The Alternate Timeline Iceberg Explained (Part 3) 

When part 4

Hope that personal issue was resolved to your satisfaction.

The trilogy

This was one of my favorite video series to find lately. Thanks for taking the time!

Multiverse of Madness Inspired all of this right? I guess that's the next project? AlternateHistory had Cody been born in Europe, What if, Ect Ect ; or the Punic Wars compared to the USSR/ Russia falling apart completely ( like Cold War is the first, now is the 2nd ect, end of fossil the 3rd or something)

And it's utterly gorgeous

That’s kind of something that happens in all alternate history, because if you went with the most realistic scenario, you’d get the real timeline. The question is just how far you go

The more I read about these, the more I realise how "not realistic enough" isnt an excuse for me to not write down my scenarios

That's because Alternate history isn't historically accurate, its Alternate after all...that's why I give these writers the benefit of the doubt...It just makes for fantastic storytelling...

And that's what makes them good to read,because there are many scenarios that could have happened.

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@@mokla_ i’d imagine there’s an alt history example in this iceberg that managed to predict the current russia v ukraine conflict

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Thats an absolutely dark twisted bit of irony

It's so hilarious how true this is. The butterfly effect is absolutely real but the ole saying where a butterfly flaps it's wings differently in one part of the world causes a tsunami in another is just too extreme and people often run with that. Butterfly effects are too weak when it's something so small to make such a huge difference. JFK remaining alive would be a huge one like in your example, but sadly someone out there has the idea it would be as extreme as yours. Lmao.

@@someperson2287 thats why when I write althistory and try to copy the the starting's plausibility all over

@@someperson2287 While I do agree with this, it is also amusing and kinda fun to see just how wild some of these timelines go. I enjoy it.

incredibly plausible tbh i could see this happening

I assumed it was, given it had the most custom artwork for it

I can imagine Winston Churchill saying "this is the worst timeline, except for all the others that have been tried."

i want an alternate history story where Winston Churchill is transported into the future and just read about alternate history stories made about him

@@regentofnothing I want an alternate history story where Winston Churchill is transported into the future, only to find out that Boris Johnson is claiming to be the new Churchill whereupon Winston dispatches the bodger on his latest adventure to invade the soft underbelly of somewhere and so is gone for 5 years (at least).

Ok but consider a book where Winston Churchill is introduced to modern alternate histories before WWII

Somebody should do one where Hitler travels back in time to give the Confederates jetpacks. (And Churchill can also go back in time to stop him.)

I know, if you didn’t already know it was his book, then you probably wouldn’t have known

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I got a chuckle 🤭

and hear that the traitors would have freed the slaves lol

@@jackoleen1236and are some how less racist than the north

@@notthefbi7015 because a society rooted in the economic idea that one group of people are inherently less valuable than another would never carry those values in their day to day lives

​@@jackoleen1236the Indiana kkk had the largest percentage of native born whites in the Klan, the most prominent fascists in the USA during the 20th century were from the North, but sure, South bad

Make it a drinking game

Its literally the meme from Kaiserreich where he makes a alt history book, the first one turns out okay (and gets turned into a mod), then he writes a second one describing the cold war of the first book if I recall properly and it gets slammed as being trash.

😂😂

As a result, there is a worldwide nuclear war and fascists take power everywhere.

What a dystopian nightmare

That's horrific!

That’s a big glass.

Maybe he would make RU-vid videos

Okay I actually do want to read that where do I go to read that can I buy it somewhere I kind of forgot it's been so many years since I've been remember him talking about it

He sorta is. After all, this is his channel.

@@RandomYT05_01 that's... the joke

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Yooo I just started reading "A World of Laughter" after watching this video! I only just started, but so far, so ... interesting. Hey, maybe I'll reply again when I make more headway.

@@alejandrovasquez8527 That's great! It's essentially a rough draft, but I hope you enjoy what's there.

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I read it years back, remembered it today, and wondered if it was on this channel. Glad it is as it really is an incredible work. I'd love for Cody one day to do a full video on the story as it definitely deserves it.

"...but it went all down hill with the sex slave monkeys" is a statement I never, ever thought I would read.

@@Civilized-Joke and a sentence i never thought I'd write

Frankly I believe the sex monkeys were a benefit to the fucking madness of it

also. "more successful than raccoons" WHAT DOES THAT MEAN

It's like someone hit the writer in the head halfway through

It's the kind of sentence you don't really want to hear either. sm

It's unironically a real thing. Look up Pony the Orangutan

Bru

That must be from a horror novel

It's like "Hear me out, green Antarctica." *Cool* "Flora and Fauna like Australia" *Makes sense* "Harsh conditions" *K* "Cannibal Morlock natives" *I mean...* "Sex Monkey Raccoons" * '_' .....wat?*

@@adambell9188 "hear me out, stalin lives for like 10 more seconds!" *okay* "he gets a bit more crazy" *sure, i guess..* "he starts killing people because of israel!" *uhh...* "america declares war and nukes china 10 times" *what..?*

Hey, for some people they're a fun historical monster to see how they could win and fuck shit up (like Godzilla but it's a bunch of chumps from the 19th century), for other people they're interesting to see redeem themselves in an alternate timeline, and some people just wanna see what chaos happens when you cut America in half.

Dixie runs deep boy

@@thomash8079 cringe

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@@thomash8079 mustard

what

Not alternate history yet, as the divergence point is in 2026.

The antarctic polynesians really are unbelievable. They're Aztec-esque where they use human beings as emergency cattle... but go so far overboard into utilitarian nightmare that they're not believable as a civilization.

yeah it was cool at first. Antarctica was once green in the past before when the earth was warmer and the antarctic land mass was further north, further from the south pole. It used to be connected to south america and australia and supported so many different ecosystems throughout prehistoric history from habitats with giant predatory amphibians, dinosaurs and later marsupials. Marsupial mammals originated in south america and spread to australia through the antarctic landmass when they three continents were connected. The history was already fascinating. The story became ridiculous at then end.

Not least of which because, if they're writing a population of people psychologically and sociologically adapting to a land of giant and dangerous monsters that's winter night for six months ... the Inuit peoples are right there. And they live in an even harsher world, as they don't even have the benefit of the arctic being green. It really is just that they wanted a grimdark fantasy land and worked from there

I'm with you on that. There's only so much evil a civilization can tolerate if it is to remain viable. When everyone has to constantly be on watch against every other person, society becomes impossible. This, I think, is where games like DnD and Warhammer break down. Not that they're not still fun, but they reflect nothing real.

Reminded me of the drakia shit, some vaguely plausible premise devolving into absolute madness for no good reason other than maybe shock value?

The original creator of the iceberg didn't do a very good job of formating it tho

@@pippi2285 even though the iceberg itself is poorly made, its still been some entertaining videos

I think it would be a cool thing to see annually and throughout the year explain the various topics in more depth.

It's really weird to see youtubers you know from other communities just watching videos

It's like a fever dream

Well, it's close to reality instead it's Russia attacking Ukraine.

What do you mean core? It's obviously hollow

@@Nhakunk You're all talking nonsense- Gravity is a myth, the world sucks.

Yep. And it is always about politics and conflicts. An original one, tht I dont think that will make to this video, is the 2019 film "Yesterday", where a struggling musician wakes up, afer being hit by a lighting strike, during a nation wide power shortage, in a alternate timeline where the beatles never existed.

I'm pretty sure it's not just the Beatles, but also Harry Potter, coca cola don't exist as well.

If the cotton gin had come a decade later slavery could've ended earlier, as it was already dying out before the cotton gin's invention, which only made it sky rocket there might not have been a civil war, Lincoln may never have become president, etc...

@@justinambru8529 Harry Potter not existing would probably be for the best considering who wrote it.

@@connorbeith3232 While I may not emphasize with JK's political pandering, I certainly wouldn't say that the book series should be wiped out from existence.

Yes, everyone wants to re-fight WWII. Uncomfortable conclusion I came to is a lot of young guys are into Nazi ideation.

also the cold war

it took place everywhere affected a lot of people. so much time has passed it's not as popular anymore. plenty of newer wars to talk about.

American's, brits and Russians love WW2

@@anjetto1 WW1 is more intresting

It made no sense at all. That author is total nutter.

@@allanshpeley4284 I suspect the author either likes really fucked up shock fics or has some really weird sexual fetishes, or both. It's up there with the broken arms ama as far as things I most regret having read.

@@merrymerryjerry6736 I just think the author read too deeply into Warhammer Fantasy Battles and wanted the Druchii to exist in our world.

I love old 19th century speculative fiction about Antarctica so any kind of fictional scenario involving a habitable Antarctica has to be interesting! *a minute later* The fuck?

I had to rewind a bit to make sure I didn't miss a scenario shift.

Basically yes

A World of Happiness, A World of Tears is unironically really good

@@pixelproductions150 In theory, yes. But if you know who Disney was and it’s been documented on how much of a huge antisemite and a notorious racist he was. It wouldn’t end very well.

@@comixproviderftw_02 yeah, I got to that part of the video, but still, it sounds good in theory.

Yeah, well imagine how it felt for me to come up with it and write the thing...

@@Aurelian369_ Thanks for the plug!

@@weakspirit_ He really should, he seems like the kind to bring a lot new and unique ideas to the table. Althis hub would actually have a worthy competitor.

Set in Alternate Universe, The creator/writer of Atlantropa Articles created a RU-vid channel where he's discussing the possibilities of althist and stuff

Could also be a tier ranking video!

No Monuments mythos? Too bad. I guess it's way way too obscure for even iceberg videos. Would have loved to see what he has to say about it.

Shame there is no Romanitas

Surprisingly code glass was in level 13 but he never talked about it

@@kavukkii Yeah I was about to say the same thing. Shouldn’t be so low tho

@@tonylu2471 many people have seen it though, I'd hardly say it's obscure especially considering most of the other stories in this iceberg

I know it's so good! I'm glad there's atleast some recognition of it since I'm such a massive fan of the series.

It is SUCH a shame it went that way, in my opinion. I would love to read about an alternate, green, colourful Antarctica with weird animals and then it got SUPER FREAKING DEPRESSING. So...I guess now we need _another_ Green Antarctica story...

@@robinchesterfield42 It also sounded kinda…I hesitate to call it “racist” but there were some extremely problematic elements that remind me of imperialist propaganda and stereotypical assumptions regarding indigenous peoples

You could always write your own version of it. Just some talent and time to do it.

@@warlordofbritannia no, yeah, I'd say racist is a fair term. I mean, maybe the author flags it up, but the way Cody describes it seems pretty much like the people are evil because they're just irredeemably evil (it's not like in real life there's a correlation between strict caste hierarchy, necrophilia, and monkey sex slaves). Weirdly, it might be less racist if it's from a full internal perspective. If it's set with the perspective of outsiders going "good lord, this is horrific," it just reads like "yes, but what if all that shite about primitive people eating kids was right?", but if we're set in this scenario and it's just something that happens around some characters, it almost could be interesting. How do you think it your society is THAT fucked up? When I heard the "they eat their own kids" bit, I was like oh sick, this is going to be some Pratchett-style examination of identity and spirituality, yes? But no, it seems to just be horror porn.

@@MarkusAldawn I mean, dark-skinned inherently savage people from the Southern Hemisphere is at least several yikes! so I didn’t want to tie it down to just “racism” Racisms, on the other hand… 😂

Don't forget Ben Franklin betraying the Am Rev for a baronship, Napoleon successfully taking the British Isles, and the fact that the Britons elect a Super-King that fends off Caesar's invasion which starts the calendar 50 years before our timeline. None of this history is touched on in the anime beyond a 10 sec glance at a textbook that just has the same page written twice and some little scenes where a student or teacher is saying something while the characters aren't paying attention.

@@Error633 That whole bit of the Briton kings fending off Caesar always seemed like propaganda history. Make their history seems so much more grand.

@@robertgronewold3326 I wouldn't say that Britannia was the only global superpower, though the other two major power (The Chinese Federation and the United Republics of Europe) do seem to see Britannian conquest as inevitable. In regards to the Caeser timeline, I would agree that it seems extremely unlikely to be a true story, especially with how the Britannian calendar of a.t.b theoretically use the accession of that Briton superking as year 0, but if you reverse the French Revolutionary calendar used by the Europeans, then the French Revolution kicks off in 1789 a.t.b meaning that it is really difficult to say that the a.t.b and ad calendars start at different dates.

"thorough" Bro, the point of divergence is in the Roman era yet pretty much nothing except the names of British/English royals changes until the US war of independence. The writers really murdered the butterflies with that one.

@@gokbay3057 by "thorough" I meant how deep into time the point of divergence was. But you're absolutely right; nothing really impactful changes until the 18th century.

​@@gokbay3057the "point of divergence" was King Arthur choosing the Squirrel as his Queen.

Unfortunate that the author went into Garth Ennis levels of edge with the premise.

*it’s all a coincidence*

Same thing happened to me, but then again I’ve been checking twice a day to see if it’s been uploaded yet

That happens to me all the time with Dan Carlin. I had a dream one night that he would do a show about Iran, and the next morning he uploads an interview about Iran.

I checked last night wake up this morning and its here lol wtf

Cody lives in your walls

Cody and emperor tigerstar do their collaborative review of Harry turtledove's amazing best-selling historical series about an alternate Civil War praising the author and his amazing historical accuracy. They receive millions of views and become trending history and geography based RU-vid channels. Turtledove becomes a household name for his work and gets invited on speaking tours based on various historical topics. Uh...the end.

There's a timeline where Harry Turtledove doesn't write silly alternate history, but goes on to become one of the most respected historians of our time. His intense work ethic and open mind put into the upper crust of historians. In the future, his name is mentioned along side the likes of Plutarch and Tacitus.

@@tonylu2471 This also causes a big ol' nuclear war for some reason.

After realizing his world war book with aliens was stupid, Turtledove turns to astronomy to discover the very aliens he wrote about in order to justify his wild speculations. This leads to a new age and timeline where Astronomy is so extremely influential, that nations become "Astro-cratic," in which furthering Human advancement into the stars is placed above all else. A few years after his death, the Humans of the United Stars of America discover the aliens he planned to write about.

Didn't he write to pay off his children's student loans or something?

To be fair, tech progresses when you have lots of people in a complex society long enough. If any given empire gets a new lease on life through some quirk or by taking over from a dying empire, tech will keep improving.

I forgot I had bought and read this book 5 years ago LOL. I was like OH YEAH.

except it's reversed

Well, actually, the end had Alexander the Great invading west, and the Romans somehow defeated him. Rome was still a very small country, only controlling parts of the Italian coast.

Roughly is a bit of an overstatement

@@fruitpigenthusiast120 you can say that again

@@WoddCar But Ukraine expanded it's territory and invade Belarus in the alt history. You can't say it predicted the Ukrainian Russian war when the opposite happened. Unless, are Russian by any chance?

@Neyra fucking bots

XD Yes truely, the *EXPANSIONOUSE UKRAIN...*

Definitely a mod developed by Putin himself.

Putin’s Fanfiction

@@jaceyb3792 Putting?

@@ButtMash1 Putin Pudding?

Nice

And made me even more grateful for Code Geass

How is that going

Never gonna give you up! Not the same funny as the Rick stuff, however, I'm happy the video actually said "Spring roll" and not "Egg roll" people confuse the two all the time.

The irony is that there are Turtledove stories that were missed. _The Case of the Toxic Spell Dump,_ in which sufficiently understood _divine_ magic replaces technology as we know it, is set in the City of Angels, circa 1980 AD (certainly not CE in _this_ alternate), an important city on the west coast of a continent-spanning empire that has an air quality problem: carpet lint from all the flying carpets. It's largely understood as a simple search-and-replace of modern America (at the time of writing), except for a few fillips from the divine magic. Souls are demonstrably real, and some of the worst monsters in history are known to have lacked one; it's widely believed (in setting) that having no fear of the afterlife contributed to their monstrous choices. Gods with no worshipers can't empower spells, so corporations and governments pay for artificial cults to keep useful gods active; if Hermes weren't active, telecommunications would stop working. And sometimes the magics interact in a more direct manner; flying carpets are the car-equivalent and are powered by a wind elemental; place an earth elemental on the carpet, and the magics destroy each other. This is a bad thing when flying at speed and altitude.

@@boobah5643 Well, I was saying that there had been a lot of Turtledove books in the icebergs. In any event that does sound like a very cool alt-history storyline, and maybe there could be a Turtledove iceberg too? I honestly feel like that could be a thing, however, this is not that, so no room for his greatest hits. I'm not mocking, I want to read that book now!

While Patagonia is closer, the Polynesians had a much more seafaring culture, having sailed all the way to South America from the Pacific at one point. There's also oral records about a Polynesian sailor who found an "icy, mountainous land untouched by the sun." Even though oral record can have exaggeration or legend mixed in, that sounds a lot like Antarctica to me

The Fuegans? Weren’t they on the edge as it was? (Giving credence to the Green Antarctica scenario somewhat)

@Muhamad Tirta Syaikha Basically, 2012 USA gets teleported to the world of Orwell's 1984 (which I think in their timeline is called "The Last Man in Europe"). It gets more interesting from there.

Freesia is another interesting story he missed

After reading the story, it's really a shame that the story stopped getting updated.

@anormalman Really late, but yeah, it's really a shame that 2.0 version of the story never got updated for a long time. I hope someone can make a fan continuation one day.

What if Native Americans colonised Afro-Eurasia & Oceania?

I bet it would probably be like Brittan making north America into a Canada or something

America respected their tribal borders. It’s just that tribes didn’t know where their borders actually were. Thankfully America was there to help!! XD :p :(.

@@JcBravo8 Well, no I'm not so sure about that. Because there were confusions about what "the ownership of a road" meant. Because the western colonizers wanted to develop trade routs and there was confusion about what that meant for the land where the roads were laid. I think. I'm not super good at history. 😬 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Unfortunately, I just don’t think that was ever possible… Even if it were, millions of natives were going to die of smallpox and other diseases regardless of how peaceable relations are. At best, we still see natives being used in colonial conflicts but more on equal terms with their European allies. Eventually, sovereign tribes exist within the United States’ borders that eventually are incorporated as states….On the bright side, no Indian Wars, no genocide, no reservation systems, no boarding schools, etc. This means modern day natives have a much higher standard of living, but even less distinct ethnic and cultural identities as they’ve been assimilated into the greater American society.

I'll just take a guess that such an alt timeline would be too good for a short explanation in an iceberg

In Code Geass universe mention about America who had defeated by England in American Revolution War as a result of establishing Britanian Empire in America that govern by royal monarchy.

Yeah. I was excited to see Code Geass on the list and was hoping he'd cover it briefly like everything else, then it was just skipped entirely. Kind of disappointed, hope it gets covered in a future video. :(

The fact that the first divergence is in the Roman invasion of Britain, then in the Tudor era then in the American War of Independence with pretty much no changes in between I hesitate to call Code Geass good alternate history. Not to say anything against its quality as a story in general, it is a really good anime.

I think alot of these say alot about the authors and creative minds behind them. Some are pretty far out there. Lol

But XCOM doesn’t based on real history.

@@taninsuwannatri8411 Neither is Aliens invading Earth during WW2, but that got covered anyways.

@@taninsuwannatri8411 But the other things are

It really isn't all that fascinating imo. Just standard creator provincialism. Most AH writers (and audience) are Americans, so most scenarios focus on America. Just like how Sci-fi/Fantasy authors (and audience) being human leads to there being humans in pretty important roles in pretty much every Sci-fi/Fantasy universe. If China was a democracy and there were tons of Chinese AH authors in public sphere I would guess there would be lots more China focused timelines, including ones that see secessions and civil wars.

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