The worst parts of Perty and Magnus' personalities is what makes their friendship so funny to me. They're 100% 'that guy' & 'that guy' at the store who are trying to out nerd each other
@@durrangodsgrief6503He had a direct order from the Emperor to bring Magnus to Terra on trial (which was changed by Horus to make him think it was to destroy Magnus Legion) and told Magnus so. So talking about.. what exactly? How he was suppose to surrender and let his Legion and World be destroyed? He choose to sulk and just let it happen. The greater theme in the books is how (most) of the Primarchs never had a chance to avoid their faith. The only thing relevant is how they go on about it. And somehow all the Traitors are the ones with the greater character flaws while all the Loyalists are noble and had never done anything wrong... Which would have worked great if they had used the unreliable narrator style of the old fluff, where everyone is the good one in their own eyes instead of every author having their clear favorits and being very obvious who is the good one and who deserved everything happening to them, even the stuff that happend before they did anything wrong.😅
I feel like a leman Russ episode of the same premise would be real interesting, it’d be interesting to see people defend/critique his actions the same way y’all defended/critiqued magnus’s.
@@jo_ken most definitely, but with leman especially imo, seeing as he is one of the more controversial primarchs, one who many say is a traitor due to his actions during the heresy. Personally don’t believe that btw.
Alright, haven't seen anyone mention it. The statue thing. In the book where the statue is described it is clearly a changer of ways, one of tzeentch's bird daemons. Though it isn't explicit, i interpreted magnus reading universal patterns in the debris of the multicolored and geometric shards of the statue to have been deliberately set up by tzeentch to lead magnus down the path to warp sorcery. Magnus is, at his core, curious. He MUST know. Which, as far as I'm concerned, is the emperor's fault. Make a being made entirely of thought energy, its going to want more thought energy. I genuinely believe magnus was always at risk of corruption due to the proximity of his very being to the warp, basically every other corrupted primarch in my opinion was made much more susceptible to the lure of chaos by the environment they found themselves in. I don't necessarily think magnus Should be blamed for the fact that the emperor didn't give his psychic battery man some brain McAfee in the form of natural skepticism. Caution is something primarchs are capable of, but them emperor encouraged magnus' arrogance. Not that there aren't things magnus did wrong, but the statue thing was pretty clearly tzeentch giving Magnus a taste of the power delving into psychic power is capable of.
If this was TTS Magnus, it would be a shouting match between four unhinged losers and Zegram XD Also, “Sentient Smegma” is one of the greatest fucking insults I’ve ever had the pleasure of hearing. God bless you Amber King you legend.
1:29:05 Now that you’ve done this. You better have the emperor do the Crocodile Hunter impression. ‘Crocie, look at this guy i caught. Such a beautiful creature. Let me tell you about this while i handle it to show you.’ -Emperor handling Slaanesh
Hey im that lokale Dane!! Btw there is an old law in Danmark where if Kattegat is frozen over and a Swed walks over the ice, you are legally allowed to beat them with a sick Idk we just really liked to pick a fight with Sweden. Danmark and Sweden have been at war with each other 15 times
I think the reason why they gained a understanding of the universe after seeing the shattered statue is: The statue shattered. It didn't brake, what you would expect a statue to do, but shattered. Meaning it instantly broke into such small pices that there had to be a reason why it did sustain as big of damage as it did. Looking at the shards they understood that evrything in the universe has a shatter point, wich if you can find it no matter how tough the target might be, will instatly crubble into shards and be destroyed.
Mortarion wasn’t bald. He had a full head of lanky black hair like Curze, pale skin like Curze, amber colored eyes, and was really tall and built. This is stated in a number of books.
This is great. I'm gonna need you guys to examine the crimes of Perturabo next! Did Olympia get what it deserved? Did Rogal Dorn rub his success in his brother's face? Should the old woman have kept her mouth shut and she'd still be alive? Does Valrak need to rethink his entire world view and do another apology video?
Your honor, it is not Magnus's fault that his dad put an expensive vase next to the psychic phone. How was Magnus to know that if he rang his dad using the phone number a dude he met gave him, it would knock over the vase
Emperor told Magnus in A Thousand Sons that he was returning to Terra to master the webway (This is true, it's in the "Thousand sons" book), that it was in a delicate phase, and that Magnus needs to stop with the sorcery. He also put giant 'DO NOT FUCK WITH THIS' wards around the webway, which should've been all the hint someone supposedly as smart as Magnus needed to back off. Magnus, the Emperor's most important sons ignored basic instructions and caused total catastrophe for the Human race. Magnus' plan was almost certainly not the best way to warn him, and Ahriman even suspected that Magnus' true goal was to impress upon the Emperor how useful unrestrained psykers could be in the hope that he might reverse his decision at Nikea, especially considering that the ritual needed to make this astral projection work required HUMAN SACRIFICE. Even Magnus' own advisors had doubts about the plan.
Remember Magnus asked Vulcan if he would sacrifice any of his sons for salvation and Vulcan relied with not a single one and then hit magnus with the teleporter/ hammer the magnus said f ur 2 kids with lightning bolt.
For the Shai-tun thing, weren’t the refugees all possessed before Magnus even figured out what was going on? So technically not his fault after he sealed it in his book.
Magnus probably inherited the emperors “pride” of knowledge wanting to know everything about the warp and no one can tell him better. The emperor at any moment could’ve forced Magnus to sit down and explain all of the intricacies and dangers of the warp with him, and that he planed for him to be the center of the webway project he was working on. Instead he kept him in the dark and simply used the dad card to try and force him to shut up and know his place.
1:34:20 Since he was kinda using the warp and that is influence greatly by will power and EMOTION… well, Magnus just wrecked something his dad kept secret and koolaid man his way through it to his dad. On top of that Big E gave Magnus a vision of his future and what it meant for humanity and for Magnus since his creation. Needless to say that effected both his will and emotional state while using the Warp.
I've been noticed! Thanks Moots! Ill look into setting up a proper light-box instead of my cardboard box and woodfiller can. I hope they lock up that chili-pepper space-wizard. He cant keep getting away with it!
The thing about both the dispersion of the primarchs and magnus breaking in to the webway is both are implied to be caused by a primarch. Like chaos was being actively blocked but the primarchs were able to break in because they were not expected to. But also the writers can do basically whatever they want so there's that.
I think maybe the 3rd strongest human psyker ever empowered by tzeentch would be more than enough. Horus at the climax of the heresy when facing the emperor would probably have been able to do the same and break through all the warding around the sol system and Terra. When chaos agrees on something things get made to happen. The four chaos gods are an immense well of power alone and together they are nigh unstoppable the only hope for the galaxy has and will forever be that they are just as likely to spite each other as any human or zenos.
Tzeentch was probably strong enough to break into the webway as it was, just that empowering a primarch to do it for him and thus get himself excommunicated would be more advantageous over time.
With the way Magnus exited the warp after breaking the webway i don't think he left Terra voluntarily, IIRC he locked eyes the the Emperor and Emps yeeted him back to Prospero.
I think you're close on this, I believe in the book he did try to warn the emp about Horus but emp was so pissed he thought he was the actual traitor and lying about Horus (being his fav son and all) then forced him out of the palace.
My favorite variation of that is "There is no such thing as a plea of innocence in my court. A plea of innocence is guilty of wasting my time." Really shows how awful the Inquisition is.
I hope some day for Magnus to be redeemed even tho he cant recover his noble shard And quick theory what if Leman has been so long in the warp he has mastered rune magic, thats his trait from the warp like corvus He is actually a odin and is no longer retarded And helped Magnus with the tree of life he was looking for if he sees its no usable on thr emperor
on the sangy having black hair bit everyone forgets murder (which got its name from the blood angels captain calling it that after getting everything wiped) had black hair due to mourning
I mean I love alpharious, perty, and russ as characters and as themes. So I get it. Sometimes I want their flaws to be written better, so they're less of a meme - but the meme is also part of what makes them great
@vancodling4223 I kind of see most of the characters through the lens of being a writer. Magnus is flawed for sure, but he is a _fantastic_ character. He's a walking inciting incident and that's what makes him great. I just hate the immediate snide jokes and pissing matches that always seem to come up the second people start talking about him. Some of it is memes, but some of it is negativity disguised as memes. I feel like it's everywhere I go when I even vaguely interact with WH40k content. Like, I honestly wasn't thinking about Magnus, or even looking for WH40k videos, at the time when I got smacked with _that thumbnail._ I just wish it didn't feel like I run into it constantly. It makes me feel uncomfortable, and I feel alone in my appreciation for his character beyond how "justified" he was or how "acceptable" it is to like him.
True (even less so the guard/civilians on Prospero), but who is the one person that could have avoided the slaughter? Magnus, but he decided to just go full EMO instead of calling Russ when he entered system.
Regarding that one Patron Question, I'd choose Chaos to be wiped out. More specifically, Slaanesh, as that'll mean the Ynnari would have successfully resurrected Ynnead, who would've killed the Demon Dick Lady and allow the Aeldari to once again be able to resurrect from the dead upon death.
1:16:48 I can't remember the exact words, but in the End and the Death volume 3 Garviel Loken and Horus argue back and forth, Loken trying to tell him and make him realise he's wrong. Horus is also upset that Loken is not on his side and he says " your were my son, mine to use/spend, not His". I think those were the words
So I wrote a I think 2,000 word genuine response because I am not normal about Magnus, I shan’t put it here even in its paraphrased form because I still have a measure of sanity. I am making this comment though because it did make me realize the teaspoon size that measure is. Despite this there is one quote I shall leave The emperor apparently believes in abstinence only education
Nah he's guilty IDK if he knew about warp stuff or not. It's like this even if you didn't know what for was you still wouldn't go sticking your hand in the middle of it conversation if you open your minds eye and a demons start talking to you you'll probably wanna keep that eye closed
Didn't finish off Konrad. He had zero redeeming qualities, and not once in his life ever presented a part of himself that could be considered good, yet somehow Vulcan is like "Nah, can't do it". He inadvertently caused so many more deaths because if that shit and I'd charge him with criminal negligence.
@@SpookyJackaBoy Vulcan let him live despite knowing he was an absolute danger. No reasonable person would think Konrad would do anything other than continue to murder people. If you let a Tiger out of its cage into a crowded zoo, guess what? If it kills someone you're getting negligent homicide. If a prison guard did the same thing by giving an inmate a weapon he'd get the same sentence.
@@SpookyJackaBoy if said brother had tried to kill me and my sister along with all of his nephews in cold blood, not to mention the months of torture and murder of civilians he captured just to torment me, no force in existence would stop me from killing him. For the good of the galaxy, Vulcan should have killed Curze. All the things he did, he deserved no forgiveness.
As a redhead, Magnus did nothing wrong ever. He's only been persecuted because of his hair color which resulted in unfortunate accidents. He is a victim and not a perpetrator.
Why the fuck does everyonr assume that the Primarchs wouldn't been corrupted by Chaos sooner if The Emperor told them about it? We know that Lorgar got corrupted the moment he got ass mad and went to have a sulk
Is simple, that because today even normal humans don't automatically fall to chaos the moment you mention about chaos as such knowing the existence of extremely strong deceivers that can bend reality greater than what magnus or big E can and twist the mind and body of people might give them less of the bad paranoia and more of the good paranoia. Lorgar and Angrons are 2 primarchs that are kind "too far gone" and like most things that emperor did with the primarchs he handled in the worst way possible before exploding in his face.
