Thanks for my ancient civilization related information. But sir! Does anyone know where can i find this book in pdf? What's name of the book (Carthage : Traders and Writers)?
correct me if I am wrong! but logically speaking the first to build a boats must be the ones who lived on an island first yes!? maybe ... Crete... minoan empire but then again who am I ...you seem to know the facts...
the history channel form of presentation must die. Your intentions in this nice little film may be well, but many see the reenactment style as an insult to intelligence and time wasted. Example, you already talked about the ship production. Why was their a need to waste time and money on a rehash reenactment, when you could have elaborated on something else. More could be covered with simple discussion and presentation with or without visual aids, and still come out better than the speculative and more often than not, inaccurate reenactment.
@4:03 This is not Phoenician this is Modern Standard Arabic. I speak Modern Standard Arabic and Lebanese Arabic and also studied Biblical Hebrew and Phoenician (including the Punic dialect, which includes Carthage). Phoenician is not an Arabic language but a Canaanite language, although Arabic and Phoenician belong to the Semitic branch. for example he says for "500" مئتان وخمسون miʾatayn waḫamsūna =250 Wrong translation and in the Byblian dialect of Phoenician from that era it would be actually 𐤌𐤀𐤕𐤌 𐤅𐤇𐤌𐤔𐤌 miʾtêma waḥamšūma =250 - @6:00 the Egyptians speak in Modern Standard Arabic, this is not Egyptian not accurate. Egyptian is not an Arabic language but belongs to the separate branch "Egyptian" of Afro-Asiatic, while Arabic belongs to the Afro-Asiatic branch Semitic.
@@hosnimtir7469 Your comment is unrelated to my comment. What's your point? Languages do not equal ancestry or replacement of ancient previous cultures, ethnicities. This does not make Egyptians nor Lebanese "Arabs" in the true ethnic sense (defining Arabs as people who not just speak Arabic but also have a true Arab culture and are also connected by ancestry to an ancient Arab culture). - I am not an Arabist by the way and as a Lebanese I identify myself as a human and then Lebanese descending from Phoenician-Canaanites but also being Arabized linguistically because Phoenician is no longer spoken and Lebanese Arabic is not Phoenician and does not descend from it. But I do not identify myself as an Arab. The modern Arab identity is purely based on linguistics and not on cultural elements and emerged in the 20th century CE (It is defined like this: Everyone who speaks natively Arabic is an Arab). However speaking Arabic is not enough to claim to belong to a fully and true, actual Arab culture in the historical sense when the definition of "Arab" had a different meanng and was broader and included culture, ancestry, a certain area and other elements. -- But yes I am aware of the DNA studies. Modern Arabic speaking populations of the Canaan area are mostly Arabized and still descend from the local ancient populations in case of Lebanon it is the Phoenician-Canaanites. The modern populations of the Levant do not descend mostly from the Arabian peninsula nor from Arabs nor do the ancient populations of Canaan descend from the Arabian peninsula or from Arabs. The following are DNA studies of ancient and modern populations which back up what I said: The genomic history of the Middle East By Mohamed A. Almarri et al., 2021 www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(21)00839-4 Continuity and Admixture in the Last Five Millennia of Levantine History from Ancient Canaanite and Present-Day Lebanese Genome Sequences Marc Haber et al., 2017 www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5544389/ Ancient DNA sheds light on the genetic origins of early Iron Age Philistines By Michal Feldman et al., 2019 www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.aax0061 "On the other hand, Levant Arabs are distant from Saudis, Kuwaitis, and Yeminis, an indication that the contribution of the Arabian Peninsula populations to Levantine gene pool is low, probably due to the absence of the demographic aspect of 7th century invasion." "The strong relatedness between Levant Arab populations is explained by their common ancestry, the ancient Canaanites, who came either from Africa or Arabian Peninsula via Egypt in 3300 BC [97], and settled in Levant lowlands after collapse of Ghassulian civilization in 3800-3350 BC [98]" Quotes from: The genetic heterogeneity of Arab populations as inferred from HLA genes By Abdelhafidh Hajjej et al., 2018 journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0192269 - But my point in my previous comment still stands: Lebanese Arabic for example belongs to the Levantine Arabic branch of the Arabic languages and not to Phoenician. The same counts for the languages of modern Egyptians they are Egyptian Arabic languages. Only the liturgical language of the Copts called Coptic is a descendant of the ancient Egyptian language. All modern spoken Arabic language did not evolve directly from Classical Arabic nor from Quran Arabic and did not evolve in a linear way but they are linguistically Arabic. The Semitic Languages: An International Handbook By Stefan Weninger, 2011 Page 853 and page 920-935 (Levantine Arabic) The Subgrouping of the Semitic Languages By Na'ama Pat-El, 2018 (language tree and linguistic classification of the Semitic languages, Arabic and Phoenician are here separate) www.academia.edu/37145037/The_Subgrouping_of_the_Semitic_Languages The Semitic Languages - 2nd Edition By John Huehnergard, Na'ama Pat-El, 2019 Page 403-432 (Levantine Arabic) The Cambridge Handbook of African Linguistics By H. Ekkehard Wolff, 2019 Page 262 (language tree and linguistic classification of the Semitic languages, Arabic and Phoenician are here also separate) Versteegh about Proto-Neo-Arabic: "The heterogeneous nature of the transmission process, the involvement of different chronological layers, and the persisting contacts with the Peninsula in some areas all conspire to shake the foundations of any reconstruction of Proto-New-Arabic." -Kees Versteegh, page 244 From: A linguistic history of Arabic (review) By Kees Versteegh, 2010 www.researchgate.net/publication/261904421_A_linguistic_history_of_Arabic_by_Jonathan_Owens Why "Levantine" is Arabic, not Aramaic: By Lamee Souag (a linguist) lughat.blogspot.com/2014/09/why-levantine-is-arabic-not-aramaic.html lughat.blogspot.nl/2014/09/why-levantine-is-arabic-not-aramaic_8.html lughat.blogspot.nl/2014/09/why-levantine-is-arabic-not-aramaic_11.html lughat.blogspot.nl/2014/09/on-finding-sources-of-shared-items-or.html lughat.blogspot.com/2018/01/taleb-unintentionally-proves-lebanese.html
Of COURSE the Carthaginians practiced child sacrifice. This doc does mention the sheer NUMBER of infant bones & Stieles found in Carthaginian burial grounds-far, far more than would ever have naturally died…. I just love these historians who adopt one “civilization” as their life’s work-they almost always lose perspective & skepticism, while falling in love with their subjects….
Bones are not a definitive answer that sacrifice did happen. Although I liked the 2nd paragraph you wrote, I tend to believe that we can't be sure if phoenicians/carthaginians did child sacrifice or not
In my country, Morocco, 13 cities were built by the Phoenicians. Lixus in Larache are the ruins of a large city older than Carthage, 8th century BC. Only 15% has been dug up. These cities were Phoenician at first, then they became under the domination of Carthage
@@aiurea1 the Arabic language is only the simplest language among the ancient Semitic languages. it's like a standard. The English language shouldn't have been the same 200 years ago, and yet it's only 200 years old.
@@aiurea1 200 years about our times. I wanted to make you understand that the languages are no longer quite the same over a short period of 200 years. so imagine periods of thousands of years. I am North African, and if you want to translate the writings on stelae, you must know Arabic and Libyan Berber. These languages are Semitic but they are different. Thousands of years ago and yet they are cousins
The Levant HAD no influence on Carthage,THERE WAS NEVER ANY LEBANESE LANGUAGE OR CULTURE IN AFRICA. ALL ANCIENT AFRICANS WERE BLACK AND BROWN PEOPLE OF THEIR NATIVE LANDS. Ancient Lebanese were Egyptians
I wonder if any of the Carthaginian settlements in West Africa survived. And maybe Carthaginian influence was partially responsible for the Bantu expansion?
Great video! You have honored the Lebanese people, Phoenicians, the founders, and ancestors of Carthage! Great job on showing the influence and legacy of our tiny nation.
@@get.factual HANNOBAAL WAS NOT ALBINO OR NEANDERTHAL. THEY WERE TALL BLACKISH NEGROIDS. This vid is fertilizer for raceism. The MIS’COMPLEXIONISM in this video is pathetic, so ii just listened to the audio.
The Latin Alphabet is still roman, it comes from the Greeks and greek comes from pheonician... if you write in pheonician you arent able to read much. What is taken from the phoenicians is mostly the idea that sounds can be turned into letters.
Near East?? What Near East? You called out Homer for using 'Phoenicians' and then get someone to call the Carthaginians from the "Near East' as 'imperialist'...hah
Can’t take my eyes off this steely eyed historian dude. Prof. Richard Miles , University of Sydney. If he has students, I bet they’re never late for his class.
Nonsense....Miles is a politically correct ideologue who couchs history in terms of modern history/attitudes....a fatal error....since efforts are made to change history to conform.....this reeks of Marxism.... A capable modern leader would have Miles strapped to a rack just to be on the safe side......
I thought the narrator said a homo called them Phoenicians at 1:43 ... took me a second to register it was Homerus. The subtitles thought it was homo too. Edit: absolutely love this channel! I'm watching an entire history episode every day before bed. THANK YOU Get.factual
Does anyone know what he means at 26:15 when he says that ships were seen as living creatures? He doesn’t mean people actually thought ships were actually alive and therefore animals right? That would honestly surprise me
Philosophically. The same kind of care and consideration you would give a working animal, you might give a ship. They are brand new in the world, they may need maintenance, they age and become less capable, and finally there comes a time when they must return to the earth. If your civilization depends on ocean going vessels, then you'll have a high regard for them to the point of even divine influence.
unfortunately, all information about Carthage, etc., comes from their enemies. Sorry, much of this, including the gods and child sacrifice, is not verified
Great documentary except for the dialogues being in modern Arabic... Carthage (modern day Tunisia) was arabized in the 7th century AD which makes it impossible for Carthaginians to be speaking Arabic at the time of Hanno, Hannibal, etc.
*Phonecians absolutely did sail to Ireland, England, and the now USA, with "artifacts and Phonecian writings", etched in stone in several locations.* (Tin) + other resources. Excellent "Authentic Academic" Documentary, rather than "Mainstream Academic". Appreciate this so. PS: I like Escargot.
It doesn't make sense for the story of the pupp picking up the snail and his mouth turned purple because of every thing else that has to be added to it? the
Regarding child sacrifice, the Jews, the Greeks and the Romans who lived at the same time said they sacrificed their children. Dr Moncef Ben Moussa of the modern world, couldn't be. 🙄
It's so mysterious, all those events and glories appeared to happen in the lands of the Berbers , yet there has been no mention of any sort for their contribution or any roles they may have played.if it was not of the Numidians, the history would have taken another trajectory and shape. The Noble Nation AMAZIGHS. Miraculously, it happens to be again, the Barbarie in the same land will be the masters and Lords of the Mediterranean sea once more for two centuries from 1596 to 1830 .
@CARTHAGE TUNISIA HANNIBAL who were the Berbers in you opinion then? The carthagenien were originally of canaanites descents who came from the East cost of the Mediterranean, they might be in couple or fewer thousands. Certainly they wouldn't be able to occupy whole of north Africa and all the Med islands sicily, sardegna and bellaric islands and cost of Spain ..etc .
The alphabet is Hebrew. To not show this origin is conspiratorial. Paleo Hebrew is the source of our writing style and the original tonal pronunciation of letters. YHWH IS BLESSED
@@ahmedelakrab I don’t think we need to redefine anything as this is a very very old concept that goes back to the beginning of time. Being pedantic won’t change history. Are you aware of what the “valley of the shadow of death” meant when referenced in Psalm 23? I’m not a Bible beater… but when you notice patterns of behavior in history it starts to all make sense.
Recently, it was proven that Carthage was a local empire established by the North African people. According to Wells Spencer's genetic study of Tunisia, he found that the DNA of present-day Tunisians is the same as that of the Carthaginians, with 88% being of North African origin. Only 12% of the Tunisian population has roots from other regions. Additionally, his genetic study of Lebanon revealed that 11% of Lebanese people have North African DNA, indicating that the migration was from Carthage to Lebanon, not the other way around.
@@Kain-h8e Don't accuse me! History has always been written by the winners, and there are many mistakes and ideological biases behind it. We never have 100% truth in history. I wrote and stated that Carthage was built by North African people, as this is the latest update from historians and scientists. They have never found proof that Carthage was built by the Phoenicians. According to Spencer Wells, he found that the skulls of the Carthaginians match those of modern Tunisians, and his DNA study shows that 88% of Tunisians are of Carthaginian descent. Before Carthage, Tunisia had three main cultures and civilizations: the Capsian culture, which existed between 7,000 and 12,000 years ago, followed by the Aterian culture, and then the Acheulean. The Carthaginians were simply a continuation of these populations. Carthage was never a Phoenician colony. The story of Alyssa is a myth, a false narrative created by the Romans to diminish the Carthaginian Empire, implying that "the empire was built by a woman!" Similar myths exist about Rome, such as the legend of Romulus and Remus, the twin brothers raised by a she-wolf. In truth, Carthage was built by the local North Africans, as supported by DNA evidence. I hope this is clear!
@@bethbartlett5692 the purple came from shell fish not the actual people. Minoans discovered how to make it . Pheonetians inherited and spread the knowledge and it was no longer unique.
@@crackin2000 I understand, my point is both knew the process of extracting the purple dye. A shared knowledge, because the are the same Peoples. The Phonecians are also known as the Carthagenans, the Punics, and some believe the Minonians were either Phonecians too or influenced by them. Confusion comes with the varied references to them, via Greeks, Romans, etc. DNA Mapping of migrations has helped this get clarity.
*"DNA Clarifies so much, I so appreciate this, I so appreciate Facts."* *The Phonecians, "the World's Seafarers".* Basque, Phonecian/Sardinian, Anatolian = my Irish DNA.
Please stop pushing the 'mercenaries' libel. Carthaginians relied on NATIVE allies. LIKE EVERY OTHER EMPIRE. For some reason, no one calls them mercenaries for Rome. I am seeing more people exaggerate and push this wording 'mercenaries' more and more and it is becoming something of a meme in classic history studies circles. STOP IT
you got it wrong mate. In fact phoenician alphabet is the origin, right. But you are jumping from one era to another. Even if the Carthaginian are originated from Tyre, populated by the phoenician...there is a large gap of time between these two periods. So to answer your second question, the romans had an alphabet...to make it simple, and also the etruscan, which were on the paeninsula italica.
@@sun_land i know, this is why i ask, in the doc the guy said the ph alphabet is the origin of all western a. He did not say nothing from this time period to this time period
Absolute nonsense. They were not the first to build ocean going vessels. Thousands of years before them, reed ships were sailing the Oceans and trading internationally. Plank ships were copies of these reed ships.
Wrong the YAWAN, TIRACIAN, TUBAL, LUD, PELEGES, MAGAN, MEZRAIM people's sailed the Mediterranean 4200-1183bc way before any CANAAN peoples. THATS A FACT!
Phoenicians truly R d missing link of human history... In relevance with not only trade but also, modern global languages,art, architecture,war tactics, technology as well as d sense of adventure and patriotism.....and all of that in a friendly business manner unless in d position of self defense..... check out Baalbek and d port cities in Lebanon,,Byblos tyre...some impossible stone work yet existing in plain sight...
Arab is from the Arabic penninsula. Both from the semitic family but unable to understand each other. Arabs in the Levant came thousands of years later.
