The ACTUAL problems with modern fighting games 

Delay wakeups are the worst things created

Imagine having to guess after being rewarded getting a hit, ok

In general I think delay wakeups is a good idea. In Tekken you are given a lot of freedom with how you want to get up. The cost is that you can be directly punished for not getting up fast enough with ground hitting moves. In general I think most fighting games shouldn't give as much invulnerability on wakeups as they give. However I think doing so to Fighterz would be a bad idea since it would really be a compounding losing scenario for whoever got hit first, and would make matches last even longer if you were guaranteed to block a 10 second block string after waking up. Delay wakeup invincibility doesn't really make since in other fighting games because DBFZ is a game made with mixing up the opponent being the defining point of play. That being the case requires that your wakeup options be better to even the playing field. I propose that instead of delay down tech as the solution to immediate pressure another solution might be a wake-up reflecting option like down+S that would hard parry the opponent instead of pushing them back so you could always get a 2m starter. But also have more recovery time then a regular reflect, and couldn't be cancelled in any way or call assists. Since the option would be an all or nothing exchange it would be much easier to actually do something about it. Games not designed like DBFZ should not have heavy wake up invincibility.

@@kylefields3951 I mean, if we're going by pure anecdotal evidence than matches would likely be even shorter, since only the top of the general dbfz player-base have good defense outside of reflect>tag or delay tech mash, and those options might as well be safe DP's unless you hard bait that shit.

@@thyme3972 I'm just not sure how you balance wakeups for such a mixup heavy game like DBFZ. Tekken seems so effortless in the implementation on how to wakeup. It's a delicate balance to be sure and for DBFZ there's only been a single title to iron out the kinks. Tekken has had the fortune of many titles to sharpen it's wake up mechanics. As an individual I feel that up tech mash is way more consistently rewarding and harder to pin down since only a few characters like Piccolo have hard anti air answers. I don't mind delay tech mash at all honestly but I know that each player will view the same game differently.

Also since jumping gives u so many options people barely stay on the ground to begin with.

I think I barely noticed that cuz it’s negligible but I think some good examples are tohan and 16. Weirdly fat buu is more floaty but idk why. Could be his cape

They'll change this in the sequel man. I'm sure of it. They've already been putting out surveys to ask people how they feel about super dash and characters like Roshi give me hope.

@@GG256_ u really think that FighterZ 2 its real?

I used to hate jumping in the game and now I love it.

Ive been playing fighters for 20+ years. Competitively for 10 years (on and off) and I can honestly say DBFZ is the hardest fighter ive ever played in my life. There are so many game mechanics both offensive and defensive that keeping up with all your options is mentally exhausting. Now there are games with more mechanics but NONE has as many densely packed into each frame as DBFZ. Its by far has the highest game-mechanic-to-game-speed ratio ive ever seen. Lil Knighty blasphemously down played DBFZ as a game where "oH yOu cAn mAkE dEcIsIoNs FAST?! U GUUUUD!" Bruh making the right decision in the shortest amount of time is literally the highest pinnacle of skill. Theres a reason why the best players tend to have better reactions times because SPEED KILLS. The difficulty in being able to dive into a large pool of options and pull out the right one faster than your opponent *consistently* cannot be understated Its the only fighting game in existence where you have to be on your guard at all times. Its the most stressful neutral ever created. Marvel 3 is close but at super jump height you dont have to worry nearly as much you would on the ground. In DBFZ, Super Dash existing makes Super Jump height even MORE stressful sometimes! Youre literally never safe at any distance If this game had standard controls and combos then it would be freakin unplayable except to only the most masochistic players.

@@jdrmanmusiqking Hmm, that's an interesting opinion I'll have to think about. I think the players both having superdash and vanish makes neutral really explosive because any mistake or opening can lead to at least a 2 touch situation. I'd still say Smash is more difficult to master due to the sheer amount of dexterity and knowledge it takes to play at a high level. That being said, I totally agree with the points you made.

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Ur not alone trust me ui goku is a braindead character. A big nerf is needed

@@xodiac-gg7049 mm idk I like the gap ngl makes it easier for new players to actually enjoy the game

@@xodiac-gg7049 that instant transmittion punch needs to either be was delayed has Frieza/ Videl's lv3 or cost meter to use. maybe both

@@roxassalvatore3105 yeah but the problem comes when these players get mad when you kill their precious OP dlc character and ragequit on a ranked match. Then you dont have a new player, you have a new "low tier god" throwing tantrums.

@@ruikirisame1744 the only problem I have with it is with many characters and I mean half the roster deflecting UI Goku is pretty useless because you’ll either end up getting hit or you’ll miss the second deflect and hell be right in your face as if you never deflected and he can continue as if nothing happened, only problem I have with UI...

Damn I forgot about comeback mechanics LMAO

@@LordKnightfgc I didn't actually think you'd reply to this. Also, congrats on your wins in Nationals.

@@raive2this818 My take on fixing limit break is cutting it in half while sparking is activated. It doesnt make sense that you get such a huge reward for converting a much better than normal block string into a hit.

@@maremare9366 But I want to TOD people from two buttons, one special, and one super 🗿

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I dont like this idea that competitive fighting games have to have a neutral. K.I takes heaps of skill in blocking, breaking, counter breaking, mix up and much more. The game doesn't really have a neutral but I would argue its one of the more skill based games I've played. Point being we don't have to dumb down mechanics and character just so we can have footsies

Tbf, arc sys has done a lot to address the homogeneous combo routes. Subsequent patches gave most characters new routes that others do not share and barely any have the same optimal routes (just one reason Goku Black is memed so much, his combo routes are basic af and unlike UI Goku - who is also extremely basic - they aren't impressive damage-wise).

@@PathBeyondTheDark I figured that would be the case with patches. I legit gave up on the game too early on. that's on me. I was done after the Bardock release. I didn't play much after that. from what I hear it's a different game than that now. maybe one day I'll go back to it

@@zerobeatw2059 That's fair. Hope you do return. I don't agree with all the changes but I do believe most, if not all, will agree it is a better game now then a few months into season 1.

@@PathBeyondTheDark I can believe that based on even what little I do know about the changes

Most characters have sick combos now, and the game has developed to a point where there are a bunch of characters that actually play very differently to an extent, despite a lot of stuff being homogenous. There's also a lot more freedom when it comes to making your team due to every character having 3 assists. That said, the online sucks, so unless you have irl friends who play or at least live in a big enough city to consistently find 1 frame matches, it's hard to recomment getting back into the game. I say that as a massive fan of the game. The online will frustrate you to no end if you actually get into it.

SF4 >>>>>> SF5 lol

@@lukejones7164 With all due respect - if that's all you have to say, then you might as well not say anything.

@@_Adie Its an objective fact that SF4 is better than SF5. It takes more skill and thought to play, allows for more player individuality, there's far less robbery and it moves at a better pace. The only thing 5 does better than 4 is the roster and character designs.

@@lukejones7164 See? Should've said that from the start. Now there's something to actually talk about. I wouldn't go as far as saying that it's an "objective fact," but I don't disagree in general. I just don't think things like that are easily quantifiable, since those are different games with different mechanics. Besides, one is better than the other by what metric? This all is kind of besides the main point anyway. I only used Street Fighter IV and V as examples, because those were the games I was the most familiar with.

Yessss and it’s kind of funny because the supers and all that are like fast forward versions of the original.

@@clarinetmaster5990 would you want goku screaming for 5 minutes before he hits you with a level 3

I wanna punch my monitor every time I play Super Broly....

@@MishimaTyler I literally check my phone lol especially when he’s optimized, I sleeeep

I just can't watch people play any of the Netherrealm fighting games for this reason. I know it's sort of a personal taste thing, but when *regular throws* are longer than supers in other games it really hurts the flow of the game. I don't mind cinematic moves/supers as long as you really only see about one per round, two at most... and they shouldn't be more than a few seconds long.

Maybe we add a button for special moves isnt that what grandblue tried? Maybe we get rid of light medium heavy specials? Make the light qcf do one move the medium do an entirely different move.

@@xSABRET00TH Those are some good ideas, but I still find that limiting.

Nah, they have a bunch of ways of adding moves, even with simplified inputs.

Have you seen Roshi's moveset?? They can quite easily have characters with a ton of moves my guy🙄

They have the ability to map moves to double taps, such as with UI Goku's Down > Down + X (Special). They can do this for all buttons and all directions. They can also map more moves to holding two buttons or directions at once. They have plenty of room to give characters more options, they just don't.

Unless I'm misunderstanding, LK is saying the opposite. A lot of modern fighters, especially DBFZ, come down to who can guess or read the opponent better rather then how much you practiced your setplay. It encourages rps - rock-paper-scissors - above having a strategic gameplan, and thus the games are a lot more neutral heavy and chaotic. Players just throw out moves without care hoping to land a hit with Support cover or not, then on wakeup bait on both offense and defense rather then execute actual oki or blocking. The game rewards this style of play because even if you get punished, you have a ton of options on wakeup - leaving offense having to guess and in many situations, be punished themselves for guessing wrong.

​@@PathBeyondTheDark I could not really agree with him on the oki part. Dragonball still has huge oki in the corner which you reach with pretty much any bnb and it's a two / three touch game in general (for each character). Also he made a bit of a messy point when talking about RPS / mindgames. He first goes on at 5:10 that old players want mindgames / reading (mental chess aka rps with 6 options) but at the same time they kinda don't because apperently that's a bad thing when it happens in Dragonball (11:15 "they (the devs) want you to win with neutral and reading")? I didn't really understand the point he wanted to make with this. Dragonball has a lot of neutral and knockdown pressure. The critic towards it being often about system mechanics (super dash) and generic is valid tho. The rest was a bit muddy idk. The point you make about "leaving offense having to guess and in many situations, be punished themselves for guessing wrong" is talked about in 14:12 (guessing game on knowdown in the defenders favor). Those situations where also there in really old games. With counterhits being huge opportunities in GG as well. Maybe they were lesss common but even in DB you can just not use an assist in a combo and often cover all tech options in the corner (which I already said is kinda bound to happen from a combo in this game). Side note: I think everything they took out of the game (well most of it) like snap just made the game better in the long run.

Yeah, I talked about this on stream and could have explained it a little better. Old players like the "feel" that comes from having apparently unstructured random situations (like getting a poke you can't combo off of). The following situation is a generally organic one of char options vs character options. This is good imo. What I'm not a fan of is when a system mechanic heavily forces this situation. DBFZ has several mechanics that force you into this, it has nothing to do with how the characters interact at all. RPS is going to be a factor in fighting games no matter what, but IMO these days it is built into the game as a feature of the game, rather than the logical result of building out a situation.

@@Zeruel The problem is all the defensive options a player has at their disposal during a sliding knockdown situation. Traditionally in fighters the offensive player is rewarded with guaranteed, or near guaranteed, oki (mixup on wakeup). This sounds skewed and in some cases it is, but as it stands DBFZ rewards random defense and so learning oki is less rewarding. You can jump onto the game, read the inputs for defensive mechanics such as teching or reflecting, mix up what you do and as long as you are not predictable get out of a lot of SKD situations unscathed or even on top. Basically, *defense takes no effort.* Learning to block takes effort, takes commitment, but unless you are really good at it you are not rewarded for that commitment. Likewise, learning your oki and mixups down to the frame takes efffort and commitment. But then you can be beat by a player down teching, something that literally takes no skill or time to do, even after all that practice.

​@@LordKnightfgc I still understood those points and I understand it's hard to keep stuff like this structured when just talking on stream. I completly agree that GG characters are more dope than DBFZ chars for a lot of reasons. The video still got me to appreciate the different knockdown speeds more as I am learning GGXXAC+R with a friend right now.

BBTAG has simple controls but is very complex. The things you can do in that game are crazy. It allows for large amounts of creativity, and uniqueness at the pro level.

My biggest problem with BBTAG is the removal of a lot of characters options fromy their original game. When I play Ragna, I want ALL of his normals accessible and not locked behind auto combos. Otherwise that game probably has my favorite tag mechanics.

@@JameboHayabusa I personally think the tag mechanics are to out of control at high-level play. Getting sandwhich combo'ed by 2 broken characters as if they were the Clovers everytime they win a neutral exchange with tag meter sucks

I mean, won't say fuck the people who bashed the game because of that (because I was, and to some extent still am one of those people), but the main thing a lot of people (myself included) who came from say BB or Uni didn't like that the characters felt so watered down in comparison to their original games. Would I wanna deal with CF Izayoi with an assist? Probably not, would it feel fun and rewarding for the person playing them? Absolutely. We're already playing a tag game, which is known for having a whole bunch of bullshit that you likely can't block/avoid entirely, why not let people go nuts?

Exactly this. They should've advertised stylish mode more heavily.

Now that's Tuna with Bacon! I'd love a CvS game format where you pick your mechanics.

I feel like we been buying the same watered down games for a while now. Its just time to bring the Complexity back. EVERY anime fighter or fighter in general does not need to be overly simplified yall flooding the market with games they might sell well but lack depth and the players don’t stick around.

MBAA grooves affect what system mechanics you have available. Give it a try!

@@LordKnightfgc just tried it. I really like it even though idk none of these characters. Rollback do ya thing.

So basically you can't one touch someone like the pathetic sweat you are you won't buy the game

@@funichigo I don't much care about death combos. I'm more of a tech person. Most of my time in fighting games are spent in practice mode. I enjoy finding setups, oki, cheap crap and stuff alike. The less creative the game usually means the weaker and less tech there is. If developers are trying too hard to dictate a certain path for their games then I'm not interested. I'm more fond of letting the players do that.

I imagine things like weights and wakeup timings are designed in an effort to make everyone "feel" unique and individual just like you said and not have everything perfectly answered. Just have everything solved by "feel" because thats easier when the internet was smaller and information doesn't spread as much. Now as the fgc develops everyone wants to calculate every situation and find the perfect right answer. Its a natural progression, but because everyone wants to find these perfect answers it leads to devs making these things easier to find and therefore reducing the complexity and eliminating possible interactions.

@@nioru7443 Its simple u guys r missing the sad but true point....the more popular a game gets...the more u want to increase ur audience and the way most choose to do that is to simplify the game so its easier to understand for new players...essentially making the game less unique complex and fun so they can make more money. Sad but true.

I've played for about a year, and actually teaching someone to play right now. Learn a good combo for the charecters your playing that gives you a leg up just because if you hit someone, it's your turn they can't burst out till it's done. Footsies, neutral, whatever is mega important and I find it very hard to teach, the best advice is everything you do should have a reason and plan. That comes with charecter knowledge and game knowledge. We can play sometime if you'd like though my internet is a bit inconsistent and I'm evenings only

Because the game looks like garbage; visuals are the absolute number one draw and appeal to any casual newbie thinking of picking up a fighting game.

@@punishedbrak4255 The visuals are great wdym

Ur wildin. His damage, oki, and assist are all good enough for him to keep getting used. Krillin's hurtbox is not that much bigger than GT's so changing that won't do anything. GT was pay simply just pay to win in season 2. Changing character height would not have changed that in S2 and it won't change anything now S3.5. Also teen Gohan is top 6 so why reference him as if he is bad.

not really... gt would've still been the most used in season 2 cause no other character had his lvl3. In season 3 and 3.5 after nerfs he'd still be fine due to his assist, good ex moves and crazy damage among other things. The size is another boon for the character but it's icing on the cake compared to the main reasons people use him.

The video is saying this is a good thing, having to learn matchups rather then just jumping on, making a read and shaving off 60% of a health bar after looking up a combo video on YT. Basically, *stop rewarding players who put no effort in and punishing those who put 100's of hours in.*

dont you mean "auto combos continuing after whiffing" ?

Delay tech isn't new

Delay tech is in a lot of different fighting games but I get what you're saying.

Auto combo whiffing is fine, opens up a ton of options. Course re-direction on whiff however is bs.

@@PathBeyondTheDark I'm sorry I disagree with that. Auto combos are meant to help players out, not solve neutral for them (in case of dragon ball fighterz) or put whoever mashed auto combo in a perfect advantageous position Uniclr does autocombos perfectly imo. They only continue on hit or block and if they hit, the auto ends in a super that although does a moderate damage, it's not the optimal damage the character is capable of

I could never relate to those jobless no lies

I'm just glad that's not gone in all FGs some just kind kept it the same with every knock down I can understand why they might take it out in some situations though.

He's floats more than other characters.

@@LordKnightfgc thanks for answering just tested it to see for myself kinda crazy i didnt notice all this time

and a new fighting game make it a lot worse

@@blueperiodfan4725 I'm actually enjoying the hell out of strive. Very good for begginer and not that many mechanics

Nah, you would know.

@@LordKnightfgc I lowkey wanted it to be another Dark LK review but the content was still good as always.

Guessing it’s a lil weird with CC2?

@@prestigini3150 that would be epic

Thats why i love killer instinct. Every character is so different and are all different from eachother. No character is the same

Dude, I'm not trying to invalidate your point here but I don’t know if you've ever played a CoD game with a bot on the hardest difficulty. Dunno if they've changed since then but my latest experience is Black Ops 3, and oh sweet baby Jesus is their aim good. I think in general, making CPU opponents just read your inputs on top of having more attack and defense than you is, and always has been bullshit. And I noticed that they do it in the older games I've picked up too, so this may not be a modern problem.

I mean, there are lots of situations where going for harder combos give you a big advantage. Look at Cloud's analysis of some of the nationals matches and count the amount of times he says something along the lines of "he could've killed if he had gone with x harder combo". Hard, optimal combos are something that's very much rewarded in Dragon Ball. You can still play at a very high level without them but there's no way you can look at Fenritti play and not see how important optimization is in this game. Kazunoko is pretty much the only top player that doesn't give a fuck about hard combos. Also, they're definitely trying to remedy the issue of weirder characters being weak. Z Broly is ironically one of the most unique characters in the game. Beerus, Ginyu, Jiren, Janemba, Majin Buu, Blue Vegeta and 18 are all strong now. 17 probably is, too, but nobody plays him so who knows. They are also trying to give some characters more unique tools, like Gotenks' ability to cancel his specials into his other specials and being able to bring people down to the ground after smash, Tien's beam buff, Blue Vegeta's buffed ki blasts. They also just added Roshi. Hopefully by the time the game is done getting updates they'll all be good, though I struggle to imagine how they're gonna make Videl into something. The devs holding the game back is definitely a real issue, though. The double super nerf, meter penalty, the constant effort to kill lvl 3 oki, the fuzzy nerf and the snap nerf all ended up holding back the game in certain ways. IMO the double super nerf and meter penalty ended up working well for the game in the long run, but nerfing all snap, fuzzies and lvl3 oki at the same time puts the game in a weird position were you have to work really hard to get just a crumb of mix or even get any actual reward for getting a hit other than damage. Snap had some issues similar to double supers where they "forced" you to play to play specific characters/teams and made aspects of the game samey while also making combo optimization less important (universal fuzzy made the issue with team composition less relevant, but IMO that should've been nerfed regardless of anything they did to snap, it was almost some early season 1 A. Gohan/A16 level shit), and fuzzies made tall characters feel bad, so I get why they got rid of them. But the lvl 3 nerfs across the board is exclusively some "we don't want you to have oki" shit. It doesn't acomplish anything. If they wanted balance, they could've buffed the weaker lvl 3s. I really don't get why they hate oki so much that you can't get some real dirt after spending 3 bars to finish a combo, especially since spark and meter penalty are things that are in the game and should help balance things out.

Yeah, there is a bunch of good things about DBFZ for sure. Likeable IP, well balanced overall, interesting take on neutral, very easy to pick up while still having a lot of depth, I can go on and on. Not sure if I said in the video, but every fg will have some problems, it's the nature of the genre. It's just commentary on what I think the path is right now. Old games are romanticized too, and they are far from perfect.

@@LordKnightfgc Thanks for the reply man, keep on entertaining us as long as you're having fun as well :D.

In DBFZ at least, I find neutral the toughest part, and that basically comes down to just D-Pad directions.

My problem with easy inputs like auto combos in fighterz is that the last hit becomes a grab which is bull because they can just mash like a mad man and get rewarded for it

@@dirtychris5407 What do you mean by that? Every single autocombo ending is mad unsafe. No one ends a blockstring with 5LLL unless it's a mixup situation with an assist. Or a tick-throw.

@@dirtychris5407 There's only like 3 characters who's autocombos end with command grabs, and only Zamasu can set up into it solo. That's the thing though, he needs to set it up. everyone else needs very specific assists to do it otherwise.

@@eduardoserpa1682 the third hit of an auto combo always ends up being a grab and this is for characters like Broly GT UI Zamasu and probably others I play with a friend of mine and he loves whiffing his first two hits into a grab because the game rewards mash which makes it unsafe for you to be in the air as you could get grabbed as soon as you hit the floor but if you try attacking on your way down the enemy could just down heavy you and get a free combo the only way out of this is to just keep the pressure

Power Rangers is also up there imo

He was at the top because he abused the lack of a punishment for rage quitting dude

@@zilkiffalali3113 Then I'll correct the comment

Yeah ppl that play fighterz are generally more unga bunga yolo, myself included.

@@zilkiffalali3113 Still rewards a style of play called rps (rock-paper-scissors). Basically, the best guesser is the one most rewarded. At mid-level play and lower (where most online players are atm) it also rewards just choosing an option and getting lucky you picked the right option and getting a 50-60% health combo off of it, not even having to be good at reads. This makes more players competitive without having to really learn much about the game outside a few combos.

@@PathBeyondTheDark I really enjoy RPS conceptually for how welcoming the game can be but in alot of contexts it just allows people to win against others without having put half the effort into learning the game as their opponent might have. Add in really accessible characters like Ultra Ignoramus Goku and the game can, at times, fail to reward legacy skill as much I'd prefer a fighting game to do. Because the IP in question is of course Dragon Ball, the designers wanted to capture that back and forth action the series in commonly known for. In alot of ways, I think the game represents what Dragon Ball is at it's absolute best and worst moments.

Your argument doesn't really hold when we have people playing Smash Ult competitively. That's 80+ matchups, and there's new players getting into it competitively every day. EDIT: sorry not 80+ matchups, 80+ characters, which is roughly around 3000 matchups

@@Genoh_ I don't see how that disproves my argument of being able to afford to lose that kind of complexity, but I understand what you're getting at. Just because something is harder to learn doesn't mean that it's going to be less popular. People *can* learn matchups and it's not difficult, I'm just of the mind that it's uninteractive complexity. The only thing one of the players did was pick a character on the character select screen, but that's all it takes for the other player to have to fully reconsider their combo routes. This is coming from a long time player of street fighter, skullgirls, dragonball and TFH, none of which have variable knockdown, so again I don't have much ground to work with. I plan on getting into guilty gear eventually, but I'm waiting on Strive before I do.

@@kevingriffith6011 after rereading your first comment, I actually understand what you're saying now, and I agree. There are things like having to do a different combo because a character is a lightweight vs a mediumweight, stuff like that isn't great.

Tbf, kinda is, but i get what you re saying

@@highvian ?

Not so much it lacks depth as much as it dosent enable cheap playstyles. You have to consider a lot while on the offensive as opposed to other fighting games where the offensive player dosent have to worry about much. Ui goku is the best example of this but he needs to be nerfed.

I do wish that there was more variety between each character, it's the reason I never have a main team. If they just had more characters like Hit, Roshi or Nappa, I think the game would be more interesting in the long run. It would make the game feel more like Guilty Gear but that's not really a bad thing, Guilty Gear is popular for a reason.

@@megadude5662 I think I understand. So what you're saying is because UI Goku has crazy defensive options, he can go on the offensive without worrying about anything?

@@Joshua-yc9cv no im saying that the offensive player dosent get to sit back and relax. The defensive player has a realistic chance to still play the game. Alot of old fighting games had this system where if you were losing you were in a bae position but in a game like dragonball the offensive player can't cover every option.

@@yagyufgc I agree. This is why I love the characters you mentioned because they are so different from the rest of the cast. There should be more unique characters that make them stand out like Cooler's 3H. I think there should be a true zoner so that they excel from a distance because the character does chip damage so they are an actual threat full screen but are pretty weak up close to balance the character.

The video starts off by saying that simplified inputs are not a problem, other things are. So I'm not sure why this comment is here.

@@PathBeyondTheDark Uhm,the guy is making good points,and he has not mentioned anything about simpling inputs,so maybe you and the content creator, should learn how to comprehend, before replying.

@@rachetmarvel931 "I just can't find time to play anything where I need to learn and *memorize buttons..."* You don't need to memorize simple buttons and LK says simple buttons are not an issue. If he means memorize combos... um, it isn't a fighting game without them so... my statement still stands... *why is this here?* He is basically saying *I can't be bothered with fighting games* if he doesn't want to learn combos. Even Smash has combos.

As someone new to fighting games, Mortal Kombat feels very accessible and easy to get into. But even I can tell that MK11 just isn't deep enough. That, and Fatal Blows and Krushing Blows are awful, noob-friendly mechanics that have a really low risk and high reward.

@@tomcrawley3343 very true. At least it's a decent fighter to get you started in what is a steep learning curve for other competitive fighters. Especially like 360-ps3 era fighters.

Dragon ball literally lets you wake up when you want, it has a 30f variable wake up window.

@@LordKnightfgc Nice more fighters need to do this. Still dont change the fact that ya clearly never watched dragonball! Did u see the OG Broly movie? Or Watch Nappa, Transformed Garlic Jr, Racoom, and all the other big bodies in dragonball they are lightning fast. Of course they'll all get up quickly lol in the game.

@@LordKnightfgc Also 30f variance isnt nearly what i meant tho. A 90-120f window will allow for many more unique interactions

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Depends heavily on the specific game being spoken about and cannot accurately adjust the genre as a whole.

Your complaints are stupid lol. Juggle combos are no different from regular combos they amount to the same thing. Shorter combos are a bad idea for most games because it leads to slower stagnant matches with more timeouts. More focus on Neutral is NOT the way to go. Easy combos dumb down games and lead to balance issues. Combos are hard as a skill check and balance feature. Movement is hard in Tekken because every major step is a critical decision, you can't just mindlessly move around in that game. Easier movement would dumb down the game. You sound like someone who likes many of the awful changes made in Strive

@@lukejones7164 taking 50-100% health cause you landed the first hit is bad game design. TODs are cool in concept alone

@@PikUpYourPantsPatrol There's very few games where you can land a 40%+ combo off the first hit, and the ones that have them die within a year of release. So that's a pointless complaint. You sound like someone who wants a game where you aren't punished for making bad decisions, that's usually what players who complain about combos tend to be lol.

@@lukejones7164 Are you serious? I'm terrible at the game. But sd, wallbounce, dr, and assists makes it easy to land that much damage or close to it