The Agility Rebalance Dilemma... 

They had a perfect opportunity to address the KQ shortcut elite diary issue and they proceeded to completely ignore it lol.

Great video, love the analysis! I just want to bring up that this is project REBALANCE, the point is not necessarilyto rework the skill to suddenly make everyone love doing it, it's just to smooth out the progression a bit while also making some nice changes here and there. That being said, I do hope there is a bigger rework at some point since as you said, a lot of people hate doing it anyway!

My opinion on agility (and basically all skills) is that I care way less about xp rates than I do about the rewards for training the skill. Fletching for example has good rates that aren't too expensive but I still dislike training it because there's no carrot at the end of the stick to keep me invested. I'd not heard of a proposed DKs shortcut but if that's true I'm more excited about that than the xp boosts (though those are appreciated as well of course). also about graceful I wish we could just stuff the whole outfit in a ring or something so more people will fashionscape.

Great video! I’m curious to see the future of agility and skills like it 😊

I like the new agility update it makes agility more bearable at lower levels and would definitely help newer players.

85 agility to boost for Ardy diary is the end of Agility as far as I’m concerned

As someone who is grinding out 99 agility (currently 91) I appreciate the change. I hope they change what higher agility grants, very few instances exist where I am walking to regen run energy. There are niche instances like barrows runs using morytania legs diary + Ahrim agility lvl drain. If they buff the higher levels for incentives, that's a plus however I feel like agility has an issue that the passive effect isn't good enough beyond around 70-80. One idea is that running should be extended, if you train rooftop courses, constant running, practicing jumps, dexterity. whatnot, you're going to be travel further before exhaustion. Part of agility should be that you don't need to rely on stamina potions to navigate. This coupled with proposed run regen while running and I think it buffs this skill significantly.

I think you over-estimate newer players ability to follow the meta, I have clan mates that don't use the wiki as they are so new. Newer players will follow the skill guides, so the lower courses are a good buff for them.

Give agility passive benefits to other skills instead of this rebalance. Extra fish catch chance, faster harvest speed from farming, chance to save materials when crafting, a chance to gain an extra attack or increase your next attack by one tic etc. "Your nimble movements allow x" type stuff. It's a pretty simple concept but it would change agility from an ALMOST useless skill to a top 5 overnight. It would fit nicely in for almost every sort of player, from RPers to PvMers to even PvPers and skillers.

Great content, thanks for sharing your thoughts on the new agility updates. I agree agility needs a rework as there isn’t an incentive to train it past 70 (song of the elves).

Were you going to make a video recapping Varlamore or were you waiting until next week? I'm excited for the new hunter changes.

Good news is we get a Proselyte upgrade with Varlamore

"run around an arena dodging obstacles" agility arena lmao

A agility shortcut to help with day kings would be awesome

How would they remove the point of failure at end of canafis without it significantly buffing the xp/hr?

i was wondering of for some skilling boss agility can be used to doge attacks

Ive had 99 agility for several years, my main complaint about it is the fact that its just such a useless skill, we get a few shortcuts that ill interact with sometimes, but is it a shortcut if i spent hundreds of hours running laps? Also the effects it has on run energy is so miniscule i cant say ive noticed a change at all. If i have 99 agility why am i running out of run just as fast as someone with 10% of the xp

me, listening to this while knocking out 85 agility at seer's and never caring about prif or HS cause its new content to me :) I will be happy to move beyond seer's soon esp if they're nerfing it

Ok hear me out, agility cape what if it gave infinite run or had the same effect as an active stamina potion? this would give a reason to go to 99 and would unlock fashionscape as the graceful set would be useful up until 99 agility but then not needed.

A shortcut to DKs would be so good. Maybe I'd go and finish the logs for once.

More people have an infernal cape than an agility cape. And not many people go to 99 agility without maxxing. I think they either buff the exp, allow passive agility exp to help get to 99, or make higher agility worthwhile.

didn't they buff the Ardougne course though?

Yeah I was a bit underwhelmed with the proposed agility changes, because at the end of the day it doesn't change the fact that agility has the most diminishing returns of any skill. like you said not much worth getting past 76. I do like that they are trying to revive brim agility dungeon and make it a bit more social.

Watching this after I got full graceful on my brand new HCIM

You don't have any opinion on the brimhaven agility arena changes?

Great vid mate, cmon Jagex, leave seers as is and just buff the later ones more to give the same progression spread essentially

Starting agility in Draynor makes a lot of sense. I think higher level agility will be alot more useful if there were a lot more shortcuts.

Agility is already so fucking boring they did not need to nerf anything... just make it more interesting by adding more shortcuts. Lowering failure rates makes it feel better too (which is why I like the thieving changes) Also we need to get jagex to change KQ shortcut from elite to hard diary req...

Agility was still one of my favorites. But my favorite place to train is still the arena. It's been awhile since I've done it so I don't remember the early levels of how I trained it but I did seers to level 80 and then did the arena to 99. Ardy was just what I used to get extra graceful outfits. I would like if they had better benefits for agility tho

How will this rebalance impact the lowest level graceful 🤔

Bro where do you think those staminas are coming from?

Id really like to see a money sink in agility with some sort of charged sages boots 👢 from maybe a high lvl slayer drop, rechargeable with maybe amylase. They could even make them heavy so they deplete run energy a little faster and incentivizing drinking staminas and ring of endurance.

I currently have 76 Agility on my level 3 skiller; I basically only grind it out doing rooftop courses on my phone while we watch a show together in the evenings. It's gotten to the point where I have done the math by episode and have a strong guesstimate that I will be able to get 92 Agility by the time we finish the show; the only courses I have left are the ones that will be buffed by the proposed change (mainly just the Ardougne course since I won't get the achievement diary for Relekka), so it's a nice change for me. But resonating with some of the comments I see here, grinding out 99 Agility has especially felt like nothing but a "I spent a long time doing this thing for very little reward" kind of insane task. The only thing that's helping me justify grinding out 99 Agility is that 1) I can do it at like 90% efficiency while watching TV because there are only a few clicks per course, and 2) I'm taking the marks and turning them into amylase crystals for free Herblore XP as I grind it out to 99 as well.

if they add "remove points of failure towards the end " I'm pretty sure penguin is going to be op

instead of graceful tiers, add more items like boots of lightness. easy to get low level gear that also has no - minimal stats but lowers carry weight. for the high end add an item like the Lightbearer that regenerates run energy ~50% faster or so.

Falador agility training seems a bit useless to me. I go canifis for marks and wildy for xp

I started doing diaries because of kandarin hard 😂 these changes sound pretty good but honestly, it's not a change that will impact most people, only new players. So it's okay i guess?

I never understand why hallowed sulputure is better xp and gp then rooftops at a lower level

The xp isn't the problem, it's the rewards. Everything except the agility pyramid is dead content after you get the graceful. Making the marks give 250 crystals instead of 100 would fix the reward problem while also making stamina pots super cheap. Stamina pots should be as cheap as attack pots. I always drink an attack potion because they are so easy to obtain. It would be nice if stamina was the same. Just always drinking stamina because who cares, you just need to do a couple laps on the roof to replenish your stock

Agility needs a fundamental rework as a skill. The skill is a pain to train for mostly unimpactful shortcuts and run energy regen. I ask myself this every now and again if X skill is removed outright and all its benefits what changes? If the answer comes anywhere near nothing then the skill should be looked into.

For 99 agility I did barb fishing, seers, priff, ardy.

I don’t get graceful on new accounts, I don’t bother anymore. I love the barbarian course at 35 exactly as it is and do it 35-45+ because the rates are good, and when you fail you don’t have to start over but rather just repeat the obstacle you failed- huge time save compared to failing canafis over and over. The proposed buffs only make it more exciting

Prifddinas Agility Course feels more like a normal agility course then werewolf og penguin courses tbh, so dont know why its not getting marks of grace aswell

very interesting how many people choose to torture themselves (judging from how people dislike agility) to get a borderline useless outfit. Just going to sepulchre after questing to 52 seems like the way to go

Im 70 agility on my alt and I've opted for the 7k xph afk method in my poh just because im lazy XD... almost every skill has an afk option why is this skill such bad xp AND requires full attention? Not to mention how repetitive and non-engaging it is, albeit sepulcher is a nice upgrade but is a pretty high req for "engaging" content

Maybe another change they should do is offer more graceful cosmetic upgrades. Personally I am kind of sick of seeing the same graceful set just recolored running around the game. Similar to the quest speedrunning set that they added expanding on that so we can get some variety.

This kind of thing makes me not like OSRS. "We're making it a better experience for players!" * literally just makes it go from 23 hours of pointless grinding to 22 hours. Like what.

They should've just increased agility xp/hr by 50% across the board and called it a day.

Its a buff, because at 70 or 80 agility you get higher xp rate then in Seers village

Really dropped the ball not just making all agility shortcuts teleports/instant; a baffling amount are either pointless if not actually slower than using non-shortcut routes. IMO the best way to fix Agility is to actually make it useful or just get rid of it. While they're at it they can improve skilling as a whole by combining complementary skills- smithing + mining, wc + fm, fishing + cooking, crafting + fletching. Jamming skilling supplies into pvm drop tables has significantly devalued skilling compared to how the game was in 2007. Considering all the information we've been given about Sailing, I'd be surprised if even half of the above skills came into the current game were they polled today.

The exp rate needs to increase more still. Its still insanely slow lol

RS3 doesn't need stams because you're agility level lets you run longer. Stam sink though.

I think you should get agi xp every point of stamina spent. like 0.001 xp per. So over the course of all the content, you would get some good agi xp. And nobody gonna spend stamina pots doing lumbridge laps like on league XD

On the topic of graceful just kinda being everywhere… I kinda think the problem is that it’s just too strong for non-combat situations. Like even when you are putting it up against a skilling outfit, it’s sometimes better than a few percentage points better XP for something like a farm run. I think if there were a *slight* cost to using it, like having it degrade slowly and needing marks of grace to repair it, we would see more visual diversity in the game, as well as giving people reasons to go back to rooftop courses for training. Combine the degradation with a change to higher level courses having better Mark drops, and I think Agility would be a skill people would start to level in short bursts instead of grinds for specific shortcut/quest requirements, which I think would be a healthy change for the skill.

They would have to make it 400k xp an hour to make me level agility past 70 lol

Just got to seers and now they want me to click those dumbass boxes for an extra hour?! Agility is the worst skill to train. XP needs to double for All courses.

Bait title, get real.

Imagine getting 200m xp in agility.... and now they make it easier.

Playerbase:agility is too slow buff it Jagex:nerfs seers 😂😂 Also the hydra shortcut isn't faster it's the exact same you just avoid that whole 3 dmg the lil hydras will hit u