide she needs to be trained to avoid her using her powers for the dark side, basically making Mae and Osha switch sides completely.
I really really enjoyed the finale and show. RIP Sol, i didnt think he'd get outta of it alive. Him being choked on the L-word was gold. i need season 2 to follow osha/qimir, and venestra as she tries to find them. I think they could do multiple seasons showing us the rise of Sith and follow the Jedi trying to cover up stuff and deal with the senate.
The first thing that came to mind when the credits rolled, was when Senator Organa was told by Yoda, "Failed, I have". This finale rocked! That lightsaber fight is my new favorite in all of Star Wars. I enjoyed the entire series except for the Witches chant. Oh, and the short episode run times. Great reaction, guys!
I think Qimir learning about the creation of the twins will lead to his reporting it to Plagueis, and that's how Plagueis gets the idea to try and create new life from the Force.
Thanks to Adam, Hector and Agustin! 🌑 Great to see the first canonical depiction of 'Plagueis'. 🔸 And how wild to see a kyber crystal actually being bled?!
When you think about them actually being ONE person, the yin and the yang, all the times they flip personalities makes sense. Like a scale or balance. I like that touch.
Shout out to all of the people who will read the Plagueis book now and will find out how stupid these people are making claims about his age when the book itself literally does not tell us. Wookipedia putting false info on their site has made everyone dumber. Also Without Venestra knowing about Plagueis she would have no reason to assume her fallen former apprentice was involved with anything Sith related. So even if she tells Yoda what she knows that doesn’t mean the Sith come into it. Heroes I love you guys thanks for everything.
Guys, thx for your enjoyment of the show!! Other channels actually were negative about Plagueis showing up instead of celebrating his first live action appearance. Shows how far gone some people are.
It would be very Sith for them to allow Osha to feel justified in killing Sol for a while, and then tell her more of the truth later to cause her to doubt herself, and be manipulated further in that way. maybe even to send her into despair.
I loved this show SO MUCH and I’m praying we get a season two cause I need more of it. I love how positive you guys are about Star Wars when there are so many haters out there that feed off the hate they give out. You guys are the best!
@33:07 Hector, exactly! I think that’s why in the last Jedi, Yoda told Luke “the greatest teacher failure is!” As for baby Palps… I saw somewhere a theory of Qimir and Osha ending up becoming the parents…lol how crazy would that be 😅
Man! You guys just get it! Well done!! I so appreciate your nuanced and detailed take. Though I will say to Agustin, Yoda can be blind. Let's not forget High Counsel Member Sipho Dyas commissioned an entire army of clones right under Yoda's nose. As I submitted this, Hector starts to make this exact same point! LOVE you guys' takes!
This episode was a wild ride. Plus some familiar faces, paths changed, and a wicked battle. Cannot believe it is the season finale. I honestly hope there will be a season two.
RE: Qimir potentially becoming Palpatine's master after killing Plagueis: Kylo's theme plays several times throughout episode 5, and there's a very strong theory that Qimir (And Osha) will go on to found the Knights of Ren
Not going to lie i was quite surprised to see that Osha bleed Sol's lightsaber in her anger and even use Force Choke on him, he even seemed to have accepted it by the end. I was quite surprised how Sol was not repentant at all for killing Aneseya. It seems that hiding the secret for so long he started to rationalize excuses for his actions, like care for Osha or making sure the Jedi learned about the vergence. Great lightsaber sequence between Sol and Qmir. Despite everything Sol was still a very skilled fighter to be able to win against a darksider who defeated 7 Jedi. And Venestra was indeed Qmir's master.Also all her talk about how Sol was a good man who let a mistake fester and change him it was so obvious she was talking about herself and whatever happened with Qmir. She was even lying to the senate and i bet she won't tell the whole truth to Yoda. She is going to use the now without memory Mae to hunt for Qmir and maybe will even end up with the same fate as Sol. I think she will tell the truth about Sol, Indara, Torbin and Kelnacca but hide the part about her old padawan, let it be some unknown Force user that she needs to investigate. I get the feeling trying to kill Qmir wasn't something sanctioned by the Jedi Council before. And so the cycle of lies done by the Jedi keep going until they are fully trapped in the Sith's web. By the way I think Plagueis was spying on them. Wonder if looking for future prospects or checking a possible competition. Great episode and we need a season 2 of this now!
I’m happy we finally got him in LA only I deeply wish it was much stronger of an entrance. Say like on some planet he has more of the entrance the Stranger had.
Qimir is Plagueis acolyte He is seeking the power of two to defeat him and his master Tenebrous. Plageuis can conceal himself and cannot be sensed, he thought palpatine how to hide his presence in the future. But he will learn from osha the truth about creating life. The Jedi do not see quimir as a sith but as a rogue Jedi, so that's why they don't connect the dots.
Its been so much fun watching with yall. So many emotions the entire season, the finale has me smiling just thinking of the possibility of 100 years of road to pmay with. 😊
I actually think Acolyte is currently the most divisive piece of Star Wars I have seen so far. I’ve seen so much hate and disdain from a segment of people who view Star Wars in a certain way, and on the other end of the spectrum, there are also people who really enjoyed the show. It seems to me that as much as the show has some major writing flaws (in my opinion), Star Wars has a wide range of fans with different political views and tastes that I think it’s such a steep slope to climb to cater to everyone.
You must have been a kid when the prequels came out. OT fans hated the prequels & also attacked Lucas (hell there is a documentary called the People v. George Lucas which I believe is on RU-vid where they just shit of the prequels & Lucas) and the actors. I believe this may have been one of the reason as to why Lucas sold SW to Disney & why Jake Lloyd quit acting.
@@SuperCred1t I don't necessarily disagree regarding the disappointment in the show's writing, but I would also be remised if I didn't point out that writing in any art is subjective. IMHO, I don't believe any of the writing in live-action SW was ever its strength.
@@Redrgon25 To add to your point, I remember being a teenager during the height of the prequel trilogy. To say that Gen X’ers hated those movies was an understatement. I’ll never forget the message boards. Hell, Simon Pegg would go on to make it apart of his brand. The vitriol would make the most ardent prequel fanboy wince.
I think Qimir has no idea Plagueis is there. I think he's pulling the strings from the shadows and manipulated to get Qimir and Osha together and they will be a dyad which is the power of two that are one like Ben Solo and Rey. I think that Qimir will become the first Knight of Ren and Sol's saber will become the Ren. It makes way more sense why then in the prequels they think the Sith are extinct because then Qimir is not a Sith - just a dark side user. Then I think the connection with Qimir and Vernestra connects with then Ben Solo and Luke Skywalker with a similar story which then Ben find a kinship with the Knights of Ren with the first Ren story being similar to his own.
I'll say it before, I'll say it again, I really love the community you guys are attempting to put out here. You can talk openly and honestly about Star Wars. You don't have to love everything but just enjoying experiencing the story with your friends. While there are absolutely spot on criticisms about this show (and I have my own), there are a lot of things to like about Acolyte and I hope they make a second season.... and longer episodes. They need longer episodes to allow characters time to grow and the story time to develop from beginning to end.
It's always good to spend time with one of the most intelligent & thoughtful trios we have out here in these RU-vid streets. I loved episodes 5,6 & 8 and had problems with the writing and pacing for the rest of the series, but I really want a second season after seeing how things were left open for more of the story to be told.
Lets take this to a Star Trek point of view, The Jedi would be seen as the Vulcans and the Sith would be the Romulans, the Vulcans would do everything they can to suppress their emotions, while the Romulans would follow the ways of their ancestors, but no matter how much suppression the Vulcans do to suppress them, they would still fail at curtain times in their history when trying to suppress them, like for example during the time of Pon-far, the Vulcan mating cycle or the Vulcan version of Alzheimer's, Bendai Syndrome where they start losing control of their emotions, because a Vulcan without Logic is no Vulcan at all.
All I'm gonna say is if they greenlight S2 I would like it to REALLY focus on dark side characters, dark side force abilities, all things dark side especially after that cameo -- like they marketed the show to be. I understand this marked the beginning of the fall of the Jedi Order but I was underwhelmed w the dark side representation so I would like to see S2 really double down on that. Like they say in Chernobyl, "it's not great, but it's not terrible" -- sums up my feelings for the show. RIP my fav character Sol. I thought he either would be killed by Osha or be banished from the Order and be the scapegoat for the events at Brendok, but turns out he would be both lol I'm gonna miss him -- and JJ, phenomenal actor.
I love how positively and objectively you approach the current Star Wars projects and don't think everything is stupid from the start. That's why I love watching your reactions and look forward to everything that's to come! For me, the show was up and down. I liked the last episodes, but wasn't a big fan of the first episodes. Still looking forward to a second season if one comes. Keep up the good work! 👌
This show was great at starting something new but familiar, its sad that a lot of people choose to blindly hate it. Cant wait to see the continuation and flash backs of these set of characters, Qimir is a new fave
THANKS for this!!!! But frankly, if somebody asked me, a #casualStarWarsperson, if they should watch #StarWarsAcolyte, I would tell them to watch #StarWarsVisions first and then watch a live-action *unsuccessful* attempt at this kind of story. Or I would tell them to just watch #StarWarsAndor followed by #StarWarsRogueOne and just call it a day! #StarWars #Jedi
It’s so refreshing to see you guys actually enjoy what we’re all watching instead of just screaming and yelling “down with Disney Star Wars” the whole episode!
This show was a surprise hit for me. I really had no idea this was coming out and wow I really love it. I hope they get a go signal for season 2. Also love how you guys don’t let the negativity affect your review of the show. Forever a fan 💗💗
Great review! I enjoyed the series. Two things about Sol. A. This is why we hire a competent lawyer to represent us in court. He did not explain himself very well when his life was on the line. B. For all his flaws, the Kyber didn’t turn red in his hands. I think he passed in peace. I mean, if Anakin could be redeemed… Edit- I see that the khyber has to be exposed to be bled? Even so, I still think Sol died in peace.
Hiii! I paused 4:29 just feel like it was an important detail that Bazil saw Sol stun Mae when she was about to speak to Coruscant and you could tell Bazil was surprised or unsettled by it(maybe isn’t obvious but that’s what I noticed at least). He did attack her before I knooooow but not since. Feels like he sensed or interpreted that Mae isn’t really that bad but Sol was giving negative vibes. Also while I’m commenting.. I think mother Aniseya is more powerful as the leader and why she was able to manipulate Torbin by herself VS the coven needed to manipulate Kelnacca. I’m not sure if this information is still canon? But I think in this universe, force users are more powerful as each generation comes about. So the “twins” would be more powerful force witches than Aniseya. Osha in the helmet maybe amplified that quickly and Qimir got lucky? I have more but I’m tired of typing. Thanks for the video!
I don't their mom was trying to absorb Mae, she was going to go into her to find out what she was screaming about. Mae was so hysterical, she couldn't tell her mom what happened about the fire. Not sure why everyone was thinking Anasaya (not sure if this is how you spell her name) was trying to harm anyone.
So somehow Mother Aniseya was right with her prophecy when she said to Sol "Someday, those noble intentions you all have will destroy every Jedi in the galaxy".
The Plagueis reveal, the bleeding of the lightsaber, the lightsaber fight, Vanestra making Sol the fall guy for everything, So much really enjoyed it. Hope there is a season 2. Enjoying your review of it all. Agree with your guys thoughts. Keep up great work guys. last season of Bad Batch is great you guys need to watch and review soon.
Well they literally just showed him on the Island he owned and mined from legends. So they are pretty close to a lot of it. Though Tenebrous is pretty clearly dead by this point.
Not necessarily. Plagueis could have been training Qimir as his acolyte but he's now gone rogue and enlisted Mae, so that both of them could overthrow Plagueis and Tenebrous Plagueis may now realize this and Tenebrous will order him to destroy both of them two He could also be dead for sure haha. But I have a feeling he's still alive. Kinda like how Palpatine, Plagueis and Maul were all around
I am almost 100% sure that this series is The Tragedy of Darth Pladgius, the book is NOT canon, it could be an adaptation, and the timeline would be pretty accurate. I wouldn't be surprised to see several well-known characters in the next season.
😊 Hector, thanks man because when you are giving your perspective on events in the show, it gets my brain working when I have an idea of something and I can’t quite get it focused. Guys what I have gathered from this season, is that in the Star Wars universe at that time there are various pockets of dark force users, but not necessarily specifically Sith. So then, for me, what that means is a jump to the idea that the Sith have risen or is about to rise again would be a very high stretch only because what this show is telling me is that several different entities and groups access the dark side of the force, and therefore the Jedi keep an eye on it. So what I’m trying to say is that to jump to the conclusion for the Jedi there on the show that it’s the Sith and they’re on the move would be a highly improbable idea, but that a former Jedi has lead towards the dark side of the force is not impossible.
i suspect we might not get renewal news until Celebration but genuinely hope to see them again soon. also, that's a brilliant thought process on the Jedi as Police. i would absolutely love seeing more David Harewood in Star Wars.
A lot of people want Yoda to be a hero, but honestly that train has long since passed. Yoda's defining element is how fallible and human he is. And the choices we see him make both in Clone Wars and high republic books make Vernestra look like a saint in comparison.
I have a theory to bring up. What if DARTH TENEBROUS is the Senator in this episode without his helmet on. For him to know so much info about the jedi.
Potentially, there could end up being more seasons of this show than any other Star Wars series because they have a 100 year window here to play in. Also, since we don’t know entirely the origin story of Osha and Mae, perhaps there is a way to trigger her Jason Bourne style at a later point……
I'm hoping for CGI Yoda for season 2 because Frank Oz isn't getting any younger in years remember, he wouldn't be able to hold the Puppet like he use to, but he can still probably do the voice for him.
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