The all-in-one headset to beat! - HTC Vive XR Elite 

This whole channel is one big paid advertisement, whole this garbage will come to an end sooner rather than later

@@infernus6278 It's the channel of a company with more than 80 employees, how do you think you can afford all that without sponsors? Just skip the ads if you don't like them.

@@infernus6278 this is funny consider that this channel is like early day of LTT and they did roasted the hell out of manufacturer lol

Dbrand stands for "Darned it, Bring Riley A Novel Duty"

@@infernus6278 Cry harder

They have a good team and system in place!

i hate how confident they bull shit, when they dont give a f about the product/category

@@djwindkind It's water under the bridge for the sake of our entertainment. It's not like they aren't still showcasing the product. Plus it's CES. I'd be surprised they even found time to poop during that week.

This is a XR device, which should be a quest pro competitor. The quest 2 is just VR device. I think he just said it wrong.

He definitely misspoke, he is absolutely talking about the Quest Prk

Quest 2 and Pico 4 are so cheap that I don't see how a hardware company that actually needs to make profit with the hardware can compete against them.

​@@bruhWTH43 Most consoles are sold at a loss, at least initially

@@devluz Simple, add features or improve upon them to justify the cost. It's why many people come around every upgrade cycle to upgrade their phones. Hell, some people don't even need that justification and just want to get the newest model.

yep and a bit larger fov makes it even less pixels per degree compared to this

@@pumpuppthevolume perhaps. But that doesn't mean all of the pixels are in your fov. More could simply be occluded.

I believe this new headset has a similar PPD of the Quest 2, which is a nice improvement over the Index... although the PCVR experience on a Quest 2 is a little subpar due to the compression going on over Wifi/USB. Considering the Quest 2's bitrate was limited by the XR2 chip, the same chip in the XR Elite... they really should have added Displayport support for a headset in this pricepoint. Headsets like the Pico Neo 3 Link have proven its possible.

@@weepgamerit looks perfectly fine with the highest bitrate with HEVC unless you set your refresh to 120, ngl, you don’t need it unless you’re playing beat saber.

@@SlyNine what ...one has bigger fov and lower res ....the other has smaller fov and higher res ....I was saying the bigger fov additionally lowers the pixels per degree on top of the resolution already being lower

yeah that guy brought a sense of fun into the demo for sure.

Does he come alongside a vive?

Hey! Never seen someone with my same avatar before. Haha!

aw man I really miss old E3

@@RHYTE Me too...

That would be so funny!

We want a series, this is the 3rd time I have said this XD

Needs to be a thing!

Don't do that to Riley

That'd be a good floatplane. Just all of them wandering around giving tips

Fairly sure they plan to sell an adapter later on for eye and face tracking

They are, Squidward looking accessories.

Yeah, HMDs without built-in face tracking after 2022 are DOA.

@@SnrubSource no, eye tracking seems interesting for foveated rendering, face tracking is fucking pointless imo.

@@SnrubSource Absolutely not but go off

Timestamp?

@@chippym8316 1:44

@@jgp1s ty

Yea it's good they think about it, wish they thought about people with worse eye sight like me, -8 could have been just that extra step instead of only -6

@@raynlaze1339 I think it gets more expensive to make decent thin lenses at higher prescriptions so I guess they have to draw the line somewhere, but yes I imagine it's very annoying if that line is just a little bit early for you 😕 I'm -5.25 in one of my eyes so if it keeps drifting slowly that way I'll be in the same boat as you.

I doubt it's the same chip. Quest 2 has xr2 gen 1 and it's severely underclocked. It might either be a new revision of the gen 1 or, maybe, even gen 2

@@hokayson6518 Yea I guess you're right. My eye sight also reduces slowly over time, it did get less and less drastic since a few years, but still by tiny amounts it's reducing sadly.

@@michel333alfa-kun3 it's being reported at the same chip, though I've not seen anything about clock speeds so if the Quest 2 is underclocked there's a chance it'll be a bit faster. But for something released 18 months later you'd hope they'd have something next gen with the usual performance uplift &/or power saving. The Elite XR is very small though, maybe I don't mind trading no performance bump for the extra comfort.

Should have said Quest Pro instead, I think it's way better of a comparison.

It does compete with Quest 2 as well if you want to an option to pay more instead of subsidizing the cost with your personal data. The true cost of a of Quest 2 is $400 + your privacy. And this has better lenses and color passthrough. So it depends how much your privacy is worth to you as to whether this is competitive.

@@MethosOhio while you're not wrong I do always find it funny to see that argument coming from people who seem to have no issue using Google and shit, heck some of them even use whatsapp....

@@MethosOhio Except Meta went the console route. Sell the headset for a loss, make money on accessories and game and DLC sales

@@MethosOhio iirc the business version of the quest 2 is 600 dollars. Supposing it isn't subsidized too, the real cost of it is around that

Yeah lol, wouldn't really call it a """""consumer""""" headset if it's $800+

@SnrubSource The Valve Index is around $1200, is not standalone, and is a consumer-focused HMD.

@@xedrexgaming9579 Pico4 is around 350-400$ and has way higher resolution than this.

@@Nobody-Nowhere way to miss the point...

@Nobody-Nowhere what I am saying is that there is such a thing as high-end consumer VR. Pico and Meta both heavily subsidize their headsets which is how they can push the prices so low. Remember that ByteDance and Meta own both many many different companies and they are both advertising conglomerates.

Then its an even worse comparison because the pro has a helluva lot more going on

@@zeroa69 from what I hear that's not really true. They're both relatively good products that have their own advantages and weaker points. (I don't remember all the details, but Thrillseeker covered it)

Pico4, though it's Bytedance (Chinese company that owns TikTok) So pick your poison I guess...

Don't like Meta? Then get a Quest 2! Why? Because you can hack them to remove all the Meta connectivity! End result is you get a rather good budget VR headset, and Meta loses money, since they take a loss on each Quest 2 sold that they can't harvest any user data from!

@@fireaza Can you run SteamVR games on it? Or do you still have to purchase through the Meta store?

@@MrPicklepod Steam VR is compatible with basically any VR headset, including Meta's.

If it weren't for some VR diehards willing to deal with the devil & Valve spearheading their own headsets with HTC & then independently, Facebook may as well have killed the VR industry before it even got off the ground imo. Frankly, given that the pandemic's been a prime opportunity for the VR industry & despite that Facebook still hasn't turned a massive profit from their VR investments (which isn't to say they haven't been making some bank on it, mind), I'd be willing to say Facebook _has_ fumbled hard with promoting VR. They've undoubtedly helped adoption in some ways by eating the costs on the Quests, but they've repeatedly shot themselves in the foot through bad reputation, attempted account integration/consolidation, and very clearly signaling they want their own VR walled garden to collect literally as much data as they possibly can within legal limits (and then some in the gray areas, and more where they don't think the law's caught up yet). Oh and of course they also want their own VR walled garden so they can exact as much money from you as possible without platform fees they'd deal with via Apple/Google/Valve.

That assumes you're the only one using it, for a 1100 price tag that's a big assumption. Much better to have that dial so you don't have to keep swapping

The only problem is that you're adding another layer of glass in front of the lens that wasn't there before. I find it causes some offsetting of the image when looking to the side of the screen. Would be interesting to see if a headset designed with that in mind would do better. Hope it won't be easy to knock the dial too though. Think it was a past one of theirs, but there was a headset that often went out of focus because of that

@@ulrar Plus you don't have to pay like $70 for each prescription. Also, at least for me, my prescription has changed over time. Not dramatically, but being able to make it slightly stronger over time if I need to would be a great feature.

Honestly, at point just get some contacts.

@@tams805 Not really, I really only wear glasses for further away, when sitting behind my desk I generally don't use them. Wearing contacts just for VR really would be too much of a hassle.

$1,100 headset that can't even match the refresh rate of something less than half its price

If you've used vr you'll know that FOV is way more important some people don't even get that immersion feeling with quest 2 like fov

That's why I love my just bought Valve Index VR with 144hz and bigger FOv

It really depends on what is important for you. It does have better lenses, sub 300g weight with PCVR, much smaller and better comfort, wider FOV, proper depth sensor, better passthrough for XR and HTC makes their money with the hardware not your data. I see quite a lot of value in this headset.

@@JohnDoeC78 i got a pimax instead cause i found one for a good price i love the fov, but the comfort is.. improvable, to be kind

@@RecRoom_Stuff at least they will probably change the game. I hope.

Pretty sure the one apple wants to make isnt eveen for gaming

yep, 3D reconstructed, accurate stereo mixed reality passthrough via two IPD-spaced cameras is damn cool. it makes all the difference.

Apples headset will just add to the segmentation of the VR market and I doubt it'll be focused on gaming

Same, I’m torn about picking up an index or waiting for the index 2 to come out.

how much did you pay in aussie dollarydoos?

agree to disagree. anything standalone is a crappy computer on your face, and mid-to-high end desktop computers with mid-to-high end graphics card can struggle mightily with many vr titles. which is a bonus if the pcvr performance is basically indistinguishable from a normal pcvr headset. Its nice to leave your computer behind and have some option. but it is not worth a grand on its own, or with the gimmick of 'basically also a pcvr headset if you like crappy jittery streaming compression over wifi or usb'

@Game Over Not an expert but I know the latest USB-C cables can transfer 10Gbts of data every second. Surely that is good enough for good, tethered PC VR experience?

Honestly! I’ve had glasses my whole life and my vision is bad enough that contacts isn’t really an option for me so having something like this on a headset is amazing!

My right eye is -7.5 so I guess I couldn't use it... but I am pretty blind so fair enough. I had a Rift S and a Quest 2 and have no problem just wearing glasses or contacts underneath.

@@jsVfPe3 do you really need to wear glasses with the vr headset. We with -8 are short sighted, so we should see the screen crystal clear when it is just a few centimeters away from our eyes. At least that is what I experienced ob the limited test time I had with vr/ar

I would guess that its because you can't really wear glasses with the headset especially since the light cover is not as magnetic, and since that's the case then you would need that lens adjustment. If only it wasn't eleven hunge ($1100)

The pico 4 is a thing and a real quest 2 competitor. I still have hope that the valve decker is a thing. A direct linux vr headset would be awesome

@@ized88 Yes, but the pico is also tied to a social media company and the Chinese government. That's not a better arrangement.

@@MethosOhio And it's not even available in the US

@@notlNSIGHT it is if you buy it from their german retailer.

@@MethosOhio yes but the pico doesnt require any of that jazz yo function. Quest 2 no longer harvest all your data via fb anymore either. Its funny actually my account was made for rift cv1 using fb. I was able to unlink the account and it told me i have to register a meta account to play online etc but ive not done that at all. It tells me to everytime i want to dl a game but lets me get it anyways and online works fine.

Same. I just want something that’s not Meta. I hate feeding The Zuck’s machine

Ever heard of pico 4?

the only one is pico 4 and maaybe hp reverb g2 assuming you have a good enough pc

@@a9904102 I have, unfortunately it came out after I bought my Quest, but it does look interesting. The specs seem almost identical tho, so it doesn't seem worth it to switch for me, but I will keep an eye out for the Pico 5

@@a9904102 Doesn't exist in the US, and it doesn't support wired PCVR

Or as they say in French, Oeuf. (I know it means egg, but it also stands in for a big fat Zero which is the chance that this thing has to compete against the Quest 2 on price).

Yeah that part was a straight up lie.

Well it's still hacky. It's not a native connection to the PC or to SteamVR. You gotta first go through Link (which isn't a native USB and DP connection to the PC, but instead does a shit ton of compression and encoding), then you gotta go through Oculus' app... Then Steam VR. Each of those extra steps adds LAG.

@@notlNSIGHT Clearly you never actually used the Quest 2 for this purpose, as the latency or "lag" is extremely minimal and really only slightly noticeable if you are a decent player in a fast paced game like Beatsaber

@@iggyiggz1999 I literally daily a Quest 2

You haven't needed a Facebook account to use a Quest for like 2 years now

@@noxious_nights Well, I didn't keep up with Facebook, so thanks for the update. I still don't support what they do, and I do vote with my money!

It's not a quest 2 competitor. It's a quest pro competitor

@@t.jrocket2589 and it barely competes against the quest 2, never mind the pro. The quest 2 can do 120hz

Spend an extra $300 and you could get a Quest Pro, that has full hand and eye tracking.

@@t.jrocket2589 If that's the case than quest 2 kind of wins easily.

The Quest Pro is junk (besides the controllers)

Cool

Are you really willing to pay almost 3x the price for that though? You'd also be making a small step back in resolution. And the Pico 4 does have a few 3rd party options for a more comfortable face mask as well now. Also not sure what you'd be using it for... if PC VR, then it 'might' be worth it to you. If a lot of standalone usage... I don't see HTC having a really big marketplace for that.

@@thenonexistinghero absolutely not lol

Yep pico 4 is amazing with the pancake lenses, wayy better than quest imo

So will I. If the mic is good, it'll be tempting.

PPD is better, but it's not the whole story. The optical system is not going to be ideal so the picture quality of two headsets with the exact same PPD can look different. A bad optical system will make the picture look blurry despite having a high PPD. This is where measurements like MTF come in.

also, emphasising PPD leads to headsets with like 60° FoV trying to max their PPD. I have a high FoV headset (Index) and a high PPD headset (Reverb G2) and between those, I'll definitely choose more FoV.

Index has a ton of build quality issues. I would not recommend it unfortunately

You need a PC to run SteamVR games. Being able to run SteamVR games natively would require MUCH MORE powerful and bulky hardware than what they headset uses.