@@anubis9116 my thoughts exactly, where do people think they got the power from to begin with, the naruu gave them the power of the light as to worship them
"peaceful" Meanwhile, the Light and Void are fighting constantly in the background. Sure, the ASGs (Alien Scaly Goats) mostly becoming demons courtesy of Demon Galactus didn't help, but there was already plenty of fighting, before even the beginning of his Burning Crusade.
2:27 - Chapter 2: First SIgns of Fel 8:01 - Chapter 2: The Dark Titan's Deal Seems Plat also got that curse that wrecks your math skills. Watch out for Velen's pop quiz's Plat!
I remember back in 2004 playing warcraft 3 and I was traumatised seeing Archimonde’s cinematic of destroying Dalaran with just a chant. They did him dirty in WoW!
The sandy destruction isnt it. Oh boi i remember watching that countless times as a child. That burn into my mind and turn me into a mage. That why i play mage in all games still XD
That shit was scary, imagine you are just some resident who is trying to survive after the attack of the scourge and all of sudden one tower just randomly collapses. You'd assume it is a mage, but you have no idea of who or where he is all the while people are dying or getting hurt. Then all of sudden the rest of the city crumbles.
And that is why I main Paladin. people think nowadays that the good righteous warrior of the light is corny and think evil shit is cool. but thats because they havent seen TRUE evil. Ive seen true evil. there is nothing cool about it. That is why i will always walk the path that fights against it. no matter how many scoff, i will remain as the light in the darkness, even when all other lights fade. This is the true way of the Paladin
Exactly, @@honnorgaurd. People idolise evil in popular culture until they are threatened by a ‘morally grey character’ in real life - as I have been, with a gun. Fantasy is a powerful tool and does have a greater impact in the real world than we would imagine, yet, it is not seen as something dangerous when we use it to subvert values that are objectively good for all humans.
@@XPK15 I understand where you are going with this response good sir. but this kind of stance is also a slippery slope to slide on as this is also how people in the early 2000s wanted to try blaming video games for why kids are violent instead of their upbringing.
Kil'Jaeden: "Dude, Velen, look at this awesome stuff! We'll become the coolest faction of Warcraft ever and look absolutely badass while doing so!" Velen: "...you do realize this is at the expense of the eternal pain and suffering of countless innocents, right?" Kil'Jaeden: "But look at the shoulder pads! THE SHOULDER PADS!"
I used to look at Velen as the least interesting leader, but after this I honestly see him as one of the better just for his not being fooled by vanity and power over essentially selling their souls.
Velen is a pretty complicated character all things considered. He had to deal with the knowledge that having his people take refuge on various planets would turn those planets into big targets for the Legion, specifically Kil'jaeden, to attack. He used his faith in the Light and "destiny" to deal with his increasingly guilty conscience, somehow trying to justify all the deaths that happened by following the path of fate. That's also why in Legion Illidan heavily berates and criticises Velen since he unlike Velen was someone who constantly defied his destiny, i.e. by carving out his golden eyes (a sign of greatness in Night Elven culture) and refusing to become the saviour by killing the Naaru. Interestingly enough, Velen completes his character arc by taking Illidan's advice by becoming proactive and trying to defy the path he had foreseen in his visions. The Legion expansion really did a good job showing off the complexity of the character. Highly recommend questing through the entire expansion on an alt, since a lot of it is shown in game.
Realistically he only _seems_ somewhat bland compared to the others because... Well really, what do the Draenei care about the stupid factions wars of the Horde and Alliance? Like, obviously the Draenei are pretty pledged to the Alliance and will do what they can to help and such, but Velen himself tends to stay out of it. And the other leaders know that, Liadrin especially seems to be the main Blood Elf to vouch for not waging war on the Draenei. And lets be real... after Legion, when the Light Forged joined in and the Vindicaar was their little temporary home before they could settle properly on Azeroth (which is still yet to really be established in them doing that ingame), the Vindicaar was _basically_ an Orbital Defense Platform with the power of pure light. If Velen and the majority of the Draenei were really super into allying hard with the Alliance, _what the actual hell_ would've stopped them from raining Holy Destruction upon Lordaeron and Sylvanas' Undead forces at the start of Battle for Azeroth? Velen and his followers probably could've easily stopped majority of BFA, or at least the Horde/Alliance fighting part of it, but why should he pick a side? He's probably in the camp of characters thinking _"Lightforged Jesus, are they fighting again? Why?! Fuck it, I'm staying out of it. Exodar for some reason still needs attention in fixing up."_ Velen is a 'bigger picture' sort of guy, as we saw with Burning Crusade and Legion. He'll step up when everyone is under threat from something that's not their own stupid decisions.
@@IBrowneeI I really like that explanation. Its real hard for him not to take the slow and steady approach when he's nearly immortal. For him, all these crises and wars will be over almost as fast as they started. So only the really big end of the world stuff registers an immediate response.
Also i think we kill his son in the legion expansion. I remember it was really sad. Dude has been trying to do the good thing. He is a boomer, that has probably done more good for the universe than anyone else. Always tries for peaceful solutions. He is like dumbledore or gandalf. Staying back for most of it, acting in important moments. Not revealing his hand untill necessary.
YOU FACE JARAXXUS YOU FACE JARAXXUS EREDAR LORD OF THE BURNING LEGION. JARAXXUS JARAXXUS YOU FACE JARAXXUS EREDAR LORD OF THE BURRNING BURNing burning burning LEGION
The capitol would have been a fully repaired flying Exodar instead of a portion of the Exodar’s parts turned into a small ship that doesn’t require a Naaru
Fun fact, the Eredar were potrayed as an unimaginable evil demon race that was one of the causes of Sargeras going mad, because Titans had no concept of evil or ability to comprehend somebody doing bad things. They were imprisoned and later freed by the gone mad Sargeras - before they retconned it in TBC. Didn't disappear from the original creation story however, which was online on the WoW website until at least... I think Cataclysm? Or MoP.
@@carloscrispens4816Back then they weren't Broken Draenai, they were just the Draenai then. Eredar were completely seperate from them at the time. I personally liked it better that way
I can't overstate how much I love this. The Draenei are my favorite race, and this vid is marvelously animated and with hilarious commentary that's the *perfect* balance of silly and respectful!!! It's almost sad how hard that is to come by. You've gained a fan my friend!
@@fumarc4501 I would have preferred Man'ari tbh. If they're gonna do the whole "oh light can be evil, too" they can do "well, Man'ari aren't completely evil and this bit here decided to join the Alliance because screw the Horde". It's not even very different from what they did with the Void Elves, who are literally infested with void and void is supposed to be on par with fel anyway.
Archimonde was one of the strongest eredar there ever was. As you ve very well presented, he basicly singlehandedly annihilated Thal'kiel's little army. He was not as cunning as Kil'jaiden or as gifted as Velen but his raw power supplemented for it. That's why he was the legions field commander. And that's why he was very efficient with fel power.
He also single handedly killed a Wild God. He snapped Malorne’s neck as if it was a simple twig, and simply tossed his body to the side, as if it was nothing more than a piece of trash.
Fun Fact, Kil'Jaden is voiced by Lex Lang who has done a lot of anime/cartoon/Power Rangers/video game voice work such as Geto from Jujutsu Kaisen, Sanosuke from Rurouni Kenshin, Edgar from Durarara, Ecliptor from In Space, Zen Aku from Wild Force, Dr. N. from Crash Bandicoot and Kenny from the Scooter Episode of South Park. Archimonde is voiced by David Lodge, whose also done a lot of anime/video game/Power Rangers voice work such as Jiraya from Naruto, Captain Jeralt from Fire Emblem Three Houses, Grigori The Dragon from Dragon's Dogma, Villamax from Lost Galaxy, Loki from Lightspeed Rescue and the Fake Igor from Persona 5 Royal.
Narratorr: "The Naar'u are benevolent creatures of light." Venthyr: "THE LIGHT IT BURNS!!" Naar'u: "Be blessed in the holy light." Denathrius: "For benevolent creatures they sure like turning my citizens to ash.... More wine this invasion is getting entertaining..."
@@ZrodyApo Didn't the mag'har try to eradicate and enslave the draenei people? you know, like they did in "our" timeline? I feel like the draenei's zeal is justified.
@@victorneistrup7277 depends, the playable mag'hars we have are basically the children of those we encountered in AU Draenor so they're not the same that were in the iron horde
I like how dreadlords have become what the eredar were supposed to be. Can hardly say the eredar are the masters of deception or that Kil’Jaeden is the universe’s best strategist anymore 😂
To be fair Dreadlords always was the manipulators and such, and it helps that they always betrayed and such even in warcraft 3. The eredar always was too high rank to get the more interesting stories. Still I just hope they will hire some dam writers and make their stories a little less complicated so the main plot of a expansion isn't ruined because they cut some content or need to rush stuff
I kinda wanna see Eredar become an allied race now. Like survivors from Argus who were forced to take the fell and work for the legion against their will but were freed after its destruction
@@GearShotgun It's true, many, if not most, had fel forced on them unwillingly, but the problem is fel is just THAT corrupting; having one's entire being, body and soul, infused with it kind of overwrites whatever personality the person had before. The old them is dead, what exists now is a demon with their memories.
I honestly would like an offshot of Man'ari Eredar to be playable. Maybe kinda how the Night Warriors Elfs customization is unlocked but along with the new features you can play as warlocks as well but only with the red skin.
How about that time when after Garrosh died the iron horde joined the ranks of The Horde and brought their technology like the iron Stars, and the alliance had a oh crap moment? And then suddenly nothing happened with that and we're supposed to pretend it never happened or made a difference
I thought we stopped him in the time Loop before he was actually able to get the portal working to go to the Past and meet the original hordes invasion.
After the Shadowlands, I don't think all Dreadlords are siding with the Burning Legion. Mal'ganis sided with the Death (Denathrius) and Lothraxion sided with the Light (Xe'ra) while Tichondrius and Mephistroth sided with the Burning Legion (Sargeras). Like humans, some are good, some are bad.
That's actually makes the most sense out of anything. If they were creatures from their own home world that developed naturally into a concept of free thinking life like the races on Azeroth then it kind of seems obvious that they all be different inclinations of personality and opinion. Someone probably see the burning Legion is the best thing ever others would see siding with the afterlife as they're guarantee have a free out no matter what goes down. And some are probably out there just doing their own thing for their own sake because screw everyone else I'm a dreadlord.
*Sargeras:* So, all of you are smart. *Velen, Kil'jaeden, and Archimonde:* That feels like an oversimplification. *Sargeras:* I'm putting together a legion. Races with high intelligence. See, I believe the void is coming... *Kil'jaeden and Archimonde:* Stop right there.. We're in. *Sargeras:* You all are? Just like that? *Velen:* bruuhhhhh
You know, maybe the first sign of something wrong was when Archemond decided to sleep with his former master's demonic skull under his pillow. Shoulda been the first warning
@@Andrew-Thalmann forsaken are a specific group of undead created by the plague of undeath unleashed on lordaeron, who later escaped the Lich King's mental control. The plague was designed specifically for humans. Sylvanas was an elven general killed and raised as a banshee by Arthas using the power of Frostmourne. She's not technically a forsaken- she just led them.
@@alexandergreene461 They weren't raised by a plague, like Forsaken, which are technically ghouls, were. All DKs were raised directly by the Lich King.
For wow fans that like the Legion and especially Sargeras you should read Walter Simonson's run on Thor as Metzen's primary inspiration for Sargeras and by proxy the legion was Simonson's take on Surtur and even has stated Simonson is one of his primary influences as a writer and artist.
* SWEATS IN BLIZZARD RETCONNING LITERALLY EVERYTHING OR TYING IT TO SOME MYSTICAL JACKOFF WE'VE NEVER HEARD OF BEFORE OR WILL CARE ABOUT AFTER AN EXPANSION! * Yes, I know the Legion didn't make the Dreadlords, but that doesn't change the fact that their whole kit was that they were originally just some randos on a world being DICKS.
@@ttpbroadcastingcompany.4460 Kinda makes the light infused Nathrezim guy stick out like a sore thumb...have they done ANYTHING regarding him or his lore or is Blizzard just hoping we forgot? Cause I didn't!
You know, I keep hearing some fans say that the "draenei retcon" was one of the worst retcons in Warcraft history. By making it that Sargeras was corrupted by the (demonic) dreadlords, or his own observations on the possibilities of the whole universe being already corrupted by the void; instead of Sargeras being corrupted by the Eredar. But, in all honesty, what did this retcon really hurt? Not all that much detail was elaborated on/established about the eredar beforehand, and the story Blizzard came up with the coming of the Burning Crusade (or possibly before) was a hell of a lot more interesting than what they had before. It gave the eredar, and by extension, the draenei, a much more detailed and storied history. Now, this is different than what's going on with Shadowlands right now, because in Shadowlands, Blizzard has been upheaving DECADES of clearly and explicitly established lore that we've experienced in game for ourselves! There have been characters in game that have TOLD us that certain things are the way they are, and then in Shadowlands, we're expected to just forget about all that. Yeah, don't think so. So it's for this reason that I'm actually perfectly alright with the "draenei retcon">
the draenei retcon is genius because it makes both sargeras and the eredar much more complicated and interesting than they were before. sargeras choosing the path of destruction willingly for what he perceives as the greater good makes him so much more compelling than just being corrupted by the eredar
Finally the draeneis lore videos time! thx for getting into them platinum the draeneis and velen lore is what brought me into wow, i remember i was in high school when i bought the Rise of the Horde novel which tells velen story aswell as the orcs corruption and the interactions between Velen and a kid durotan it blew my mind since i didn't knew shit about lore i just had played warcraft 1 and 2 back in the day, since then i always main draenei paladin
A bit late now, but I typically play as a human or human equivalent as I do in FF14. But damn, if I’d ever played WoW the Dreinei minute have changed my mind.
Greed for power... it's a shame that Blizzard cannot learn a lesson from their own stories. Anyways, you could pick any story from the warcraft universe and make an amazing tv/movie series out of it. Still waiting for them to transcribe everything in the Arthas: Rise of the Lich King book into a movie trilogy. It's a goldmine that'll never be tapped, sadly.
KJ and Velen were actually the first duumvirate, they became the triumvirate once Archimonde joined them. After Sargeras' arrival and Velen's exodus, KJ and Archimonde were the remaining two rulers, making them the new (2nd) duumvirate.
For people who are new to lore, I feel like it would be useful to explain why Sargeras is doing what he is doing... He isn't just killing everything for no reason. Maybe that could have been added as a footnote? 🤔
"everyone's favorite streamer" Look, i know corona is a serious issue and all, but i don't think it has infected everyone, lots of people still have their sense taste.
I'm commenting about how Asmongold is bald because it makes him mad and helps Platinum in the algorithm! If you want Platinum to make more money, make sure you comment that Asmongold is bald!
Damn was this all told throughout the Legion quests? Now i know why it was called Seat of the Triumvirate and that the skull warlocks used to have fly around them wasn't just some random eredar. Fuck man i should start actually reading the quests
