Lee is the only manufacturer offering Tumble Lube cast bullet designs. So what's so good about 'em besides the obvious advertised benefits? Here is a 4 point outline...
I've been using them for about 20 years and always thought they performed great, plus it was a cheap alternative to buying the sizing equipment. Which saving money was the whole reason I started casting my own bullets. I size them now with the cheaper Lee sizer but that's still a step not always needed.
Very interesting. I have a lot of love for the Lee Tumble Lube design. They have single handedly opened up bullet casting to a whole new group of people. I would not have been able to afford a Lubra-sizer when I started out. Those grips look amazingly comfortable.
Hans S. Very good point you have there. Must be part of Lee Precisions's business model and strategic plan. Lots of shooters don't like the Hogue rubber grips, but their one redeeming quality is they feel great... Best to ya...
J H - Some dislikes are to be normally expected. There are some viewers that will throw out dislikes as soon as they see anything they disagree with...The general rule on RU-vid is that getting up to 10% dislikes compared to likes would be acceptable. If we get more than that, the video is highly suspect. Best to ya, FC
Your videos are flat out amazing. Could not get better than that. What sent me a bit of a chill back my spine is the idea to feed a .44 special case with a 44 magnum load. Of course, at 99,999 % of cases anybody will get by just fine. But there might be the remaining single individual stuffing the thing for whatever reason in a weapon build only in .44 special - as rare as they might be. I have never even seen a weapon in .44 special in Germany, not one single piece. But there still might be some? But maybe i am just a little paranoid.
Norman Reppingen - Thanks for your good comments. One of the best precepts we shooters have is to only let other shooters shoot your own reloads only in your own guns. Never give someone your reloads to shoot in their guns as they may very well load 'em into an old weak gun. Even if your loads are standard or cowboy type ammo, their gun might be on the verge of coming apart anyway. If I ever give anyone ammo to shoot in other guns, it is always factory ammo only. Conversely, we never shoot some else's reloads unless it is in their guns (someone at the range wants us to try their gun) and then only if we know they are trusted shooters. Especially if reloads are found, we never shoot them. The hotter 44 loads (like the Keith load) are very fine to be shot in any 44 magnum revolver, but not in light 44 Specials like the Charter Arms Bulldog. Even the 45 Colt has hot loadings recommended in the reloading manuals to be used only in strong Ruger and Thompson Center guns. If one owns any old 45 Cots, the guns may very well disassemble themselves with those loads - but reloaders are careful to not do that - strict labeling of ammo really helps that. Plus a designated bullet nose shape for use in old guns also helps that. With powder coating now, a certain color can be used for old guns only...Also, hot loaded 38s meant to be shot in 357 magnum revolvers should not get into our 5 shot 38 snubbies. In my case, the hot loaded 38s use the Keith SWC bullets. Whenever I see one of those, I know immediately what that is. Plus, we do clearly label our ammo accordingly anyway. Using the wrong ammo is not a problem as long as we have awareness. If one doesn't have that, then by all means - the ammo should be loaded for the weakest guns only. And if there is any doubt, those that come acrosst reloaded ammo should not use any of it. Good shootin' to ya, FC
FortuneCookie45LC I use this same bullet and same lube and it looks like go heavier on the lube than u. How much leading do u get with this hot load that you're using. I get leading with a mid load out of a 29-2. Same Lee bullet and heavier lube?
Well done ,I am also a convert .Been shooting the TL design for quite a while along with the forty or fifty other molds I have accumulated .I am convinced that the gas checks are not necessary for pistol mold as long as the fit is good to the bore or throat..I have started using lee push through sizers for non tl designs and the 45 45 10 to lube .Wow I am still in awe of how easy and how well it works. I have two lyman 45's an rcbs and a saeco sizer .And they don t get much use any more! Mostly just some rifle loads with gas checks.
Thanks to you, I will be coating my cast and swaged .22 air-gun pellets the right way when using LEE Liquid Alox! Already picked-up some mineral spirits, LEE Liquid Alox and will be purchasing a can of Johnsons Paste Wax tomorrow. My plan is to coat the as evenly as possible after the cast pellets have been swaged and then have them tested in about 10 different high powered air-rifles. Was solo glad to learn that the 45-45-10 formula dries to a hard, shell like finish with no tackiness! Thanks again FC45LC, agw.
Very good video for the Hot Lead Zone! Always good to have many options when you are working up a load for your particular pistol and how one plans to shoot it.
Larry - It really is good to have options, isn't it? I still have my RCBS LAM2 for when sizing is needed. I do have a couple of the Lee Size Die sets as well. And then there is the 45/45/10. I'm currently using the 45/45/10 as often as possible - can't beat the speed, ease and goodness of this system… Best to ya...
Hi FortuneCookie, very nice explanation and for me new angles of view on this bullet type. What do you think, would it be a problem to size this bullets down, because of the driving bands? I´m thinking about downsizing a .358" to .356".
Ouwkackemann-Sounds like you have a 9mm TL mold and its dropping bullets at .358". First of all, you can use those .358 bullets straight up for 38/357 revolvers. When you size them to .356 for your 9mm, you will lose some of the little TL grooves, but the grooves will not be totally obliterated. That was one of the reasons I avoided TL molds for 35 years. But I missed out on some good bullets - making up for that now. Lee size kits work well. TL with LLA or 45/45/10 and you are in business. Let me know how it goes for you...Best Regards
FortuneCookie45LC Hey Fortune, hm, does that mean I have to tumble-lube, size and then tumble-lube again? The Lee size kit would be faster than my RCBS LAMII, right? Greets to the king of lead from Germany, Ouw.
Ouwkackemann TL, size, and TL again? Yes, that's the protocol - but the TL process, either with LLA or 45/45/10 only takes 10 minutes to lube 1000 bullets so it's not really much bother - and yes, much faster that using sizer lubricator. I used those for 35 years, but now 75% of my cast bullets need no sizing and quick 45/45/10 tumbling. I still use my RCBS LAM2, but only for those molds that are dropping overbig bullets that need sizing down. Best Regards, and thanks for the good question.
Hi FortuneCookie45LC, I have the TL358-158 Mold for my 357, I have been sizing the bullets, it seems that If not sized, the cases have a considerable bulge where the bullet is. They still chamber, but makes me wary to shoot these like this. Have you run into bulging in the case?
Matthew Gehl - We can size our cast bullets as we must or as we wish. I really do like my cast bullets to be .001" bigger than my cylinder throats...if my bullets drop at +.001"- .002", that is ideal and no sizing is needed. But if more than that, I like to size. And if I powder coat my bullets, they invariably will be on the big side, but they size very well with the PC. You don''t have to have any qualms about your reloads - more casters size their bullets than those that do not. Best to ya, FC
Good morning friend. I have a read mold of 6 cavities of 200 gr SWC with micro lubrication slots for my 45 ACP. The question is as follows, when I go rectify and grease the bullets in my Lyman 450 the lubrication grooves will be modified when I have the exact diameter of rectification the bullet? I'm telling you because in bullets with normal lubrication grooves that are wide and deep they sometimes deform. Perhaps these are smaller and tend to disappear and have no bullet fat evenly. Can this affect the accuracy of the weapon? Well I wait for your answer, I am faithful follower of yours since I also die for the cast bullet. Greetings from Venezuela.
270WeaMag - Greetings to Venezuela..!! You have the Lee 200 grain TL 45 SWC bullet. That bullet is designed to be cast, tumble lubed with Lee Liquid Alox or 45/45/10 Alox, loaded and shot without sizing. If those bullets are sized in traditional sizer lubricators, the grooves will be deformed or lost and lube will have no place to go. Such bullets will be shot without adequate lubrication and will not shoot as well as they could. If not sized, and tumble lubed with LLA, the little grooves will hold sufficient alox to provide good shooting. What Lee says is that if your ammo cycles OK, the bullet diameter is OK. If the rounds don't function, then the TL bullets are too big. Your TL mold was designed to drop bullets closer to what you need so that sizing is not necessary. Good shootin' to ya, FC Steve
Have you ever tried a traditional lube with tumble lube groove bullets? I'm thinking of leaving a clump in the sun until it become soft then tumble lubing with the warm cake. I haven't done it yet, so now I'm just wondering if it'll stick effectively
+Savio Strawn --Thanks for your comment question. Problem with the little TL grooves is that no way of traditional lubes really doing well with them. And they don't size well, but the bullets are designed to be loaded without sizing anyway. The best way to lube TL bullets is the way they were designed - to lube with Lee Liquid Alox or the much better variant of that - the 45/45/10 tumble lube system (uses 45% Lee Liquid Alox; 45% Johnson's Paste Wax; 10% mineral spirits) - I have videos showing that and it's amazing way to apply lube to any cast bullet especially the TL ones - you can literally lube 1000 bullets in 12-15 minutes of total work time. Bullets handle well, no tacky sticky, and shoot clean... Best to ya, FC
I just got my Lee molds in and they aren't the TL design. Does that mean that I cannot tumble lube them? I guess they're more of the traditional lube groove design. 2-3 grooves.
-- Vince ruland - You can tumble lube any bullet - traditional grease groove designs tumble lube very well. The TL designs have the extra advantage of dropping from the molds closer to the actual diameters we want for our cast bullets so that sizing is often not needed. So we would tumble them and then load 'em and shoot 'em. Best to ya, FC
Is it possible and Safe to Tumble Lube all kinds of bullets, say all the bullets out of the Lee molds? Would it be as effective as pan and powder coat? If so, not considering this is a hobby we all love and if we do it to save time, why go through all the trouble of pan or PC and the expenses of a Lyman 4500? I ask because I have been casting ingots and the time is coming to cast some bullets. I have three Lee molds and only one has the prefix of TL. Thanks.
RV - Congrats on your ingots. Yes, you are ready to cast some bullets. I know that there are recommendations to pan lube out there, but from one who has done all the lube systems (includes PC) - forget pan lubing. Pan lubing works best for the big grooves of black powder design bullets - the smaller grooves of today's designs do not take pan lubing well - and TL grooves are even smaller. The tumble lube systems (45/45/10 is best - see my videos on 45/45/10) provide the fastest method with effectiveness for any cast bullet. Couple that with the Lee sizer die kits, and you will be good to go. Powder coating, HiTek or the lubrisizers work well but just take a bit more time and work. But pan lubing is just plain messy, work intensive, and you will have pans and blocks of lube all over the place. You can give it a try, but just compare the 45/45/10 with it and there is no contest. The PC systems are explored on my videos on such and their charm is their effectiveness, plus we are freed up from hardness issues to a reasonable degree, lower smoke shooting - makes it worth the effort for fans of PC. I've done some data gathering on the accuracy of handgun PC vs traditional lubed cast bullets - conclusion PC is as accurate or more accurate than traditional. Good castin' to ya, FC Steve
Very Well Done Brother, The salient points you have made touch on every aspect of the Lee System. i very much like the tumble lube system of Lee Molds, as a matter of fact, because of their affordability Lee are the only molds I own and I only own one that is not a tumble lube design. Very Good Vid Bro keep it up ) Have a Good one
Robbie Fortner- Thanks for your fine comment to help all the new casters get in on a real good thing - saves them money and time and boosts all the fun and joy...Best Regards...
Not only is the Tumble Lube bullets faster, they require so much less expensive equipment. That's my favorite part. A little lube, plastic container, wax paper and just a little time. What I had not thought about was the flexibility and versatility of loading lengths. Very nice.
commonsensehomestead- Take 44 mag pistols, a bunch of 44 Spl brass, and with the variable crimp depth capability, we can tailor standard, +P, +P+, and full magnum loadings with excellent loading density efficiency control with all our loads - even save powder with +P and +P+s. But there is the danger of chambering your hotter loads in older weaker 44 Special guns if you have any of those. Thanks for your good comments, and Best Regards to ya...
I have never cast a single Bullet but I am seriously thinking about it. I want to get this Bullet Mold in .452 for my Ruger Rehawk .45 Colt/.45acp If I don't have to size them then this is great, not that I am lazy. This will remove one step.
How long until Lee posts this one up on their site? All good points. p.s. I always want to whine that I also helped talk you into 45/45/10, but I think that was before my channel name got changed to match my forum handle. (formerly armaggedonite)
GunFun ZS- As I recall, you did add impetus to chevy6299s urging for me to try the 45/45/10 system; who knows if without that extra weight of shot, I might have been stubborn and stayed with the sizer. And if so, I probably never would have broken down and bought my first (after 40 years!!) TL mold (good grief - those TINY grooves!?). Now, we can all get the word out - spend less time lubing and sizing and more time loading and shooting. Best to ya...
No family yet, and If I were a little more mature I would have had the self control to not ask for credit. No job at the moment either. My job is finishing this last semester at GU Law and then tricking some decent law firm into hiring me. So I like the multiple cannelures on TL bullets, but I'm not convince the grooves are needed at all for lube. I think for Tumble lube and various polymer coatings, a bullet with the same profile as ajacketed or paper patch bullet might be the next big thing. I want rifle bullets with approximately jacketed profile, but for a slightly blunter tip to avoid deformatoin, and 3 TL grooves merely to give options in crimp length.
chevy6299 Made the proper additions with GunFun ZS and I agree with you that he has lots of great info...always a pleasure and a privilege to get his fine comments... Best to ya...
Jon- many of us read all the writings on cast bullets and believed strongly in the lube grooves of the old designs. When Lee TL came in, we rejected them. The newer generations and outside the box guys used them, but there was no real info flow. We were happy running our sizers. Turns out that new casters can go their entire cast bullet careers without ever having to run a bullet thru a die...Why not get the word out on this? I'm really getting to like these Lee TLs...also makes me appreciate the 38 Spl and 44 Spl cases more than ever (I'm keeping the hot loads out of my older guns, for sure). +P+ loadings in the special cases can definitely have better loading density efficiency than in magnum brass. And think of the savings in brass and powder supplies during wartime if the original 45 acp was the 45GAP...shorter case saves brass, uses a bit less powder (same power) and functions even better in semi-auto weapons. Best to ya...
That sounds about right could have been a no powder shot it stuck right out of the case did not get into the barrel and did not eject the case after discharge my concern was seating the bullet to deep and over pressure the charge thanks a lot I'll seat them to the shoulder and give it a try the oal is 1.195
I like that bullet design, however I prefer to buy them. Kinda like your younger self, I like to cast what I deem more "traditional". I prefer to cast round nose bullets, but buy whatever other bullet design I can find. I've never lubed my bullets, however I've attempted to. Once I used butter, the other time bacon grease (still haven't shot the bacon grease bullets yet). I like how on our cast bullets we can recognize our own sprue mark. At the range I once or twice have found one of my cast bullets that I knew were mine because of where the sprue mark was located. Maybe if I can find some for sell I'll give those Tumble Lube Keith bullets a try for my 44 Mag
Alex Ehlers - Hello to ya, Alex - and thanks for the comment..!! Nothing wrong with buying cast bullets...Have you tried Matt's Bullets? They have a lot of bullet designs you won't find with other outfits. However, the TL designs by Lee are not provided by any commercial caster that I am aware. Reason is that the automated machines commercial casters use do not take the aluminum Lee molds...The aluminum molds aren't durable enough for commercial machines to use. If you want Lee TL bullets, you have to cast 'em yourself. You should go ahead and try some powder coated bullets - once you load those and your dies and fingers stay clean and dry, and then shoot them getting results as good as your traditional, you might like those PCs. Or there's nothing wrong with shooting traditional at all... Good shootin' to ya, FC Steve
hi, i didn´t make the experience that these bullets are close to the original diameter :( i casted 400 bullets of 230gr RN in 45 acp, but the diameters differ from 452 (best for my glock 21) and 458, which is, for me, far too much. so i´ve ordered a lee sizer for them. so, the only advantage of these bullets is, that i dont have to buy a lube&size press by rcbs/lyman, which is much more expensive than the lee die which bullet diameter do you get out of your mold ? greetings from austria!
Hellboyshootsglock-Wow, Hail to Austria - Home of the Glock!! That .429 cavity is way, way too big for use in any 45 acp, 45 Colt, etc. My many Lee molds are great, but one of the 6 cavities in my 430 200 RNFP mold drops bullets at .434" and those will not even go squarely into my .430 sizing die on my RCBS sizerlubricator without ruining the bullet. You may not be able to size .458 bullets to .452 without using an intermediate size die first (two step sizing - not recommended for best accuracy - best accuracy is when no sizing is needed -study was done years ago on this). .458 bullets might be useful in a 45/70 with Dacron fiberfill overpowder wad as is for real light loadings. Great to hear from friends in historic beautiful Austria...
FortuneCookie45LC hi, have you ever been in austria ? if not, you should plan your next holidays.. in fact my 2 cav mold is a bit mysterious to me .. if cavity 1 has dia 453 and cav 2 has dia 458, how can the bullets differ between ? they were all castet the same day, out of the same lead ingots. and how can lee tell people that these TL bullets can be used without sizing. i think the barrel wont be happy when using bullets which are far too thick i thought about 2 step sizing after your comment - my plan is to size all of them in 1 step, the bullets which are too thick will get sorted out, and recycled during the next casting day. is this a good plan, or will the sizer die be damaged in any way ? the lead should be weak, got it from the range. you see, i´ve just started casting. at this point, thanks for your videos, they helped me a lot !!
Hellboyshootsglock No way that your mold should drop bullets that different in size. You might have a defective mold. You should not have to do the two step sizing…I am assuming that you don't have any fins on the bullets indicating incomplete mold closure. The first question Lee always asks casters is "Did you lubricate the mold according to directions". If none of these apply, you have a defective mold and need to send it back for replacement. Best Regards to ya...
I just bought one of these molds. Can I use the skeeter load 7.5 grains of unique for this projectile shooting It from my S&W model 69 with special cases?
Tristan Garwood - Yes, your M69 is a 44 magnum so the power of the Skeeter 44 Spl load is easily handled by your M29. (that would not be advised for the CA Bulldog) Good shootin' to ya, FC Steve
jndred - When Richard Lee designed the tumble lube series of molds, the first precept was that they drop bullets closer to the actual firing diameter of the caliber to avoid the need to size the bullets. Then with his Lee Liquid Alox, the little grooves took up the lube applied in tumble fashion again - easy and quick lubing. Finally, the system was integrated with the use of the Lee Factory Crimp dies to assure good functioning in the event some of the slightly larger bullets caused bulges in the final cartridges. You will note that some of the bullets are just a bit out of round as well. None of this is a problem in the Lee integrated system (you won't hear about this in any other videos or writings though). Your cast bullets are in spec for going ahead - tumble lube 'em, load 'em and shoot 'em. Best to ya, FC Steve
Update..those tumble lube bullets gave me fits...leaded my barrel terrible..guess my alloy is to soft..back to the drawing board..lol..maybe powder coat and size
I'm in need of some help I have the lee 90379 loading with 700x powder 4gr oal 1.275 took it to the range shot 1 no problem and shot 2 stuck in the barrel it's a 1911 I was looking in one of my books lyman 49th and it says oal of 1.161 is that safe I don't want to over pressure any help would be great thanks
kayak26143 - Can't quite diagnose the problem from your description. Your 4 gr of 700x sounds like a good usual load for 45 ACP. If you mean your bullet got stuck in the barrel when you fired - that might be a no powder charge case so the primer force stuck the bullet in the barrel. If you are referring to the bullet sticking in the barrel rifling so that your gun could not go into battery, that is a bullet seating depth issue. Your first shot chambered because the bullet was pushed into the case on chambering allowing the shot to fire, and your second round didn't push. Best to seat that 200 gr SWC TL bullet so that the shoulder of the bullet is even to the case mouth, then don't have any further concerns about the seating depth. If the rounds don't chamber, your gun needs to be throated a bit more or better yet, switch to RN bullets seated to same depth as hardball rounds or just deeper until the rounds chamber. Best to ya, FC
hi... FC45LC a TL bullet can be lube with a traditional pan lube or (hand lube ) ..the grease amaunt in the grooves is sufucient to prevent leading.. or must be grease grooves bullest desing....thanks yaya from argentina
yaya jaja - Of course, you can also use the Lee Alox to tumble lube the TL bullets. Pretty quick and easy. The Alox is included in every Lee bullet sizer kit. Good shootin' to ya, FC
yaya jaja - Lee makes some great 9mm molds - for Round Nose or Truncated Cone...in regular and TL designs also...Either should feed and shoot well for you. Best Regards, FC
So you responded to a question I had about tumble lubing on another video and mentioned Lees TL molds. Not having a clue as to what those were I googled it. And what pops up but another one of your videos explaining it! lol. I'm done with google. From now on I'm just going to FortuneCookie45LC and cutting out the middleman. Thanks for all the excellent instructional and informative videos.
hokanut - Wow! I really appreciate the good word. You might check out the Lee Precision website under Bullet Casting - you'll find one of my videos there as well. I'm not bragging (because they can take it off just as easily), I just found it a big surprise when I ran into it...Have a great day...
FortuneCookie45LC Yup, found it. The commercial Lee mold. They should send you some free Alox at least for that stellar review.Oddly enough I just picked one up in .44RN for my Marlin lever action. Not in the TL style though :( Learned how to cast from your vids, now I'm hooked. Keep up the good work.
hokanut I'm thinking that 44RN mold of yours is the same one I just got and did a video on...And I got that RN mold for my Marlin as well. It doesn't come in TL design, but the bullets cast at .431" so they are perfect - no sizing needed. I'm going to shoot my first loads with that bullet this weekend. Hopefully, they shoot as good as they look...we'll see...Best to ya
I’ve been casting bullets since 1975. I started with the Lee pan-lubing, smack-it-with-a-hammer ancestor of their current push-through system,, and sized/loaded THOUSANDS of rounds with that primitive sizer and a single-station press. Since working up to progressive presses, multiple-cavity molds and a lubrisizer, I’ve cast several MILLION bullets. I’ve paid my dues, OK? In all that time, I have bought exactly ONE TL mold. It makes the most horrid bullets I’ve ever had the misfortune to handle. The groovelets and front shoulder don’t line up at the parting line, you can’t find the same diameter at any location around the bullet, and they won’t go into anything resembling a group (in any of six different rifles and pistols). I will not insult any more of my firearms by presenting them with this sorry excuse for a projectile, nor waste any more money on them. If you’re having good results with yours, that’s fine. But once bitten, twice shy.
+alpha tango -- That indeed is one of the big drawbacks of tumble lubing in straight Lee Liquid Alox. However, the 45/45/10 lube system that includes alox, has all the advantages of the LLA tumble lube, but without the drawbacks - the bullets in the opening of this video were tumbled in 45/45/10 and it is fast and easy to do... Best to ya, FC
James McCullough - This was one of my earlier videos - I reviewed it, and found that some of the annotations were definitely not needed - Thanks for pointing this out... Have a great Fourth, FC
Hi FortuneCookie45LC - I only have one question I have a lee 357 semi wad cutter tumble lube 6 cavity mold and read as you do the tumble groove molds are supposed to drop projectiles ready to load but was disappointed when I measured mine at an average of 359 which didn't want to load into the cylinder; have you had any issues like this yet? I believe I used wheel weight lead but have some range lead to try if that would make a difference? Cheers. Steve
steve green - adding softer lead will help make the bullets drop smaller, but only by .0005". You could also try hotter alloy (watch out though - the lead will glow like a pot full of fireflys at night) that will increase the shrinkage and slightly smaller bullet. In total, you might get a bullet smaller by .0007 or .0008. The whole idea of TL is to not have to size your bullets. If you size TL bullets, you will lose the grooves = real ugly bullets = unacceptable. Lee though is on a tightrope - if they give you drops that are too small = heavy leading = real unacceptable. So their happy zone is only .002" (.357-.358). You might have a run with them using new cutter cherries - on the big side. You might give Lee a call and tell them about your .358-360" drops. The big bullets mess up your reloading rhythm - and that should not be. TL molds can be a bit tricky as my 358-148WCTL had a bit of quirk. But my 430-240SWC TL 6 cav is a real jewel. I have that mold of yours on backorder since I really like the 44 SWC TL mold being used. Best Regards...
FortuneCookie45LC I haven't re-sized tumble lube bullets in awhile sense the alloy that use throws them 0.430.15 which just right to shoot out of my SW 629. But I know I have re-sized tumble bullets in the past without any ill effects to the tumble-lube grooves. So I it gave a try again, I sized 44 cal bullet from 0.430.15 to 0.429.0 without and ill effects on grooves.
Dan Pisula Thanks for your info on resizing TLs - So if we are resizing down .001", then we are Ok. The grooves are shallow, though, if more resizing were needed, we might have trouble at some point obliterating the grooves. Best Regards...
FortuneCookie45LC Dan Pisula Thank you both for your advice - I was planning on buying a Lee Sizer and lube set so looks like I was on the right track. I plan to use Hi-Tek bullet coating eventually but will have to settle for the Alox Short term Cheers. Steve
Flames N/a - Thanks for your comments, there was one recently that I could not find - it was in my inbox, but nowhere to be found in the video... Strange. Best to ya, FC
